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This Is All That Greece Needs
Listen up muppet masters - if you have put in a bid for that Greek jewel of Santorini on Ebay, it may be time to quietly withdraw from the auction. Because according to Georgia Tech, things may get rather shaky soon. Literally: "After decades of little activity, a series of earthquakes and deformation began within the Santorini caldera in January of 2011,” said Newman, whose research is published by Geophysical Research Letters. “Since then, our instruments on the northern part of the island have moved laterally between five and nine centimeters. The volcano’s magma chamber is filling, and we are keeping a close eye on its activity.” Because the only thing that Greece, whose primary business is tourism, needs, is for the biggest Cyclades tourist attraction to go up in a pyroclastic cloud.
From GAtech:
Newman, a geophysicist in the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, cannot be certain whether an eruption is imminent since observations of such activity on these types of volcanoes are limited. In fact, similar calderas around the globe have shown comparable activity without erupting. However, Newman says the chamber has expanded by 14 million cubic meters since last January. That means enough magma has been pumped into the chamber to fill a sphere three football fields across.
Should Santorini erupt, Newman says it will likely be comparable to what the island has seen in the last 450 years.
“That could be dangerous,” notes Newman. “If the caldera erupts underwater, it could cause local tsunamis and affect boat traffic, including cruise ships, in the caldera. Earthquakes could damage homes and produce landslides along the cliffs.”
More than 50,000 tourists a day flock to Santorini in the summer months (from May to October). It’s common to see as many as five cruise ships floating above the volcano.
Santorini is the site of one of the largest volcanic events in human history. The Minoan eruption, which occurred around 1650 B.C., buried the major port city of Akrotiri with more than 20 meters of ash and created Santorini’s famous, present-day cliffs. Newman says such history will likely not repeat itself any time soon. Such an eruption comes along once every 100,000 years, and the current inflation in the magma chamber is less than 1 percent of the Minoan blast.
An animation of Newman's GPS stations and the angles of movement is shown below.
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For a minute I thought the graphic was an image of the inside of Blankfein's front door.
I don't see any sheep among the sheeples on that island...
This movie shows physics-based computer simulations of the tsunami waves
from two volcanic explosions -- Krakatoa in 1883 and
Santorini (or Thera) in 1628 bc. Something like 35,000 people parished in the
Krakatoa tsunami. The Thera tsunami has been associated with downfall of an
entire civilization, the Minoans and of course, the tale of Atlantis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMe55hfSSgU
For more tsunami information visit http://es.ucsc.edu/~ward
Guess Zeus is releasing the Kraken because he is so pissed the Greeks have become such a weak and feeble people....
Lets send santorum to santorini then.
if the greek finiMini is about to explode, it might not be "secure enuf" for hisCandidacy to reside there, even in exile
Ultra bullish news, after the explosion we get to rebuild the infrastructure.
Glad I got to visit Greece when I did (2009) just before the elections. Eeryone was happy, no riots and great times.
Shit got bad fast.....
Lol, I remember joking with the wife as we were there that all people did was eat, drink and smoke (all while talking on their call phones).
Their airport secrurity was so lax that I even accidently got on the plane with a can of arousal (axe)...authorities in Paris nearlt shit their pants when we transfered there.
riots limited to Athens
Santorini and Mykonos are fine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIgjnmDmTBA
homeless beach bum enjoying natural beauty and food is happier than some investment bankster (ie. Greg Smith) selling his soul 100hours a week in rathole that is Manhattan pushing toxic derivatives.
In fact, low level banksters should be rioting against society for leading them to waste their lives and talent on corruption in prisons like New York or London.
True, but Athens is the gateway to the islands.
Strikes shut down the airport and ferries...kind of hard to get around you might say
Sounds like you prefer getting groped by the US authorities.
Absolutely bullish news. The Euros are finally learning the lessons from their masters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG9CM_J00bw
What, the English?
and Obummer gets one more excuse for his poor economy. The fall of the Santorinian economy.
can we get a banana slug pic, here, too, steve?
I thought it was a representation of greeces gold and the arrows showed the directions it went to...
Looks like a bunch of 'em pointin' t'ward Belgium...
FWIW -- Don't believe that nonsense in the article about "Such an eruption comes along once every 100,000 years."
That's patently false, and anyone who has read the Black Swan or at least understands the mathematics of calculating the probabilities for rare events knows that anyone who ever claims that something comes along "Once every 100,000 years" is almost certainly wrong.
Accurately calculating the probabilities of a once in a hundred year event is barely possible. The dataset is cosmologically sparse and the models simply don't work in any predictive capacity.
What we *do* know is that the last eruption was 3600 years ago. And that the near-term probability of another eruption is increasing. The rest of our prior historic data simply isn't that meaningful from a mathematical/probabilistic perspective.
Popo the Epistemocrat. You do realize that Taleb is just recycling the old induction problem hotly debated since Hume?
I agree - anytime I hear someone try to rebutt a prediction like this (a catasrophic one) - I assume only one thing - they are a paid government lacky. Anyways, using round numbers like 100,000 proves that these idiots have not done their homework. Numbers in nature never appear in 100,000's - that's a number contrived for human interactions because it is round and easy to remember. Reminds me of the TSA agent who said terrorists coming into an airport are 1 in 1,000,000,000 - (meaning there are 6 terrorists on the planet)....
No, it means there are 6 terrorists on the planet that enter airports. The others are non-airport-entering terrorists.
Interesting aside: Nature magazine (important in the scientific world) recently had an article about how yes, there are more large earthquakes lately, but no, it's not important because it is mainly an artifact of better equipment in ecent years.
Could be correct, or could be a normalcy bias wrapped in a rationalization. Amazing how people think nothing changes.
OT, but what is this, 1999? Human population topped 7 billion recently. Now, there's an extra "airport" terrorist out there completely unaccounted for!
Generally agree with you about the stats, though these are arrived at In various ways depending on the field. He did mention that the expansion of the magma chamber is a fraction of what it was before the big eruption (presumably there is geological evidence for this), so there could be a physical reason for the prediction of a lesser eruption. But even if the 100k period is arrived at this way, it still depends on an assumption of constant fill rate.
For most people, it takes hard work to to understand probability and statistics - particularly when and where they do or do not apply. The unscrupulous and the ignorant have made a grand mess on the Internet and the freaked out public (those bothering to read beyond the MSM) is as confused as ever. Tough to sort out the truth these days.
Stats are a big part of my profession. I assure you, interpreting them is like reading the scum the tea leaves have left behind in your cup. You can learn something from it, but because the concepts you define are always hostage to language (socially constructed, not obdurate), you can "con"coct some really stupid conclusions from a set of numbers and not even know you did it.
I sat in on a doctoral presentation once where the student had already defended and passed, she was just presenting her stuff to the department, lots of sophisticated statistical analysis. After she was done and everyone applauded, I raised my hand and asked the student, "Why do we do statistics?" She informed me that if you have a big enough sample, you can make inferences about characteristics of the poplulation from that sample. She had all the census data from a country regarding actitity of NGOs. ALL. Everyone. I then asked her if she had a sample, or a population. She stood there like a deer caught in the headlights. Everyone in the room finally caught on. The elephant in the room was that she had already defended, turned it into the graduate school, everything. One of the other professors in the room (Graduate Coordinator) defended her by saying that statisticians ran numbers on populations all the time. I stopped at that point, because anyone paying attention knows you don't run inferential statistics on a population because you don't need to, you know the value.
I have pulled that stunt three times in my years in the profession. None were as far along as this student, but it happens more than you think.
Even the stat heads get stupid bout their stat.
Okay... will the pranksters who have been moving the seismic devices knock it off already?
Go make some crop circles or something...
... or a turd's olfactory vector scheme?
Great opportunities for muppets to buy sea-side villas.
lava burns are transitory.
Is that a magma pocket in your shorts or are you just excited to see me?
Hot Lava bitchez!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG70rsLUjfQ
You can't eat lava!
That's just nonsense. Never heard of lava cake ?
Mother nature is not in the business of controlling magma inflation. Besides, Yellowstone's Super Volcano has been expanding too, and the magma chamber there has seen record increases recently as well. Here's one link of many about the topic:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071108141612.htm
The measurements showed that from mid-2004 through 2006, the Yellowstone caldera floor rose as fast as 2.8 inches (7 centimeters) per year -- and by a total of 7 inches (18 centimeters) during the 30-month period, Chang says.
"The uplift is still going on today but at a little slower rate," says Smith, adding there is no way to know when it will stop.
Smith says the fastest rate of uplift previously observed at Yellowstone was about 0.8 inch (2 centimeters) per year between 1976 and 1985.
He says that Yellowstone's recent upward motion may seem small, but is twice as fast as the average rate of horizontal movement along California's San Andreas fault.
The current uplift is faster than ever observed at Yellowstone, but may not be the fastest ever, since humans weren't around for its three supervolcano eruptions.
Damn! We're all gonna die! ....but, well yeah - we are all going to die. Toast! A toast - it's Friday and HappyHour has begun.
Good idea!
hmmmm....Hennessy or The Macallan?
Shit! End of the world? I'll do the Glenfiddich 21! Better drink it all before I'm gone.
If it goes again people will not be around for the end of this upcoming eruption.
...and if they were, they were unable to draw 'breaking news' cave art before they were immolated.
Now that the Greek economy is destroyed, why not destroy the nature? Does the vampire squid have earthquake inducers?
HAARP
So ionizing the ionosphere causes earfquakes?
Get back to Rense you nutter!
No, it is about heating the water underground near the faults. You know, a bit like "hydraulic fracturing".
The ionosphere is only useful to refelct teh waves back to teh earth,
Michael Moore could single handedly plug the hole.
Remember that "1000 points of light" quote:
"One moment there had been nothing but darkness; next moment a thousand, thousand points of light leaped out..." - C.S. Lewis
Apparently written for those who do not know what a million is.
...and a point has no dimension, so what exactly is it's magnitude and how does one know when it "leaps out"?
Ur so deep...I like it!
In astronomy magnitude is a measure of brightness, not dimension or size. a million? the price of a barrel of oil in a hundred years?
It may be increasing but its on zero volume so expect a collapse back to the new normal.
Pompeii...part deux?
When it rains, it fucking pours. Wow
LDS Lava Default Swap?
Hello Newman...
Hello Newman...
TYLER! Shame on you!! This event will be SUPER BULLISH for the global economic ponzi because the ECB and FED will print another trillion or 5 in ponzi cash and the stock markets will rally just like the 3/11/11 earthquake/tsunami/nuclear catastrophe. And with a little luck, and a newer verison of the iPad/iPhone/iShit coming out to keep the sheep in a comatose, everyone will soon forget the whole thing ever happened!!
I mean... DAMN! The Mayans ain't got shit against a mad man with a printer!!
MEGA broken windows, bitchez!!!
Zerohedge has this strange attraction to volcano stories...
Anything that ends with a bang has it's place on zerohedge.
All things devastation.
ATD
Yes, odd. Its not like volcanos have played any part in the HISTORY of the human species.
Nor do they have economic consequences, apparently.
Let this be a tiny lesson, folks.
This is why Greece has no oil. A few million years of quakes and volcanoes crack any caprock that tries to form that could trap oil beneath.
It's why Japan has none. It's why Hawaii has none. It's why the Philippines has none. It's why Greece has none.
There's that Italian cruise ship they can all escape on... er, wait...
fuck monsanto.............
http://rt.com/usa/news/occupy-monsanto-modified-congress-751/
That ain't nuttin'
http://www.boulderweekly.com/article-7856-antisec-dumps-monsanto-data-on-the-web.html
Monsatan... the most evil corporation in the history of mankind
you aint kiddin.... +1
aye, fk monsanto, and the Dow chemical horse they rode in on. . .
http://www.naturalnews.com/034492_Dow_AgroScience_deregulation_2-4-D.html
Maybe that animation is the spartans rising from the dead. They are pissed off over the default and loss of honor and glory. When they explode it will be real ugly. I am sure there are at least 300 of them.
That would be sparta.
Bascilla on one hand - Caribdus on the other.
WB7 - how do you gin this stuff up so fast??? You are an artisan.
Do not forget: Muppets form the crumbling bedrock of this volcano.
BULLshIiSHt!
I had this one in storage. But I could do another on a dime ;-)
I believe the magma chamber in your pictograph is growing larger than 5-9 centimeters per second.
Ur a talented dude, dude!
This is not a critique, because you are a Fu##ing genius, but the "Muppet" layer appears to be missing. Just saying...;-)
Secret: I had this in my vault. But I did slap it together originally when the Iceland volcano first blew up ;-)
lol put some pubs on it and call it the anatomy of the FEDcrack and then label it Bens Hen Den.
Stuff like this has me coming back to ZH again and again.
Actually, I figure this is all disinformation, intended to drive the sale price down so GS could make a nice profit - or is it TD?
As per another poster, this is basically right, except this is not the actual Firm, I mean, this actual Island. That is in fact Blankfien's outdoor back pool, the one out near the infinite field of sunflowers. Geothermally heated to his exact specifications. It's just needs a bit tweaking as you age; get used to it. Wait till he is in his 90's. He'll have it *way* turned up.
Hey, he earned it.
This is why I don't believe the global warming, climate change, humans are the problem bullcrap. Mother Nature is in charge, always has been and always will be, long after we are gone.
Do you think a carbon tax could prevent this?
More likely a strongly worded treaty.
It's easy to find. Start when the hole in the ozone layer was found in the early 70's. Then the data on why it happened. Just one of the thousands of acts humans do to outthink their survival instinct.
Time to put the good china under the bed and check your insurance policies.
ZEUS is striking back with revenge!
"Is Germany’s super-volcano awakening? We think so…"
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/is-germanys-super-...
Poof - and not a minute too soon.
Supervolcano...bitchez! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption
In a scenario like this, the consequences would be global.
"All it would take is a single crack in the magma chamber, the sea would rush in, cold water hits red-hot magma, instantly flashes into steam, pressure builds and then 'Boom!' Insto-presto - no more Santorini."
Kind of like what will happen at Fukushima when the corium finally melts all the way through the concrete floor, except Santorini would be a much bigger boom and a lot less radioactive.
Can I short magma?
Yes. Use asbestos currency.
I'll bid. The financial system will collapse before Santorini blows it's wad.
where there's shit, there's fire
Who said China has the corner on rare earth minerals? Mother Nature is about to mine "shiploads" of " Santorinite"!
I Blame Bush, the one with higher IQ, -160, Large shish for me
There is only one man who can save Santorini. The very same man that saved the world economy.
We all know who that man is.
Give him a snorkel and a rock-hammer.
Everything should be fixed before the next Club Fed meeting.
I am the Egg Man, I am the Walrus, I am the Muppet! Goo goo be joo!
Try Doc Klemetti if you want to know about vulcanology; http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/eruptions He is a professional bullshit exterminator.
If you have a smoker near you; http://bigthink.com/ideas/26619 This is every volcano webcam on the beach ball. So far.
Is that a EEG of Bernanks brain?
Finally Greece got some growth. The glass is half full Ladies!
Greece could export lava lamps and be saved.
Geothermal energy!
I hope it doesn't erupt...that would be bad for Icelandic air travel.
If Santorini sinks Greek GDP will go skyrocketing.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Hephaestos is pissed, break out the goats and virgins.
...nope, they've dedicated plenty of goats already -- Zeus will show himself soon!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leI7sfmipuI
History shall repeat itself in a far greater scale and therefore the benefit for the leading roles shall be much greater. If ancient Greeks won the battle against the barbarity of the East in favour of Europe, then modern Greeks are those who are meant to win the battle against the barbarity of both Eastern and Western world in favour of the human kind. The world has become a little “village” and in this “village” everyone knows what the character of the others is.
Read all about the global financial system and Greece here:
Global Debt Crisis
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html
World War III - The first private War in History
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/world-war-iii.html
Germany, the disgrace of Europe
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.html
Authored by Panagiotis Traianou
Don't fall for it. Once you buy the island, the next gub'mint will declare the title transfer invalid and repossess the island back. The Mexican and Spanish Gub'mints have been playing this trick for years, luring foreign investors there to buy $$$$ houses only later to declare the previous poeple "had no right to sell the property" as they declare all the transactions invalid and no return of your Moolah.
It's a great scam for them, sad for the buyers who are mostly retirees.
The prospect of an eruption on Santorini will probably bolster tourism. I come from the most tsunami prone town on the west coast and every single time those sirens go off you see dumb asses head for the beach to see the tidal waves. Never fails someone or some few gets killed because they went down to see the waves. There is no lack of people who will head to Greece if they think there is a volcano about to blow. If you doubt this then you grossly overestimate the intelligence and survival instinct of our species.
6.Sixth Seal: (6:12-17)
1.There occurs a great earthquake where "the sun becomes black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon like blood" (6:12).
2.The stars of heaven fall to the earth and the sky recedes like a scroll being rolled up (6:13-14).
3.Every mountain and island is moved out of place (6:14).
4.The people of earth retreat to caves in the mountains (6:15).
5.The survivors call upon the mountains and the rocks to fall on them, so as to hide them from the "wrath of the Lamb" (6:16).
Whoa....this is a rumbling caldera. Something that happens quite often on this planet. I was living 50 miles from Mt Saint Helens when it erupted, impressive but hardly " end of the world". Going to the Rapture seems a little premature don't cha think?
...and the Dow was up 135 points after a morning press conference with Ben Bernankes cousin.
The Dow closed down 2/100's. Sarah you are Light Years beyond reality.
Obviously, the Greeks should have taken up the Germans on that earlier offer to sell them an island instead of the can kicking debt deal.
The Earth just threw up in its mouth a little.
The Keynesian wet dream. Paul Krugman, himself, couldn't order up a better disaster.
tourism is all they got.
http://www.cnhedge.com/
http://www.jinrongbaike.com/
Bonzai. You crave what the market is giving.
You're content will outwit Warhal. Am I in line?
I've spent a lot of time on Santorini. My boss used to own a quarter of the island. It's an incredible place. I hope nothing happens to it. The towns of Fiera and Oia are perched right on the edge of 1000 foot cliffs with incredible views. I recommend a visit by anyone. Take the ferry from Piraeus. Flying in is a pain. There's no place else like it.
Fuck it. Would've made my day to see it explode the day after Greece flogged it to the banksters for a substantial slice of get the fuck off my land.
The Greeks are underestimated-and no one has heard the fat lady sing--when she sings, you will see the soul of the Greeks and we will all remember the song the same way we remember this voice, their soul, from over 3000 years ago !!!
History shall repeat itself in a far greater scale and therefore the benefit for the leading roles shall be much greater. If ancient Greeks won the battle against the barbarity of the East in favour of Europe, then modern Greeks are those who are meant to win the battle against the barbarity of both Eastern and Western world in favour of the human kind. The world has become a little “village” and in this “village” everyone knows what the character of the others is.
@Agrotera
Feel free to Read all about the global financial system and Greece here:
Global Debt Crisis
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html
World War III - The first private War in History
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/world-war-iii.html
Germany, the disgrace of Europe
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.html
Authored by Panagiotis Traianou
Dear Olympia, Thank you for the info you intended for me in your reply--can't get your links but if you dont mind, please copy and paste your info in another reply.
Best regards,
Agrotera
Dear Agrotera,
Hereby I send you again the links:
General Link
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/search/label/ENGLISH
Global Debt Crisis
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html
World War III - The first private War in History
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/world-war-iii.html
Germany, the disgrace of Europe
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.html
Hopefully now, you will be able to review them
Fear is damaging, immobilizing and can stifle clear thought as a fearful people often do not think straight. Some will give up freedoms and rights in order to gain freedom from fear.
All tyrannies, regardless of their origins, use fear to maintain their power bases. Most of the time, fear is used to control people in covert, unrelenting and all- consuming ways.
All around you is controlled by a force many have no idea about. You live in an invisible prison where many do not wish to break free because they do not see the bars. This system and prison has been created to enslave and control you and has done so for hundreds of years.
Yes. With regard to this place, however, it looks gorgeous, so if a sufficient number of morons are willing to sell their property cheap to escape a 1-in-a-thousand chance of disaster... I hope I know so I can buy up some preeeemo property.