Ahead Of The Curve: Goldman Cuts Dexia From Buy To Neutral On Imminent Restructuring And Winddown

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Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:20 | 1740914 williambanzai7
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How could this have been on buy and how could it now be neutral?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:24 | 1740946 covert
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there is excessive pessimism in the market



Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:49 | 1741065 SheepDog-One
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No Covert I'd say the market is still full of Hindu-calm 401K and pension bulls who are in full denial of the reality of what is about to happen to them, whacky on the head with a mallet and carved up into steaks. 

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:27 | 1740960 Market Efficien...
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Goldman, the great LIEgetimizer. Its their business model:

1) Create possible market friction (fake Greek books with SWAPs)

2) Listen to positioning of client companies in the surrounding market

3) Synthesize three trading strategies from it, one for Goldman, one for prime clients and one for the masses.

4) Watch the strategy unfold.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:27 | 1740964 kaiserhoff
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Just a theory, but I think it's because Goldman always sucks the hind tit;)

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:28 | 1740966 GeneMarchbanks
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Simple, Goldman has shares to sell you, hence it is a buy.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:37 | 1741018 RemiG2010
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Wouldn't have said it better! +1

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:31 | 1740990 Paralympic Equity
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It is on Neutral now maybe because there is no BID?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:39 | 1741017 Hmm...
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Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:39 | 1741024 Hmm...
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How could this have been on buy

Careful deliberation, I'm sure.

how could it now be neutral?

Remember, there is no such thing as "sell".

"neutral" means sell.
Buy either means buy, or it means that the analyst was paid a lot to say buy when they meant neutral. 

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:51 | 1741059 vast-dom
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In same manner i may advise you that that steamy hot nutty mass of diarrhea is a buy. All you have to do is get past the stench and yes allow me to now re-revise that to a STRONG BUY.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:54 | 1741319 Greyhat
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"How could this have been on buy and how could it now be neutral?"

Dexia holds 59 Billion € in US Papers and only 4 Bn. € in Greec bonds, so the Bernank will pay, who else?

Is that neutral enough? ;)

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:24 | 1741740 Zero Debt
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Because GS has stopped doing the opposite?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:22 | 1740922 buzzsaw99
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always buy on sell recommendations and sell on buy recommendations.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:27 | 1740963 Village Smithy
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You don't have to be ahead of the curve when you own the curve.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:28 | 1740969 Mitch Comestein
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Kind of reminds me of 2001 when the analysts downgraded groups of dot-coms when they had already drop over 98%.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:44 | 1741037 kaiserhoff
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Dick Bove says all banks are just peachy-keen.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:45 | 1741039 SheepDog-One
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And the classic Enron....finally downgraded from 'strong buy' after it went below $2 and declared bankruptcy.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:30 | 1740975 DormRoom
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Dexia: patient 0.


Soon the contagion will swamp the resources available, and spread across global links.  the new normal is a misnomer.  The old normal was boom-bust.  We return there--to the patterns of economic history.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:30 | 1740980 Alienated Serf
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Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:30 | 1740982 Josh Randall
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The Squid's new motto should be, Govt. Sachs: "We're Bullish on insolvency..."

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:32 | 1740992 Caviar Emptor
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Tyler: the same mechanism you described for Dexia should be operational in other places wherever toxic cesspools are found. The sovereign issues aren't going away, they're getting worse with each turn of the screw as debt and credibility issues take their toll, compounded now by decreasing tax revenues and social/political crises. 

Denmark just elected a socialist prime minister. 

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:45 | 1741050 snowball777
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But in bizarro world a socialist P Min is bullish for bailing, no? (consider the greens etc in Germany)

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:32 | 1740993 Dick Darlington
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10-05 9:18: Belgian finance minister says debt guarantees will not hurt Belgium... Baghdad Bob reincarnation saying all our waffels are good.
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:40 | 1741029 Alienated Serf
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Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:41 | 1741032 SheepDog-One
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Tanks? What tanks in the streets? Clearly you can see no tanks in the street behind me....oh wait.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:45 | 1741048 Caviar Emptor
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Larry Kudlow:

If  and  ringfence and guarantee bank liabilities as they did in 2008, then stocks may be headed for big relief rally

hehe. But who will ringfence the bankrupt sovereigns????

Now playing at a circus near you: increasing liabilities, declining tax revenues, rising unemployment and social unrest. Should be an excellent spectacle! 

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:47 | 1741057 snowball777
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All in favor of sending Kudlow to Fukushima for a live report say aye.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:52 | 1741079 buzzsaw99
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radiation doesn't harm fossils.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:53 | 1741083 marcusfenix
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sadly, anywhere in Japan would suffice...

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:05 | 1741124 Kina
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Gotta love a circle jerk of bankrupts guaranteeing each other. LoL


Notice how the only important thing is stocks. The globe is bankrupt but nobody has quite told the stock market yet, they still want to walk on water.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:40 | 1741266 riley martini
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Kudlow is all for socialism and wellfare when it primarly benefits his fascist masters . Free money is only good for those fascist insiders who make bad bets .

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:49 | 1741064 monopoly
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"Ahead of the curve", ya gotta luv it. :))))

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:57 | 1741101 topcallingtroll
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We always knew that bank lending and consumer spending were pro cyclical.

I never realized that rating agencies and forecasters were pro cyclical too.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:58 | 1741104 swissaustrian
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Go long when they downgrade Dexia to sell...

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:05 | 1741118 Waterfallsparkles
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Goldman seems to single handily trying to destroy the Stock Market.

Yesterday, downgrading Copper, downgrading the economy.

Do not tell me that Moodies Downgrading Italy wasn't instigated by Goldman.

And now Dexia?

Way to go Goldman.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:04 | 1741120 I am a Man I am...
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God, it would be awesome to have a job where you never have to be right.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:07 | 1741134 Kina
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If you are a bankster you get paid millions for being perpetually wrong.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:09 | 1741140 lemarche
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From Buy to Neutral???!!! What a f* joke !!! Yeah they had a buy recommendation on BNP as well with a target at 70eur during the summer... somehow I was skeptic... (lol) and shorted the stock but many poor long folks found relief in GS research and lost quite a lot of money waiting for the "rebound"... (while GS prop desk was probably heavily shorting the stock). A f* joke...

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:10 | 1741143 theprofromdover
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You mean the hyenas will rob the carcasss of whatever goodness it has, for rip-off prices?

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