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Aircraft Carrier Enterprise Sets Off On Final Journey - Direction Iran

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Today at noon Eastern, the storied aircraft carrier Enterprise, aka CVN-65, left its home port of Naval Station Norfolk one final time for its final voyage with a heading: Arabian Sea, aka Iran. There in a week it will join CVN 72 Lincoln and CVN 70 Vinson, as well as LHD 8 Makin Island, all of which are supporting any potential escalation of "hostilities" in the Persian Gulf region. As a reminder, back in January we learned that the Enterprise's final voyage will be in proximity to Iran, and in the meantime, the aircraft carrier held extended drills off the Florida coast to attack a "faux theocracy"  consisting of fundamentalist "Shahida" states. Why the Arabian Sea in about 7-10 days will be home to not two but three aircraft carriers and a big deck amphibious warfare ship is very much an open question, although we may have some thoughts. 


Thousands of sailors will deploy today from Norfolk on the USS Enterprise for the last time on Sunday.


Nearly 5,500 Sailors aboard the ships of the Enterprise Carrier Strike Group (ENT CSG) are scheduled to deploy from Naval Stations Norfolk and Mayport, Fla., March 9, 11 and 12, to support operations with the U.S. Navys 5th and 6th Fleets.


The aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (CVN 65), commanded by Capt. William C. Hamilton Jr., will depart from Naval Station Norfolk for the ships 22nd and final deployment March 11.  

CVN 65 will not be alone:

After the Enterprise leaves Sunday, three Norfolk-based guided-missile destroyers will head out Monday — the USS Porter, USS Nitze and USS James E. Williams.


The strike group is commanded by Rear Adm. Ted Carter Jr.


Carrier Air Wing 1, based at Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach, will be embarked aboard the Enterprise.


The Enterprise was launched September 24, 1960, by Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock Co. and commissioned November 25, 1961.


Its record of high-profile service began with the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. Since then, it has served in countless missions around the world.


The aircraft squadrons of CVW 1 embarked aboard Enterprise are: Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 11 Red Rippers, VFA 136 Knighthawks, VFA 211 Fighting Checkmates, Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 251 Thunderbolts, Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 123 Screwtops, Carrier Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 137 Rooks, Fleet Logistics Support Squadron (VRC) 40 Rawhides, and Helicopter Anti-submarine Squadron (HSL) 11 Dragon Slayers.

Some pictures released minutes ago from Enterprise's final deployment:

Finally, this is how congested the Arabian Sea looks right about now, where two carriers and one assault ship are currently located, via Stratfor.


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Sun, 03/11/2012 - 16:32 | 2245460's picture

Beam me up, Scotty; there's no intelligent life down here.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 16:39 | 2245484 Ahmeexnal
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It'll take that floating piece of crap 8 months to reach the gulf.

"Peas" prize Ogolfer's plans are for war after the elections.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 16:52 | 2245512 infotechsailor
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I did some cruises on the BIG E. actually one of the fastest ships that we have. Accidentally put too many reactors and made the hull too narrow (laid on a cruiser I believe)... one of those silly things that happens when you are experimenting with the world's first nuclear powered carrier. that SOB is OLDDD but still hauls ass.


 I always did think that our carriers were a waste. We can save a LOT of money by cutting down our carriers to about 1/3 or 1/4 of what we have now, and start launching armed drones from much smaller ships, that DONT have to feed 5000 sailors and airmen.  On the plus side, I got a taxpayer funded vacation to Dubai. We pulled in there three times in 2007. Hella tight!

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 16:55 | 2245533 SHEEPFUKKER

I wonder if I will get my tax refund this year as a result of this behavior. lol

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 16:59 | 2245542 infotechsailor
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oh dont worry about your refund, the fed will print whatever they need to. Can't guarantee you will be able to buy a gallon of gas with it though after you cash it. specially when the bombs start falling on tehran.  'merica gonna go give some justice to them brown people! ... just don't tell those rednecks about operation ajax. their heads might explode.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:04 | 2245555 goldfish1
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operation ajax


In August of 1953, the United States’ Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) executed a coup against Mohammad Mossadegh’s democratic government in Iran. The CIA code name given to this coup d’état was Operation Ajax. Operation Ajax remains important in world history because it is often believed to be the initial cause of anti-Western sentiment in the Islamic Republic of Iran....

...The aftermath of Operation Ajax is also believed to be the roots of the Iranian Revolution in which, Reza Shah went into exile and the anti-Western Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini rose to power.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:13 | 2245579 TBT or not TBT
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Mossadegh and Allende, two very unregrettable casualties in the global battle against "communism" which is to say state appropriation of private property on populist grounds.

If only we had rubbed out Castro, Chavez, Mugabe, and so many others in a timely way.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:21 | 2245611's picture

You're all about the freedom, aren't you?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:42 | 2245680 Randall Cabot
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So what happens after the Sunburns sink all three of these carriers?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:55 | 2245714 TBT or not TBT
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The euphemism lately has been "regime change".

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:03 | 2245741 Publicus
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Regime change in America?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:30 | 2245803 TBT or not TBT
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If you mean by that the end of the corrupt machiavellic evil Obama machine, well, Obama will only take actions he thinks will help his chances at re-election.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:06 | 2245871 john39
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yes, things were so much better back in the bush years...  /s

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:37 | 2246064 12ToothAssassin
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By "Final mission" are they implying it is destined to be sacrificed in a False Flag operation?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:37 | 2246155 Harlequin001
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'The Enterprise sleeps with the fishes...'

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:27 | 2246252 Michael
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It's only 5,000 or so corporate mercenary navel personnel sleeping with the fishes. No big deal. Rothschild's have hundreds of thousands of mercenaries.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:41 | 2246273 Spirit Of Truth
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Check out the U.S. aircraft carrier involved in Operation Praying Mantis and the last major America military action against Iran:

“History doesn't repeat itself - at best it sometimes rhymes” - Mark Twain

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:51 | 2246435 Michael
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43 Years After Surviving Israeli Attack on USS Liberty, US Veteran Joe Meadors Seized by Israeli Forces on Gaza Aid Flotilla

The Loss Of Liberty (USS Liberty Cover-Up)

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:02 | 2246452 Michael
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Israel's deadly attack on USS Liberty emerges from the past

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 03:32 | 2246561 Michael
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All the world's a stage, and our overlords really believe it so they conduct these real life extravagant plays.

This was on Drudge;

Arrest Angelina Jolie For War Crimes: Kony 2012!

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 07:30 | 2246724 Harlequin001
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the British still have Regiments that are older than the US but I never realised that the US had ships that are older than the Royal Navy...

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 23:04 | 2246294 jeff montanye
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if by rothschild you refer to the zionist entity, even exclusive of the idf, likely not destined to fight this time as it will only make matters worse (as in iraq), the number of its mercenaries (many patriotic and idealistic no doubt) is well past two million, counting reserves.  

while the reserves were life savers when g.w. bush was serving in the vietnam war from a bar stool in alabama, by the time he was starting wars (again at the behest of the z.e.) the reserves were front line troops like any other so imo they count fully.

the only problem with calling them the rothschilds' mercenaries is that they don't pay for them.  we do.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:53 | 2246487 potlatch
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Spock: apparently captain, they still argue about star deities, and they are nearing the threshold for...

Kirk: I know, Spock, I know the regulations quite well, thank you.   Mr. Scott!

Scotty:  Aye, capn?

Kirk: is Rumsfeld still in orbit in his own ship?

Scotty <beaming>: aye cap'n, and a beut she is too.

Kirk: alright then.  Mr.  Sulu, release the US Fleet Enterprise.  Time to causus  some belli.

Sulu <beaming>: it's ok to be Takei!

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:44 | 2246162 Ahmeexnal
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That "Big E" will end up as the Graf Spee did in Montevideo: a tourist attraction for all gulf coast visitors, with the bridge barely rising above sea level.

Germany has never paid Uruguay for that vulgar trash dump on the otherwise pristine River Plate estuary.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:56 | 2246185 GOSPLAN HERO
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You can thank the Brits.

The Graf Spee was attacked in a neutral country ... in violation of international law.


Sun, 03/11/2012 - 23:30 | 2246306 jeff montanye
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now, now.  the graf spee fired first, hitting the exeter amidships, believable as it had the longest range.

hitler ordered it to attempt to break out or be blown up; her commander scuttled it in shallow water:

this was the first big naval battle of ww2, the one that gave wars a good name, to the world's subsequent bitter disappointment.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:23 | 2246399 Matt
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There has not been a War since World War 2. You see, by simply never declaring war, we can keep intact that WW2 was the war to end all wars. Except of course wars against things and ideas, like Drugs, Poverty and Terror.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:34 | 2246477 Harlequin001
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Well at least you're impartial then, not...

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:51 | 2246176 MeetTozter
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:27 | 2246046 francis_sawyer
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Don't worry...

OBomb-us says he's regrets to be sending another carrier to the area... But he "promises" he'll never use it...

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:16 | 2246385 LetThemEatRand
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"Once they get here and they're faced with the same problems we deal with every day, then they will appreciate some of the things we've put in place," Cheney said.

"We did not exceed our constitutional authority, as some have suggested," Cheney added. "The President believes, I believe very deeply, in a strong executive, and I think that's essential in this day and age. And I think the Obama administration is not likely to cede that authority back to the Congress. I think they'll find that given a challenge they face, they'll need all the authority they can muster."  Richard the Dick Cheney.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:49 | 2246171 Sakka
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Mossad will launch the Sunburns from the Zagros.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:19 | 2246390 Tompooz
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Never in the history of false flag operations has there been so much advance speculation by so many .

Methinks they have to think of something *really* clever or forget about it this time and just stick to old fashioned gunboat "diplomacy". 

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:37 | 2246415 benb
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All the criminal cabal has to do is release a few bio-weapons in the U.S. and the corporate media will play the public like a cheap violin. Most people would be scared out of their gourd and do anything that they were told...unfortunately.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 08:04 | 2246771 StormShadow
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Does FEMA take reservations at the internment camps?  I wanna go ahead and get a good bunk while I can.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 08:31 | 2246809 i-dog
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Those kamps won't be for holding people, they'll be for "processing" people.

PS. Don't use the showers ... have one before you go in ;)

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 00:36 | 2253029 Tompooz
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Coupled with not so diplomatic requests of Germany, Switzerland (and Holland?) to transfer their gold from NY back to Europe, that might trigger the financial stampede...

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:24 | 2246401 FeralSerf
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"So what happens after the Sunburns sink all three of these carriers?"

America will just need to nuke Iran to save face.  And then Russia nukes America and vice versa, and it's TEOWAWKI.   Shouldn't take long.  Tierra del Fuego real estate may be the next bubble.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:34 | 2246476 ElvisDog
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Oh, please. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're being sarcastic. Russia will commit nuclear suicide over Iran? Puh-lease.

I'm sticking with my belief that Obama is keeping this Iran conflict simmering on the back burner just in case his poll numbers drop. Things are going well for him right now, so no war against Iran.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:17 | 2247019 BorisTheBlade
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I believe the intention at this point is not to attack Iran directly, but to force regime change via sanctions and constant threat of war, but without actual engagement. Now, of course what can go wrong if you put a lot of military assets next to somebody's shore and across borders and start bullying bastards. Nothing, I tell you, excepts for some black swanish unknown unknownish event popping its head out and screwing the whole thing up. Dangerous game.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 02:56 | 2246529 dreadnaught
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perfect 'False Flag' opportunity!

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:52 | 2245710 TBT or not TBT
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Why, yes I am.    Mossadegh and Allende are two fine examples of rabble rousers bent, not on taxing extraction activities a tad more, but stealing them outright, powered by populist rage.    Theft.    End of story.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:08 | 2245762 The Big Ching-aso
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Hope the U.S.S. Enterprise doesn't turn into the U.S.S. Kamikaze.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:06 | 2246206 Harlequin001
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My, would you look at that, a portable reef...

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 23:46 | 2246338 Stuck on Zero
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The best way to deactivate old nuclear rectors is to sink them in the Persian Gulf.  Simply a brilliant plan.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 02:15 | 2246358 Harlequin001
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Just think what that will do for GDP...

and global warming..

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:01 | 2248490 potlatch
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Well, apparently some of them over there *do* have a fondness for our major accomplishments, in the sense of seeing them wrecked.  I view it as an act of Christian charity to, next time, deliver a few particularly bothersome wrecks closer to home, where they can enjoy them more.  I can think of little more apt than a retired, magnificent aircraft carrier, and indeed, Kirk's own vessel's namesake.  We are nothing if not Enterprising!

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:54 | 2245841's picture

It's good to know that you are on the job determining the fate of all of the people, all of the time. After all there are not 7 billion opinions in the world, only yours.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:59 | 2245854 TBT or not TBT
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"Democracy" does not yield "Freedom".      

Voting about things is fine as long as, from the start, natural rights like those listed in the Bill of Rights are off limits to government action, even voted by large majorities.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:02 | 2245862's picture

I'm no fan of democracy. I do recognize the sovereignty of every individual. That includes the right to choose to live in a socialist society or to take up arms against oppressors in one's own nation in one's own way  without the benefit of being bombed into freedom by the US of A.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:06 | 2245870 TBT or not TBT
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Personally I care not from whence the good guys ride, nor from where they ride off to.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:07 | 2245873 john39
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"good guys"?  are we watching cartoons today?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:09 | 2245882 TBT or not TBT
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John Ford movies, so I've heard, have the archetypes I'm thinking of.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:14 | 2245894's picture

Well at least your observations are reality based.


Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:25 | 2245918 TBT or not TBT
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Touche.   How about Arthur Schindler then, as a bit muddier, yet reality based, good guy?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:30 | 2245931's picture

Who did he bomb?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:50 | 2245973 nmewn
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Ok, I can't help myself on this thread...Willam Shatner...

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:48 | 2246429 TBT or not TBT
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Buckaroo Banzai had profound things to say too.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:29 | 2245928 GoinFawr
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Sure it wasn't Martin Ritt?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:14 | 2246227 TheFourthStooge-ing
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TBT or not TBT knowingly pontificated:

Personally I care not from whence the good guys ride,

I'm glad you're prepared for the possibilities. A lot of people are going to be stunned out of their complacency if the good guys end up riding from Iran, Russia, and/or China.

...nor from where they ride off to.

Since adventures of this nature can easily get out of control, they might end up riding off to Israel to finish off the IAF and IDF. I hope it doesn't come to that, because a majority of the people of Israel do not support an attack on Iran, and they, like the people of Iran and the people of the United States, don't deserve any more suffering at the hands of their own government.


Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:57 | 2246289 joe6px
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I do believe we HAD a democratic republic, if Franklin was correct. There is a differece between a republic and a pure democracy, yes?  Civics class, what a bitch.  Doesn't matter, it doesn't exist in the US anyway.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:17 | 2246387 Oh regional Indian
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Not ever actually.....





Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:38 | 2246416 TBT or not TBT
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The idea was...if you'd read the basic law of the land...which is only a few pages long... that there are basic rights, NATURAL, creator-given rights that the US government cannot infringe no matter how much voting is done.    These INALIENABLE rights are delineated in the simple document in question, and the spirit of the whole entreprise is further elaborated in the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers.   

So we are meant to be only so democratic.   Note the word democracy doesn't appear very much in the Constitution.   We are a representative republic.  

Several of the founders called out the problem we have now, which is the people through popular vote (and thanks to erosion of protections against this happening) voting themselves goodies from the treasury.    The US being BROKE is kinduva common theme on this website's headlines, in case you hadn't noticed.   That resulted in part from us being TOO democratic, and of course departure from gold and silver coin as the basis of money(also in the silly little Constitution).

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:46 | 2246425 TBT or not TBT
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I do recognize the sovereignty of every individual. That includes the right to choose to live in a socialist society....

At the expense of others in the same society, whether minorities or majorities therein, who have their property thereby STOLEN.   Sorry bitchez, socialism is ALWAYS theft, always in violation of the rights of minorities, and most of the time violation of the rights of majorities.

Stay armed or get crushed.


Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:58 | 2247170 jwoop66
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Amen.   Most here will never get it.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 06:25 | 2246676 Alethian
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The 'right' to live in a socialist country? You mean the right to steal from others then? Socialism is incompatible with individual rights

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:33 | 2247088 aerojet
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He should have said "the right to self-determination."  You can't force people everywhere to assume your economic and political systems.  If they want to live on their knees, it is their choice to do so.  My feeling is that it was never their choice, or it was a choice made out of ignorance (Marx is like the dark side of the force--an extremely alluring honeypot for the peasantry).

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:04 | 2245866 TBT or not TBT
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It SHOULD go without saying that property rights, and rights to self defense and defense of one's property and close relations are among the natural rights.   When assholes like Mugabe, Chavez, Allende, Mossadegh, Iran's mullahs and their friends, and so many others move to steal private property, they violate natural human rights.   No one should cry over their comeuppance or death, come to that.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:18 | 2245905's picture

You said that "we" should be obliged to rub out such dictators. That makes you a socialist, too.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:26 | 2245923 TBT or not TBT
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I don't feel obliged to rub them out, however I think it is often the best solution.   Other solutions, such as how Chile handled Allende's handler, also work fine for me.   I'm a pragmatist.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:33 | 2245939's picture

But you said:

If only we had rubbed out Castro, Chavez, Mugabe, and so many others in a timely way.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:49 | 2245971 New_Meat
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Lao Tzu told about handling big problems when they were small. - Ned

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:59 | 2245985's picture

That's why Americans should come to their senses and stop this misbegotten aggression against Iran before it's too late.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:25 | 2246403 TBT or not TBT
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Before its too late for what?  The destruction of Lebanon by Iran?  The puppetization of Syria's psycho state under the mullahs' psycho state?   The peppering of Iraq and Afghanistan with specialized IEDs to impair the improvement of those countries?   The supply of zillions of rockets to thousands of murderous retards circling sophisticated, liberal, free high-IQ Israel?     The economic implosion of Iran, and with it the great majority of its western-leaning freedom yearning persian population, currently living under a vicious pervasive psychotic millenarian theocratic police state?

Do tell.   The way forward there is to destroy as many central government police buildings as possible, all at once, during office hours, with coordinated and massive stealth strikes, deleting the awful government.  What follows will be unpredictable but could only be better, in the case of Iran.   These are persians, not arabs.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:09 | 2246458's picture


Before its too late for what?


Meir Dagan has been described as "hard-charging" and "stops at nothing." For more than eight years, Dagan made full use of those qualities as chief of Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency, where he focused on keeping Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. When that job ended, Dagan did something unheard of for an ex-Mossad chief: he spoke out publicly, voicing opposition to Israel launching preemptive airstrikes against Iran's nuclear facilities anytime soon


Dagan: We are going to ignite, at least from my point of view, a regional war. And wars, you know how they start. You never know how you are ending it.

We went outside and looked out from his balcony at the bright lights of the very prosperous, modern city of Tel Aviv.

Stahl: If Israel does strike Iran, the retaliation would probably take place right here. Hezbollah could come from the north; Hamas could fire from the south.

Dagan: It will be a devastating impact on our ability to continue with our daily life. I think that Israel will be in a very serious situation for quite a time.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 07:47 | 2246752 Maghreb
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You'r a damn fool if you think collapsing the central government is going to free the liberal, west-leaning youth to go on and build an enlightened democratic state. Whats going to happen is the lights are going to go about and people are going to shit themselves and turn on each other. Then Millitias will take over parts of the country. Then an even more hardcore dangerous group is going to bring about order from the chaos that need never been and Israel will have a really irrational actor to deal with.

You are either stupid, here to give us all a rise or talking nonsense. Take a good look what happened in Libya and Iraq when they collapsed. Then take a good look at what happened in Germany when their central government went broke and found tiself fighting off rebellions during the period after World War I. Where did that go? They were sophisticated, they were liberal, they had high IQs, they weren't Arabs. What did they do when the state was collapsed by outside forces and order had to be restablished? 

You come ehre talking nonsense about Iran trying to destroy Lebanon but it wasn't the Iranians who armed the Phalangist millitias who went wild and killed tens of thousands. Was those high IQ Israeli's that did that. How the fuck you expect to build a multi-ethnic state after that? Israel and the Christians killed Lebanon in a spasm of violence. As for the sophisticated IEDs if you think Iraq and Afghanistan had'nt figured out how to make those a long long time ago or with pakistani help you are living in a fantasy world. Hell maybe it was the Iranians but alls fair in love and war especially afteer the U.S shot down one of their airliners. Those "zillions" of rockets aren't shit compared to the nukes.

This is Zero Hedge man from what i've seen no one gives a damn about how high IQ or liberal some people are. No one wants to see the economy implode because the U.S fucked up the Straights of Hormuz good and proper.

TBT man where the hell do you live and where the hell do you buy gas? You really support imploding the Western economy and western way of life so the ME can be democratic and Zionist freindly? I hate government as much as the next man and would love to see the millitary fight the police in all kinds of places. But i'm not paying for that shit however hilarious it would be to watch.........     

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 14:24 | 2247889 TBT or not TBT
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Take a good look what happened in Libya and Iraq when they collapsed.

Those were tribalised arab countries(which is to say, hopeless shitholes to begin with).    Iran has some minority regions, but the dominant persian culture is far more modern than in the arab countries.   Iran is a nation state with a theocratic government that, once deleted, can only be replaced by something better.   I don't know for sure what, but it won't be an islamic regime.  Most of the iranian people are disgusted with Islam, the mullahs etc.  They'll never trust such a group again.   Further, sharia and most of Islam is widely regarded as a foreign ideology imposed on a better people by force.  

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 23:38 | 2246324 jeff montanye
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yes he said that.  property crimes obviously piss him off.  murder not so much.  

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:41 | 2246418 TBT or not TBT
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Killing criminals in the act of thieving, by force of arms, is not murder.   It is justifiable homicide protected in many US states from prosecution or even civil suits.   In many it also covers use of lethal force by a third party to the crime.   This is natural law stuff, so you evidently wouldn't agree with it.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:12 | 2246461's picture

Killing criminals in the act of thieving, by force of arms, is not murder.


Somebody important once said: An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 14:27 | 2247897 TBT or not TBT
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This is quite a good first approximation of an effective and just justice system, as it starts with painful disencentives to bad behavior.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:25 | 2245917 Bring the Gold
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And if that property was originally stolen via say oh I don't know colonialism and imperialism then it was ok THAT time it was stolen? Give me a break. What a narrow and self-interested reading of history. Heavy on naievete and jingoism.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:33 | 2245936 TBT or not TBT
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Uh huh, and the british brought no capital, physical or human, to bear, to extract those resources?    The british invested nothing?    You know the answers of course, but you care not for private property rights.   Nationalisation is theft most of the time it is practiced, no matter who the owner is(was/were).

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:39 | 2245952's picture

Did you object on those grounds when the Bush Administration launched its war on Iraq and declared that Iraqi oil revenues would pay for our victory? Or do you only take exception with small timers who nationalize industries while the bigger crime of US economic and military hegemony destroys private property and self determination on a much larger scale?

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:16 | 2246384 TBT or not TBT
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Saddam was so big on self-determination and private property that he launched two big wars of annexation on his neighbors.  His party, the Baaths, were a Sunni minority.   The notion of the Iraqi oil going to build the economy Iraq for all Iraqis, rather than for a psychotique clique, was kinduva a novel idea, no?

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:48 | 2246432's picture

So you're answer is, "No, I don't give a damn about the private property of foreigners." No need to play coy. Just say it.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 08:10 | 2246779 Maghreb
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TBT You know nothing of Saddam's work. Kuwait was robbing him blind through the 80's siphoning of oil and putting taxes on Iraqi oil shipping that passed through the straights. A man with a reputation as the Middle East's most epic Bad Mother Fucker could not abide by that for long considering Kuwait is a bullshit neo-colonial construct anyways. Meanwhile Iran was all to do with defending the Middle East from the "Shiite-Communist alliance" something i think you'd laud him for. Saddam sent his people in to die to the tune of something like half a million defending property rights. There was also the very personal situation that the Iranians kept sending people to kill him.

If you would like to point out something he did AGAINST property rights i'm happy to give you a better argument to be used so you won't look silly. Forced relocation of the Kurds during the Anfal campaign to various new towns built scattered across Iraq. Sort of  like the Babylon captivity to break the Kurdish centre of power and keep Iraq united. He did seized their land to try and break down their identity and weaken their nationalist movement. Kind of like what the Israeli's did/do to the Palestenians. I'm not sure f the account of the "genocide" during Anfal were even true, he was never tried for that crime and no one ever found any of the 200k bodies. Alot of people beleive that the accusations of genocide are crap and that the Anfal dead are mainly Iraq army KIA's from the war with Iran. But i digress.........There you go you got something you can really talk about now, how Saddam was really a socialist, striaght up commie red bastard.


In the end Saddam thought he was going to be the Middle East's answer to Napoleon, the next big man to come from their since Sargon or something. It was enver ideological he flirted with Arab Nationalism, Socialism, Capitalism, Imperialism he even apid lip service to Islam. Saddam was jsut a man who liked power and was good at acquiring it, backfired in the end and hes gone the way of Ozymandius. But dn't drag him into your crazy little world were property rights are the be all an end all of the human condition.




Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:21 | 2246246 FeralSerf
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Like the time the U.S. nationalized half of Mexico in 1846?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:53 | 2246284 Ahmeexnal
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The Aztec Aliyah Bet has been steadily repopulating the occupied territories you just mentioned.


Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:16 | 2246386 TBT or not TBT
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Bitchez lost that one fair and square.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 01:13 | 2246443's picture

There you go dismissing property rights again. You can't adhere to a principle which you've espoused for more than a few minutes, can you?

When your principles stand against your rant of the moment you simply abandon them. Why bother feigning moral outrage when you so quickly breech the very ethics which you claimed to embrace just a few posts above?

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:19 | 2246391 Harbanger
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By your standards the US Nationalized 1/2 the North American Continent.  It's a boys game called winners and losers.  Can we roll back Nationalisation, just far enough to where the civilized world speaks that language of latium again,  I like their gladiator tradition.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:46 | 2246427 FeralSerf
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TBT OR NOT TBT: "Nationalisation is theft most of the time it is practiced, no matter who the owner is(was/were)."

Is not the U.S. government still the owner of record of most of the land that was confiscated, i.e. "nationalized" from Mexico?

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:57 | 2246447's picture

These fellows obviously have difficulty dealing with objective reality.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 03:15 | 2246539 TBT or not TBT
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Texas had a revolution against an awful dictator, and later joined the union.   That was a big part of the land that used to be mexican, and it seceded from Mexico in large part because of affronts to the natural rights of legal colonists of the land against a tyranny.   Sorta like the thirteen original colonies that became the USA seceded because of affronts to their natural rights, including propertyy rights but not only, as detailed in the Declaration of Independence.   The governments formed by these revolutions were not socialist.    They were huge on private property rights.  

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 09:23 | 2246892 creviceCaress
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yer a must dribble shit out yo mouth when you speak?  always close to being full?

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:01 | 2247173 jwoop66
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I posted elsewhere and it showed  up here. ???  Now I can't delete.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:04 | 2247188 jwoop66
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Toe to toe and they blinked first.   One of the oldest ways to start a brawl.  If you don't want to fight; or can't fight,  don't go toe to toe.  

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:06 | 2247194 jwoop66
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Ok, it happened again...  I posted this under the guy who said The US nationalized half of Mexico in 1846.   Why it is showing up here, I don't know

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 06:34 | 2246677 Maghreb
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Problem with this argument is that it is bullshit in the case of Peru, most of the wealth has and continues to be stolen by the ruling elite. as far as i know they have never rescinded that. Allende was a saint by any standards compared with Pinochet and Fujimori. They weren't protecting property rights they were simply serving the status quo that was formed via ignoring property rights for a few centuries. Alot of these Maoist groups were never anything more than angry pissed of people looking for help in stealing back what was rightfully theirs a few centuries ago. Taking away from them as much by theft,Capitalism and heavy taxation.  

Keep in mind Pinochet and his death squads didn't respect alot of peoples right to life, property rights are only worth something if your breathing. That sick fuck Fujimori was trying to forcibly sterilize most of the Indian population. I'd go collectivist before i had to have old testament genocide or people cutting out my women folks ovaries as nation wide policy. If it was ever about human rights they would have said something about Pinochet and Fujimori rather than cover for them. Fujimori is a straight up Devil, fucking college kids worrying about Kony when Fujimori had a UN USMARID backed sterillization program trying to wipe out the natives He is the future, hardcore neoliberal "capitalism" with cutting edge social engineering. Yeah hes doing time for Fraud or something, but his daughter is running for Prez and there are rumours she'll have him pardoned. TBT your living in the past giving us Red Scare crap from the 60's, we get the worst of both worlds now the Cold War is over.

Sad thing about the cold war was that the West hid behind "property rights" as an excuse to continue rob kill and starve large portions of humanity. Communists did the same in the name of fighting Capitalism. I never saw saw any of our Captains of industry fighting for our freedoms and way of life. I never saw the inner party starving due to government programs. In the end its a waste of time saying our bastards were better than their bastards. Bastards a bastard, they act like bastards, they rob and kill like bastards, they should be treated like bastards. the people who overthrew Allende and Mossadegh are no better than any KGB backed coup. Stop banner waving and condoning what we all know are crimes, if you beleive so much in Democracy and property rights we should be supporting people like Mossadegh and Allende and making sure our own Capitalist rulers don't just rob us blind.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 14:37 | 2247953 TBT or not TBT
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Property rights must trump democracy, else you end up with an impoverished tyranny.    Chile is in great shape today thanks in good part to Allende's bad end.    Allende, as it happens, one a plurality of the vote, just barely, not a majority.   So even by democratic standards(which is to say judged from a standpoint of mob rule) he had no mandate to go into wild socialism mode.   Personally I wouldn't care if he had over 50%, or over 75%, because property rights must trump democratic rights, else you get tyranny, misery.     Chavez has put Venezuela on that path, desastrously.   Foreign capital and expertise for taking advantage of their huge deposits of heavy crude are lacking, because, duh, Chavez and company are thieves.   Who cares whether they got voted in or not?   Cuba is a grinding misery thanks to same.   Zimbabwe is a nightmare.    Take a look at what the paleosimians did with Israeli businesses and vast greenhouses they voluntarily ceded in Gaza.   Trashed.  Dead capital.   Owners take care of their assets.   Looters destroy them.   They don't even strip them efficiently.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:04 | 2248505 potlatch
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I would say, voting about things is fine, and rights are fine, as long as the car is not driving headlong into the face of the sun.   At a certain point, a safe orbit, as it were, trumps voting and rights.  Unless you think rights give you protection against the harsher conditions of said natural life?  Me?  I'll stick with the USMC thankyouverymuch.  We need them on that wall, etc etc.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:22 | 2246031 Joseph Jones
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Yes.  This poster well demonstrates the reason Plato placed democracy one short step above fascism. 

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:06 | 2248516 potlatch
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Every form of government has that which can corrupt i.  For democracy, it is the allure and eventual dominance of vulgar thought.  Pandering to the servants is one thing; but you should not actually let them anywhere near the actual helm.  Everyone knows this.  Come on!  -- GOB Bluth

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:40 | 2246158 brettd
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Having an opinion doesn't entitle someone else to my skills, labor, time and treasure.

I own myself.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:08 | 2248523 potlatch
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There are those nasty laws of physiocracy however...  Crude, but yet, there they are.  Sorry, no one "owns" themselves, unless if you are speaking of what you are writing and thinking at this moment, and even there.  But really?  We are all land tenants.  Unless -- gasp -- have you learned to float?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:24 | 2245858 TruthInSunshine
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Operation Ajax = You'll get the "democratic leaders" we want you to have and like it, bitchez.   Memoirs of key CIA and British intelligence operatives

*It's not some conspiracy theory: It's just the historical facts, ma'am.
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:39 | 2245943 caconhma
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Propaganda vs. Reality

GEN Barry R. McCaffrey, USA (Ret.)

January 2012


The Gulf Confrontation: Conclusions


·        Iran will have a nuclear capability of a dozen weapons within 60 months with the missile and fighter delivery systems required to strike targets in Israel, the GCC states, and regional US military forces.


·        Iran has the naval power (mines, submarines, patrol/missile boats) and shore-­based anti-­ship missiles to close Gulf oil deliveries and strike Saudi/GCC petroleum facilities.



·        US air and naval power could neutralize Iranian naval power and nuclear production facilities only with a sustained attack campaign of several months duration requiring Saudi and GCC basing support. The Gulf Arab states would support this operation.


·        Iran has significant economic and political internal problems which when compressed by the recent US Congressional sanctions may cause it to implode at some point. Iran will not for any reason forsake its nuclear ambitions.


·        The Israelis lack any credible conventional military power to counter the Iranian nuclear threat. Their forced option would be pre-­emptive nuclear strike.


·        There is a significant chance of Iranian miscalculation resulting in major military confrontation in the Gulf in the coming 12 months.


Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:59 | 2246290 TheFourthStooge-ing
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caconhma said:

Propaganda vs. Reality

GEN Barry R. McCaffrey, USA (Ret.)

January 2012


The Gulf Confrontation: Conclusions


·        Iran will have a nuclear capability of a dozen weapons within 60 months with the missile and fighter delivery systems required to strike targets in Israel, the GCC states, and regional US military forces.

Thank you for the first half of Propaganda vs. Reality. We now bring you the second half. From Spinning Iran's centrifuges:

Iran is a signatory of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and, as such, is entitled to enrich uranium under IAEA safeguards, which it does.

Every year, the IAEA has confirmed that Iran has complied with its nuclear materials' accountancy. There has never been any diversion of nuclear material into any alleged weapons program. Ever.

The only "evidence" of Iran's nuclear weapons program is its refusal to grant the IAEA completely unfettered access to whatever facilities the IAEA would like to inspect. But since the Iranian government has not ratified the "Additional Protocol" agreement it has no obligation to open every door to the IAEA.

Far from marching towards making a nuclear bomb, Iran has repeatedly offered to place additional restrictions on its nuclear program well in excess of its legal obligations, including opening the program entirely to joint US participation and limiting the number of centrifuges they operate.

Iran could certainly take its stock of LEU and enrich it to a grade required for making bombs, but its LEU is under the surveillance of the IAEA - and has been for decades.

Diverting this material for military purposes would be discovered by the IAEA. So either Iran could cheat and get caught, or it could kick out the IAEA inspectors. These, then, should be the real "red-lines" for taking any tougher actions on Iran.

Hmmmm, I don't recall hearing any of this from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, CNBC, NPR, Rush Limbaugh, Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, and all the rest of the corporate owned news media (CONmedia).

[sarc] I just can't believe that such a wide variety liberal and conservative media could all be reading from the same script. [/sarc]

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:12 | 2248531 potlatch
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You are presuming that a benign status vis a vis these international oversight agencies -- which, trust me, thank god we have -- are the only "list" at issue here.  The issue is not "reasonable" use of tricky isotopes; in the case of Iran, the issue is "any."  Of course, you cannot find that in any manual or minutes of some agency.  The hammer has no manual, and keeps no minutes.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 23:24 | 2246314 hangemhigh
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"Mossadegh and Allende are two fine examples of rabble rousers bent, not on taxing extraction activities a tad more, but stealing them outright, powered by populist rage.    Theft.    End of story."

you know, dogg, that's the source of a lot of this conflict.  these stinking wog commie wannabe's dont realize that our guys, the A-team, they got there first and done stole that shit fair and square...........

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 02:14 | 2246507 deKevelioc
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Have a little Kool-Aid with that spam sandwich?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:43 | 2245678 Greyhat
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"Operation Praying Mantis was an attack on April 18, 1988, by U.S. naval forces within Iranian territorial waters in retaliation for the Iranian mining of the Persian Gulf during the Iran–Iraq war and the subsequent damage to an American warship. ... On 18 April, the U.S. Navy attacked with several groups of surface warships, plus aircraft from the carrier USS Enterprise (CVN-65), and her ASW/AAW escort USS Truxtun (CGN-35). The action began with coordinated strikes by two surface groups."


A piece of expensive nuclear crap wich is an open bill for the Iranians on the way to the persian gulf...

They should have renamed the USS Enterprise to Lusitania-Maddox-Liberty. :-)


Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:22 | 2245789 CompassionateFascist
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No, the Israelis are not going to torp the E. It'll be one of the smaller warships. Quite sufficient to get the ball rolling.

@Ahmeexnal: Obama has no control over the situation. Isrealis will time the war to destroy both him and Iran, & elect their 100% stooge Romney.  

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:50 | 2245836 ChrisFromMorningside
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Correct. When Obama met with Emperor Netanyahoo recently, he begged him not to launch the war until after November. The imperial seat of the US-UK-Israel axis is in Tel Aviv.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:39 | 2246044 Joseph Jones
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The great Revisionist Historian Michael Hoffman calls this the United States of China-Israel.

Why could/would not Obama or his surrogates communicate to Adolf Netanyahoo that we will shoot his planes out of the sky if they attack Iran? 

Possibly even more effective, but less likely: Obama's surrogates threaten to expose in MSM the real composition of Judaism, i.e., widely publish Talmudic texts like "Even the best of the gentiles deserve only death".  Oops, I forgot...ask JFK what happens when you cross Israel's Mossad (he ordered them not to go nuclear for the most obvious reasons, and as my dear aunt used to say, "And there we are...").

Oh, another thing: I suppose THESE hundreds of media luminaries might not agree to expose the truth of their "religious" dogma.

If we'd just obey President G. Washington's warning in his Farewell Address, we'd cut anchor with Israel and let them sink or float on their own.  Oh, what the heck did G. Washington know about foreign affairs? 

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 14:51 | 2248011 TBT or not TBT
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He actually couldn't know much about foreign affairs.   No one could.   It took months to receive mere written accounts of what was happening on the other side of the trade routes.   Nowadays a guy in a cave in Whogivesadamnistan can plan and execute based on far better, denser, more real time information.   And the multiplier on what any individual can do, damage wise, has increased manyfold, as has his ability to move quickly, strike nimbly.   

Now a rogue state, that's worse.  They can destroy your civilisation with resources available to a basket case economy.   E.G. North Korea.   Put a few 1960's technology a-bombs atop 1960's technology launchers and hide them in containers on container ships, launch with no warning, origin unknown.   You can delete the great satan.

Even more cheaply, some goons could follow instructions how to make the 1918 flu go airborn and cross infect, and one airplane hop later you have a mass graves situation and every worker that makes the economy go hiding.  

We have a different strategic scenario now, where every disfunctional psycho state's psychos are our next door neighbors, and they have easy means to harm us and our property.   There's no sane leaving them alone option.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:41 | 2246160 Onohymagin
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Should help in timing the next oil play;-)

(Used to drink at the Canny Man, dont think there is one in Brissy though)

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:29 | 2246053 q99x2
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Fortunately we now have the Internet and all the animosity that had been directed at the US is is being redirected away toward the Globalists families.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:15 | 2245584 infotechsailor
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where else in the middle east can you pass out drunk on a golf course?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:45 | 2245827 cossack55
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Great golf course outside of Tel Aviv. Yes, the Roman ruins are in play.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:57 | 2245982 New_Meat
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always amazed me that somehow, the causeway to Bahrain and access to Dubai clouded both Mohammed's and Allah's eyes.  There'z 2.  - Ned

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:29 | 2245630 ChrisFromMorningside
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In less than 200 years the U.S. went from bimetallism to bi-fiat. You got your Bernanke Bucks ponzi fed notes for Wall Street, retired baby boomers and The Tribe and you got your Obama Bucks EBT/TANF cards for blacks, college graduates and the unemployed. USA! USA! USA!

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 23:57 | 2246355 zebra
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instead of firing photon tropedo, Ben is firing up all the printers at warp 10.0

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 23:57 | 2246356 zebra
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instead of firing photon tropedo, Ben is firing up all the printers at warp 10.0

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 02:31 | 2246513 Hugh G Rection
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We control your media and have your politicians, judges et al, in our back pocket!

The Enterprise will be sacrificed at the altar of Zionism, Iran will be blamed, and the sheeple will accept it.

Resistance is futile.  Much like a Palestinian child throwing rocks at our Abrams tanks, you keyboard commandos think you can affect change by angrily pounding a laptop from mommys basement?  HAHA!  Get ready to send more of your Gentile spawn to die in the name of Corporatism and Zionism :).



Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:17 | 2248555 potlatch
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I'll settle for just in the name of a decent paycheck?  Jeez man, it is not complicated.  What part of "expansionism" do you find so bewildering you have to invent baroque conspiracies to explain?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:07 | 2246196 BLOTTO
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I also think that - short term - everything is on hold.

Just - strategic positioning - on 'all fronts'

Keep the numbers all nice and perverted and fudged to get Obama back in for his second term - which is not that far away... and than i think it will start really spinning soon after that

We have coming up the London Olympic Games, Queens Jubilee, US elections, celestial events - lots of shit is going on in the next few months... just get everything in position and there ya go.



Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:06 | 2245561 jwoop66
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Dubai is a fun town!

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:21 | 2245609 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Do they still use Pakistanis as their servants/slaves?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 17:34 | 2245650 jwoop66
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Sure.   There are indentured servants from all over  the world there.   That is how the middle east works.  It was all over Iraq too.  You never saw the progressives talk about that though, did you? Had  a bunch of Indians and Pakistanis working in the kitchens and laundries.  They go voluntarily, but their passports are kept by their "sponsors".   I talked to a few that had been there for years without going home. " When in Rome..." I guess.  Arabs don't do most of their own work(Wealthy Arab countries).   The people get govt checks and foreigners do the manual labor.   One more thing the media doesn't seem to mention...

Are you one of those who think white men from the US invented slavery?

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:06 | 2245750 TBT or not TBT
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"Palestinian" workers in arab countries are at an even lower station, typically.   For all their posturing about Israel supposedly mistreating the "palestinians", the arab countries treat palestinians like dirt.    The actual palestinian terrortories live in part off of generous subsidies from guilt ridden western countries...and off of...wait for it...Israel.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:08 | 2245878 john39
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maybe the isrealis should get the fuck out of Palestine so the palestinian workers can work in their own country.  Seems simple enough.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:11 | 2246011 jwoop66
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They would still have to indenture themselves to other arab countries because the last thing the palestinians have ever tried to do is form any type of stable govt structure.  This is not the fault of Isreal.  If they were smart they would spend ten years developing their enclaves into something functional then press forward with more demands, but instead they choose bombs.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:02 | 2246102 john39
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stable government structure?  like the structures working so swell in the U.S. or across Europe.  sure thing bud, lets knock the palestinians because they don't have that...   also, having a colonial parasite on their back hasn't helped.  but why sweat the details.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:50 | 2246172 Xkwisetly Paneful
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1000 years of war, most violent place on the planet in the history of mankind.

Just imagine how peaceful all would be if not for those damn evil zionistas!

Aslam Alekem Brothers.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:44 | 2246277 UP Forester
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You talking about the Eastern Med, the Balkans, the Horn of Africa, N/S America, or the Caucuses?

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 08:22 | 2246798 Maghreb
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What the hell are you talking about? Europe's the most violent place in the world we only stopped having constant wars at massive cost of human life 70 years ago. Safavids, Ottomans and various Arab empires and Kingdoms were quite chill as was the rest of the world. Then Europe discover the Nation State and ideology and boom, millions dead, mutually assured destruction and all that good civilized shit that kills masses of people really really fast. Hell the only reason why we have feminism in the west is because we killed so many of out men folk fighting wars someone had to run the arms factories.

Guess when the European wars ended? Same time the Zionists showed up in the Middle East.........

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:33 | 2247089 Xkwisetly Paneful
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What the hell are you talking about? Europe's the most violent place in the world


No it is not and it is not even close.

So why would someone pretend otherwise?

Maybe because the most violent place on earth has been the most violent place on earth long before the arrival of those evil zionistas.

But thanks for playing,

Aslam Alekem Brother.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:13 | 2247219 jwoop66
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Yes This is true.   Europe, up until recently (hiatus?) has always fought wars.   They have also built civilizations.   Huge cities, laws, public works that so many of you like.    Palestinians don't even clean up the rubble of their own cities, but they launch more rockets which bring more rubble which they don't clean then they claim victimhood.  Useless cycle.

The Ottomans conquered the Arab world and ruled with an iron fist. 

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:50 | 2245831 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"Are you one of those who think white men from the US invented slavery?"

Hell No!

I was just curious if anything had changed since I was over there in '93.

BTW, I remember reading a report a number of years ago (I can't remember the source) which concluded that over the known history of this miserable planet the white man had suffered under slavery much more than all others. I wish I could remember (they say it's the short-term memory that goes first, but I'm not so sure!).

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 19:11 | 2245886 taxpayer102
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White supremacists refer to their enslavement of undesireable whites as "feudalism".

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:29 | 2246139 disabledvet
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from the USA it was invented? hahaha. that's funny. you could argue "they perfected it to quite a degree" however...

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 18:03 | 2245740 TBT or not TBT
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The iranians use their own women as beings of a lesser station.   Professional women with the same qualifications and work history earn a third or less than their male competitors, and have little chance to win promotion.

Still, persian women are better treated in that culture than in most of the arab countries, by a long shot. For example in egypt around 90% of females have had their clitorises or that and chunks of their labia cut off.

Sun, 03/11/2012 - 22:20 | 2246235 Cathartes Aura
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and do you know why?

because the mens refuse to marry a woman who isn't sewn up for his pleasures, and they fear the female orgasm, hence the clit must go.

in fact, it's quite common for mens to get their women sewn back up if they're planning to be away for a while, safety reasons & all. . .

of course, amrkn women are revered and respected, *nods*

hence the common usage of "cunt" and "pussy" and "bitch" when chatting with one's respected friends - in fact, these descriptives are even popular with the women, who realise how sacred their genitalia is within their culture.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 00:53 | 2246441 TBT or not TBT
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Wow, you hang out with a classy crowd.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 21:29 | 2249243 Cathartes Aura
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mmm Hmmm, I was of course referring to the "classy" 'Hedgers, who sprinkle most of their angry rants with reference to female genitalia.

"classy" - I wouldn't exactly call it that. . .

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:54 | 2247346 jwoop66
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Mens?  is that latin?

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 09:18 | 2246877 Maghreb
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Iranian Ninja Women

Oppressed Arab women is myth, they are high fucking maintenance, your lviing in a fantasy world if you think its just beatings and oppression. Morrocan and Russian hookers make more money in a few days in the Gulf than Western women can in  a few months in Europe. The married ones just sit about doing Jack shit all day listening to Lebenese singers on Talavision. They are all jsut feeding up their husbands to die of diabetese in their 40's to get themselves a nice lebanese toy boy.........

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