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A&G's AIG Moment Approaching: Moody's Downgrades Generali, Cuts Megainsurer Allianz Outlook To Negative

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For a while now we have said that the very weakest link in Europe is not the banks, not the ECB, not triggered CDS, and not even the shadow banking system (well, infinitely rehypothecated Greek bonds within a daisychain of broker-dealers, which ultimately ends up at the ECB at a negligible repo discount, that could well be the weakest link - we will have more to say about this over the weekend) but two very specific insurers: Italy's mega insurer Assecurazioni Generali, which at last check had more Greek bonds as a % of TSF than anyone else, and Europe's biggest insurer and Pimco parent, Allianz, which is filled to the gills with pretty much everything (for more on Generali, or as we like to call it by its CDS ticker ASSGEN read here, here, here, and here). Well, Moody's just gave them, and the entire European space, the evil eye, and soon the layering of margin calls upon margin calls, especially if and when Greece defaults and a third of ASSGEN's balance sheet is found to be insolvent, will make anyone who still is long CDS those two names rich. Assuming of course the Fed steps in and bails out the counterparty the CDS was purchased from.

Here is the only chart one needs to know why ASSGEN will likely not be writing life insurance on itself (source):

ASSGEN's exposure to other PIIGS is far more hair-raising:

Generali’s main risk exposure to sovereign debt outside of Italy include Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Spain. The sovereign bonds are valued at market (accounted as Available For Sale). In aggregate, Generali has €12bn of gross exposure to troubled sovereign debt (excl Italy) and €2.1bn of net exposure (post tax and policyholder participation) accounting for c.14% of TNAV. We have assumed in our analysis that Generali would be able to share the impact of any potential impairments on its sovereign and financial (eg bank) exposures with policyholders given the decline in the minimum guarantees we have seen over the past few years (avg guarantee 2.3% in 2010). In practice the actual allocation will depend on the location of the bonds, the local country profit sharing rules and the level of buffer capital available in those entities (such as the free RfB buffer in Germany).

 

The Greek exposure is €3.0bn on a gross basis (per year end 2010) and €500m after policyholder participation and tax (based on amortized cost). This accounts for 20% and 3% of 2011e tangible book value on a gross and net basis respectively. We estimate Greek bonds will be valued at an estimated c50% of par based on a 6 year duration at end of 2011 Q2 with an estimated €160m unrealized loss included in shareholders’ equity after policyholder participation and tax. Should the debt rollover discussions be judged a credit event by either the rating agencies or auditors, we estimate that a €160m impairment would be realized through the P&L - assuming the haircut is in line with the market value of the bond. The overall impact on shareholders’ equity would be neutral (as it is already included).

 

Only if there is an additional haircut on the sovereign exposure that shareholders’ equity would be affected by additional impairments. In solvency terms, Generali includes unrealized gains and losses in its Solvency I and Solvency II calculations and the impairment of Greek debt should already be largely incorporated in our Q2  shareholders’ equity assumptions. Aggregating the main sovereign credit risk exposures outside Italy we estimate this factors in an unrealized loss of €3.2bn gross and €343m net unrealized losses in shareholders’ equity per end of 2011Q2 (see table below). The gap between the gross and net is material but is equivalent to 74bp of traditional life technical reserves. Substantially higher gross losses than those described below might belong more to shareholders than policyholders.

 

Overall, a write down in line with current marks on the Greek sovereign debt exposure will not have any incremental impact on the solvency ratio of the group as the debt is already included at market value. However, further swings in the value of sovereign debt, Spanish and Italian in particular will continue to affect TNAV and solvency until the situation stabilizes.

And here is ASSGEN's Tangible Common Equity ratio: 1.25x. Oops

Allianz is far more prepared for a collapse in the bond marke at 4.75

From Moody's:

Moody's Investors Service has today announced the following actions on nine European insurance groups and related entities, to reflect (i) increased financial risks stemming from their operating and investment exposure to weakened European sovereigns and banks, as well as (ii) Moody's expectations of continued weak economic growth in certain of their key markets.

 

The following rating actions were announced:

 

Rating downgrades related to investment and operating exposures in Spain and Italy:

- Unipol Assicurazioni S.p.A.: Insurance Financial Strength Rating (IFSR) downgraded to A3 from A2 and remains on review for downgrade

- Mapfre Global Risks: IFSR downgraded to A2 from Aa3, negative outlook; Mapfre Asistencia : IFSR downgraded to A3 from A1, negative outlook)

- Caser S.A.: IFSR downgraded to Baa1 from A3 and placed on review for further downgrade

- Assicurazioni Generali S.p.A. and subsidiaries: IFSR downgraded to A1 from Aa3, negative outlook

- Allianz S.p.A.: IFSR downgraded to A1 from Aa3, negative outlook

 

Changes in rating outlook due to weakened economic conditions and outlook for key Euro-area markets:

- Allianz SE and subsidiaries: IFSR Aa3 affirmed, outlook changed to negative from stable

- AXA SA and subsidiaries : IFSR Aa3 affirmed, outlook changed to negative from stable; AXA Bank Europe : A2 senior debt affirmed, negative outlook

- Aviva Plc and subsidiaries: IFSR Aa3 affirmed, outlook changed to negative from stable

 

Initiation of reviews for possible downgrade of insurers affiliated with banks now subject to rating review:

- Scottish Widows Plc and Clerical Medical Plc: A1 IFSR and Baa1 hybrid securities on review for possible downgrade

- SNS Reaal N.V (Baa2 senior debts and see list below) and insurance operations (SRLEV / REAAL Schadeverzekeringen A3 IFSR): review for possible downgrade

And the two companies specifically:

ASSICURAZIONI GENERALI: IFSR of Assicurazioni Generali and subsidiaries (see list) downgraded by one notch to A1, negative outlook

 

The IFSR of Assicurazioni Generali (Generali) and subsidiaries (see list) has been downgraded by one notch to A1, negative outlook, following the downgrade of the Italian sovereign rating to A3, negative outlook. Moody's said that the downgrade of Generali reflects the insurer's direct exposure to Italian sovereign risk in terms of both investment portfolio and business profile. As at Q3 2011 Italian government bonds represented around 20% (EUR52 billion) of Generali's total fixed income portfolio, and 27% of its GWP were sourced in Italy in the first nine months of 2011.

 

Nonetheless, Moody's continues to rate Generali's IFSR two notches above the Italian sovereign rating, reflecting the insurer's broad diversification and flexible product characteristics which serve to insulate the company somewhat from stress related to the sovereign. Generali's non-Italian businesses accounted for over 70% of GWP in the first nine months of 2011 and Moody's believes that the risk sharing mechanism of the insurer's Italian life insurance products materially mitigates the exposure to Italian sovereign debt. This mechanism offers a relatively high ability to share losses with policyholders by reducing credited returns, given the current large spread between investments returns and average guarantees. For Generali's Italian operations this spread was, on average, 1.9% and 2.3% respectively on Italian traditional products with yearly and maturity guarantees.

 

Generali's negative outlook mirrors the negative outlook on Italy's government bond rating and reflects the uncertainties around the economic and financial environment in Italy. Given the negative outlook, Moody's said that the following factors could prompt a downgrade of Generali (i) a further downgrade of Italy's sovereign rating; (ii) a material deterioration of solvency and operating performance of the group; and/or (iii) a material deterioration of the financial flexibility of the group, for example if financial leverage exceeds 35% on a long-term basis.

 

- ALLIANZ SPA: IFSR downgraded to A1 from Aa3, negative outlook

 

The IFSR of Allianz S.p.A. (Allianz Italy), which is fully owned by Allianz SE, has been downgraded by one notch to A1, negative outlook following the downgrade of the Italian sovereign to A3, negative outlook. Moody's said that the downgrade of Allianz Italy reflects the insurer's direct exposure to Italian sovereign risk in terms of both investment portfolio and business profile. Italian government bonds represented around 60% of Allianz Italy's total fixed income portfolio, and 100% of its GWP were sourced in Italy in the first nine months of 2011. Nonetheless Moody's continues to rate Allianz Italy's IFSR two notches above the Italian sovereign rating reflecting the parental support of the group. Allianz Italy is the second-largest operation outside Germany for Allianz SE and consistently one of the largest contributors in terms of premiums and operating profit.

 

Allianz Italy's negative outlook mirrors both the negative outlook of Italy's A3 government bond rating and of the parent company, Allianz SE. Given the negative outlook on Allianz Italy, Moody's said that the following factors could prompt a downgrade of Allianz Italy; (i) a downgrade of Italy's sovereign rating; (ii) a downgrade of Allianz SE or a change in the status of the company within the German group; and/or (iii) a material deterioration in the stand-alone solvency, earnings, operating performance or capitalisation levels.

 

- ALLIANZ SE: Allianz SE and subsidiaries (IFSRs at Aa3 and see list) affirmed; outlook to negative from stable

 

The affirmation of Allianz's ratings (Aa3 IFSR and see ratings list) reflects the group's strong business profile, supported by an excellent geographic and business diversification, and strong financial profile, with good capitalisation, financial flexibility and excellent profitability. Moody's believes that the deterioration in sovereign credit quality has had a limited direct impact on Allianz' financial strength at this stage, given the Group's limited exposures to the most troubled countries in the Euro area.

 

Nonetheless, the change in outlook to negative from stable reflects the increased risk of deterioration in Allianz's asset quality, capital adequacy, profitability and financial flexibility given the weak economic environment evident in many of its operational markets.

 

Moody's notes that Allianz has a significant exposure to Italian government bonds (around 60% of shareholders' equity excluding minorities as of 30 September 2011). Moreover, the group maintains a high concentration risk to financial institutions more broadly (36% of the investment portfolio, excluding derivatives), especially to the German banking sector, although this includes a very high portion of covered bonds (23% of the investment portfolio). Moody's believes that the risk of deterioration in the quality of Allianz's investments has increased as evidenced by the negative outlook on Italian and other sovereign ratings, and the pressures on banks' credit quality resulting from deterioration in sovereigns' credit quality.

 

Furthermore, Allianz has material businesses within several weaker economies in the Eurozone, where the risk of deterioration in profitability is the highest. Notably, Allianz generates around 10% of its earnings and revenues from its Italian operations. Moody's added that any deterioration in profitability from these markets would add to the constraints on the group's revenues resulting from the expected low economic growth across Europe, and to the structural challenges Allianz faces in its domestic market, both in the very competitive P&C segment (Allianz reported a combined ratio of 104% in the first nine months of 2011 in Germany) and in the German life segment, with its inherent exposure to a prolonged low interest rate environment (Allianz' German life in-force guarantees were 3.3% on average at year-end 2010). Moody's notes that constrained profitability would also constrain the group's financial flexibility, through reduced fixed charge coverage.

 

Commenting on what could change the rating down, Moody's mentioned a significant deterioration of European sovereigns' credit quality, especially Italy, or some moderate deterioration coupled with a deterioration in group profitability. A permanent rise in financial leverage beyond the mid-thirties, or a deterioration in stand-alone credit fundamentals of main operating entities would also place pressures on Allianz SE's ratings.

Don't worry though, those who don't understand jack shit will tell you it is all contained. But please ask them why - and ask them why Lehman wasn't when everyone said it too was.

 


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Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:04 | Link to Comment binky
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Assgen -- that one is too hot to touch.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:16 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Cheeky

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment lineskis
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What does TSF stand for?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Ancona
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Those Stupid Fuckers!

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 01:10 | Link to Comment Coldfire
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That's So Funny.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 03:58 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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twelve step facilitation.  seriously what does it stand for?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:18 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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dear god let's already downgrade the entire planet (minus AAPL or maybe no just yet) and get this charade over with!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:21 | Link to Comment withnmeans
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Moody's News, They may down grade 17 Major Bank to be announced......

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment withnmeans
Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:28 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Your exactly right, and everybody knows it.  Everyone is getting ready for the Greece blowout and are hoping that it doesn't go to far.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:08 | Link to Comment Withdrawn Sanction
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"Insurance is gambling." --Ned Flanders

(So what is CDS writing at multiples of the underlying?)

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:17 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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that's called grand financial fuckery a la derivatives to the Nth.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:11 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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ASSGEN - The equivalent of nuclear tipped dominos.

 

My Chaos Theory economics model I spoke of the other night is gaining relevancy the more I read ZH.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:14 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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Hmmm, in fact, I seem to remember "Insurance" being the letter "i" in Reggie's F.I.R.E. model.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:59 | Link to Comment Vampyroteuthis ...
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I like to extend F.I.R.E. economy to the F.I.R.E.M.M economy. Financial, Insurance, real estate, medical and military.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 00:34 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Hmm, just two more landmines in the field of tap-dancing Banksters...move along.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment AUD
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Allianz, which is filled to the gills with pretty much everything

By everything I assume you mean garbage.

Assuming of course the Fed steps in and bails out the counterparty the CDS was purchased from.

How will the Fed do this? Re. your post of a few days ago - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-charting-federal-reserves-asset...

The Fed IS the junk bond king. It's the "toast of Wall Street, having cookies with Milken & whiskey with Boesky."

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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The Fed can do about anything they want ... it's the unintended consequences are what they can't control.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment Mutatto
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Will this make AAPL go up, or down?  That's all I need to know.....

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:21 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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I don't know much about Assgen but I know Allianz is a whale. It is everywhere, in everything. It would be an AIG event which would have to end up in an AIG type bailout.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:22 | Link to Comment Convolved Man
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Greek bonds -- magnetically attached to the underbellies of all holders.  Someone's dialing the destruction code...

0  0   3  0   2  1  ...

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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So the corporation that is manically leveraged with debt from a State sure to default is put on downgrade watch negative, and that is all?

The rating agencies suck ass.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:30 | Link to Comment AC_Doctor
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Binky Ben is going to fight this one to the death.  Gold we be the adversary that bends Ben over the barrel for multiple deep penetrations that will lead to his demise.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:27 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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The ratings agencies are screwed. Either they set off the biggest crash in history by honestly evaluating these institutions or they spend their days getting labeled useless and ignorant and stupid for not doing so.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 I guess those credit spreads are seeping through the " card board" Tables they were sold on Tyler! Nice work as usual.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:31 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Seems like all these ratings firms downgrade near or at the exact low.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:48 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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who are these companies anyways???? i've never heard of them....how important can anything be that i haven't heard of...know what i mean!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Let me guess: you are mentally disabled.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 04:04 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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touche.  and veteran of what one may wonder (could be sarc).

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Dugald
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Be blissful in your ignorance.......t'would be folly to wise you up

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 00:30 | Link to Comment trebuchet
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LOL not this time, they have undergraded if anything.

 

ZH making a good call and in  depth coverage. 

 

AND from what i can see there is NO MARK TO UNICORN 70% haircut in those downgrades........  coz these guys are stuffed to thir gills ( TYLER brilliant language :))  with PSI fallout as well 

 

someone did just dial the destruct code..... 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:36 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Anyone on here own anything Japan related? Is it a valid thought that if they are going to do QE and bring down the yen their market (which seems to be up every day) may run a long way?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Raisuli
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I own nothing Japanese. Your question is valid to me. I think you may be onto something.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:51 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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i don't but my folks own Japanese cars. PHUCKING AWESOME SHIT, MAN. I bought American and its been wrapped around me like an Albatross ever since...

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:44 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Yes and Yes. Japan did a JGB repurchase a couple days ago. Kampo has been selling yen against the crosses over the last couple of weeks. The exporters (Japanese), are a tough nut to crack. Japan is also involved in overseas investments to take pressure off of the yen. Look for T-10's (USD) to cross 2.15% BEFORE YOU GET INTERESTED.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:52 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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I am a novice at this. Is it smarter/safer to play through equities (EWJ, TM, JBL etc.) or through something like YCS? Or neither? Whats the vehicle?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:06 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 SYD or LNS       Tyler will send ya a monorail full of ( E) tickets.

 side lines! Keep your cash in your pockets! Got it?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:36 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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Like the ticker- ASSGEN, thought it was reserved for Bernanke

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:11 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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I think the Bernank's ticker is FUKNUT....

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:38 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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again...let me reiterate "the containment strategy":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skGQ0fVx75o&feature=player_detailpage
so let me again reiterate why the Tylers...while absolutely right in the details...will still "get it wrong in the finale":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IatwoA00E0&feature=player_detailpage

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Besides real events vs hollywood, I noticed no beards in the 1st video.  An insignificant fashion detail.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:16 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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Pogues always make you shave for photo ops....

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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You made my day! +1

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment chump666
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Cue the FED on this, I'd say the ECB is 100% aware and is waiting in the background to bailout the European insures/banks/everything.  This event will be out next bear market, depending on the severity, the manics at the central banks will print into oblivion.   Till then, this could really blowout the inter-market funding Lehman style and beyond.  Should take Asia out re: China and it's exposure to European banks, which should take out Europe further as China/Asia suck HUGE amounts of money out of the EZ, thus taking out the global money markets further and collapsing the oversupplied bond/insurance markets etc.

The ECB will take a huge hit. They print on auto-pilot and the EUR sells off and oil goes bid and finally Germany goes bananas Weimar style paranoia.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment chump666
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...I think Asia will dump Europe.  Hard.  Instead they will add UST's and USDs, sans equities being slaughtered

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:02 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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I agreed with your first idea but you think that Asia will dump Europe and run to the USD? They get hit by a bus, miraculously walk away from it and then stand on the train tracks?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:15 | Link to Comment chump666
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I do.  Because Asian banks will cut exposure to Europe.  Who on earth would touch Euro bonds?  Asia may wake up to this and start to cut Europe completely.  The banking crisis in Europe is a lot worst than US one in 2008.  All Europe has left now is the verbal vomit ramp jobs.  The market now is seeing through that as it profit takes into Feb, so hence the largish sell last session.  So, yeah, Asia will dump Europe.  Everyone will.  As for the USD, the whole world (private companies) uses USD's (even Iran) to trade with.  USD buying will go into overdrive in 2012.

I think we are in big trouble.  Oil is still bid, USD bids coming in and Europe falls apart, China problems. Not looking good.  Still, ranges are sliding down, and volatility will pick up, so swing trade, short tops etc

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Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:19 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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So, you've missed all the articles lately about bilateral trade agreements, oil for gold/commodities, and Russia and China dumping USTs?

 

Or did I just dream them up?

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 00:20 | Link to Comment chump666
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Gold will take hit.  'Cause this market is about to panic.  Ok, if it liquidates you'll see gold hammered, if it goes risk averse, gold will be a good safe haven.  I am kinda leaning towards a total liquidation like in Aug 2011.  As far as China and Russia, they talk a lot, mostly sh*t.  I don't follow governments and their rhetoric because it's just noise.  Follow the money.  Russia needs a weak USD so that their oil and gas look tasty, as for China, they are clueless investors shooting their mouths off daily when most of their businesses are dumping the YUAN (inflation) and buying USDs.  Hell, even if Israel bomb Iran tomorrow the Iranians will buy up USDs, and since Obama is clueless and attacked Iran's currency, the Iranians (hedging also against inflation) are buying USDs anyway.

For me, gold is the best buy for the endgame.  I don't think we are going to hit hyper-inflation, but we got inflation.  But I do think we are going to hit chaos/war/turmoil/doomsday.  Most assets have a dodgy value attached, gold doesn't.  But I trade in the markets and accumulate physical where I can.  Best long term asset in todays market madness.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 00:23 | Link to Comment chump666
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But...what will freak out the UST/USD market will be social turmoil in the states.  The S&P downgrade last yr, causing the liquidation trade, only made USTs bid.  So i wouldn't bet on a downgrade causing a major USD sell off.

Social chaos should do the trick, any major riots, incidents will effect the UST market IMO

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 01:32 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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I think I see your point through the eyes of a trader, and what should rationally happen.

USD is the best horse in the glue factory with EURoDisney in the headlines, and the ME and Whitney Houston drawing off the attention of those that can't or won't look at the big picture.

As for social chaos, think about this:  The only thing backing any currency in current circulation is the full faith and credit of the issuing entity.

The problem with that, is that it cuts both ways.  It won't take long for the demise of fiat currency when the faith in the currency is lost.  Then the stampede begins, and you better hope you aren't in a major population area.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 01:42 | Link to Comment chump666
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I agree. 

But I live in the city, have to take my chances here :)

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 00:21 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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Miniscule compared to the amount of leveraged dollars out there.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:20 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Fair enough...but big picture...why not buy land, equity stakes in legitimate companies with intellectual property....crap like that...why hide in paper again?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:04 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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I think Asia is due for a continued correction Chump. The dxy is up in Asia as we speak. Where are the 102 WTI rinse wash M/E sovereign funds ?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment chump666
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I agree.  Oil price must be sweating them over there.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment chump666
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Hey Yen, did you see the AUD?  Crazy.  Meltup on employment numbers squeezed a ton of shorts, then it got crunched.  Bizarre panicky trading.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:55 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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I see all Chump. Look at the RBA statement. It was just recovery on the PART TIME LABOR STATISTICS. Here is the link  http://www.rba.gov.au/

  Regarding the Cushing /Brent spread.  It has tightened. Less than 8 usd. The market is compressing. Listen to Tyler!  ALL Freaking 80 of them! / sarc  Crude is sitting on rusting ships, AKA contango! Forward contracts expired/ over mutli forward contracts.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment dr.charlemagne
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Let me guess, GOLDMAN is long the right CDS here, but helped to sell the debt

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:11 | Link to Comment YesWeKahn
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the FED is the phu cking insurer of the last resort.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:16 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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LOOK STRAIGHT UP> YES STRAIGHT UP l ...  Can you say ( AIG)?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Allianz = PIMCO

"Rubber Lips" El-Erian now has to do a dog and pony show.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment AC_Doctor
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Holy fuck, I green arrowed the RoboRoach!  Don't piss all over PIMPCO yet, because they are LONG gold...

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:59 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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If PIMCO was smart they would be short " CRUDE FUTURES", and purchase 1/2 of AMR on the bailout clause over 2 years, and resell the shares to the " Employees".

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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PIMPCO is long GLD.  It's paper.  Get a grip, Doctor.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 02:05 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Long ( gld) as of yesterday! I'll go head to head with you! Just a warning1 I'm Republican!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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AIG created the whole mess - an insurance company that fucked the United States and was bailed out as a immaculate surrogate mother of its, adopted-for-profit TBTF's orphanage!  

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 00:24 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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Bailed out so that Goldman could be paid.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Read  TOO  BIG TO FAIL  pages 351-360 and see the cast of Goldman plus Goldman alumni such as J C Flowers, Paul Achleitner of Allianz, Peter Krause of Morgan, Hank Paulson of US Treasury, Jester etc.......Goldman comes in many wrappers

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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"Assuming of course the Fed steps in and bails out the counterparty the CDS was purchased from."

Pretty safe assumption.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 14:47 | Link to Comment NoClueSneaker
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... any chance some cruise missiles find their way to the 200 West Street ?

( Any other solution gives  dear Lloyd a chance to mount the chopper ) ....

 

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