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America: A Government Out Of Control

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"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have"

Thomas Jefferson

Something odd and not quite as planned happened as America grew from its "City on a Hill" origins, on its way to becoming the world's superpower: government grew. A lot. In fact, the government, which by definition does not create any wealth but merely reallocates it based on the whims of a select few, has transformed from a virtually invisible bystander in the economy, to the largest single employer, and a spending behemoth whose annual cash needs alone are nearly $4 trillion a year, and where tax revenues no longer cover even half the outflows. One can debate why this happened until one is blue in the face: the allures of encroaching central planning, the law of large numbers, and the corollary of corruption, inefficiency and greed, cheap credit, the transition to a welfare nanny state as America's population grew older, sicker and lazier, you name it. The reality is that the reasons for government's growth do not matter as much as realizing where we are, and deciding what has to be done: will America's central planners be afforded ever more power to decide the fates of not only America's population, but that of the world, or will the people reclaim the ideals that the founders of this once great country had when they set off on an experiment, which is now failing with every passing year?

As the following video created by New America Now, using content by Brandon Smith whose work has been featured extensively on the pages of Zero Hedge, notes, "we tend to view government as an inevitability of life, but the fact is government is not a force of nature. It is an imperfect creation of man and it can be dismantled by man just as easily as it can be established." Unfortunately, the realization that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and absolute central planning leads to epic catastrophes without fail, seems a long way away: most seem content with their lot in life, with lies that their welfare money is safe, even as the future is plundered with greater fury and aggression every passing year, until one day the ability to transfer wealth (benefiting primarily the uber rich, to the detriment of the middle class which is pillaged on an hourly basis), from the future to the present is gone, manifesting in either a failed bond auction or hyperinflation. The timing or shape of the transition itself is irrelevant, what is certain is that America is now on collision course with certain collapse unless something changes. And one of the things that has to change for hope in the great American dream to be restored, is the role, composition and motivations of government, all of which have mutated to far beyond what anyone envisioned back in 1776. Because America is now saddled with a Government Out Of Control.

Watch the two clips below to understand just how and why we have gotten to where we are. Also watch it to, as rhetorically asked by the narrator, prompt us to question whether the government we now have is still useful to us and what kind of powers it should be allowed to wield.



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Sun, 04/08/2012 - 12:51 | 2326237 GOSPLAN HERO
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The Federal government has been growing its power since 1865.

The states are mere administrative units with no rights.


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 12:52 | 2326246 nc551
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It is all about violence.  We either have the right to live our lives the way we see fit as long as we don't hurt anyone else... or we don't.  We had a brief run at the start of the country but we haven't been free for a long time.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 12:56 | 2326252 AN0NYM0US
Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:30 | 2326315 economics9698
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“No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making other bastards die for their country.”  Patton.

When the fiat dies and the time comes to form new countries remeber this quote.  You are not allowed to die.  The other mother fucker dies not you.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:37 | 2326323 flacon
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We are moving away from a Human Resouce based global economy toward a Natural Resource based global economy. Either get on board or kill yourself - or Government will do it for you. Seeking "yield" is like trying to squeeze water from a rock at this point. The only ROCK that can save you is GOLD/SILVER. 

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:02 | 2326370 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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The US government is the greatest success story in human history. What originally threatened to be a no limits anything goes society became the richest country in history thanks the proper government controls. The government now has another great fight on its hands, just as it did in the days of the wild west and with the robber barrons. Now its the speculators wreaking havoc in global markets that must be reeled in, bought under control. I'm confident the government will succeed. I'll be working day and night - including overtime without pay in my job regulating small businesses - to make sure it does. People must learn the the true values of collectivism, either the easy way or the hard way.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:29 | 2326416 thedrickster
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Elaborate on the hard way fuckhead.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:38 | 2326429 Stax Edwards
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Where u been hiding out? Miss your comedic insight....nice headband LOL

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:52 | 2326445 NewThor
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Dear America,

I love you all.

Now please enjoy the official 2012 Easter song.

11th Dimension - Julian Casablancas

God the Universe please bless all things,



The King of America

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 16:35 | 2326572 Chief KnocAHoma
Sun, 04/08/2012 - 16:56 | 2326587 Michael
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"In a poem called What Must Be Said published last Wednesday, Grass, 84, criticized what he described as Western hypocrisy over Israel's nuclear program and labeled the country a threat to "already fragile world peace" over its belligerent stance on Iran."

Israel bars entry to Nobel-winning author Guenter Grass

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:41 | 2327108 Joseph Jones
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Hope you are well.  Happy Easter!

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 16:57 | 2326588 FreeSlave
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ZIONIST Jews, and their supporters in our government (most of the congressmen, and even more unelected officials) are running our, and other western countries. As long as we keep ignoring that, any aspect of our lives is not going to change in a good way. It is only going to get worse, and worse. If you REALY WANT to start making a change, you MUST start from NOT supporting ANY (in any elections) candidate who supports Israel. And probably the most important thing you can do is expose Zionism to others...

There is so much info about who runs our country, and many already know that. But it is our duty to spread the truth to the rest of us. Even the ones that already see that something wrong is going on in our country.

Here are few links to start from:

Jack Ruby was Jew




Sun, 04/08/2012 - 17:15 | 2326605 Waffen
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Not long ago I ignored the Jewish issue. However with some research you understand why generation after generation after generation across different cultures and ethnicities the Jews have been expelled.

At first glance you presume they are just the fall guys of history. However their destruction of our culture through media, the destruction of western art initiate by he Frankfurt school of Marxists. They destroyed our education. Bernays created a corporate culture of lies and deception to turn us into consumers.

They have destroyed our monetary system.

If they are not psychopathic on the individual level they are psychopathic in total.

The evidence is quite clear, I do not take sides on a whim.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 17:35 | 2326625 vast-dom
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you are an idiot that obviously doesn't realize that some of the greatest artists and creators were Jews. Ever hear of Kubrik, Einstein, the cohen bros. Google, Spinoza, etc etc etc etc etc.


what you may have gleaned was the wrong info as function of your limitations. please don't confuse isreal with jews as you would not confuse obama with yourself or any other american.....or would you?

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 17:52 | 2326649 Chupacabra-322
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Political Zionism:

The social movement which creates and sustains the physical nation of Isreal.  The driver for World Government through Isreal in the tradition of the Heretical Frankist Jews. 

 This definition is embodied by The Rothschild family.

 Not all Jews are political Zionists.  Not all political Zionists are Jews.

The political Zionist movement feeds off Jews in the sameway the the Nazi movement feed off the Germans.

Political Zionism is the greatest enemy of the Jews.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:08 | 2326955 economics9698
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That mother fucker Bernanke better be turning that hamster wheel as fast as he can because when the music stops there will be a lot of mother fucking bankers hanging from trees.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:35 | 2327091 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Dude, he has a helicopter. </sarc>

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 18:46 | 2326723 FreeSlave
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I am NOT against Jews. I am against Zionism!!! I am against anyone who support Zionism, because Zionism causes others to suffer.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 23:01 | 2327138 Baleful Runes 4 U
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It's hard to argue against the assertion that Israel is on "stolen" land.

But I think it's extraordinarily hypocritical for non-native americans who oppose zionism to sit comfortably on their "stolen" land, which came of a genuine genocide, and not for a moment consider they should also go back to where they come from.

Anyone care to tell me what the difference is? Is it that nat amer's get casinos now?


Mon, 04/09/2012 - 18:05 | 2329493 Raymond K Hessel
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Boo fucking hoo.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 01:23 | 2327286 Element
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Ah, but the zionists love to try to turn it around with a shallow spun claim that anti-zionism is really anti-jewish-ism.

Rubbish, how about this then;
-  I don't want a Buddist State.

-  I don't want a nominally 'Christian' Vatican-State, and I'm damn sure that Jesus had no wish to ever see such a murderous Machiavellian monstrosity that's been endlessly passing itself off as representative of Christ-ian-ness, who has made endless wars, with actual canon ball shrapnel and steel blade thrust into bloody living flesh, in Europe, and the Middle-east, in the name of Jesus.  To hell with that!

-  I don't want an Islamic-State, of any kind, especially a nuclear-armed one.  If Mohamed said it's alright to have a fundamentalist Islamic Global state, well the arrogant little prick didn't ask me, nor you, if it's ok.  And I for one say it definitely isn't ok, and it never will be ok to have such an Islamic Statist system--it would result in pure Evil and destruction on every level.

-  And I especially don't want any nuclear-armed fundamentalist Jewish-State, that is intent on holding a large portion of humanity hostage, to their exorbitant international stealing and racist violence, and their grievous CULT-ural demands they inflict upon the world, and the damage they keep doing to its peace and future disposition.

To Hell will all of the above 'religious' CULT-ural States (note the small 'r').

And quite possibly to hell with the JOO-Bankster dominated 'secularist' CULT-States (note the small 's') as well, for how have they ever been any better? ... these are at least as dissociable and wilfully murderous and 'evil' historically, as the religious ones have been.
I personally think that's a pretty reasonable sort of human outlook, expectation and sentiment, and to hell with any zionist arse who simply wants to paint that as anomalous, unreasonable, anti-'Semitic' or in some way be spun and quite deliberately misconstrued, within the respective zionist=JOO-controlled media outlets, and their collaborating butt-licking spineless co-criminal affiliates, as 'improper', unfair, or 'unjust', with respect to it being a valid and a NET-constructive and NET-beneficial human expectation, and a generally good and sound human sentiment.

Spin that, shit-eating zionist scum.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 07:27 | 2327443 onthesquare
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the history of the Rothschilds shows they have no loyalty to zionists or Isreal or anything else but world domination.  Sure it has taken a long time but they and their followers are all inbread, war mongering financiers.  They pitted the German people against the Ashkenisian jews just before WW1 and if it was not for the Russian Zhar they would have been in the USA financing both north and south during the civil war.  Opportunists take a lesson.  Read up on the origin of those dicision makers in the USA.  They all have roots to Ashkenisian Jews.  Coincidence?

They are so inbread and plagued with genetic dissorders and that may be the only relief we may get.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:09 | 2326760 Waffen
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The Frankfurt school intentionally destroyed art(in their own words) giving us Modern Art, which is not art at all(unmade bed, shit in a can etc) nor is it talent. Jews now completely run the Art market. Perhaps you should research it before you call me an idiot.

I don't like it anymore then you do, however I deal in reality not make believe, unicorns and rainbows.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:12 | 2327062 Baleful Runes 4 U
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"The Frankfurt school intentionally destroyed art(in their own words) giving us Modern Art, which is not art at all(unmade bed, shit in a can etc) nor is it talent."

Not really sure how you came to this conclusion.  Cubism, Dadaism, Futurism, etc were not created by the Frankfurt school.  How many artists do you actually think read those works? The genesis of modern art was a product of the zeitgeist, not some intellectual school that artists themselves did not read. So, yeah, what you said in that regard qualifies as idiocy to anyone who has knowledge in this sphere.


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 23:13 | 2327161 CH1
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These are trolls, sent in by some flavor of feds, deflecting attention away from the (disgusting) state and toward antisemitism.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 00:05 | 2327226 vast-dom
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the man is beyond ignorant. it's not even worth explaining anything to him. ZH is not immune for this kind of idiocy, unfortunately.


but then again it's not our job to teach the morons. though i do feel compelled to stand up to racism and hatred when i come across it. 


and Gertrude Stein was a Jew, Jew, Jew and was key supportor of modern art in Paris 20s, that is true. 

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 23:55 | 2327216 vast-dom
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modern art is not art? fucking moron! case in point. thank god hicks like you aren't the arbiters of what is or is not art. 


Mon, 04/09/2012 - 02:21 | 2327320 Waffen
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no modern art is not art anymore then a fat slob running a 45 minute mile is an olympic athelete.


Who decides what art is? Well for the 20th century it was the likes of Harold Rosenberg and Clement Greenberg

our MR Greenberg  "It is possible that by 'world-historical' standards the European Jews represent a higher type of human being than any yet achieved in history."


Who made Jackson Pollock(Jew) famous? Peggy Guggenheim who he "fucked" on a regular basis “To fuck her, you’d have to put a towel over her head. And she did want fucking.”


to say that Modern art is just created by the zeitgeist is like saying that women started smoking just because. No women started smoking because Edward Bernays convinced women it was cool to smoke "liberty torches."

modern art is popular with Jews because a non talent can make a crumpled bed and call it art.  Any Jewish person can do this.  Note that although Ashkenazi Jews have very high verbal IQ's they have lower then average visuospatial abilities.( yet making crap like these takes no such abilities

Interior of Everyone I have ever Slept With, 1963–1995, an iconic work by Tracey Emin,


 Damien Hirst, A Thousand Years


The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living by Damien Hirst (1991). Saatchi sold this work to collector Steven Cohen for $12 million, who in in turn donated it to the Museum of Modern Art.


This isnt art it is shit.

Interesting that a group of people with lower then average visuospatial abilities ended up being the big ART Critics of the 20th centuary.

most things do not just happen by happens chance



ART is ment to uplift the soul.. This is an excellent documentery on why Beauty matters


Mon, 04/09/2012 - 03:25 | 2327359 vast-dom
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You are a moron merely opining. You know very little about art and are fueled by hate. It's okay, there are clearly other morons trolling tonight and voting down sensible shit and voting up sheer hateful stupidity. 

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 03:36 | 2327363 Waffen
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Personal Attack
Appeal to Common Practice
Appeal to Ridicule

Personal Attack
Burden of Proof

Appeal to Belief




Mon, 04/09/2012 - 09:19 | 2327654 Element
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why Beauty matters



Loved it, thanks for the link.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 09:39 | 2327701 Waffen
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Your welcome.  Please pass it around.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 14:47 | 2328889 Jena
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Agreed.  Why Beauty Matters is a terrific documentary and it makes many valid points about the contemporary art world.  Listening to someone try to defend Jeff Koons early on was funny to me, because I don't think there is anything to defend, nor is there anything to defend in anything that Damien Hirst has produced.

Waffen, you might be interested in reading "The Painted Word" by Tom Wolfe from 1975.  The transition in the art world had been made so that the emphasis shifted from the artists being the ones that drove trends (a natural market) to the critics, collectors, gallery owners and dealers being firmly in control of who was selected to make the work and what those selected artists produced had already occurred.  He writes about critics Greenburg, Steinburg and Rosenburg and gallerists Leo Castelli and Mary Boone.  That was the start -- it has only gotten more so since.  

One critic that you might find interesting is Robert Hughes.  I think he might have some youtube videos as well as some books.  He was the Art critic for Time magazine for years.  His slash and burn article on Julian Schnabel was epic. (And pretty on the mark, I think.)

I think starting with Pop and Op Art in the 60's, artists and their masters removed all traces of nature from their work.  If you look back at any Warhol, Rauschenberg, Lichtenstein or any of the artists who were really big in the 70's you won't find a trace of the natural world in anything they did.  That's when beauty began to disappear.

Another book that is illustrative of why the art world is the way it is today is "Seven Days In The Art World", by Sara Thornton.  She spends a day at ArtBasel (a very high end art 'fair'), a day at Japanese artist Takashi Murakami's studio, a day at art magazine Art Forum (where they pride themselves on writing nearly unintelligable articles on mostly contemporary installation art -- of their advertisers, and (to my point) a day during the critique at Cal Arts, or the California Institute of the Arts, an arts college in Southern California.

This chapter is painful to read because it is so painfully vapid, vacuous, and pretty much a parent's worst fears if they were to pay $50K a year for a MFA in art.  The 'critique' is a wasted day where the class spends hours more or less talking about each other's work, with the instructor chiming in with a word or two.  Literally.  (It was written in 2008, I think but I don't think tuition has gotten any cheaper.)

Some here might rememeber that my husband is a working metal sculptor/painter.  When his clients tell him that they have a son/daughter/grandchild who wants to go to art school, he tells them they'd be better off going to a college and getting an education and getting exposed to other kids in other disciplines.  That's because in art school, all they're going to learn is how to dress, talk and act like an artist.  They won't learn or develop any skills that they don't already have.  And I write down the name of the book so the parents will at least know what they'll be in for if the spawn do end up going to some nest like Cal Arts.

And Waffen if you've made it this far, you should know that at art schools today, "beauty" is a word that is laughed at and mocked.  It is a concept that no one teaches, and in fact, they teach the opposite.  It's hard to do beautiful work.  It takes skill and  talent to do beautiful work.  It takes time to get to the point to where you can execute work that conveys emotion and beauty.  It's far easier to teach that beauty is an outdated concept and that ugly is far more interesting.  Plus, if you're not able to produce beautiful work yourself, how can you teach others to do it?  You ought to see the work that the faculty of these places produce!  I have because they show around Southern California, and it's crap.

(I would take issue with Jackson Pollock among the artists you cite.  Some are so incredible that they are mesmerizing when you see them in person.  Others have no magic at all.  I probably like other artists that you don't too, but there's no explaining taste, right?)


Mon, 04/09/2012 - 23:36 | 2330343 Element
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Jena, that was a great comment.  

I've despised most 'art' all of my life, especially the 'artiste' clique, but I've come to understand why so much of it is the morose, destitute nonsense that it is.  I went the science path non-fiction instead, and now I also know why science has also become as basically morose and destitute.

And for years it bothered me why any media outlet with their stunning resources, mobility, staff and technology available produces so much of the turgid drivel and propaganda that they do.

They want us focused upon ugliness, fear and assured statist fascist violence and oppression of the higher-aspirations of the 'little-people', whilst using the flimsiest and silliest rationales and stereo-types, idiotic characterisations, and shallow scripts, according to a crass 30, 60 or 90 minute formulae, because the bottom line is, they are telling us;

"Might-makes-right and the world itself is just a battle ground".

The ugliness of the revolting contemporary 'art' and the truly woodchip-able artiste's and their hyper-blather incites a demoralisation of humanity, along the way to that general prism from which to view the world.
That someone junked such a comment, without even responding, is the act of a vacuous coward.

Tue, 04/10/2012 - 15:31 | 2332358 Jena
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Thanks, Element.  In truth, there isn't much to like about the art world if all you see is the most prominent, most hyped and highly marketed work these days and that's going back the last several decades.  People have been rewarded for behaving outragously, so long as they did it in the 'right way'.  You have to look at a lot of art to find work that is based on an original idea, well executed, well crafted and well finished.  It's out there but there isn't a lot of it.  

Art is one of those rare professions in which a person can claim to be part of simply by saying they are one.  Those people are posers but it gives them a certain purpose in life.  Yes, you can study it formally or apprentice to someone or you can just decide to be one, and who's to say which is more right?  (I have thoughts on the matter.)  And galleries and dealers are no better.  If you rent a space, put down gray carpet and throw up some track lighting, you can get your inventory for free.  You don't have to have a background in art or sales, for that matter, because many artists are so anxious to get their work seen and (hopefully) sold that they'll consign it to almost anyone.  Art schools have turned out thousands of graduates in recent years expecting to be the next "stars" but these are the kids waiting tables who have no real skills and who have no concept of how to approach a commercial market because they've never been taught how it works because it is beneath them.

At a dinner party about eight years ago with the former chancellor of the MFA program of a prestigious West coast university that you'd recognize, she told my husband and me that members of her faculty told the grad students the average art career was about three years long:  One year to get discovered, one year to have your big show and one year to be a has-been.  That was the year she hung it up.  Average tuition at that time was $35,000/yr.  It's more like $55,000/yr now.

All of this is utterly ridiculous to my husband and our friends who are career artists, like him (not me, I'm not an artist.)  They went to school, got their degrees and then advanced degrees, and have built careers based on inspired quality work, great customer service, reliability, and excellent product for the price.  The crazy art world has nothing to do with them. 

I think that you're right, keeping the masses focused on anything but what really matters comes down to sensationalism in any and all forms.  In art, it's shiny, glossy, expensive, repulsive, disgusting, confusing, ugly, nauseating, cartoon/anime, lurid, coarse and downright scatological.  

And ah... hyper-blather!  You ought to read the artist statments that accompany these exhibits.  They are supposed to give some context to the work, or to the artist themselves or the process the artist used, or even the mindset of the artist at the time but instead they're filled with the blarney and most dramatic art-speak imaginable.  It's like they took a bunch of words, tossed them into a hat, picked them out randomly and typed them in the order they were picked, whether they made sense or not.  Definitely not.

As for junkers, you know what they say:  Everyone's a critic!



Mon, 04/09/2012 - 05:12 | 2327396 DevilsPrinciple
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You forgot to add unibrows at the end of your statement. i.e. " I don't like it anymore then you do, however I deal in reality not make believe, unicorns, rainbows And unibrows."

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 20:55 | 2326935 Talleyrand
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Yes, I've heard of Kubrik, Einstein, the cohen bros. Google, Spinoza, etc. I've no use for any of them. Seems you've made Waffen's point.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:14 | 2327069 Baleful Runes 4 U
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No Nathan Milstein or Vladamir Horowitz for talleyrand!

Too bad, you're missing out.


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 23:57 | 2327218 vast-dom
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that's because you are a rube. thank you for confirming. 

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:23 | 2326984 francis_sawyer
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When Spielberg starts making movies which expose Zionism (instead of 18 million ways to re-live the holocaust), I'll get interested...

Until then, nobody seems to bitch too much standing under the umbrella & out of the rain...

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 00:06 | 2327219 vast-dom
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Spielberg is lame. And it's not because he's a Jew.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 02:31 | 2327330 Waffen
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what about this one?

Schindlers List, Schindler is given a ring with aquotation attributed to the Talmud

"He who saves a single life, saves the entire world."  We all tear up...


now low and behold the real quote from the Talmud is

"Whosoever preserves a single soul of Israel, Scripture ascribes to him as if he had preserved a complete world" (Tractate Sanhedrin 37a)


a so as we see over and over in the Talmud, only the jews matter, not us goyim.  Nice for Speilberg to hide that from us.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 03:28 | 2327360 vast-dom
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you don't matter because you are a moronic hater; whole other debate. and in the end no one and nothing matters, so enjoy your hateful shitty little life son and maybe you can round up all the other troll haters tonight and do something useful, like get off the planet.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 03:40 | 2327365 Waffen
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are you a cultural marxist or do you just endorse political correctness out of naivete?


i gave you an example and you have nothing to add but personal attacks?

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 04:19 | 2327377 vast-dom
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cultural marxist? please do some more reading and less opining/posting. 

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 07:41 | 2327446 j0nx
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Dude, you are without a doubt the worst debater in the history of debating. Your retorts to Waffen consist mainly of personal attacks and ill-affected attempts to garner support in your favor. Personally I have no dog in this hunt but you are swaying nobody here and just making yourself look retarded. Game over for you, thanks for playing.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:43 | 2327014 dark pools of soros
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the cohen bros are hacks.. perfect example of chosen boy status being amplified to the rooftops

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 23:58 | 2327221 vast-dom
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hacks compared to Michael Bay, yeah sure....

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 02:43 | 2327333 TBT or not TBT
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Speaking of Michael Bay:   Pearl Harbor Sucked, And I Miss Youooo...



Mon, 04/09/2012 - 03:38 | 2327364 vast-dom
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Funny shit. Oh and by the way, the co-director/writer of that is uh a JEW! Must be the crappy dumb part of that movie that's his fault. Folks, tonight we have the highest idiocy and hatred trolling factor on the Hedge....

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 07:43 | 2327456 j0nx
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Agreed and a large percentage of that blame is taken up by you.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 22:35 | 2330221 Kobe Beef
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@ bast-dom: Yeah, thanks for your contributions, Troll.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 23:18 | 2327167 Joseph Jones
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Obfuscation is a part of the Judaic philosphy of deception and control.

Too bad for orthodox Judaics that their denials and false claims of "anti semitism" fall on so many deaf ears now.  Millions of us formerly stupid naive goyim have read the words with our own eyes.     

The holiest book in all Judaism (the Talmud) states that I and every other goyim, even the best of all goyim, deserve only death.  This passage is so clear and undeniable, and the Rabbis are so proud of it, and so attached and in love with it, that rather than apologize and delete it from the Talmud, this is their unbelievably stupid lie to justify it (as if there could be a justification): they falsely claim (lie) that the vs. has two words at the end, being "during war".  So their 'splanation is that during war, even the best of all goyim deserve only death.  That would be the following: innocent babies suckling their mothers, their mothers, etc.  

Sweet.  How anyone can stomach the mere site of a Rabbi I don't know.   

The Talmud also states that I and all goyim are mongrels, and the (Judaics) are the only human race.

The Talmud states G-d argued with the Rabbis and the Rabbis won.  Since then, G_d takes commands from the Rabbis.

Read Michael Hoffman's Judais Discovered.  

I don't necessarily want to immediatley forcibly remove every Judaic from the USA and send them to Israel or whatever.  But I would indeed be in favor of it, if they refused to acknowledge what's in their disgusting Talmud, and if they refused to delete the offensive passages.  

Ever notice how any and every religious doctrine is open to the most disgusting slander known to man, yet...if one questions whether or not God actually granted deed to physical Israel to these so-called Judaics, you are instantaly and forever a non-human anti-semite?

Any any and every theory is open to endless debate, satire, science goes back and forth, but questioning ("DENYING") "holocaustianity" (the highest and most sacred icon in all western culture) in Canada and 17 European nations is a criminal act in Canada and several European nation. 

Who else, other than Judaic Rabbis, can get away with passing a law criminalizing any disagreement with the Rabbis?

If the 1st Amendment prohibits the government from establishing a religion, how can we possibly establish a pure "Jewish" state of Israel across the other side of the world?  If establishing a government religion is wrong, it's also wrong to establish one some where else? 

Why/how is it smart to spit on G. Washington's advice in his farewell address regarding permanent relationships with unsavory nations, especialy the most hated nation on earth?

If ultra-fanatic hate monger Judaic Professor Debra Lipstadt wants to kill anyone who denies her sacred, holy Judaic "holocaust", why is not what's good for the goose good for the gander?  Debra denyies the allies fried 40k German innocent civilians, likely including babies suckling their mothers.  Does not our dear Debra deserve death?  

It goes on and on...NYC (no lie) gives special permission for Rabbis to felate babies during briss/circumcision.  At least two babies contracted herpes and died from being felated by these disgusting Rabbis.      

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 16:34 | 2329262 Gohn Galt
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Einstein turned down the Presidency in 1948 in protest to what was being done. 

Israel and the anti defamation league were plans from before 1900.  WWI was originally about retaliation for the Russian Tsars kicking out the banking cartels.  Then WWI could've been over but there was a deal to take Palestine and turn it into Israel. At first the banking cartel would only finance Germany, then a change heart for funding France and England to get Palestine. Germany could've been intact after WWI and USA would not have been pulled in to the war if it wasn't for this.  This ruined the German people during the 20's and led to massive deaths in Russia.  And if you didn't get this part Germany offered sanctuary for the Jews, gave them citizenship and treated them like brothers, only to be betrayed.

I believe that Hillel and Jesus were supported by most of the Jews.  Too bad for everyone that the Jewish elite is too much in love with power and control.  Their lust has cost countless millions of lives and has suppressed our knowledge and technology 100 years plus...

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 18:02 | 2329485 Raymond K Hessel
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I'm confused... who are the Cohen Brothers?  

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:18 | 2326969 ChrisFromMorningside
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The U.S. military and Israeli Mossad are cooperating with and training the MEK (Mujahideen-e-Khalq). The U.S. has also been flying drones all over Iranian skies for over 3 years, going back to the beginning of the Obama administration, long before Iran captured the U.S.'s RQ-170.



The MEK was previously allied with Saddam Hussein and is still, as of April 2012, listed as a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization by the U.S. State Department.

Don't forget that the U.S./France/England/the Gulf states gave material support to the Libyan "rebels," which included contingents of international Al-Qaeda fighters.

Why do we have a Congress if the military and Executive Branch are completely above the law and can brazenly and without question flout U.S. laws? How can Americans be so blind as to believe that it is Iran that is threatening the U.S. and Israel, instead of vice versa?

Welcome to the Imperial Presidency.


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:21 | 2327079 SMG
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Illuminati Ruling families are the problem, and they are not Jewish but Luciferian.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:41 | 2326432 disabledvet
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It is. It's friggin Texas Gunslinger again.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:28 | 2326458 NewThor
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Slightly off topic here,

while staying dead center on

the overall subject......

I dare say I am by far the most romantic Man here at Zerohedge.

That's cool.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:32 | 2326494 WonderDawg
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Not so fast, Romeo. I got some moves of my own.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 20:16 | 2326860 Cathartes Aura
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oh lawdy, please don't tell me yer a New Romantic?

oh how we did mock them for their garb.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 20:26 | 2326876 nmewn
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Ah do believe ah have the vapors and will surely faint dead away...catch me...(swoon)


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:25 | 2326989 Cathartes Aura
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thanks for carrying on the tradition sir!

I trust the visuals were self explanatory.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:44 | 2326436 e_goldstein
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(psst, pinko, the robber barons won).

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:18 | 2326477 NewThor
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hey, etrade goldstein,

this war has gone on since

the fall of Eden

and the Earthquake that split the Pangea

and the Word of God into pieces

across the globe.

What good is it to posses all the possessions

in the world, and

lose your soul?

You sound like an early 40's German

declaring total victory for the 2nd anti christ army.

that didn't 'end' so well.

The war ain't over.

Robber Barron Fuckers only win a battle,

for the blink of an eye.

I'm now inviting you to use your imagination,

think of Llyod Blankenfiend, Timothy Geithner or Ben Bernanke.

If they were born on this planet with their mammon souls,

80 times, every 50 years, for the last 4000 years on Earth,

it was only 'good' to be them about 3 lives out of 80.

When you keep the whole universe in

perspective, your beer gets a little colder.


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:43 | 2327110 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Yeah, I remember when I had my first beer...

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:50 | 2326441 prains
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you should put a beat to that shit and call it kookiphonic, you got it going in stereo

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:30 | 2326490 GeezerGeek
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MDB_ has

1) an imitator, or

2) an alternate name, or

3) an admirer following in his footsteps

You should be more careful, however with the facts supporting your collectivist fantasies. The so-called robber barons mostly succeeded by using the powers of the government to thwart the competition. Nothing like buying a Senator or two to make a company bigger and stronger. See

I don't mind your being a collectivist nearly as much as I mind such distortions of history.



Sun, 04/08/2012 - 18:35 | 2326716 NoClueSneaker
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... or competitor.

RoboTurder took a vacations, MDB & Co. taking advantage of the fact. Lube ads somewhere ?

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:00 | 2327037 Lednbrass
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There have been many. Before MDB there was Robo, and Hamy Wanger, and another one or two Ive forgotten. Math Man and Johnny Bravo were the same type, but I fear those two were actually serious.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:45 | 2326506 sitenine
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@ theMAXILOPEZpsycho

"Now its the speculators wreaking havoc in global markets that must be reeled in, bought under control."

Freudian slip?

Or are you just telling us how you really feel?

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 16:59 | 2326591 masterinchancery
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You are joking, right psycho?  If not.....

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 18:32 | 2326710 Smokey1
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You're too fucking stupid to regulate a lemonade stand.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:58 | 2326835 jimmytorpedo
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re: maxilopez

It's the Bernank on ZH!

and he's going to work really really hard to control us

overtime and without pay

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 20:29 | 2326887 BeetleBailey
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Hey Lenin: You're DEAD. Get the flying fuck back in your damned coffin under glass!

You show up around my business, I'll introduce you to Messrs Smith & Wesson.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:34 | 2327001 Pygar
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Collectivists must learn the true value of leaving other people the fuck alone, either the easy way or the hard way. 

Sadly, it usually winds up being the hard way. 

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 01:28 | 2327302 cranky-old-geezer
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People must learn the the true values of communisn, either the easy way or the hard way.

Fixed it.

Of course most of us here know this government is moving to communism fast as they can.

Why?  Because communism is the easiest way to loot the population into poverty, and keep them in poverty.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:39 | 2326431 LetThemEatRand
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And then guys like you will go start feeding at the public trough of whichever group wins the war you didn't fight, and bitch about the outcome.  Government contractor!  It will never get old.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 20:39 | 2326904 tmosley
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Any slave that advocates freedom while taking any form of support (food, clothing, shelter) from his master is a hypocrite.  He should just shut up and pick cotton.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:14 | 2326473 Revert_Back_to_...
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Sometimes folk songs can hit pretty hard.



Tue, 04/10/2012 - 00:01 | 2330386 Element
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LOL ...  Margaritaville with fascist scumbags

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 18:39 | 2326718 infinity8
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fuck yeah! throw me in the hoo-doo wagon already.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:10 | 2326278 Oh regional Indian
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Always a good time to remember Albert Pike and James Traficant.

As well as Lindbergh's (sr and jr) as well as Congressman McFadden.

No real men/women in CONgress or politics anywhere anymore. Only bought/paid for/blackmailable/criminal class in politics, worldwide.

Anyone heard from Cynthia McKinney lately or is she completely side-lined? 




Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:33 | 2326322 economics9698
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We do not like nut jobs and communist idiots. 

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:46 | 2326340 Charles Wilson
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Don't be so rude to Ilene!



Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:36 | 2326502 NewThor
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Do you ever notive how teenage and adult males in America are easily annoyed? It's like no matter what they do, they can never get their panties to fit right. So it's whine, whine, whine like a broken radio...

"I don't like McDonalds!"

"I don't like progressive American Idol runner's up!"


"I don't like nutjobs who believe what I don't believe!"

"I don't like communist socialist pregnant politicians who are democrats!"

"I don't like my soup, it is too cold!"

"I don't like pretty girls who don't like me!"

"I don't like poor people who don't pay taxes!"

"I don't like everything I don't like! It is annoying!"

Karma police, arrest this man,

he buzzes like a fridge...


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:17 | 2326966 Sabibaby
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Just one more thing the stupid BabyBoomers have fuct up!

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:26 | 2326412 Gully Foyle
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Asshole, what about Bob Barr who was squeezed out ny the Republicans because he actually believed and understood the Constitution.

By the way McKinney was in Iran recently and still posts her thoughts.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 16:44 | 2326580 economics9698
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"By the way McKinney was in Iran recently and still posts her thoughts."

Good for her, she found her calling, like I care about the blathering idiot. 

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 16:41 | 2326578 taxpayer102
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@Oh regional Indian

No publicity for Cynthia McKinney from corporate media since her reports on NATO terrorism she witnessed in Libya.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:02 | 2327045 Lednbrass
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Being antiwar in the US became passe after the '08 election. Its only cool when the Head Puppet has the Team Red logo on.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 02:19 | 2327328 Fred C Dobbs
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Thanks for posting this regional one.  I did not know that James Traficante went to prison for something else than being a crook.  He went to prison for being in power and knowing and talking.  

I did know about Alpert Pike as well as the Lindberghs.  McFadden I will read up on.  

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 12:58 | 2326253 Colombian Gringo
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It will never stop until the entire mess collapses under its own weight of debt and insolvency. Voting Democrat or Republican will never make a difference because they are simply 2 sides of the same coin; both parties  are controlled ultimately by the same group of banksters. Unless the entire system is eliminated and entirely replaced, nothing fundamental will change.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:12 | 2326283 Straying from t...
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It is the normalcy bias that keeps us from standing up for ourselves.  Separate yourself from the herd.  Soon there will be a new paradigm and those not aware will be fodder for the masses.  People do many odd things when you take away their future.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 03:24 | 2326327 AnonymousAnarchist
Sun, 04/08/2012 - 20:50 | 2326929 UP Forester
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And, in between stacking PMs and food, and learning skills that will make you useful enough in whatever world comes out of this, contact your CongressCritters.

Tell them to spend more, raise the debt ceiling, cut the debt ceiling, implement more stimulus, and cut Veterans Benefits.

Fuck it, tell 'em to go Full Retard, and LET'S GET THE PARTY STARTED!!!

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:36 | 2326501 GeezerGeek
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Did anyone beside me ever wonder how the two parties coopted the governmental election apparatus to have primary elections structured in such a way that most third parties and independents cannot become part of the act? It always struck me that parties should run - and pay for - their own primary elections with the government apparatus absent from the process. I guess it's just another way for them to control the results to the benefit of the Ds and Rs rather that the people in general.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 03:07 | 2327351 DollarMenu
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I found that out prior to the 2008 elections while trying to get Ron Paul to the ballot.

Attending the local Republican caucus was a real eye opener.

The levers of control are operated by the machine's Morlocks, from the creation of the ballot to the counting of the votes.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 17:00 | 2326593 ShakaZulu
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Collapse is correct.  The Collapser in Chief thinks he'll be sitting at the top of the heap.  Neo-Nazi's spotted in Florida?  As Celente says, "Future trends come from present events."

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 17:58 | 2326660 Chupacabra-322
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"When people have nothing to lose, they lose it."


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 20:53 | 2326931 UP Forester
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"When money stops flowing to the people on the streets, the blood starts flowing in the streets."

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:07 | 2326953 Talleyrand
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Hey, Gringo - after the whole mess collapses, why won't another rise to take its place? Always has in the past. No Utopia yet. Tell me, why is this time different?

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:04 | 2327048 ChrisFromMorningside
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We don't live under a Republic. We live under a Constitutional Monarchy. "The People" only really have influence over Congress at this point. The Executive Branch has been completely hijacked by multinational corporations and the Western Banking Cartel. The Judiciary has been stripped of most of its real Constitutional powers and is mostly there to collect revenue for the State and send people to jail. At the same time, the Executive Branch has made major power grabs. Congress is boxed in and only allowed to influence domestic social issues that are often of little real consequence. The real important decisions, when it has to do with war, the structure of our economy, our money, our foreign alliances, gun policy, government structure, etc., are made behind closed-doors by Executive Branch and military-industrial complex elites with no democratic input.

We need to dramatically pull back Presidential powers and end executive Signing Statements and all other unconstitutional rule-by-fiat nonsense. We also need to depoliticize and de-bureacratize military command structures and return real power to state governments and away from the feds.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 09:18 | 2327649 marathonman
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Agreed.  There is no way to get there though.  The voters protect their slavers and anyone threatening the herds feed bin gets trampled. 

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:32 | 2326420 El Oregonian
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones". -Albert Einstein

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 16:53 | 2326584 carbonmutant
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The basic problem here is that Americans have lost control of their Government.

Freedon isn't Free. You have to fight for it...

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:34 | 2326498 Cadavre
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It doesn't always take violence. It sometimes only requires a tipping point be reached. Think about it. The "beast" exists because "we" feed it. They've been trying to force  the commons to accept the the label as being a "consumer", The commons produces everything. The government, the "War Usury Exchange", it is they who are the "consumers".

The beast atrophies as we speak . It has been for a while.

If you've ever known a petty thief you may of noticed they are more apt to accuse someone of theft than someone who is not a thief. Terrorists are fascists terrorists that accuse the commons of being a terrorist.

Like the Aesop fable, "The fox be the finder, the stink lay behind her".

The criminals are afraid - 450 Million Hollow Point bullets purchased by DHS. Even the military and police don't use those guys. And they ain't for target practice. Why?

Fusion centers: Why?

Draconian rules based on the notion every American is a terror suspect: Why?

All the snoop laws and domestic surveillance programs: Why?

For sure, one or more of our employees, in our domestic spying agencies, will be reading these posts. I am sure their leadership thinks all of them are lockstep true believers - they're not. Chomsky offered a ratio asserting around 23% of any culture is predisposed to authoritarianism (he doesn't break that down to function, or "learned", and / or organic (hardwired"). The rest are "free thinkers", humans by choice! It's hard to believe, Americans, employed by Americans, in the government, do no see the ring of truth in what we are saying, yet, simply pretend to be "towing" the line.

The only military people we hear on TV are those anointed by the fascists. But there are executive staff people and a whole bunch, if we accept Noam's ratio, of "non political" rank in file we employ in government the mainstream avoids.

Our best hope for an orderly restoration and an "answer" to Justice required, short a popular "execution" by the commons of it's obligations as defined in the Declaration of Independence, may very well be our rank and file civil servants - even the snoops reading this stuff!

The politicians don't grease the wheels of (what used to be) the republic, It's the rank and file that hold everything together.

Who can say? Recently, a Reagan administration executive staffer, suggested a provisional government might be required, Who better to execute a bloodless coup thanour rank and file uniformed and civil service employees? They know where all the skeletons are buried.

Dr Paul, is backed by a super majority of active military - Why?

Was the Ft. Hood shooting a "revolt", and Hassan, the alleged perp, simply setup to be the patsy in a cover up?

We can't stop what is going to happen. It cannot be reversed. Dr Paul says the best he can do is mitigate the outcome. Everybody elses plan is "business as usual".

And yes, crazy people can be criminals too.

The restoration would require justice. We allowed it - but - we elected and paid megalomaniacs to pretend to fix it. We were blind and weak, THat was then, this is now.

The time of "pretense" has ended.

Ot is the pretenders choice now: Nasty and Unmerciful - or Civil Justice. Iven as the tootless lion cows it has to be coaxed. There is a Leonard Skynard song with a chorus asking for "three steps" ... "Give me three steps mister, give three steps to the door and I won't bother you anymore".

If the door the criminals seeks is their last hope for a "well paying crime", they got another thing comming. If the door leads to Justice, and the criminals accept it, the commons could be very civil - JUST DON"T COUNT ON THEIR PATIENCE TOO MUCH LONGER! Otherwise, one prospect might be, having ones throat slit, and then, as they depart this world seeing their children getting theirr heads smashed to mush as they scream for the mercy of hell!

Decisions .. decisions .. lets hope the criminals sense of survival helps them make the right decision.

If the republic is not allowed to pass control of the executive pen to Dr. Paul, it would be easy to assume that a decision by the commons to recognize it's obligations as per the Declaration of Independence will be based on how much they are willing to give up - but the beast - sooner or later - it will be slain - either in reeducation (fusion?) centers or, painfully without mercy, by the hand of the commons. Easy choice for most. The beast is pretty much a dumb f*ck these daze!

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:41 | 2326508 GeezerGeek
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450 Million Hollow Point bullets purchased by DHS. Why?

Maybe some Mexican drug cartel placed a big order.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:00 | 2326746 Calmyourself
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Umm point of order.. If that were the case Eric would have ordered them not Janet, carry on..

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:31 | 2326796 Karl von Bahnhof
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20% kickback

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:02 | 2326748 Calmyourself
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Lost me on the Ft, Hood thing none of the victims were armed so it would have been a piss poor "rebellion" anyway..

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:37 | 2326810 Dr. No
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Unarmed on an army base.  I still cant comprehend that.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 20:59 | 2326940 UP Forester
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Only on permanent duty bases.


Or if the SecDef is coming to visit.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:55 | 2327024 Cadavre
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Would Ft Hood be considered permanent base for all troops, like would the the recruits in basic and advance combat vs soldiers on alert and mustering for a redeployment? It just seems, that combat soldier deploying for combat would hit the the ground locked and loaded  - dunno fer sure - but if your`ins was king of the universe that's be what he do! Soldiers flying without guns and ammo is like sending two cargo ships, one holding left shoes and the other holding right shoes - if one of the vessels sinks ya got to find a market with a whole bunch of club foots to break even.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 12:38 | 2328356 UP Forester
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Ft Hood is a permanent base for all troops there, except the basic and foreign troops getting trained there.  Like all bases in CONUS and the ones the US has had overseas for the last 60 years or so, except Korea, you get issued the shit that goes bang when you get to the range.

Before I got out, I had a friend, another SGT, who was 10th Mountain and on the first plane to Kazakhstan.  They came out of the plane, locked and loaded, to be laughed at for being all "Hooah" by the CIA guys that had been there for the last 6 months.

I ain't sayin', I'm just sayin'....

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 21:03 | 2326950 Cadavre
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Lost me on the Ft, Hood thing none of the victims were armed so it would have been a piss poor "rebellion" anyway..

And WTC 7, despite not being hit by a plane, collapsed at free fall speed, into it's own foot print, due to thermal expansion. Right ...

Attack Lubya to protect 1000's of innocent lives ... right ...

WMD are in Iraq ... right ...

Yellow Cake in Iraq ... right ...

AL KADA in Iraq (not until Mossad, MI6 and US inteeleigence services set up shop). ... right ...

Deborah Palfrey hanged herself in a wood shed - so did one of her employees, but in NYC, afte,r then DHS fuhrer, Porter (the "portable toilet") Goss. spilled the beans in a brag hoping to compensate for a issues regarding his ability to "get it up"!

Like were any of us at Ft. Hood? Too much TV news makes us beleive anything. Why is it taking so  long to get the case into court?

Look at what facts are out there, The alleged spiritual mentor of the alleged shooter, an American, dined at the Pentagon, .. guessing since he and his son, both executed (murdered) without a hearing won't be at the trial, when and if, to counter any prosecution claims.

If you're still lost on the Ft Hood thingie, perhaps you'd be interested in an "Instant Water" franchise (Just Add Water!). The sh*t almost sells itself.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 18:02 | 2326666 batterycharged
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Is it just me or is there a huge ass conspiracy to hide the fact that the wealthy are the ones fucking up our nation and not "government"?

It's like you throw out "government" as if it's some entity on it's own, like it's the Grinch that stole christmas.

Gov't is a bunch of empty buildings occupied by parasites that do the bidding of THE ALREADY POWERFUL.

Without government, you would still have the Jamie Dimons and Jeff Immelts FUCKING YOU UP THE ASS.

Of course, when you blame that ethereal "government", you can then blame unions and social welfare. And then instead of directing our anger to the REAL THIEVES of society i.e. WALL STREET and BANKERS, we can blame black people and the poor!  Oh yeah and the unemployed and homeless. Oh yeah, and the people with college debt and no health insurance!

Yeah, it's a nice rouse, keep deflecting the real THREATS to society, the rich and corporate. And keep blaming this made-up monster called GOVERNMENT.


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:05 | 2326756 Calmyourself
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Without the Government I have choices with the government the choice is removed, Student loans for example.  Without Government the rich bankers have no one to bribe..  Wrap your head around the entire problematic conspiracy not just the part of it that doesn't give YOU free shit..

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:17 | 2326771 i-dog
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Without the guns of government, Jamie Dimon would never have been able to progress beyond managing a small local bank. Only government "licensing" of a restricted number of banks allowed the owners of said banks to become rich.

Without the guns of government, Jeff Immelt would never have been able to progress beyong managing a small local gunsmith. Only government "contracting" of arms manufacturing to a restricted number of corporations (another construct of government!) allowed the owners of said corporations to become rich.

The rich are only able to become richer by continuing to use the guns of government to protect their monopolies and cartels.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:09 | 2327056 Lednbrass
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Without the government they would have hit the ground at high velocity in 2008.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 22:01 | 2327040 zerotohero
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"It is all about violence" - that is an incredible sentence that is so true an one has to wonder what happened to allow this to be the norm. Violence is everywhere today and growing as a natural response to given situations by both authoritative figures as well as common citizens. What happened to peace and kindness? The world is more wrought with anger and violence at all levels that for many it seems to be a condition "first response". So sad that the world has become so quick to raise its hand violently rather than to shake anothers hand in peace.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 06:54 | 2327424 memyselfiu
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2 things- if you look back in history you'll see that the last 50 years was by and large the most peaceful in our existance, unless of course you were a brown person in the world, in which case nothing really changed.

That quote at the beginning of this article is by Gerald Ford btw, not Jefferson.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 08:29 | 2327530 Marco
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With plenty of land and natural resources to steal, sure there can be freedom and opportunity for all ... white people.

There is no more land to homestead though and peak oil came and went a long time ago in the US.

The past is the past, it was a time of plenty ... for white people. That's not coming back, regardless how efficient you make government, we are living in the time of peak fucking everything and it calls for different solutions.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 12:52 | 2326247 The Alarmist
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Gee, you think?

I thought we were keeping the States around to satisfy the influence-peddlers of the Collectible-Spoon lobby.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:27 | 2326313 Dre4dwolf
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On paper the states still have more power than the federal Govt.


People need to renounce Federal Citizenship and just maintain State Citizenship.


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:23 | 2326407 wee-weed up
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You might want to ask a goldbug about how much weight paper carries.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 17:52 | 2326646 Dre4dwolf
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Yes, the problem is always that bullets weigh more than paper.

And our govt used our own money to buy the bullets they intend to shoot at us.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 00:51 | 2327280 Bansters-in-my-...
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Well stop giving them your momey to by bullets to shoot yous with.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:39 | 2326813 Dr. No
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They tried that 150 years ago. They were killed.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:19 | 2326397 nevadan
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Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:19 | 2326399 nevadan
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The Founders left us a tool in the 10th amendment.  We have simply to claim it.


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This is the last statement in the Bill of Rights and was left to us as a failsafe.  It plainly says that any act of the federal government that falls outside the clearly specified limits defined in the Constitution is in fact--unconstitutional.  It places a few limits on state governments as well but leaves anything not so specified in the domain of state discretion, and the people are to be the ultimate arbiters of what government can and should do.  If enough people come to understand this change is possible, but not until.  Claim your rights!  Join the Tenth Amendment Center.


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 18:59 | 2326742 GOSPLAN HERO
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The courts ignore the 10th Amendment.

Mon, 04/09/2012 - 01:37 | 2327309 nevadan
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The point is, if enough people stand up and demand it the tenth amendment is still viable.  The courts will bend to the will of the people if enough of them call for it.  It remains to be seen if they will. imo it is the last line of defense. 

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:23 | 2326408 Gully Foyle
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For those who can read and understand Socrates has points that somehow have been lost.

Soc. Then I will proceed to the next step, which may be put in the form of a question: Ought a man to do what he admits to be right, or ought he to betray the right?

Cr. He ought to do what he thinks right.

Soc. But if this is true, what is the application? In leaving the prison against the will of the Athenians, do I wrong any? or rather do I not wrong those whom I ought least to wrong? Do I not desert the principles which were acknowledged by us to be just? What do you say?

Cr. I cannot tell, Socrates, for I do not know.

Soc. Then consider the matter in this way: Imagine that I am about to play truant (you may call the proceeding by any name which you like), and the laws and the government come and interrogate me: "Tell us, Socrates," they say; "what are you about? are you going by an act of yours to overturn us- the laws and the whole State, as far as in you lies? Do you imagine that a State can subsist and not be overthrown, in which the decisions of law have no power, but are set aside and overthrown by individuals?" What will be our answer, Crito, to these and the like words? Anyone, and especially a clever rhetorician, will have a good deal to urge about the evil of setting aside the law which requires a sentence to be carried out; and we might reply, "Yes; but the State has injured us and given an unjust sentence." Suppose I say that?

Cr. Very good, Socrates.
Soc. "And was that our agreement with you?" the law would sar, "or were you to abide by the sentence of the State?" And if I were to express astonishment at their saying this, the law would probably add: "Answer, Socrates, instead of opening your eyes: you are in the habit of asking and answering questions. Tell us what complaint you have to make against us which justifies you in attempting to destroy us and the State? In the first place did we not bring you into existence? Your father married your mother by our aid and begat you. Say whether you have any objection to urge against those of us who regulate marriage?" None, I should reply. "Or against those of us who regulate the system of nurture and education of children in which you were trained? Were not the laws, who have the charge of this, right in commanding your father to train you in music and gymnastic?" Right, I should reply. "Well, then, since you were brought into the world and nurtured and educated by us, can you deny in the first place that you are our child and slave, as your fathers were before you? And if this is true you are not on equal terms with us; nor can you think that you have a right to do to us what we are doing to you. Would you have any right to strike or revile or do any other evil to a father or to your master, if you had one, when you have been struck or reviled by him, or received some other evil at his hands?- you would not say this? And because we think right to destroy you, do you think that you have any right to destroy us in return, and your country as far as in you lies? And will you, O professor of true virtue, say that you are justified in this? Has a philosopher like you failed to discover that our country is more to be valued and higher and holier far than mother or father or any ancestor, and more to be regarded in the eyes of the gods and of men of understanding? also to be soothed, and gently and reverently entreated when angry, even more than a father, and if not persuaded, obeyed? And when we are punished by her, whether with imprisonment or stripes, the punishment is to be endured in silence; and if she leads us to wounds or death in battle, thither we follow as is right; neither may anyone yield or retreat or leave his rank, but whether in battle or in a court of law, or in any other place, he must do what his city and his country order him; or he must change their view of what is just: and if he may do no violence to his father or mother, much less may he do violence to his country." What answer shall we make to this, Crito? Do the laws speak truly, or do they not?

Cr. I think that they do.

Soc. Then the laws will say: "Consider, Socrates, if this is true, that in your present attempt you are going to do us wrong. For, after having brought you into the world, and nurtured and educated you, and given you and every other citizen a share in every good that we had to give, we further proclaim and give the right to every Athenian, that if he does not like us when he has come of age and has seen the ways of the city, and made our acquaintance, he may go where he pleases and take his goods with him; and none of us laws will forbid him or interfere with him. Any of you who does not like us and the city, and who wants to go to a colony or to any other city, may go where he likes, and take his goods with him. But he who has experience of the manner in which we order justice and administer the State, and still remains, has entered into an implied contract that he will do as we command him. And he who disobeys us is, as we maintain, thrice wrong: first, because in disobeying us he is disobeying his parents; secondly, because we are the authors of his education; thirdly, because he has made an agreement with us that he will duly obey our commands; and he neither obeys them nor convinces us that our commands are wrong; and we do not rudely impose them, but give him the alternative of obeying or convincing us; that is what we offer and he does neither. These are the sort of accusations to which, as we were saying, you, Socrates, will be exposed if you accomplish your intentions; you, above all other Athenians." Suppose I ask, why is this? they will justly retort upon me that I above all other men have acknowledged the agreement. "There is clear proof," they will say, "Socrates, that we and the city were not displeasing to you. Of all Athenians you have been the most constant resident in the city, which, as you never leave, you may be supposed to love. For you never went out of the city either to see the games, except once when you went to the Isthmus, or to any other place unless when you were on military service; nor did you travel as other men do. Nor had you any curiosity to know other States or their laws: your affections did not go beyond us and our State; we were your especial favorites, and you acquiesced in our government of you; and this is the State in which you begat your children, which is a proof of your satisfaction. Moreover, you might, if you had liked, have fixed the penalty at banishment in the course of the trial-the State which refuses to let you go now would have let you go then. But you pretended that you preferred death to exile, and that you were not grieved at death. And now you have forgotten these fine sentiments, and pay no respect to us, the laws, of whom you are the destroyer; and are doing what only a miserable slave would do, running away and turning your back upon the compacts and agreements which you made as a citizen. And first of all answer this very question: Are we right in saying that you agreed to be governed according to us in deed, and not in word only? Is that true or not?" How shall we answer that, Crito? Must we not agree?

Cr. There is no help, Socrates.

Soc. Then will they not say: "You, Socrates, are breaking the covenants and agreements which you made with us at your leisure, not in any haste or under any compulsion or deception, but having had seventy years to think of them, during which time you were at liberty to leave the city, if we were not to your mind, or if our covenants appeared to you to be unfair. You had your choice, and might have gone either to Lacedaemon or Crete, which you often praise for their good government, or to some other Hellenic or foreign State. Whereas you, above all other Athenians, seemed to be so fond of the State, or, in other words, of us her laws (for who would like a State that has no laws?), that you never stirred out of her: the halt, the blind, the maimed, were not more stationary in her than you were. And now you run away and forsake your agreements. Not so, Socrates, if you will take our advice; do not make yourself ridiculous by escaping out of the city.

"For just consider, if you transgress and err in this sort of way, what good will you do, either to yourself or to your friends? That your friends will be driven into exile and deprived of citizenship, or will lose their property, is tolerably certain; and you yourself, if you fly to one of the neighboring cities, as, for example, Thebes or Megara, both of which are well-governed cities, will come to them as an enemy, Socrates, and their government will be against you, and all patriotic citizens will cast an evil eye upon you as a subverter of the laws, and you will confirm in the minds of the judges the justice of their own condemnation of you. For he who is a corrupter of the laws is more than likely to be corrupter of the young and foolish portion of mankind. Will you then flee from well-ordered cities and virtuous men? and is existence worth having on these terms? Or will you go to them without shame, and talk to them, Socrates? And what will you say to them? What you say here about virtue and justice and institutions and laws being the best things among men? Would that be decent of you? Surely not. But if you go away from well-governed States to Crito's friends in Thessaly, where there is great disorder and license, they will be charmed to have the tale of your escape from prison, set off with ludicrous particulars of the manner in which you were wrapped in a goatskin or some other disguise, and metamorphosed as the fashion of runaways is- that is very likely; but will there be no one to remind you that in your old age you violated the most sacred laws from a miserable desire of a little more life? Perhaps not, if you keep them in a good temper; but if they are out of temper you will hear many degrading things; you will live, but how?- as the flatterer of all men, and the servant of all men; and doing what?- eating and drinking in Thessaly, having gone abroad in order that you may get a dinner. And where will be your fine sentiments about justice and virtue then? Say that you wish to live for the sake of your children, that you may bring them up and educate them- will you take them into Thessaly and deprive them of Athenian citizenship? Is that the benefit which you would confer upon them? Or are you under the impression that they will be better cared for and educated here if you are still alive, although absent from them; for that your friends will take care of them? Do you fancy that if you are an inhabitant of Thessaly they will take care of them, and if you are an inhabitant of the other world they will not take care of them? Nay; but if they who call themselves friends are truly friends, they surely will.

"Listen, then, Socrates, to us who have brought you up. Think not of life and children first, and of justice afterwards, but of justice first, that you may be justified before the princes of the world below. For neither will you nor any that belong to you be happier or holier or juster in this life, or happier in another, if you do as Crito bids. Now you depart in innocence, a sufferer and not a doer of evil; a victim, not of the laws, but of men. But if you go forth, returning evil for evil, and injury for injury, breaking the covenants and agreements which you have made with us, and wronging those whom you ought least to wrong, that is to say, yourself, your friends, your country, and us, we shall be angry with you while you live, and our brethren, the laws in the world below, will receive you as an enemy; for they will know that you have done your best to destroy us. Listen, then, to us and not to Crito."

This is the voice which I seem to hear murmuring in my ears, like the sound of the flute in the ears of the mystic; that voice, I say, is humming in my ears, and prevents me from hearing any other. And I know that anything more which you will say will be in vain. Yet speak, if you have anything to say.

Cr. I have nothing to say, Socrates.

Soc. Then let me follow the intimations of the will of God.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 23:41 | 2327201 Real Estate Geek
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And nowadays . . .

Dept. Head:  “I’m sorry to break the news to you, Socrates, but you’re not on the tenure track here at 21st Century U., because your . . . musings will never be published in decent, peer-reviewed journals. “

“But you could turn it around, Socrates, if you were to switch your focus to something culturally relevant, like how the patriarchy has been holding back our society’s deserving lesbian Epsilons.  Now that would be tenure-track material!”

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:12 | 2326457 Waffen
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The author downplays the importance as to how we got here.

This is counter productive. It is not hard to discover that this disaster was planned and guided for quite some time. By ignoring the culprits behind it, it makes it far to easy for them to continue to meddle as destroy our founding culture.

The oligarchs and institutions that brought this on MUST be held accountable, with extreme prejudice.

If the ford foundation, sierra club, rothschild banking cartel etc are not permanently dismantled then we will be merely pissing into the wind.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 12:50 | 2326243 Conrad Murray
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The Federal Government of the United States of America is out of control. It no longer represents the people. It is illegitimate and should be resisted, by any means necessary, at every turn. It is the right, and duty of every American at this point.

Stop paying taxes, stop buying "things", stop paying back loans. Hang the banksters and politicians.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 12:54 | 2326250 The Alarmist
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Looking for that all-expenses paid trip to a black-ops detention facility, eh?

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:01 | 2326262 Likstane
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I'd rather die standing up with Conrad than live out my days in servitude to the elite with people too afraid to speak.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:16 | 2326294 AC_Doctor
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The combined powers of the Constitution will allow the real patriots of this great Country to correct and rectify the injustices and renew the liberties that we were all supposed to enjoy, which have been corrupted and perverted due to our wreckless and power hungry politicians and the power and influence of the banking cabal.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 16:58 | 2326586 Tuffmug
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The ideals and blueprint within our Constitution have been negated by the Supreme Court. They have, via crafting of precedents from purposeful semantic misinterpretation, subverted a document designed to limit government into one granting it unlimited power. There is no branch of our government  which supports or defends the ideals of our founding fathers except that if they espouse limiting another branch it is to attain more power for themselves. The vast majority of our people want security and not liberty, unjust advantage and handouts and not fair competition and just rewards, and have voted in the politicians who will give these things.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:34 | 2326802 Milestones
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Well put--as far as you went. More than any one person, Chief Justice John Marshall (1801-1835) did more to destroy the constitution than any other man. It was Marshall who write the "commerce clause" and the "Health, safety and welfare" decision; it was the the enanuciating of the Doctrine of IMPLIED POWERS , which completely overturned the constitutional intent of ENUMERATED POWERS AS IN THE CONSTITUTION, and especially the McCulloch  decision of 1819 which turned out to be the lynchpin argument for implementation of the (ta-ta) my viral enemy, The Federal reserve Act of 1913.

It should be pointed out the McCulloch decision was argued by attorneys for 9 days; yet Marshall was able to get a unamious decision from the court and write a 36 page decision in 3 days when the decision was rendered. The decision was written before the trial was ever held--Marshall wanted a strong central government ; and he made sure he got it.

Further it should be understood; in that day and age all the justices "rode the circuit" listening to cases under there jurisdiction, and when returning to the capitol, all stayed in a boarding house, including Marshall, who as history has painted him as a very dominant man,

What we have is what the founding fathers wanted and what John Marshall, in his infinite wisdom decided what we needed.       Milestones


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 19:36 | 2326805 Milestones
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Well put--as far as you went. More than any one person, Chief Justice John Marshall (1801-1835) did more to destroy the constitution than any other man. It was Marshall who write the "commerce clause" and the "Health, safety and welfare" decision; it was the the enanuciating of the Doctrine of IMPLIED POWERS , which completely overturned the constitutional intent of ENUMERATED POWERS AS IN THE CONSTITUTION, and especially the McCulloch  decision of 1819 which turned out to be the lynchpin argument for implementation of the (ta-ta) my viral enemy, The Federal reserve Act of 1913.

It should be pointed out the McCulloch decision was argued by attorneys for 9 days; yet Marshall was able to get a unamious decision from the court and write a 36 page decision in 3 days when the decision was rendered. The decision was written before the trial was ever held--Marshall wanted a strong central government ; and he made sure he got it.

Further it should be understood; in that day and age all the justices "rode the circuit" listening to cases under there jurisdiction, and when returning to the capitol, all stayed in a boarding house, including Marshall, who as history has painted him as a very dominant man,

What we have is what the founding fathers wanted and what John Marshall, in his infinite wisdom decided what we needed.       Milestones


Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:20 | 2326301 Max Fischer
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You guys aren't standing up.  You're just ranting on a blog. 

You should have said, "I'd rather die after ranting on the internet, than live out my days....."

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 13:30 | 2326316 XitSam
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You have no evidence, one way or the other, as to anything else they may do. #logicfail

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 14:03 | 2326373 DosZap
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You have no evidence, one way or the other, as to anything else they may do. #logicfail

Someone have to draw you a MAP?..........................more tyrannical Bills/EO's have been passed in the past 120 days than in our history.

logicfail MY ass.

One more..............totally uneeded, unless their is a logical reason, and there is none.............. HR 347.

If you do not think these are going to be directly used against US, then your a lost cause.

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:00 | 2326451 disabledvet
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Can we still be Patriots and not be of Washington? Can we?

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 15:25 | 2326486 NewThor
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Did they teach you that Jesus was just ranting on a mountain?

And, did you ever get the girl?


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