All You Need To Know About The Aptly Misnamed US "Supercommittee", Complete With Trading Cards
While Europe stubbornly refuses to get off the pedestal of daily "risk On-Off" headline news disinformation, the time has come to shift our attention to the epic misnomer which is the US supercommittee, or the unelected sub-branch of the legislative body which is supposed to find $1.2 trillion in cuts to enact the debt ceiling hike that Obama passed in August so that America can spend itself into the drunken sailor coma. Incidentally, the country has already issued $700 billion in debt since then, and by the end of the week, total US debt will be just shy of $15.1 trillion. So at least the "benefit" of the debt ceiling, pardon, debt target hike has been implemented, if not any of the mandated budget cuts that are supposed to offset this. Unfortunately, they won't, because as the attached supercommittee trading cards created by JPM's Michael Cembalest demonstrate, as well as the associated Q&A from Goldman explaining all one needs to know about the supercommittee, hell has a better chance of freezing over than these 6 republicans and 6 democrats coming to some agreement.
From JP Morgan:
Are markets too focused on Prime Ministers and not enough on Economics? US super-committee trading cards
To get a sense for who is on the committee, we hereby introduce Super Committee trading cards. On each card, the color scheme is a proxy for each member’s ideological voting record as compiled by the University of Georgia in their extensive database dating back to the first Congress in March 1789. A Political Ideology Indicator (PII) score of -1 indicates the most liberal voting pattern, while +1 is the most conservative1. As you can see, Max Baucus (D-Mon) is the closest thing to a “moderate” on the committee, with moderate defined by +/- 0.2. The rest are closer to the ideological wings of their respective parties, lessening the chance of a “rogue move to the middle”, against the wishes of their respective congressional sponsors (e.g., the party leaders in the House and Senate). While the Super Committee only needs a simple majority to make a recommendation to Congress, it is unlikely that any member would cross party lines alone. This ideological make-up is admittedly representative of the Congress and electorate at large, but still, if the purpose of the Committee was compromise, couldn’t they have opted for members that were closer to the middle? So far, the only thing Super about this committee is the level of its polarization and lack of progress.
And to complete the picture, here is a comprehensive Q&A answering any and all supercommittee related questions from Goldman Sachs.
Q: What is the super committee?
A: 12 members of Congress who must decide on at least $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction. The super committee is made up of six Republicans and six Democrats from the House and Senate. It was established by the Budget Control Act (BCA), the legislation that raised the statutory debt limit in early August. If a simple majority of the super committee members vote for a legislative package, it will be forwarded to the House and Senate, to be considered with no changes or delay possible.
Q: What happens if the super committee cannot reach an agreement?
A: Automatic spending cuts kick in for 2013, but a downgrade seems unlikely. If the super committee reaches its November 23 deadline without any agreement, the process concludes. While this would be far from ideal and could weigh on sentiment, the practical near-term repercussions seem limited. There would be no near term fiscal consequences, but automatic spending cuts would take effect from January 2013. At this point there is little reason to believe that either S&P or Moody's would downgrade solely based on a failure to agree. Both rating agencies have indicated that while a stalemate in the super committee would be negative, they expect $1.2 trillion in planned deficit reduction to materialize through automatic cuts if not through the super committee, so their fiscal outlook should remain unchanged.
Q: Can the deadline be extended?
A: Yes, but this does not seem very likely. In theory, if super committee members are unable to reach an agreement by November 23 but feel that one will be reached soon, they postpone the deadline for a few weeks. However, this seems unlikely for two reasons. First, in order to effectively provide more time for negotiations, it would take more than a political agreement; legislation to the delay the deadline would need to become law. This could be attached to the upcoming "continuing resolution" to fund government operations (current funding expires November 18) or the super committee could pass an extension. Even if technically possible, senior members of both parties have indicated that an extension is unlikely, and in any case it is not clear that an extension would have sufficient support to pass the House and Senate even if one were desired.
Q: How will the outcome of the super committee change the medium-term deficit outlook?
A: Only modestly, if at all. The super committee process presents an important opportunity to reduce the longer term imbalance between the expected growth in entitlement programs and the revenues used to finance them and other government spending. However, a "grand bargain" to resolve this imbalance appears to be a low probability this year. Instead, the politically realistic outcomes range from no agreement to a deal reaching $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. While $1.2 trillion represents a meaningful amount of deficit reduction, it is important to keep in mind that the same amount of deficit reduction would occur even if the super committee deadlocked and automatic spending cuts took effect. So while a great deal of attention is being paid to the super committee, it is unlikely that deficit projections will change substantially following their agreement. That said, Congress is less likely to reverse any of the deficit reduction measures agreed to by the super committee than it is to reverse the automatic spending cuts in event of super committee stalemate, so all things equal a super committee agreement of $1.2 trillion probably implies a slightly lower deficit level over the next decade than if the automatic spending cuts were to take effect.
Q: So why is it important for the super committee to reach agreement?
A: It will decide how the deficit is reduced, it might extend expiring stimulus, and it signals whether the political process is functioning. At the most basic level, the super committee process is important to market participants because it provides a signal as to how successful future fiscal consolidation efforts might be. Indeed, our impression in speaking to clients is that many are more focused on whether the super committee is able to reach a deal at all than they are on the specifics of the agreement that is reached. If the process ends without any political agreement and no legislative product, we would expect markets to become more pessimistic regarding post-election progress on the broader structural fiscal issues that Congress must eventually address. On a more practical level, although the super committee may not affect the overall amount of deficit reduction--it seems unlikely that deficit reduction of more than $1.2 trillion will be enacted through this process--super committee success or failure will still decide whether the planned deficit reduction occurs through across the board spending cuts (if there is no agreement) or a mix of more targeted tax and spending policies (if a deal is reached). This distinction will be relevant particularly for industries with significant government exposure, like defense and health care. A final reason the super committee is being closely watched is that the legislation it passes is likely to be a vehicle for other priorities; extensions of the payroll tax cut and emergency unemployment compensation are on the table, as is folding a highway bill or farm bill into the package.
Q: How will the super committee affect the fiscal impulse in 2012?
A: It should have a minimal effect. The Budget Control Act (BCA) capped congressional appropriations, which is estimated to reduce discretionary spending in FY2012 by $25bn (slightly more on a calendar year basis). This amount is already included in our forecast. The super committee does not seem likely to change this by more than a few billion dollars. Policies outlined in the Biden-Cantor talks earlier this year would have reduced spending by another $25bn in FY2012; the Bowles-Simpson recommendations related to health and other mandatory spending--these are the most likely areas for super committee savings--would have reduced the deficit by only $6bn in FY2012. The President's proposal to the super committee, excluding his jobs package, would have essentially no effect in 2012. Assuming that the super committee is looking at the same sorts of policies these previous proposals envisioned, it is unlikely that the agreement would have a substantial effect on the deficit in 2012.
Q: What is the consensus expectation?
A: Market participants seem pessimistic. Our sense from client conversations is that most market participants expect either no agreement to be reached or a half-deal. Public opinion polling also shows a pessimistic view among the public, with only 24 percent of voters expecting an agreement. 32% of economists polled in the November Blue Chip financial survey expected a super committee agreement to become law. Our sense is that most market participants who do expect an agreement expect it to be a fairly modest one, potentially reaching only halfway to the committee's $1.2 trillion target. This is similar to the view we have had for the last couple of months (see for instance "The Fiscal 'Super Committee': An Agreement Is More Likely than Not," US Daily, September 28, 2011).
Q: How does our view differ from consensus?
A: We are slightly more optimistic than the apparent consensus view. While there is certainly a chance that the talks dissolve without agreement, it seems much more likely that the public pressure on super committee members and congressional leaders would lead them to salvage at least a bare minimum agreement rather than walk away empty-handed. While we do not believe a "grand bargain" is likely due to the longstanding disagreements between the parties on tax and entitlement issues, reaching the $1.2 trillion target does appear (just barely) possible without agreement on those broader issues. This would probably require an agreement to include some new tax revenues in the package, super committee discussions over the last few days imply that the probability of limiting some tax preferences has increased slightly, though new tax revenues still look likely to make up only a small part of whatever deal is reached. The most likely scenario in our view appears to be an agreement that involves specific policy changes reaching slightly more than halfway to the $1.2 trillion target, with most or all of the remainder made up through automatic spending cuts and potentially a modest amount of creative budget accounting.
Q: What is the super committee's deficit reduction goal, $1.2 trillion or $1.5 trillion?
A: $1.2 trillion is the key number. To avoid any automatic spending cuts from taking effect, the super committee must agree to at least $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction, which would probably mean just under $1 trillion in spending cuts or tax increases, and $200bn in interest savings. If the super committee goes beyond that minimum, the statutory debt limit is raised by a commensurate amount until total deficit reduction reaches $1.5 trillion. Thus, it is possible for the debt limit to rise from $16.394 trillion under a small super committee agreement to $16.694 trillion under a large deal. Although both numbers are seen as targets, most of the focus is on reaching the $1.2 trillion in savings needed to avoid automatic spending cuts.
Q: What is a spending "sequester" and how does it work?
A: Spending cuts known as a "sequester" are set to take effect automatically on January 2, 2013, unless the super committee legislation reaches its target. If the super committee achieves no savings, "sequestration" would total $1.2 trillion through 2021 including interest savings, or just under $1 trillion in actual spending cuts excluding interest. For every dollar the super committee reduces the deficit, the sequester is reduced by a dollar, so that if the super committee reaches its minimum goal of $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction, no automatic spending cuts would take place. Half of the spending cut under the sequester would come from defense and the other half from domestic programs. The distribution among domestic programs depends on the amount of the automatic cuts. For instance, under full sequestration of $1.2 trillion, about $125bn or so would be cut from Medicare payments to health care providers, and nearly $300bn would come from domestic appropriations. The remainder would come from the few segments of the "mandatory" budget that do not affect seniors, the disabled, or low income (this leaves education subsidies, agriculture, and health subsidies under the new health law, and a few other smaller categories). If the super committee agreed to half of its deficit reduction target, the Medicare cuts under the sequester would remain roughly the same, but other cuts would fall proportionately.
Q: If the super committee does not address the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance, could they still be extended?
A: Yes, but expiration would become much less likely. It is possible for Congress to address the expiring payroll tax cut and/or unemployment benefits outside of the super committee. After all, Congress deals with expiring provisions all the time, and typically just wraps extensions into year-end legislation. However, addressing these issues would be much harder outside of the super committee. The main reason is that Congress is under pressure to offset any new stimulus, and it would be very difficult to find the $160bn in deficit reduction necessary to offset the cost of a one year payroll tax cut and unemployment benefit extension. A second factor might simply be time; the super committee bill will not be considered by Congress until at least early December, so any attempt after that to extend the expiring provisions would occur only a few weeks before expiration. Our forecast assumes extension of the payroll tax cut but not of emergency unemployment benefits, though we see the latter as a close call.
Q: What are the key dates to watch for?
A: The next two weeks will be critical. On November 18, the current "continuing resolution" (CR) that provides funding for government operations expires. Another CR is likely to be enacted around that time, and we do not see much risk of a shutdown, as had looked possible around similar such expirations earlier this year. By November 23, the super committee must vote on final legislative language that has been estimated by the Congressional Budget Office. Failure to vote by this date eliminates the procedural protections for the super committee's proposal provided for under the Budget Control Act. Assuming that the super committee meets this deadline, Congress has another month, until December 23, to pass the proposal in both chambers of Congress. However, there is a good chance that congressional leaders will want to expedite that process, so the final vote could take place by mid-December.
Q: When must the super committee reach agreement, and when do the details become public?
A: Probably only a few days before November 23. Although the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has indicated that it would like two weeks to consider the budget effects of the super committee's proposal, most of the items that seem likely to be included have been under consideration for a while, and many have already been estimated by CBO. Drafting the formal legislation could take a few days and could overlap with the deficit reduction estimation process. This implies that an agreement reached as late as November 20 would still allow the super committee to meet its deadline. An official announcement of the details might not take place until even closer to November 23.
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Who put the trading cards together? The guys 10 year old son? The lines are off and John Kerry's is actually leaning left...which is actually kind of funny.
ahem, and now back to your regularly scheduled collapse.
MS Paint, FTW!
"the unelected sub-branch of the legislative body which is supposed to find $1.2 trillion in cuts to enact the debt ceiling hike that Obama passed in August so that America can spend itself into the drunken sailor coma."
this comparison is an insult to drunken sailors everywhere.
Our Republic is rotting. Congress has ceded its legislative authority to a committee that is hand picked and not representative of the nation. Democracy is dead, our Constitution is ignored. And the next one of these assholes that says they are "trying to do what's right for the country" should get punched in the mouth.
yes, that's what I thought, doesn't Congress delegating its undelegatable responsibilities unconstitutional? But since when has the that mattered.
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.yivo.org/pdf/kahal.pdf
Subpar subparidiots subparcommittee!
perfect! treding cards your kids can put in their bike spokes and splatter to kingdom come and feel great about after!
as opposed to still being all depressed about what happened to that '56 Mantle...
Yeah, my Mom threw mine in the trash, too. Along with my comics collection that would today be worth north of $30k. Which is far more than those bozos above are worth.
Not too hard to be worth $30k. Just imagine if you collected gold coins (not the chocolate ones, either)....
as with our newly found czar's, we now have a 'presidium', all from,... 'russia with love' - how quaint
Norm Scwarzkoff, FTW. he was the first real Czar (Ceaser) in America...
The Drug Czar, how true that was. Hah!
And is the male female ratio of the congress 1/12?
ORI
Caveat Emptor
Finally Democracy is dead , well we can get back to living in a Rebublic like it should be
the next thing you know Redpill, the Supreme Court will be ratifying unlimited corporate campaign contributions. It is dead and with it, solutions that work within this rotten system
Jesus had 12 disciples. Congress in an attempt to be everyone's messiah selected 12 to be fisher of men... er... taxer of men. I wonder which one is the Judas. Maybe there are 11 Judas's and one true disciple.
Ron Paul is not on the committee.
he couldn't be even if he wanted to be since he voted AGAINST the committee's formation
i may have enjoyed monday nite as much as you, baby_B...
...nah!
how dare he invoke the constitution. is this the same bastard who wants an honest banking system?
The question is: Who is holding the cards?
My guess is Alice Rivlin, former Fed Vice Chairman. See the Rivlin Domenci Debt Reduction Plan.
Ron Paul should be the deficit reduction supercomittee.
Wait, then something might actually be cut, unlike this made up "$1.2 Trillion Over 10 Years" garbage that means absolutely nothing whatsoever. We can't have actual federal budget cuts, what are you thinking!
Exactly! LOL. 1.2 Trillion over 10 years and the first 6 years will be 10 billion each year.
"Wall St Execs Boycott Restaurant After Famed Chef Batali Says They Stole More Than Hitler"
I don't blame those execs, doesn't that idiot Chef know where the stealing has been going on? Wasn't on Wall Street baby... The one dude who got it right got fired and now MNF has become totally unwatchable.
Ya, that whole checks/balances and constitutional Republic idea is too restricting, fascism is much more streamlined. I'm sure those 12, and Obama, know what's best for us!
<sarc off>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdCFnZ99YvA
LePetomane 2012
It's amazing how the US of Oligarkistan has to resort to a politburo to try and get things done
"There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican Parties."
No less true in 2012, than it was during the Election of '68. This Gang of Twelve is essentially the Washington equivalent of the Presidium. Absolutely shameful, how Americans have allowed their nation to descend as low as it has; electing those who would steal from underneath them the very ground upon which they walk, and the very clothes from their backs, if they could get away with it -- with a vote in the small hours of the night, of course: daylight frightens them considerably.
The "Dirty Dozen" = The bondfire of the banalities!
Yes Don, while it's illustrated that they have voted divergently on the "left v right" axis, the other axis of "libertarian v statist" is clearly weighed 100% statist.
Statists, every one of them.
( ! )J Hook Line and Sphincter
Shameful? (Btw, where is he?)
Dude, the ending was baked into the cake from the very beginning. For every certificate of live birth, no matter how much one may want to believe otherwise (or lose themselves in a fantasy of life ever after), there will be a day when an offsetting death certificate is issued.
The reason the US & the West are following previous historical cycles is that absolutely nothing has changed other than the actual players themselves. Now, you can act on this knowledge one of two ways: rail against reality, or use it to your advantage.
If you know the ending of the Ponzi is foretold, then the only variable is timing. That is the nut: how to discern the end-game. When I state that the game is controlled, please do not take it to imply that it can be manipulated forever. There are of course many variables, but a sure tell is overt lawlessness. The Fed/ECB may think they are buying some additional time, but what they are really doing is broadcasting the state of play in this particular cycle to those who are paying attention.
Every minute spent (de)crying over what once was (if it actually ever was) is a minute wasted. Do not mourn - rather, look confidentitaly towards the future, knowing that you have an enviable advantage.
Well put B9K9. The actions of lately are becoming more and more overt. Without a doubt that the end-game is accelerating. Positioning for what comes next is the key. And even 24 hours advance warning is a huge advantage. Of course, I am not talking about trading. Therein, a few seconds advance notice might matter! LOL. I am talking about the "real" world. Fuck the imaginary one. It is going bye-bye soon anyhow.
At least there's a token black guy.
+1
It is a shame that Congressman Pete Stark didn't make it on the Super Committee.
The fact that Jan somewhat resembles Borat makes the whole thing doubly funny... or sad. 100% surreal.
ps you can do video now?
Um, yes, since you arent as smart as me...and you clearly went to a shit college in a "territory" and not a state...and since I am all knowing and all seeing...clearly you shouldnt questions me when I say:
"Our debt shows how wealthy we are."
Ergo more debt = more wealth.
It doesnt matter that I dont want to raise the debt by trillions more. I want you poor. Or wait...I want you wealthy...no wait...I wont see another trillion of wealth paid to service a debt that take millions of wealthy people and makes billions of tax dollars into debt that is wealth that is creating success that is making ...
Well, anyway...you dont have a clue so SHUT THE PUERTO RICO UP!
This guy is a piece of HUMAN DEBRIS.
Wow. Pete Stark is an idiot. He knows nothing about economics. Spending the money you borrow does not make you wealthy anymore than printing it. It is sad to see what a bunch of ignorant shysters we have in congress.
When Stark says, "we," he is speaking of different groups at different times, so he is correct, and definitely not ignorant.
Our debt is their asset.
Read The Creature From Jekyll Island.
Also has to do with time. You can indebt the unborn. A cruel truth.
I know where you are coming from. But he is talking about the US debt being wealth to the US government.
Ah, the eternal question.
Yes
Stupid, the politicians.
Evil, the real powerbrokers who seek to divide and conquer us, via race, religion, social class, gender...
...and political party.
and a token women.
Where is the token Austrian?
must.avoid.all.white.sausagefest.
As always, it's hidden. In this case look at the initials on the voting record graphic.
FU DC RP
These voting records were obviously rigged by the Internet-savvy Ron Paul supporters in order to create this message.
Busy teaching his native language to our 44th White President.
And a woman...when it all goes to hell who do you think they're gonna blame?
Gold Horders?
What? That old tradition?
Gold hoarders are bad enough but the worst bunch are the Silver hoarders. They hoard the devils metal.
Are you postive that really is a woman and not a cross dresser?
Where is Barney, anyway?
Janet Napolitano Is A Man
Don't tell me they're going to wheel Erin out again?? I thought Fuldy already did her in!
Saw that. Of course a democrat. Notice there is also a female and hispanic among the democrats. All white guys on the GOP side, pretty clear how they will vote.
The same as the Democrats, but they'll pretend to have ideological differences?
by which you mean they'll vote how they're told. Every one of those fuckers is on the gravy, liking it from some masters hand. This kabuki bullshit makes me sick... bring the collapse already.
Exactly. Only after a complete collapse do we find out precisely what the "value" of everyone's labor is.
Nah, they're not licking that gravy from their masters' hands, it's more like Jack Black Joanzing in Tropic of Thunder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpqoNE2Q2ec
"Get over here buddy, lets do this..."
Trading cards.....Epic!
Kind of like the ones we gave our boys when we invaded Iraq. I think I'll print them out and laminate them......They may be......useful in the future.
I would much rather see trading cards of the super-bankers.
pods
No offense to the 9-11 victims, but can someone please find that Japanese airline pilot from the Clancy novel Executive Decisions? And soon?!?
So who is the Ace of Spades?
Lets make more committees so nobody knows who is in charge, it works for Europe
Epic.
Yes, execution by committee.
Ummm that doesn't change at all throughout centuries. It's always the one's in charge of the monetary system and guns.
Did you see this? Bernanke To Visit Army Base, As Fed Faces Weak Support: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/11/09/bernanke-to-visit-texas-army-base-as-fed-faces-weak-support/
Makes it so much easier for those lobbyist to "contribute" to 12 than 534...
I believe the word "committee" actually has a Latin origin: Its initial meaning, if I recall correctly, is "a group of fucking dipshits hiding within a group large enough to conceal how fucking stupid they are". Of course the origin could have been Greek but I don't know for sure.
Note that Romans went bankrupt only after meeting Greeks. While Greeks had those small city-states for hundreds of years and no laws much. So Greeks told Romans "Debt is money" and it all went south.
- Robert A. Heinlein
More good quotes from Robert here -- http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
I like this one...
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors — and miss.
Rally until the 23, then all hell breaks loose. The question is, which one of these "super-dupers" will become the "Mickey Mantle" trading card?
Heck, better collect them all.
These worthless pieces of shit are so worthless that they can be used in the spokes on your bike. I'm not talking about the trading cards. I'm talking about the actual members of Congress.
None. You can trade them all for one Bill Buckner card.
I thought they stopped making Garbage Pail Kids cards. Those are truly horrific.
Like those bad yearbooks they peddled "Whose Who of Corruption in America"
That committee is racist!
Mr. King would not approve of this at all.
...what...no stick of gum??
My cards didn't come with any bubble gum. I guess they using it to hold the economy together...
Who's the ace of spades?
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/ex-sc-gop-official-calls-pelos...
Ex-SC GOP Official Calls Pelosi C-Word On Twitter, Tells TPM It Was A Joke
@ToddKincannon: @TeresaKopec “The Crabby Cunt from the California Coast”? #NancyPelosi
@ToddKincannon: @TeresaKopec Or how about “The Botox Bitch from Buggeryland”? That seems to work for Nancy Pelosi too.
@ToddKincannon: @TeresaKopec Would you prefer Nancy the Crooked Whore? More accurate, but also more words.
Mwahahaha.
The Justice League, also called the Justice League of America or JLA, is a fictional superhero team that appears in comic books.
At least they had Zan and Jayna. Jayna looked like Marie Osmond in a purple body stocking, which I thought was great. Made my wonder twin power activate.