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Aircraft Carrier CVN-77 Parks Next Door To Syria Just As US Urges Americans To Leave Country "Immediately"

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Yesterday we reported that the Arab League (with European and US support) are preparing to institute a no fly zone over Syria. Today, we get an escalation which confirms we may be on the edge. Just out from CBS: "The U.S. Embassy in Damascus urged its citizens in Syria to depart "immediately," and Turkey's foreign ministry urged Turkish pilgrims to opt for flights to return home from Saudi Arabia to avoid traveling through Syria." But probably the most damning evidence that the "western world" is about to do the unthinkable and invade Syria, and in the process force Iran to retaliate, is the weekly naval update from Stratfor, which always has some very interesting if always controversial view on geopolitics, where we find that for the first time in many months, CVN 77 George H.W. Bush has left its traditional theater of operations just off the Straits of Hormuz, a critical choke point, where it traditionally accompanies the Stennis, and has parked... right next to Syria.

From Stratfor:

And from CBS:

"The U.S. Embassy continues to urge U.S. citizens in Syria to depart immediately while commercial transportation is available," said a statement issued to the American community in Syria Wednesday and posted on the Embassy's website. "The number of airlines serving Syria has decreased significantly since the summer, while many of those airlines remaining have reduced their number of flights."


The warning followed an announcement in Washington this week that Ambassador Robert Ford would not return to Syria this month as planned, indicating concerns over his safety.


The Obama administration quietly pulled Ford out of Syria last month, citing credible personal threats against him.


The Turkish foreign ministry on Wednesday urged Turkish pilgrims to opt for flights to return home from Saudi Arabia and avoid traveling through Syria for security reasons.


The warning came two days after Syrian soldiers opened fire on at least two buses carrying Turkish citizens, witnesses and officials said, apparent retaliation for Turkey's criticism of Assad. The Turks were returning from Saudi Arabia after performing the annual Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:41 | 1907601 TeamDepends
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Occupy Syria

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:46 | 1907624 Matt1973
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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:41 | 1907602 Timmay
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"The bigger the cap, the bigger the peelin'."


-Ice Cube

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:53 | 1907663 Drachma
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"The bigger the cushion the sweeter the pushin,

that's what I said.

The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand,

or so I have read."

Spinal Tap

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:16 | 1907778 SwingForce
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"On Friday, Miami Gardens police finally caught up with the elusive “doctor,’’ a transgender woman whose own butt is the size of a truck tire. Investigators suspect she is part of an underground network of scam artists who have been offering “pumping parties” and home buttocks augmentations across South Florida for years."

Its not the heat, its the stupidity.  Beam me up, Scotty.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:42 | 1907604 c'mon man
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As a former member of the military...this just makes me sick to my stomach....

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:20 | 1907809 LFMayor
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So you're not going to break out your ear necklace and wear it again in celebration?  You probably burned shitters anyways, you fucking limp wrist pogey.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:56 | 1907995 TruthInSunshine
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Hey, LFMayor, I know you...

...I can't remember your name, but you played that young guy (Tom Cruise's character whilst young and hopelessly brainwashed/naive) in Born on The Fourth of July, Bitchez.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:42 | 1907605 No One
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378,000 bpd of which they export 130,000

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:43 | 1907610 ZeroPoint
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Russia is repointing its missles as we speak.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:53 | 1907665 Cast Iron Skillet
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sharpening them?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:54 | 1907670 Confuchius
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The "repointing" takes but a few minutes...

We may now expect many "tourists" to catch a Sunburn.

CVN: glug - glug - glug.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1908053 spacecadet
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I wouldn't worry about where Russia's missiles are pointed . I'm almost certain they don't work nor anyone elses for that matter. The U.S has already developed the technology to render them inoperable or at the very least inaccurate. Pleeaase!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:32 | 1908458 phyuckyiu
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Oh spacecadet, do praytell what technology we have to shoot down the Moskit/Sunburn. Ram guns? A subsonic missle to target a mach 2-3 missile? Pleeeeeeease. Clueless.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:03 | 1908595 spacecadet
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phyuckyiu, Every weapons system has a computer lurking somewhere behind it. Take my word for it, it's easier to knock an incoming ICBM off course with a few key strokes than to catch a 30 ought 6 between your teeth.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:49 | 1908872 phyuckyiu
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I would imagine computer sabotage is an equal opportunity employer. Meaning we are as vulnerable as anyone else. Witness a water pump shutting down in Illinois this week, and they had to backtrack that it was outside forces (can't let the sheeple know how vulnerable they really are). As far as I know the Moskit/Sunburn are fire and forget, but I suppose we'll find out soon.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:45 | 1908530 lakecity55
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Put a Russky GPS Rocket-Homing widget in Barky's underwear, quick! He won't be changing it since Reggie quit.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:51 | 1908992 phyuckyiu
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If only people understood the real meaning of this comment :)

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:43 | 1907612 The Ram
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Let's see how the Russians respond.  You wonder whether the Chinese and Russians are just 'playing the game' for short term stability or if they really get that they are the long-term targets!  When do they say enough or do they just wait for the inevitable US invasion of Pakistan to say 'enough.'   We do live in interesting times, kind of like a mixture of 1914 and 1939.

It's a good time for a distraction!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:04 | 1907724 Desert Irish
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One could also make the argument that once Iran see that the US, allies and the Arab Leauge isn't bluffing and takes Syria out they may be more inclined to co-operate. One could also make the argument that this is a false flag event to draw Iran into the war therefore enabling the US and arab coalition (plus Isreal) to retaliate without directly confronting China and Russia.

Isreali's got within 40 kms of Damascus in '73 and the only reason they halted was that Russia said they would enter the war - both the Israli's and the US believed then Russia would. Expect the Russians at the very least arm Assad.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:10 | 1907762's picture

One could also make the argument that once Iran see that the US, allies and the Arab Leauge isn't bluffing and takes Syria out they may be more inclined to co-operate.


Saddam cooperated by letting inspectors into all parts of Iraq and destroying arms on live TV. That just got him killed. Gaddafi cooperated by ending Libya's nuclear program. That just got him killed.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:54 | 1908997 phyuckyiu
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You think any carnage in Syria is going to make Iran roll over? It will make them spend every last dollar on weapons.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:28 | 1908150 spacecadet
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Russia and the Iranians love this shit. So you suffer through some airstrikes and the price of your main export skyrockets lining your and your nations coffers. Sounds like a plan.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:56 | 1909002 phyuckyiu
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When gas goes to 10$ a gallon, that's when the real American class warfare starts. If half the population is idled, the bullets begin.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:43 | 1907613 Long-John-Silver
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Obama sure is working hard to win another peace prize. They are made of .999 Gold are they not?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:52 | 1907651's picture

All medals made before 1980 were struck in 23 carat gold. Today, they are made from 18 carat green gold plated with 24 carat gold.


Gold plated baubles for a tin pot dictator.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:08 | 1907750 TeamDepends
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Green gold?  Do they actually fall for that?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:11 | 1907767's picture

Yep. And they serve blue oranges for brunch as well.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:54 | 1907657 OnTheRun
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Totally worth quietly starting a war, and then publicly ending it for some internationally awarded bling.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:53 | 1907659 camaro68ss
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They should make it out of zinc to better represent our fiat system

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:38 | 1908488 blunderdog
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Metals are too valuable these days.

How about glass?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:53 | 1908744 GeezerGeek
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At best he deserves gold-plated tungsten.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:44 | 1907616 Tsar Pointless
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They hate us for our bomb the living shit out of any and every country we damn well please, whenever we damn well please to do so.

God Bless Amerikkka!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:57 | 1907694 srsly-wtf
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A thousand points of light....

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:04 | 1907725 Cast Iron Skillet
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"They hate us for our freedom" - I've always liked that particular line. As if a shepherd in northern Afghanistan would give a goat shit about the freedom of people in north America.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:39 | 1907897 TruthInSunshine
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You've not witnessed the media footage of angry throngs of goat farmers burning copies of the Magna Carta & Bill of Rights?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:36 | 1908481 Spastica Rex
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and Time Magazine - but good on 'em for that.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:11 | 1909044 Ms. Erable
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But that footage was shot in DC, and those goat farmers (look more like goat fuckers to me) were members of the US Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Executive branches of the US gubbermint.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:47 | 1907945 Incubus
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ssssh.  that's their line to get middle/lower class and overzealous boys and girls to sign up for the machine.

It's kind of like LARPing, I guess.  Only they're not fighting dragons and sorcerers:  they're fighting terrorists and freedom haters.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:01 | 1908904 Teamtc321
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"As if a shepherd in northern Afghanistan would give a goat shit about the freedom of people in north America."


About like cattle rancher's in North America could give a shit about a goat shepherd in N. Afghnistan. 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:44 | 1907617 thegr8whorebabylon
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A light shall come from the east..."

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:48 | 1907636 Mister Ponzi
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Let's hope it does not come from a nuclear explosion...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:02 | 1907720 thegr8whorebabylon
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Check out my girl in Damascus, Mirna Nazzour.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:44 | 1907618 Badabing
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Bullish for the euro/usd

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:54 | 1907660 mayhem_korner
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Particularly if it's coordinated with a Merkel capitulation ("push print now" IM to her pen-pal Sarkozy)...

Would be mega-bullish for the oil/gold ratio.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:46 | 1907621 jeff montanye
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like the iraq war, which was instigated by zionists largely (project for the new american century), these obama wars to knock off islamic authoritarians will result in further opposition to israel as, over time, the governments of egypt, libya, syria, and associated fallout become more representative of the violent hatred of israel that the peoples of these nations feel. 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:02 | 1908583 lakecity55
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Possibly, but there is evidence both AQ and the Muslim Brotherhood are employees of the CIA/MI-6. MI-6 inherited them (MB) after WW2. During the war, they worked for Hitler behind British lines in Egypt. The Brits used them to counter the rowdy Zionists before 1948. Of course, the CIA uses AQ anywhere a gun-hand is needed, from the halls of afghanistan to the shores of tripoli.

Imperial strategy would be to use them to destabilize, divide and conquer these potentates in order to grab their banking assets: so much vig is being thrown away! Remember, good ole' Mo gave up his nukes, but not his plan to issue gold-backed oil dinars.  For the good of Goldman and the City, he had to go... Maybe if he's quick about it, Bashar can make the hidden landing strip before Barky fires a Hellfire up his ass. Word is, Barky likes playing Predator.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:46 | 1907622's picture

I'm embarrassed to be linked with these warmongers in any way. I will not deny my country but rather assert that the war criminals holding office are not Americans. They are traitors plain and simple.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:05 | 1907738 RichardP
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May we also know what you call the leader of Syria who has killed so many of his own countrymen recently?  Do we like him, or do we despise him more than President Obama (I really need some guidance; I'm not capable of deciding on my own)?

Can we let that be the new standard please:  how many of your own citizens you kill?  But who gets the 'fail' prize and our criticism - the one who kills the most, or the one who kills the fewest?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:15 | 1907781's picture

I don't concern myself with Syria. It's none of my business.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:38 | 1908491 phyuckyiu
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Hi Richard, maybe if you concerned yourself more with making America a country worth having children in, rather than ensuring that our school year is cut to 10 days a year since we are broke, people might listen to you.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:50 | 1908881 phyuckyiu
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Gotta love the junks on 'making America a country worth having children in'. LULZ.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:46 | 1909948 RichardP
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America is not broke.  We have simply evolved different criteria for what things are worth spending money on.  An educated child is never going to be as effective a weapon as a new fighter jet.  Guess what gets funded.  And doesn't the world already have enough kids?  Why should we fund schools and encourage people to have more kids?  Fewer kids means more stuff for us, right??  (Who do you suppose is pushing that agenda?  The newly marrieds?)

But I digress.  I simply asked who we are rooting for - the one who kills the most of his citizens or the one who kills the least.  So far, no answer.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 06:49 | 1912419 prole
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I  vote against you and I hope you lose in all your endeavors. Stop deceiving people. Give me back my country and get your hand out of my pocket.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:11 | 1908354 karzai_luver
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What crap , WE don't seem to care how many of THEIR cits WE kill as long as we bring freedom to the ones left after our butcher bill is paid in oil or gold or whatever.


Yeah, lets add them uip. Assad could slaighter 1000s for years and not get close to our freedom operations not to mention our embargoes of the past.

lose fail utter.


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:58 | 1908758 GeezerGeek
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Why can't we settle this by putting Obama and Assad in a small room and let them fight it out. Just the two of them. I suggest the only weapons allowed are hand grenades. Win-Win.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:47 | 1907627 sitenine
Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:11 | 1908618 spacecadet
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It's just posturing, leverage, using the missile shield as a bargaining chip to secure Russias cooperation regarding Iran. I wouldn't worry about. The Russians can't even build a decent car.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:58 | 1908899 phyuckyiu
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The United States Armed Forces is now full of limp wristers, and their aircraft carriers have no working toilets. I wouldn't worry about it. The U.S. hasn't built a decent car in 40 years.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 06:56 | 1912421 prole
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That is because America doesn't build cars. America doesn't even want cars they want bombs and blood and death and to be molested by their own government.  How much does one B2 bomber cost in cars?

We have gone full sheep stupid as a nation and I guess there is no turning back.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:47 | 1907628 Amused2Death
Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:48 | 1907637 Kreditanstalt
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Stimulus!  We need more stimulus...PRINT PRINT PRINT PRINT PRINT

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:51 | 1907649 No One
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haven't we all been told (as subtly as a turd in a punchbowl) that war is good for the economy? This deployment is nothing but bullish for banks.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:49 | 1907641 1835jackson
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When all else fails they take you to much for the civilized 21st century.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:50 | 1907645 mayhem_korner
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Is Barry going to go all in with this distraction by actually loading up the teleprompter with more hard words like "corpsman"?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:01 | 1908764 GeezerGeek
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He pronounced it corpse-man, didn't he? Was it a Freudian slip? Does he want more corpse-men?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:52 | 1907652 Tell me lies
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Will someone light the fuse to all this eschatology. I missed my last ride, 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:52 | 1907654 Hopium Dealer
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Jewish businessmen are lining up at the Syria border to help "rebuild" the country after the "kinetic" conflict.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:43 | 1907919 redcorona
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Flying carpetbaggers.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:54 | 1907658 HamyWanger
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Finally! All my life I have been waiting for this moment, namely the complete and utter military annihilation of one of the last standing enemies of America and Israel.

There's only North Korea, Iran, and maybe Yemen left in the Axis of Evil now, to the great despair of unpatriotic libertarians and communists. 

Bottom line is this: our enemies should beware of the wrath of God's chosen people. 

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:57 | 1907695 navy62802
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Don't leave out Russia and China. If we have a military confrontation with Iran, both will likely back the Iranians.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:16 | 1907789 Tramp Stamper
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There's only North Korea, Iran and maybe Yemen without a usury Central Bank

fixed it for you

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1908085 TruthInSunshine
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Yep, Libya just got smoked.

They thought they could keep on keepin' on without having to abide by the fractional reserve banking extortion racket.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:19 | 1907808 GeorgeHayduke
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Thanks for proving once again that patriotism and religion are far more dangerous drugs than alcohol and narcotics.

At least the narcotics abuser and alcoholic come down to sanity when the drug wears off. Unfortunately, the patriotic/religious drug abusers never come off their high unless a stray thought or glimpse of reality is allowed to enter their brain. Hence the need for 24/7/365 Reich-wing radio programs to keep the stooges hypnotized.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:11 | 1908074 spacecadet
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I think that the Japanese are the chosen ones, but I'll take a Jew over a Muslim any day of the week.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:56 | 1908569 New_Meat
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Yemen went bye-bye-bye today. - Ned

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 22:33 | 1909220 Tompooz
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"Bottom line is this: our enemies should beware of the wrath of God's chosen people."

This is sarcasm, isn't it? 


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:53 | 1907662 reload
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Syrian protest groups were being interviewed in London earlier this week by foreign secretary William Haig. He said on a radio interview that as yet no group had been `officualy recognised` by `word leaders`.

Pretty obvious he was checking to see who will let Lord Rothchild open a central bank on behalf of the Syrian people to launder freshly printed USD for Oil.

Got to choose your puppets carefuly.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:57 | 1907690 Peter K
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Syrian has no oil, dude.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:08 | 1907753 RichardENixon
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Which Syrian?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1908090 ceilidh_trail
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The swarthy looking one

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:58 | 1908577 New_Meat
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they stuck their dip-stick in and came up with shit.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:53 | 1907664 Silverballs
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Next stop Iran... Pyschopaths vs physhopaths

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:17 | 1907798's picture

It's the innocent who will suffer.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:31 | 1909341 UP Forester
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You mean sanctions on medicine, baby formula, refined petroleum, potato chips and iPads doesn't hurt only the regime?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:55 | 1907676 Peter K
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The Califate and the One are one. Like Rush likes to say, don't doubt me on this.:)

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:55 | 1907679 BurningFuld
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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:56 | 1907680 Randall Cabot
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One of these days, Sunburn anti-ship missiles will be launched and a couple of aircraft carriers will be sent to Davy jones's Locker.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:15 | 1908372 seek
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Yes. This has been every navy's dirty little secret since the Falklands war. Of course if you can maintain a large enough stand-off distance and keep your patrols up, this can be mitigated, but if whoever manages to light up two or three antiship missles at once at a carrier in range, we'll see history get written on many different pages.

This isn't an easy thing to do, but the probability of success is well above zero, and given the value of a carrier asset, it makes for a very interesting risk analysis problem.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:57 | 1907688 BennyBoy
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The troops we pull outta Iraq gotta go somewhere.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:22 | 1907824 GeorgeHayduke
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Yeah they don't want those troops back in the US where they get to deal with the economic realities the rest of us are dealing with. Then the troops might end up joining the OWS movement.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:42 | 1908508 Spastica Rex
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We could put them to work picking fruit and row-crops out here in the Pacific Northwest. Agri-business says not enough Mexicans to do it.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:57 | 1907691 LawsofPhysics
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Lots of negociating failing to deliver results around the world.  War is simply negociation by other means.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 14:57 | 1907693 dexter_morgan
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Seriously? WTF, I thought our prez was going to be differnt than Bush......oh wait, forgot he's just a sock puppet.........

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:06 | 1907743 Eally Ucked
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we're ready after latests tests in Afghanistan!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:01 | 1907708 rdenner
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Is anyone stating to feel like German citizens in 1936 or 37..

Seriously WHAT THE FUCK??? This president just decides to go into Libya without prior concent or even a reach around for the congress and now we are amassing an armada off the Syrian coast.. NO TALKING OR ANYTHING..

Is this what the German citizens felt like as Hitler's panzer's rolled into the Rhineland and into Poland??

So when do we go for Operation Barbarosa and finally take Stalingrad..



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:05 | 1907734 john39
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conspiracy theories are theories no longer...   the NWO is in plain view now, and they no longer care to hide it.  fight now people, or the future for your children will be just as predicted by Orwell in 1984.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:43 | 1908515 Spastica Rex
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Too late. Boots and faces.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:06 | 1908776 nyse
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...and/or Revelation.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:13 | 1907774 TruthInSunshine
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Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I've seen the future, brother:
it is murder.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:33 | 1907878 xcehn
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The administration knows that if they do Syria as a prelude to Iran, the mainstream media will back it all the way. In fact, they will back Obama all the way to reelection.  So, actually, this is all about reelection?  You better believe it.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:05 | 1908045 eureka
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"This president..." - you mean Mr. Nobel Prince Of Peace...?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:06 | 1908785 nyse
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or "Mr. Nobel Prince Of Persia" ;)

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1908086 nabi
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Actually, I believe we are in the late '38 to mid '39 range myself...


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:35 | 1908960 optimator
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"The radio station at Gleiwitz was attacked and as of 4 am this morning we're shooting back"

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:24 | 1908132 Vergeltung
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ah yes, fond memories, those. I'm so much older now. don't think my uniform will fit anymore.....


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:08 | 1908610 lakecity55
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Yep. He read Adolf's book.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:08 | 1908611 lakecity55
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Yep. He read Adolf's book.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:35 | 1909346 GrinandBearit
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Obama makes no decisions, he's a figurehead that simply does what he's told.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:04 | 1907716 Dr. Engali
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You know what pisses me off is all those fucking liberal hypocrites who sit back and say nothing. It's okay to them if Obummer bombs brown people but if Bush bombs brown people then there are parades and protests. Remember "no blood for oil",and "not in my name"? For the record it is not okay by me if we bomb anybody. I'm sick of us sticking our nose in every body elses business. If their main export was broccoli we sure as hell wouldn't be bombing them. Fucking liberal hypocrites.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:06 | 1907742 dexter_morgan
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Well, liberals aren't against war in general, only when it's someone else doing it.

Too bad Ron Paul has no chance since he at least understands our destructive foreign policy.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:10 | 1907755 Dr. Engali
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I think Ron Paul has more of a chance than you think. That's why they try to muzzel him in the debates.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:15 | 1907792 dexter_morgan
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I hope to God you are right.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:46 | 1908535 Spastica Rex
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Hope and Change!

That's not a dig on Dr. Paul, just cold water.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:27 | 1908948 Cathartes Aura
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one day they may wake up to the reality, the amrkn president has no say, or power, he merely delivers the messages.

the garbled speech of the last one, the teleprompter this one uses. . . all clues, if you let them sink in.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:13 | 1908367 Savvy
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Wow. Took the pill dincha? There's more stupid people supporting Oblahblah's wars then stupid people sitting back saying nothing. Fuck i wish you yanks would give up the left right farce. You;d get a lot more done.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:18 | 1908382 karzai_luver
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Well , at least there is a chance the lib turds will be against some war at some fukin point in time.


Now the pugs/cons , they seem to be for every war unless obama starts it and then after it is "won"bwhhhhaaaaa they are falling all over themselves to attend every fuukin parade and celebration.


give me a break.

Morals are as a fart in the wind to these criminals.


Why don't the pugs/cons get in the streets and stop this thing? BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


i kill somtimes!



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:04 | 1907726 xcehn
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I firmly believe that Syria is the gateway to Iran--the key objective.  Sick reality.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:46 | 1907940 Coronal Mass Ej...
Coronal Mass Ejaculation's picture on!! Syria is but an annoying country in the way to the ultimate prize, Iran.  Once the US and her allies have secured Syrian airspace it'll be much easier for them to fly sorties in and out of Iran when that war begins....however, you have to somehow bring Syria to it's knees while China and Russia are watching and hope that they don't get involved...otherwise you will never make it to Iran...Yes, it is all clear now.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:18 | 1908095 eureka
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"you have to somehow bring Syria to it's knees while China and Russia are watching and hope that they don't get involved..."

I disagree - I think Ahmedinejad's "tens of thousands of suicide jihadists" are far more dangerous than China and russia combined...

- after all, isn't that what we have learned - or perhaps not - that even empires and their mighty armies can do nothing to prevent the strikes of asymetrical warfare a.k.a. guerilla and terrorist attacks?

I think we have to somehow get everybody to hope that we can take the US back from the Federal & military industrial and bankster complex - and get everybody out to vote in the GOP primaries for the only man who understands the stakes and the solution: no more empire and interventions and nation-building.


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:04 | 1907728 Absalon
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Instituting a no fly zone is a colossally stupid idea but the reality is that Iran would have no way to retaliate.  

The US says they are going to protect Syrian citizens - how and where does Iran retaliate against that.

In fact the only possible legitimate reason for doing a no fly zone at this time is to send a message to Iran.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:05 | 1907731 nyse
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Meanwhile in Russia...


(Please watch. Hiarious and short. Russians hate Pharaohbama too now?)

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:10 | 1907827 xcehn
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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:07 | 1907748 lolmao500
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Titor right again.

Syria/Iran/Hezbollah vs Arab countries imposing the no fly zone...

Titor :

The Arab countries appear to have weapons of mass destruction. Do they use them against America?
Not against America but they are used against each other.

Military draft plans on standby in U.S. if the nation needs more troops

Joint Chiefs Predict Grim Future If Super Committee Fails, Sequestration Happens

If the Super Committee fails to make the budget cuts required by law -- something almost everyone here now believes is likely -- that will be really, really bad for the U.S. military.

The head of the largest service, and the Joint Chief with the most combat service, Gen. Ray Odierno, said the sequestration cuts "would be catastrophic for the military" and could endanger the all-volunteer force sequestration cuts. No one said the "draft" word but nothing worries an old Army man more than a return to the draft, especially in a time of austerity.

Titor :

Was a lot of the US 18-24 age group killed in the war because of a draft?


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:23 | 1908414 MobBarley
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Sorry to burst yer bubble, but Titor is a psy-op by the people planning the crap you're sitting in.


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:10 | 1907757 LFMayor
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Maybe Iran has staged some crap in Syria as a sort of Sword of Damocles for when Israel attacks their nuclear infrastructure?
As good a theory as any also has Saddam's lost CBR materials trucked north to Syria right before the shit left the horse in '03.   The Chinless Dentist might be exhibiting signs of cute ideas using that stuff and needs to be reminded to settle down.

Now we'll move a rook up here to shield the bishop as he sets up for a check...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:10 | 1907759 americanspirit
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Mighty difficult to ignore those three ( at least) Russian nuclear subs in the eastern Med. That's one big carrier.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:10 | 1907760 Dealer
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War and death...the greatest show on Earth, bitchez!!


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:19 | 1907761 HD
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Well, I guess we can't let those automatic military cuts happen now...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:10 | 1907763 Timmay
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Who wants to bet Paul Krugman is riding shootgun in the first B2 bomber over Damascus?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:15 | 1907787 rdenner
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I'll take that bet. you think that fat fuck Krugman would put his Chicken Hawk loving ass on the line for a war he supports??? You are on fucking drugs Timmay...



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:17 | 1907801 Timmay
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Sure he would, he wants to personally validate the  "Keynesian" effect of growth through death and destruction.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:21 | 1907813 rdenner
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ROFL You got me there Timmay...



Please please please please...




Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:10 | 1907764 dr.charlemagne
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The obvious solution to the western debt crisis is to have central monetary authors inflate away the problem. This solution has been limited by food and energy price inflation. While the US does not need to import it's food, it does it's energy. This problem is of course solved by complete western control of the middle east

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:54 | 1908270 robertocarlos
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Or you could print and then accept a lower standard of living. It's not written in stone that you all get a Mcmansion and 3 cars.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:16 | 1908929 Teamtc321
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Wrong, we could cut opec by 50% if the demorat's and obummer would get out of the way with nat gas. Fact..........

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:11 | 1907766 Missiondweller
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Don't get too excited folks.

Moving "assets on the board" is sometimes effective diplomacy to PREVENT conflict and win without a fight.

Remember Sun Tzu.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:21 | 1907818's picture

Sun Tzu would never stretch his supply lines like the US has done and he would not pursue endless conflict without a definite goal.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:47 | 1907948 Missiondweller
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Supply lines? You are aware that our supplies and reach are global, right?

For the moment we are still a global military power.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:55 | 1907972's picture

The cost of delivering a gallon of gasoline to our troops in Afghanistan is $100.


"The skillful soldier does not raise a second levy, neither are his supply-wagons loaded more than twice." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:26 | 1908425 karzai_luver
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I think our recent past shows we can leave the Sun out of this , we are not in the same solar system.

Our top mil is infested with political hacks and fools. It's an affirmative action disaster zone.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:09 | 1908614 seek
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Wrong, but correct in spirit. It's actually $400 per gallon:


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:42 | 1909118 BigJim
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$400 of fiat is literally nothing

Particularly if thet $400 is defending the ultimate backstop of the USD, the requirement to own it to buy oil.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 17:21 | 1908405 Savvy
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Sunzi didn't have LM and co

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:25 | 1907841 NEOSERF
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And the Bosnia, Libya, Egypt fly over thing has has worked well for years without putting boots on the ground...just how provoked Iran will feel is the wild card

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:01 | 1909408 UP Forester
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WTF do you know about Bosnia?  In the weapon storage sites I inspected there, 100,000+ M-70s packed in cosmoline along with damn near any other weapons you can think of (including Thompsons, MP5s, Milans), just waiting for the occupying forces to leave, and just like after Tito's demise, a thousand years of religiousity will burst forth yet again.

Libya is fully tribal.  They're also just waiting for the spot-light to turn on someone else, and kill each other until equilibrium is reached.


As far as I'm concerned, we have no business being anywhere outside the lines drawn on a map that denote "our borders."  It's either that, or continue wallowing in shit "enjoying" the steepening decline in living standards.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:30 | 1907865 chubbar
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"Prevent conflict"? I've got an idea! How about the U.S. and Israel mind their own fucking business? That will "prevent conflict" and in the process innocent civilians and military personnel don't have to die.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:43 | 1907921 Missiondweller
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Chubbar, civilians are dying by the thousands in Syria right now.


The theat of force may save lives. Moving a carrier makes a huge statement without any commitment. The cost is low and the benefits could be very high (in saved lives).


maybe its smart, maybe its not but your comment is silly and meaningless.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 16:31 | 1908174 Maxter
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Personaly, I have no idea if  civilians are really being killed or not in Syria.  For all I know it could just be propaganda like it was in Lybia. 


Right now I assume that specials forces and local groups with forein backing are instigating violence in the country as to force the Syrian governement to respond with force.  So "civilians are dying by the thousands" might actualy be "armed people fighting and dieing"

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