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American Anger: 58% Say Are "Furious About America's Politics" Compared To 49% In January, 37% Support #OWS

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The Arab Spring, which yesterday claimed its first brutal televized murder, confirming that the new regime is unfortunately in no way more civilized or humane than the old one, is slowly gaining ever more traction, and those in power who think they are immune from the basest of human emotions like Gadaffi thought, even in so-called civilized countries, may be surprised to discover otherwise. According to a new AP-GfK poll, 37% of respondents back "Occupy Wall Street" and its various offshoot variants. As can be expected, "A majority of those protest supporters are Democrats, but the anger about politics in general is much more widespread, the poll indicates." What is more disturbing is that nearly two thirds of respondents are openly expressing anger with everything that is wrong in America, even if they can't quite place their affiliation with either the Tea-Party of the #OWS movement. "58 percent say they are furious about America's politics. The number of angry people is growing as deep reservoirs of resentment grip the country." The number was 49% in January - in other words it is rising with meteoric speed. And with the topic of Marxism lately quite prevalent if for purely intellectual masturbation purposes, perhaps the practical implications of Marxist "discontent" should also be considered, and the defining question becomes what will be the tipping point beyond which silent protest and peaceful occupation morphs into something far worse.

As for the actual broad sentiment, we couldn't agree more with the following statement:

"They've got reasons to be upset, they've got reasons to protest, but they're protesting against the wrong people," Jan Jarrell, 54, a retired school custodian from Leesville, S.C., says of the New York demonstrators. "They need to go to Washington, to Congress and the White House. They're the ones coming up with all the rules."

The following will come as no surprise to those who have been following the two core discontentment movements over the past years:

While the troubled economy is at the root of anger at both government and business leaders, there's a key difference. Tea party activists generally argue that government is the problem, and they advocate for free markets. The Wall Street protesters generally say that government can provide some solutions and the free market has run amok.


Of the Americans who support the Wall Street protests, 64 percent in the poll are Democrats, while 22 percent are independents and just 14 percent are Republicans. The protest backers are more likely to approve of President Barack Obama and more likely to disapprove of Congress than are people who don't support the demonstrations.


More generally, many more Americans - 58 percent - say they are furious about the country's politics than did in January, when 49 percent said they felt that way. What's more, nearly nine in 10 say they are frustrated with politics and nearly the same say they are disappointed, findings that suggest people are deeply resentful of the political bickering over such basic government responsibilities as passing a federal budget and raising the nation's debt limit.

And as Ron Paul loosely paraphrased, at the last GOP debate, another democrat before him, "it's the economy, stupid"


The protesters cite the economic crisis as a key reason for their unhappiness. The unemployment rate hovers around 9 percent nationally. Many homeowners owe more than their homes are worth. Foreclosures are rampant. And many young people - the key demographic of the protesters - can't find jobs or live on their own.

"They all have college educations, and some have advanced degrees, and they're unemployed?" says Alice Dunlap, 63, a retired speech language pathologist from Alexandria, Va. She supports the protests because, she says, anger lingers at those who profited while the nation's economy tanked.


"We all got ripped off by Wall Street, and we continue to be ripped off by Wall Street," she says. "You can look at my portfolio, if you like."


The poll found that most protest supporters do not blame Obama for the economic crisis. Sixty-eight percent say former President George W. Bush deserves "almost all" or "a lot but not all" of the blame. Just 15 percent say Obama deserves that much blame. Nearly six in 10 protest supporters blame Republicans in Congress for the nation's economic problems, and 21 percent blame congressional Democrats.


Six in 10 protest supporters trust Democrats more than Republicans to create jobs.


Most people who support the protests - like most people who don't - actually report good financial situations in their own households.

So who is the "minority" that has been targeted by the 99%? Or is it really 99.999% as BusinessWeek analyzes some of the finer nuances in what is now a full blow "poor vs rich" class war.

A better way of thinking about the Occupy Wall Street Movement, though, is to look at what happens at the very top, in the rareified upper reaches of hedge fund land. In his investigation of investment bank bonus payments for 2008, New York attorney general (and now governor) Andrew Cuomo, found that 774 employees of the top 5 investment banks took home close to $4.2 billionin bonuses. That report prompted extensive bonus rage. But here’s a more stunning number to compare it with: for the same year, the top 25 hedge fund managers reaped $10.6 billion in gains, according to Insitutional Investor’s AR Magazine. Let’s set those numbers down again:

  • 774 investment bankers: $4.2 billion
  • 25 top hedge fund managers: $11.6 billion

There’s more: in 2009, the top 25 hedge fund managers made $25.3 billion, and in 2010 it was $22 billion.


Measured as a proportion of the people in the top 1%, financial types might not be the biggest part. Move up to the very top, and the the share of those finance is absolutely huge. Maybe “We Are The 99.999%” is a more accurate sign, but Wall Street is the right spot for the protests. We may not be sure of just who makes up the top 1%, but who’s at the pinnacle is clear.


Still, exactly which part of the financial world is pulling in the most money is something that’s worth thinking about closely. The focus of popular anger, and of proposals for reform, have been mainly banks and bankers. But if the most outsized compensation is not, ultimately, in the big investment banks but at the hedge funds, it’s not clear that reforming the bank reform will markedly change this distribution—or resolve the central complaint of the protests.

All very good observations... and all quite moot. When the tipping point is reached, we doubt the unleashed codex of vigilante mob justice will care much to look at whether occupant of XXX Crown Lane in Greenwich put down $999,999.00 on their 1040 or added a few extra zeroes.

Just ask the Bolsheviks... Or Gaddafi.


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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:04 | 1798769 PaperBear
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Life in Libya with Leader Gaddafi

1. Electricity for household use is free,

2. interest-free loans 
during the study, government give to every student 2 300 dolars/month 

4. receives the average salary for this profession if you do not find a job after graduation,

5. the state has paid for to work in the profession,

6. every unemployed person receives social assistance 15,000 $/year,

7. for marriage state pays first apartment or house (150m2),

8. buying cars at factory prices,

9. LIBYA  not owe anyone a cent,

10. free higher education abroad,

11. 25% of highly educated,

12. 40 loaves of bread costs $ 0.15,

13. water in the middle of the desert, drinking water,

14. 8 dinars per liter of oil (0.08 EUR),

15. 6% poor people,

16. for each infant, the couple received $ 5,000 for their needs.


What does the governments of the USA and Europe have to offer Americans and Europeans ?

More debt and more taxes.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:09 | 1798785 anony
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Wonder why, then, all those other Libyans rioted, and killed him, finally.  Something you're not listing, non ami.

And he did take down that Jetliner over Scotland.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:14 | 1798817 MillionDollarBonus_
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 Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in the recovery, the cynics and the skeptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. But America is one hell of a country. This is a great economy and you should stand around and believe it. You should believe in our corporations, and you should believe in our government. I'll be a fan of America for as long as I live. And there are no secrets — this is a hard recovery and hard work wins it. So long live the American dream!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:34 | 1798994 Libertarians fo...
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I love the hypocrisy of the Republicans. Pure comedy.   

For the past two years, we've heard endless "battle cry" rhetoric about fighting for our rights and for the sanctity of our Constitution.  Everyone - from Republican senators and their carnival barkers (Glenn Beck, Palin, Bachmann, Rush) to small town tea partiers rallying in city centers with machine guns around their shoulders - has been trying to get a movement started against the malfeasance of our political system and the corruption on Wall Street.  Nothing like civil unrest to make the current president look bad, right?  There's a great evil at our doorstep, as Glenn Beck said.  We want our country back!  We must fight, even if it means blood in our streets!

<cue the fake tears>

Finally, the Republican wish comes true with "Occupy Wall Street," and the Republicans spend their time mocking and trivializing it. Why? Why the change in attitude?  With it aimed in Wall Street, it can't be easily manipulated as a right-wing political ploy, and that's why you always hear the Republicans saying to the OWS "You should be protesting in Washington, not Wall Street!"

Oops!  They finally got everyone pissed, but they're pissed at the wrong party. No! No! No!  Don't direct your anger at Wall Street, direct it at Obama!   


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:40 | 1799067 Lednbrass
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Rallying in city centers with machine guns around their shoulders? LOL

I support your right to stupidity, but you really do abuse the privelege. I can only hope you are doing a deadpan sarcasm comedy routine like Bonus. If not- yikes.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:51 | 1799098 knukles
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Methinks dead pan is not Bonus' modus operandi.  Subsequent to a number of direct exchanges, I believe him to be either unhinged or a paid promoter/troll.... serious as a fucking heart attack.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 01:14 | 1799583 comrade pravda
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Song of the 99%.

Don't decide who OWS are until you join the protest, listen to your fellow citizens and add your own voice.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 01:43 | 1799595 AldousHuxley
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Don't you know you're talking about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper


Wasting time in unemployment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion


Poor people are gonna rise up
And get their share


Finally the tables are starting to turn
Talking about a revolution



Sat, 10/22/2011 - 11:10 | 1799884 Manthong
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..on second thought, not worth wasting the brain space.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:52 | 1800167 Thomas
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I had an allergic reaction to this writeup. It seems to couch the discontent in terms that are slanted at the richest folks. I personally am not pissed at the hedge funds. We didn't have to bail them out. I am pissed at the Wall Street bankers, who are anything but clever and unworthy of their booty. I find the discussions with the Arabs also biasing. This looks like typical red-herring journalism to me.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 18:11 | 1800494 i-dog
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If you read Tyler's post carefully, you'll note that his conclusion is that once the tumbrils start rolling and Madame deFarge starts knitting, it won't matter whether you're in the top 1%, 0.1%, or 0.00001%, you're still going to lose your head!

Indeed, once "the Revolution" goes nation-wide, the mob won't be satisfied until the top 20% has been looted. (At least, that's how I read it!)

The fact that those who planned the destruction of the economy, and profited most from it, neither live in the country nor have any significant assets left in the country seems to have been completely overlooked by the mob!

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:01 | 1799741 Lednbrass
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Possible- and I could be wrong- but I think its Hamy Wanger in another guise.  He had an incarnation before that spoofing Johnny Bravo/MathMan types I think also. There are subtle choices in the words that read as shtick to me.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:55 | 1799110 macholatte
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That's Yellow Hitler with a Ron Paul avatar. He/it has only one eye and can barely see 2 dimensions so everybody has to be put into a pigeon hole. You're either a Progressive masquerading as a Democrat or scum. He/it is living proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:43 | 1799076 divide_by_zero
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The OWS are Soros' people, dumbass

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:47 | 1799084 Henry Chinaski
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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:49 | 1799092 Libertarians fo...
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Of course. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:54 | 1799205 Rynak
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kleptocracy sockpuppet circle jerk bukkake! Yay, we so totally agree with each other! Don't you want to join in? Brain amputations for free*!


* No, just kidding, free only unless no amputation needed, further more, you have to enter an <N> years long contract, and forfeit any "accidents" during that timespan, and also you have to sign an NDA beyond your employment timespan, and also further fees apply if you fail to meet additional quota arbitrarily decided by us, also, in case you fail our obligations, we reserve the right to kill your mom and foreclosure everything you own not nailed down, and further more..... well, on the other hand, you can always sign up to our flatrate offer - sure, the pay isn't as high, but as long as you just spew garbage, we'll pay 1$ for every unit of 100 posts, that do nothing else than cause braindead noise in enemy services.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:54 | 1799774 midtowng
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Now someone has to tell the OWS that they are Soros' people. I'm pretty sure they don't know it yet.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:27 | 1799182 fuu
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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:07 | 1799451 Tater Salad
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Hippies have been pissed since the 60's, how's that new?

Get your facts straight libtard

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:39 | 1799507 Canaduh
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Those gosh darn hippies...wonder why they popped up.....


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 00:51 | 1799568 Dr Bob
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wow, your really confused arent you? OWS is obama, is soros, is communism/marxism. it is the complete opposite of the Tea Party (and i dont support them either). 

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 05:15 | 1799679 falak pema
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could it have even titilated your clever brain that OWS are every day people concerned about their livelihood which is disappearing from under their feet?

That they do no have a political agenda, but more so an economic and social one? 

Why always paint facts with a tarred brush of ideological and 'bogeyman' logic? The typical American knee-jerk : injuns, commies, niggers, sand niggers, now OWS marxists! TAke off your politically biased lens and see life as it is, not as it pleases you to think it is. 

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:21 | 1799754 Absinthe Minded
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Everything is not a conspiracy. If it were there would be a lot more organization. Everybody bitches about them not having a leader or unified message, that's the point, there are so many things wrong you can't focus on one thing. You've got the deporting off jobs for higher profits. You've got the banks taking huge bonuses after they almost burn the place to he ground. You've got the clueless SEC, corrupt CME, idiot FED, I could go on and on but I think you get the point. But it all comes down to whoever has the money makes the rules and they are not in the 99%.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:59 | 1799779 midtowng
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Huh. I thought Dr. Bob was being sarcastic. OWS can't possibly be all the bogeyman things of the far right wrapped up in one movement.

Or is Dr. Bob that stupid?

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:56 | 1799831 trav7777
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but of course the TP is all of the left's bogeymen

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 11:38 | 1799920 boiltherich
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OWS is a lot of very angry people, angry about the unnatural marriage between government and the banks that own us, but the really sad part is how many of them will go home next November and reelect the same sorry politicians that eat off of golden plates furnished by the very same masters they protest against today?  I will go WAYYY out on a limb here and predict that next November we will have elected another shill congress paid for by the banks as well as a wealthy (probably GOP) president to act on the banks behalf day in and day out.  And the class war will get even worse, while most keyboard cowboys sit at home sniping over which party is worse (the right of course).  But then again I may just vote GOP next time, it will speed up the process of armed revolution without which we can't begin to rebuild.  Since the left would establish feeding stations and emergency shelters after the last dime has been looted from us, when what we will need are starving freezing homeless millions before they are willing to say they have nothing left to lose.  Of course by then the looters and all their ill gotten wealth will have retired to their estancias in Argentina and Paraguay, but not before passing legislation that essentially voids our extradition treaties.  Funny how many of them will end up in Venezuela because we can't touch them once they land there with all the wealth of America in Swiss accounts. 

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 03:55 | 1799648 dolly madison
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I used to watch Glenn Beck and he would point out the same info I was looking at on the internet and come to the opposite conclusion of what it meant than I did.  I would always take the inspirational stuff he said and turn it to what I was thinking about and get touched by it.

Anyway, my main point here actually is you are doing divide and conquer talk.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:50 | 1799771 midtowng
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When you are right, you are right.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 10:35 | 1799856 toady
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I'm with ya!

The pubes are always so obvious, but somehow their hard-core, 20%ers can't see through the bullshit. And they will argue the bogus talking points all day if you let them.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 15:23 | 1800287 malikai
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I don't like how people beat up on you. This is good shit.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:37 | 1798887 anony
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One hopes you mean it and it is the last thing you say.

I had an aunt who died of hope.

And the day I believe in the Government after what I've learned these last few years will be the day I come join you in the Lonney Bin.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:47 | 1798914 MillionDollarBonus_
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One of the reasons this recovery is so sluggish is that it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have to BELIEVE in the recovery to make it a reality. Every time an American says "I don't believe in the recovery", the recovery dies a little.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:51 | 1798922 knukles
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Null Set 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:59 | 1798948 Random_Robert
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"Every time an American says "I don't believe in the recovery", the recovery dies a little."

- Gee whiz.... kinda like Santa Claus

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:05 | 1798967 No One
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What? Santa died a little too?? Shit, time to sell my consumer discretionary stocks (if I had any)

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:20 | 1799006 knukles
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Yeah, like Bono before that concert, standing on the stage clapping his hands together above his head every 2 or 3 seconds and saying
"Every time I do this another child in Africa dies of starvation."

To which a bloke in the audience yells
 "Well then bloody well quit doin' it ya wanker."

Avast matie, wankers galore....

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 07:19 | 1799721 The Alarmist
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Me too!

I also still believe in Santa Claus, though I have been re-educated to know now that he is not that fat, white, bearded capitalist pig put forward by the Coca Cola company, rather he is a tall, thin, African chap who knows what I need and is going to give us what we deserve, whether we want it or not.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:56 | 1799761 Manthong
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Not that I give a rats ass about the (-), but for those of you who did not get my point above, I’ve got a news flash for you..

This country has changed. It is not the republic that I was born in, grew up in and pledged allegiance to.

It is a cartel of banking, corporations and political elitists whose prime concern is continuity of government as it exists for the government class and the banking monopoly, not continuity of the constitution.

Wake up..  maybe it’s  not too late.

The sentiment in the song below is generally correct, but the intro is a bit off base.. the word “change’ is a red herring to open the door to things YOU DO NOT WANT.

RESTORATION of our constitutional republic, freedoms and money system is what is required.

"The cities have turned into jungles,

and corruption is stranglin' the land.

The police force is watching the people,

and the people just can't understand.

We don't know how to mind our own business,

'cause the whole world's got to be just like us.

Now we are fighting a war over there.

No matter who's the winner, we can't pay the cost.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose,

it's got our heads into the noose.

And it just sits there... watching."

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 11:56 | 1799941 The Alarmist
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The Rubicon was crossed decades ago; the Constitutional Republic you and I knew is dead and but a memory since long before we were born. The bigger worry is that a nearly 800 year trend toward personal liberty is being quashed before our very eyes, and the world is sinking into another dark age. We still have the toys ... Our children are doomed!

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:02 | 1799947 boiltherich
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I know that you mean well when you talk about restoring our nation to the way it was long ago, but I have a comment on that which some of you might not like.   Obviously we are not going to have a nation if we continue down the path we are on but you have to ask what were the rules we followed that got us here in the first place?  Simply resetting the clock to circa 1955 is not going to change anything becase the rules in place then were what led to the place we are now. 

Also, there was a whole lot of unfairness in our society then unless you were a middle class employed straight white guy.  Plus the music sucked.  1955 could only be 1955 because it was built upon the repression of the rights of a majority of citizens.  In other words there is a whole lot of good bathwater that baby is sitting in. 

The answer is not to exhume Eisenhower but to identify the problems we have and correct them.  Currently that is not going to be possible because corporations and wealthy individuals have bribed the government and otherwise arranged congressional districts not by population or geographic boudaries but by partisan addresses.  And many of you approve because you can safely know your personal interests are being represented by your party guy/gal all without you ever having to go vote. 

None of this will change till there is a collapse and the vast majority face a long cold winter without food or fuel.  Like Moscow and St. Petersburg in November 1917, then we will overturn TPTB, but the problem is you will not find yourself in two tone loafers and loudmouth golf pants or a poodle skirt and bobby socks.  Nobody, not even those still oppressed in your system want what a real collapse and revolution would bring us. 

Be careful what you wish for. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:21 | 1799273 davepowers
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it's like a Japanese bureaucrat/doctor/hospital head explained  - smiling more will protect you from radiation

that or the the Little Train theory of life - I think I can, I think I can, I think I can

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:02 | 1798954 greenfire
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Yeah, I watched "The Secret" and "What the Bleep..."  Then I realized that infinite growth on a planet of finite resources is a physical impossibility.   Which naturally leads to other questions about money creation and debt-fueled growth, levered up to the hilt.

So you just keep manifesting,, and we'll see, won't we.  A little realism and the reestablishment of the Rule of Law is in order at this time.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:20 | 1799008 mynhair
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Geez, 'finite resources'.  Dude, that is what Mexicans are for!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:24 | 1799017 ironymonger
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Well, since you're a fan of metaphysical twaddle, wrap your medula oblongata around this:

Innovation is not limited by physical resources, only the imagination.

Now where's my $12.95?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:06 | 1799133 trav7777
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I hope that was sarcasm or just your pointing out how idiotic magical thinking is...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:04 | 1799348 saiybat
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The problem isn't finite resources. It's under production and the non use of resources that could improve the quality of life of additional people around the world. Malthus is the founder of your ideology and he predicted the world could not support more than 3 billion people. He was wrong about that just like everything else in his pseudoscientific garbage and his cult followers. Do you want a world of no advancement and zero growth? Humanity can and has overcome any problem and nothing good can come of regression which is the only neo-malthusian proposal.


There's two words for people of this ilk, ideological extremists. I thought those in ZH were above demagoguery.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:27 | 1799388 malikai
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Finite world supporting infinite growth. Awesome. It just makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:37 | 1799411 saiybat
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There's no such thing as infinite growth but regression isn't the solution to known finite resources. There is great potential for new resources to be harnessed.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 11:05 | 1799875 malikai
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The only way regression is possible is by believing in fantasy until such a time as reality strikes, then begging fantasy for salvation. We are here.

By understanding reality and studying the problems we can then find applicable solutions. We should be here.

Malthus laid it out rather succinctly, but I will paraphrase: If we do not recognize our environmental limitations, we will be forced to recognize them.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:25 | 1799486 buyingsterling
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"Finite world supporting infinite growth." We're a long way from infinity, and the universe is a big place.  Our sun pumps out more energy than the human race has consumed in its entire existence, every second. Just the bit that is actually absorbed by the earth over two days exceeds all the energy we have ever used.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:49 | 1799519 trav7777
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more magical thinking...somehow we'll bypass thermodynamics and EROI and just jump to antigravity.

You guys are in for a rude awakening.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 16:40 | 1800402 d_senti
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I can see why you've grown so angry sometimes trav. Canned polemics touting the myth of progress as an unstoppable force is on par with supervillains being defeated by the power of love on carebears. So many people don't grasp the diffuse, limited nature of energy in almost all forms. We just assume that, because we've had unbelievably dense energy, surely we'll have more, somehow.

I do wanna say though that the guy talking about the secret above was mocking it, not promoting it. Think some misread that.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 22:36 | 1801075 saiybat
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The technology to harness new resources is already here. It's just not used. If limits are imposed on resources then standard of living will drop across the board and the poor will suffer even more. Innovation will come from scarcity not artificial scarcity where those that control the resources can drive up prices as if there is scarcity. Innovation will not come from that in fact it'd be a threat to the status quo. There will be zero incentive for an alternative and it's you that is using magical thinking. You have no idea what you are asking for and the exploitation that will come along with it.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:42 | 1799073 upWising
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Bonus-Dude:  Every time you write anything, the only sounds that can be heard are your knuckles dragging on the ground, your fetid breath wheezing through your mouth, and some kind of dull clanging coming from the great hollow ball perched on your shoulders.  Mix yourself a big fat drink and go pass out in a chair someplace; you are wasting your electrons here.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:46 | 1799083 malikai
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I loled hard.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:03 | 1799125 milbank
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I believe Peter!  I believe!

Look Peter!  I'm flying!!!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:06 | 1799136 SwampRat
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thanks for the lolz....I want some of what hes smoking :)

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:31 | 1799189 malalingua
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Okay, I'll play, "SERENITY NOW", nope.....I am still "MAD AS HELL".

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:49 | 1799222 Arkadaba
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Ok you brought up Serenity Now - why I loved playing Warcraft - best ever raid and lead by a girl!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:58 | 1799236 malalingua
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Oh, wow,  I was referencing Seinfeld's, "Serenity Now, insanity later."

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:05 | 1799245 fuu
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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:08 | 1799357 formadesika3
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"Every time an American says "I don't believe in the recovery", the recovery dies a little."


Yes, it's feeble. But give them time, people, they're working on it.



Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:46 | 1799512 karzai_luver
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funny post of the year.


CONgrats, you have outdone yourself on that one. I can't stop laughing.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 06:52 | 1799710 mick_richfield
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This, as well as the previous post by MDB 1.0, are two more examples of automatable posts.

They are both non-sequitur.  There is nothing in either of them that indicates that the poster read either the article, or any previous post.

Please take a moment to think about the kind of people who would attempt to change public opinion by employing writers to create short screeds, and simple automation to post them on fora like ZH.

The planet that I come from has no such beings.  And the more I see, the more convinced I become that my planet is just this one -- in the near future.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:28 | 1799806 Mad Marv
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The fact that belief is so integral to success in your mind should say something about the basis of our fiat.  Gold has value, regardless of opinion.  We need a real currency, independent of manipulation.  Sell your ponzi  somewhere else. 

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:53 | 1800062 anony
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Santa, Peter Pan, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, the Great Pumpkin, Tinkerbell, god, Yahweh, the Resurrection, Transubstantiation, governement by the people.........any other myths you 'believe' in?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:44 | 1798910 knukles
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Hey MDB,

Did you as of yet make that voluntary additional above that calculated as that which you legally owe to Uncle Sam contirbution that we've discussed before?
Last time around you'd only gotten so far as to hedge, hem and haw, disimmilate and duck the answer as to whether you ahd or had not and moe importantly, Why.  So, wondering, as you'd said that any Patriotic God Fearing Ameircan would Greatfully do so and since we'd thought that this would be the opportune time for you to Lead By Example and not just be seen as a Body Politic Organ.

Enlighten us, my good Patriot, Self Professed Lover of America.
Have you contributed above and beyond the call of duty?
America really needs somebody to show by example, by deed, for there are far too many simply balthering pabulum, to show a concrete love and doantion of feality and finances to the Leviathian which you so love. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:53 | 1798929 MillionDollarBonus_
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It is not just up to me to pay. EVERY American must pay their fair share so that we can have the quality of government that we all want. My tax return is my business, and I don't believe it is relevant at all.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:08 | 1798977 knukles
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Lead by example....
Paul Revere did not sit all night in the pub downing meade or beers lamenting about what should be done by everybody.
He did it.
Faith without works is dead.
As well as hypocritical.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:29 | 1799030 Pure Evil
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Now that's leading by example!

Two knukles sandwiches to the ole MDB pie hole!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:58 | 1799104 krispkritter
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Is MDB Michael Moore? He sounds like the rest of them: Moore, Gore, Buffet, etc.  All duck! when it comes to parting with the almighty buck...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:47 | 1799515 karzai_luver
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Rush on a bad bad batch!


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:24 | 1799804 Mad Marv
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Geez, we have fallen far.  Good Governance cost very little!  We should be starving the government so it stays small, not growing it!  The only reason to hope for collapse is so we can reset with a MUCH smaller government.  People know what's best for themselves, a central planning bureaucracy serves only itself.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:31 | 1801326 chemystical
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Are you fucking kidding?   You want everyone to pony up more so that we can spawn an even more over-reaching and more powerful government that lets you and your soulless pieces of shit brethren fuck us over even more and so that you can change your name to BillionDollarBonus?


One answer for you:  go fuck yourself

No, make that two answers:  1st go fuck yourself, and second i hope there;s enoug rope and enough tress to swing you all from.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:55 | 1798940 Infinite QE
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I'll have what he's drinking.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:31 | 1799037 eureka
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I always wondered what this "american dream" US'ians always fawn all over is?

Is it having a house - and a mortgage? 

Hmm, I'm sorry to inform all you non-travelling americans who don't have passports, which is about 88% of US citizens, that people in other countries have houses too...

So, having a house is not particularly "american"....

Okay, so what else could this particular "dream" be... Hmmm?

Could it be the delight of driving aimlessly around in over-sized cars and spending three times the energy per capita as EU - which necessitates US Empire to attack and occupy oil producing countries non stop, which give gevernment jobs to US army personell and big contracts to US war-manufacturing corporations, who can then hire well paid gun and bomb making engineers - and provide vicarious living and fantasies of personal and national superiority and DREAMS of doing heroic deeds - all watchable in the safety of the US'ian HomeLand sofas...??? 

Yeah - that must be it - that is particularly "american" or rather US'ian - becuase no other country has or executes that kind of dream -

only, don't call it the "american" dream - because america is much, much bigger than the US Federation of the center sliver of the north American Continent...

America includes Canada, Mexico, Central America and South America with all of their nations - so call it what it is: The DREAM of The US Federation of the center sliver of the North American Continent - OR - in short: The US'ian Dream - which, as we now know, is the dream or fantasy of superiority enabled by submissiveness and mediocrity.

Say HomeLand, US'ians. Wouf, wouf, wouf.


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:45 | 1799080 upWising
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"You know why they call it the American Dream?  Because you have to be asleep to believe it."

–George Carlin

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:57 | 1799439 jeaton
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Let me condense this for you....

"My jealousy and therefore consuming hatred for America and all things American derives from my insecurities over my preadolescent genitalia, my inability to accomplish anything of value and __________________________________________________.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:09 | 1799788 midtowng
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Wow. Why don't you just call him "poopypants" and finish lowering yourself to grade school levels.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:13 | 1800203 jeaton
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I was saving "poopypants" for the first American apologists, or European nut hanger.

Looks like you'll do. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:34 | 1799500 buyingsterling
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Corruption as part of normal business is endemic in most of the world, outside the west. A lot of people on this site like to shit on average Americans for not thinking like they do, or being politically ignorant. Average Americans do things for their neighbors when they need them, are generally honest in their dealings with others, and are hard-working. We have our share of looters and leaches, but so does every place. People all over the world watch TV because it's accessible and entertaining, and many watch something other than pap. Stop equating the average American with their evil government and its masters; they don't have a clue what's really happening, this is one of the few places on the web where most people are awake to one degree or another. Also, it's not too helpful to bitch about ignorance, much more helpful to try to alleviate it. Try being constructive.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:50 | 1799520 karzai_luver
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constructing plenty of jails to hold you idiots m is that constructive enough for ya?


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:14 | 1799612 sun tzu
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All those jetsetting europeons are contributing to global warming. Now shut your piehole and pay your Gore Tax and your wonderfool europeon union crumbles. woof woof woof

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:07 | 1799786 midtowng
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I don't exactly know what the American Dream is either these days. I doubt the politicians who preach and the media who talks about it, know either.

Having a home. Sending your kids to college. Being financially comfortable. That's everywhere, not just America.

It's sort of like how we still sing about the "home of the brave" while we cower in fear of guys in caves on the other side of the world.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:28 | 1799994 boiltherich
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It means the freedom to choose the size of our house or the size of our car, or where we go and when we want to get there.  There are a lot of Americas, that is why the western hemisphere is called "THE AMERICAS."  But, we do have choices here that you do not, and which cannot be found in other nations of the Americas except for Canada which is essentially part of the USA in spite of having the queen as head of state and the illusion that they are independent.  The living standard of average citizen of the EU even with the recent clusterfuck in their debt markets is still far FAR higher than the average South American, or Mexican.  And you can fool yourselves into thinking you are more progressive with carbon tax schemes and consumption killing VAT's, but you are just as much a part of the developed world as the USA and you are even in military alliance with us. 

Sometimes you just should not go around fatuously pointing fingers at others, because in the end the USA will figure out how to get back on track even if that means some painful convulsions to end the slavery to the fiat owners of our recent death spiral.  Your nations on the other hand will argue endlessly in parliamentary gridlock till you find yourselves a savior as you always do, someone that promises deliverance if you just enable him with the power to suspend elections and constitutions.  It was GREAT for the European economy the last time you did it, first you were able to lift out of the depression and build autobahns (which you invented by the way) and after it was all smashed down you got the USA to pay for the rebuilding via the Marshall Plan. 

Nice work if you can get it.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:47 | 1801537 Léonard
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After financing Hitler, letting him invade half of Europe, the USA came to bombard the european continent (thanks to the GI's for raping our mothers and daughters and for having destroyed my ancestors house) and then to make huge money to rebuild the whole place.

The USA never do anything for free. There's always a huge conterpart in everything they give to you. If they paid for the Marshall plan it's because they knew they would make a lot of money out of it and assure their occupation of Europe in the long term. 

The script is still the same today in Irak, Afghanistan, Lybia or whatever : promoting dictators, invading the countries for X reason, bombarding everything and then taking what's left and rebuilding to the benefit of the US compagnies and make the invaded country a new US colony.

The USA is the most devilish empire that has ever existed.

Tue, 10/25/2011 - 16:48 | 1809901 boiltherich
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Dear Leonard, so you sincerely believe America is the cause and profiteer behind the Euro world wars do you?  You in France maybe?  Those fuckers could not surrender fast enough because licking jack boots is so delicious with the morning coffee.  Or the Italians with their own brand of fascism lite?  There were a few instances of GI's behaving badly, perhaps as many as one one thousandth as many instances as Russian or German troops, but it did happen.  Of course it mostly happened to collaborators.  America did not finance Hitler or the Axis, at least in no major way like the French did through their compliance with Berlin some two weeks into their war, and the USA did not sit around waiting for the moment to be ripe to go clean up financially, we did not enter the war till the Axis powers violated our neutrality with a direct attack that killed thousands. 

As far as I am concerned Eurotrash opinion about America when it comes to the World Wars YOU all started and dragged us into is worth not the merde on my shoes after a long walk in a dog park.  Though I will admit it was a profound error in judgment to help with the rebuilding of Europe after the war, had our leadership known what two faced back biting assholes Europeans would be as a result we could have saved ourselves the equivalent of a trillion and a half dollars in inflation adjusted wealth (10% of GDP) we spent cleaning up your fucking messes.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:02 | 1800188 jeaton
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But you will come screaming with you hands out to us like fat kids to an ice cream truck the first time some third world country with a pagan religion decides you need to get on board or get dead, or some natural disaster strikes and you have neither the technical expertise, the logistics or the income and ability to address it. 

Europeans are that worthless, stoned brother that likes to graft off you and tell others you aren't that great, that you work to hard and only care about money, but comes running to you with hands out anytime life gives him a boo boo. 

Keep your weakness to yourself. 


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:40 | 1799065 devo
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We don't believe in the recovery because the market hasn't been allowed to organically deflate assets to fair value. Obviously this is because deflation benefits the middle class and poor. When deflation (and deleveraging) occurs, I think most of us will acknowledge a recovery is possible.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:15 | 1799613 sun tzu
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It didn't help much during the great depression

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:08 | 1799787 LoneStarHog
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Wake up from your surreal world and realize that your government IS NOT your country. If you don't understand the difference, I feel sorry for your mental handicap.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:46 | 1800050 BernankeHasHemo...
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Don't worry, buddy. You'll get your American dream before too long. From the barrel of my AK.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:15 | 1798821 UP Forester
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Funny, the German intelligence agency proved that little factoid wrong, along with most other actual investigations.  But we'll never get to see the actual bomb components they found in the wreckage, will we?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:43 | 1798908 cynicalskeptic
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Nothing is ever as it seems.......   can't say any of the below has merit but there are too many unanswered questions......


Some would claim Gadaffi was the victim of outside forces - working through a Libyan 'revolt' - he was presuring oil cpompanies to pay the reparations over Lockerbie - which he had repeatedly denied until finally taking responsibilty as part of an agreement to let Western oil companies in.   The oil companies were not happy at the added 'expense'.  In addition he was talking of a gold bakced dinar - in a world of failing fiat currencies.    Where IS Libya's gold now btw?  Still odd how one of the first things the 'rebels' did was forming a new central bank......   and dId we ever get an explanation of who thoise english speaking troops (caught on camera) were?

Gadaffi was not a 'ggod guy' but was he really the bogeyman he was made out to be?  I STILL remember the National Review article in the 70's that proposed  the US simply take over Libya to solve the oil crisis then.  This at a time when the US was backing the Shah in Iran (who was RAISING oil prices to pay for US armaments) - the Shah was hardly a benevolent leader himself - and arguably treated his citizens worse than Gadaffi.  Just remember - Libya was also on the neo-con hit list - with Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, the Sudan.....  

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:51 | 1798923 X.inf.capt
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and any other country not recognising the Bank of International Settlements...

go to wikipedia and see the map that doesnt recognize them, and you'll see where the military has been, and is going....

man, this game is so rigged...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:33 | 1799044 Seer
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Pepe Escobar lays it all out:

US Founders warned us to stay out of foreign entanglements.  Pretty clear that defiance of such warnings will produce a collapsed system.  Oh well, maybe all the statist militaristic programming will get crushed when the BIG RESET occurs, we can only hope...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:45 | 1799078 earleflorida
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funny thing happened in iraq, where saddam wanted oil money to be paid in euro's,...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:54 | 1799107 krispkritter
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Where does Iran fall on the list of No No's?  No central bank, no dollars for oil, etc. 

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 00:41 | 1799559 UP Forester
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.... no invading of other countries, no allowing Big Oil to drill, no allowing US troop to nation-build (yet)....

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:28 | 1799027 Seer
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Thanks for playing the village idiot.

The majority of uprisings (up until the latest austerity-based ones that are running rampant around the globe right now) have been instigated by various intelligence agencies, mostly the CIA.

And, no, Qaddafi didn't take down "that Jetliner over Scotland" (you can't even mention it's name? or the location? yet you KNOW that it was Qaddafi who did it?), nor did his govt:

Yeah, why DID the US govt give awards to the military personnel who "accidentally" shot down the Iranian passenger airline in July of 1988?  (Pan Am 103 went down in December of that same year)

And this father isn't buying the Lybians-ate-my-airplane, er, the Lybians-blew-up-Pan-Am-103 either:

Lockerbie bombing: victim's father to sue

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:56 | 1799527 IrritableBowels
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Thanks for the links.  Gotta love the crowd here.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:07 | 1799138 Hard Assets
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"The Arab Spring, which yesterday claimed its first brutal televized murder, confirming that the new regime is unfortunately in no way more civilized or humane than the old one"

I saw the new 'murder' video on CNN about 4 hours ago. The story was ripe with the 'human rights' officials buzzing around, and they are questioning if the murder was 'humane'.

The instant I heard (and saw) the rights activists I had a giant question mark on my head. Yeah, they found him and shot the fucker!!

.....and you expected the rebels to do what with him, after they found him ?


This is what I am hearing. NATO was focused on this convoy that was hi-tailing it out of Serte. The 'sortie' was set-up lead by a U.S. drone. They bombed the crap out of the convey, it was hit hard, but, Gadhafi managed to drag him ass into a culvert. A couple of rebels forced 5 out of the culvert and low and behold, out comes a bloodied Gadhafi.

The rebels dragged his ass up an embankment to a senior vehicle where Gadhafi got slapped around seriously.

The video ends after this 20-30 sec segment, we go into a minute or 10 of unknown, then Gadhafi is very dead with several bullet holes in him, most painful I imagine, would be the close range shot in the foredead.

Apparently everyone is up in arms that maybe Gadhafi was 'murdered' inappropriately and are pissed about it.


I'm stunned at this 'humanitarian' way to murder a guy and thankfully, the truth hit me moments ago.

Libya is in a violent cilvil war. There's nothing else to call it. Gadhafi is to shot and pissed on. NATO is bombing the shit out of anything the government owns, government fatalities are a bonus. Rebels clean up murdering anything outside the NATO bombing.

Rinse and repeat for several months...

Let's review 2 minor issues:

1. Gadhafi when found, would be killed.

2. When found, he was slapped him around for a minute or two, put him into a vehicle, the vehicle arrrives at some sort of government facility and Gadhafi's body is removed.

a) who gives a fuck

b) let's sort out the next fuck-up.

c) he was quickly, and humanely murdered, much more than hundreds of other military/civilians.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 00:19 | 1799544 i-dog
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"he was quickly, and humanely murdered"

I very much doubt that ... I'm sure that head shot was just for show. Those who cross TPTB (ie. those who are insiders, who then turn against them) are first humiliated and then painfully executed. It's part of their ritual and part of their disincentive to other insiders who have taken the oath of secrecy. Outsiders who piss them off are generally only humiliated.

Next, we will see the whole Qaddafi tribe "quickly and humanely murdered" ... one-by-one, over a period of months or even years.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:18 | 1799617 sun tzu
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What fucking business is it of yours or NATO that there is a civil war in Libya? Who the fuck are you to sort things out in other countries?

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:05 | 1799952 AnAnonymous
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a) who gives a fuck


Who gives a fuck? US citizens should give a fuck.

They are endorsing the new US like republic (id est democracy) implantation in Libya.

Dont they state everywhere that a guy should be tried before being sentenced, that it is a human right? US justice over revenge?

Made me laugh.

Endorsing an ethnical cleansing under the cover of humanatarian causes, endorsing the assassination of a man...

The best is that very likely, in a near future, the US might invade a new country on the ground this country does not apply the rule of law and have executed a guy pal to the US without a due trial.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:40 | 1799203 Arkadaba
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Did he take down that jetliner? I'm not convinced

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:34 | 1799302 Tijuana Donkey Show
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He did, he was on the plane when it happened, just ask Hillary Clinton. That's why she's glad he's dead.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:14 | 1799792 SheHunter
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Great article Paper Bear.   How you say ' spoon-fed by our western MSM to believe an issue is one, and only one-sided'. 

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 11:54 | 1799938 AnAnonymous
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Wonder why, then, all those other Libyans rioted, and killed him, finally. Something you're not listing, non ami.


This is stupid. Why would they have not killed him, no matter what the life standards were in the country?

It is a struggle for power. No matter what,in this US driven world, a successful conquest of power led by those supported by the US means an improved standard of life.

What would they care what Gaddafi brought to the country when killing him will mean a much more profitable deal for the guys who killed him?

In this US driven world, loyalties go to the highest of bidders. Al Qaeda fighters would Gaddafi are going to be rewarded well above what they had from the mad dog Gaddafi, helping the US to send lybian oil to the world free markets.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:10 | 1798795 john39
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clearly the NWO had to destroy libya before americans learned about this...

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 15:02 | 1800258 DosZap
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The US gub is dead set on outing (starting a war) with every nation that is autonomous,
 and the dictatorship jibe is juke junk.

HAVE to take out every country that they do not exert control over.

We are SO far off the FOUINDERS INTENTS for America, it's sickening.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:12 | 1798806 JustObserving
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No good deed goes unpunished - do enough and they will murder you.  Kill enough and you get the Nobel prize.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:13 | 1798813 Tyler Durden
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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:40 | 1799066 CompassionateFascist
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A gratuitous red arrow for TD. Just because even the Best still deserve to get punched once in a while.  

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:47 | 1799088 Sunshine n Lollipops
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Only 26 green arrows (and counting) for Tyler's +1? C'mon, ZHers, you can suck up better than that!

The hero worship is getting out of hand around here, Tyler.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:36 | 1799305 Tijuana Donkey Show
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You'll throw you panties on stage for Tyler, and you know it! 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:46 | 1799422 Sunshine n Lollipops
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With my phone # on 'em. lol

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:50 | 1799825 malikai
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TDs > Steve Jobs

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:27 | 1799382 tickhound
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Still only size (S) remaining in white zh t's, T.  Make a phone call please. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:43 | 1798907 falak pema
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in all fairness he got the nobel and then he really started killing.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:47 | 1798916 knukles
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Narcissistic personality disorder's confirmation bias.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:57 | 1798946 Infinite QE
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But it was the DESIRE to kill that got him in! Nothing like bloodlust to open the gates of sin city.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:04 | 1798961 Lets Eat Grandma
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If I remember correctly, he was given the NPP for his "potential" to bring peace and hope and all that other horse shit. 

I hate Dr. Phil, but I have to (rhetorically) ask.. How's that working out for us?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:13 | 1798986 krispkritter
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Winner of the Nobel 'Send them Home in Pieces' Prize...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:35 | 1799051 Seer
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Shh!  You'll be having GW Bush taking another run so he can add to his tally! (but, yes, thumbs up!)

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:50 | 1798921 Infinite QE
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Well, the one thing they didn't have was a Rothschild Central Bank. And that was fatal to the ole Colonel. Now, let the raping continue.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:54 | 1798931 Infinite QE
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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:54 | 1798932 PaperBear
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Financial Terrorism on Libya and on Africa (27 June 2011)

“The Libyan Ministry of Health have confirmed that air strikes to date by NATO have killed 3452 civilians”

“One fact that has escaped all is that in 2009 Colonel Gaddafi paid some USD 30 billion in surplus oil revenues to the citizens of Libya, the citizens that your court has now accused of some serious offenses.”

“The freezing of such funds has of course had a strong impact in Africa where out of 25 countries, 22 of them were in the sub-Saharan Africa which badly needed such investment,. For example, the first telecommunications satellite Rascom which entered into orbit in August 2010 allowing African countries to use the communication centre outside the reach of the US owned satellites, is in need of constant maintenance which of course now lapses because of the funds held and seized because of the US and EU. More important than such was the money invested into the African Union (1) the African Investment Bank based in Tripoli (2) the African Monetary Fund based in Cameroon (3) the African Central Bank based in Nigeria. The development of those bodies enables African countries to de facto escape the control of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund which classically remain the tools of neo colonial domination and of course marks the end of the CFA Franc, the currency that 14 former French colonies are forced to use by France. Perhaps this explains why President Sarcozy remains keen on leading an intervention and deposing of Colonel Gaddafi.”

Oh yeah, now we are DEFINITELY getting to the truth.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:54 | 1798936 PaperBear
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8th September 2011 - NATO hits Libyan Great Man Made River … targeting Libyan infrastructure

“Let me again remind the world some of the statements made earlier this year by NATO commanders. One in particular by a frustrated Gen. Sir David Richards, KCB CBE DSO ADC Gen, Britain’s Chief of the General Staff, who proposed that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) should target Libyan “infrastructure,” including electrical power grids and fuel dumps, in government held areas, on May 16, 2011, in Naples, the command center for the war in Libya. He suggested that NATO should be freed from restraints that precluded attacking infrastructure targets”

What the f**k is this guy talking about ?

I would very much like to look this guy in the eye and slap him across the face.

“We stop US/NATO aggression now – we stop World War 3”

Syria is next for “liberation” then Iran.

“If NATO and its allies’ contribution to protecting civilians is bombing their water supply then it is our job as peoples of this world to stand up and respond to this heinous war crime, whether or not the politicians do.”

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 04:47 | 1799668 dolly madison
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Yes, this is why it is important that we all get together and win now.  We will not only save ourselves.  We will save the world.  Screw divide and conquer. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:38 | 1799059 Seer
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Oh, great, there goes all those ungrateful Libyan folks whining about our spreading "democracy" there!

Next we'll hear that it's the "insurgents" who are responsible, that they're nesting in with the civilians.

Can we PLEASE just pull the fucking plug on this morally bankrupt System?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:18 | 1799269 Old Poor Richard
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Stupid coloureds would just buy drugs or rap music CDs with that money anyway.  The Libyans and all the peoples of Africa are much better off with imperialist European bankers taking their oil and gold, giving them shiny beads and scarlet fever-laced blankets in trade.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 15:00 | 1800252 trav7777
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the injuns made a fair trade for the shiny things...don't be such a bigot trying to impose your value system onto them.

Also, who are you to condemn black "culture" which promotes murder and rape and robbery?  You are a cultural imperialist and a rayciss.

As far as the blankets, it was smallpox and it's dubious that anyone had a clue about that even if it were true because smallpox and virology was in its infancy.  But, fret not, the evil white man has oppressed the world by eradicating this disease, and has just invented a malaria vaccine which will oppressively preserve the lives of even more africans.  You add that to refrigeration and electrical power and it is clear that the white man and all of his oppression must vanish from the earth and give way to the bounty of technological innovation of the brown people.  Supersoakers for everyone.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:18 | 1799796 midtowng
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I have mixed feelings about this: 1) I wouldn't believe Ghadafi's Ministry report for a second. They had every reason to lie. HOWEVER.. 2) it is concerning that I've not read a single news story talking about how many civilians we did kill. Obviously we did. The self-censorship of the news media is obvious and disturbing.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:08 | 1798976 machineh
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'13. water in the middle of the desert, drinking water,'

And lakes of wine, and fountains of champagne.

Don't forget the cigarette trees!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:35 | 1799052 earleflorida
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he just had to pitch a tent on the 'donald's property' [9/24/09] in quiet  bedford, n.y. - a fatal mistake, so it plays out,... not to mention his kid getting chummy with nat rothschild?   jmo

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:35 | 1799053 Stares straight...
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Free electricity, potable water in the desert, cheap oil, nearly free bread, cars at factory cost... OR...


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:50 | 1799096 Stares straight...
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(Somebody around here doesn't like pussy...)

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:39 | 1799062 b_thunder
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All the "free" education, subsidized goods, etc will end as soon as.....  the oil revenue that so far went 50% to Ghaddafi plus his friends and family and 50% - to the rest of the country, will be split 50% to the new regime and 50% to the Exxon, Oxxidentl, BP, Shell, ENI, TOTAL, Elf, etc etc.


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:00 | 1799315 Cabreado
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"1. Electricity for household use is free,

2. interest-free loans  "


Interesting red/green score.

Scary as all shit, but interesting nonetheless.

The dictator is winning, our system of government is losing.

Apparently, in full color, we can't figure out what to do about the corruption at home, so we (count me out) become enamored with the oh-so-good-life that can be had under a raging psychopath.

The same old dynamic is happening before our eyes, even here, and I just have to wonder how many recognize it...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:44 | 1799508 DollarMenu
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"become enamored with the oh-so-good-life that can be had under a raging psychopath.'

Not enamored, just to point out that the population had not much reason to revolt - that the so called revolution was externally instigated.

He did some amazing things for his people, even as he and his family lived a grand life of excess. 

Our leaders just have the excess out of our essentials.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:48 | 1799517 buyingsterling
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You misinterpret most of the response. It's not cheering for socialism, it's cheering the fact that Kaddafy simply wasn't the monster he's painted as by the old media.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 04:56 | 1799670 dolly madison
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The dictator is winning, our system of government is losing...become enamored with the oh-so-good-life that can be had under a raging psychopath.

Maybe it takes a raging psychopath to take on the western elite the way he did.

At a certain point Gaddafi gave the country to his people and installed participatory democracy.  He was taking control back in recent years though, and the people were irritated about that.  He is not a clear cut dictator though.  It is more confused than that.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 07:08 | 1799718 The Alarmist
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What does the governments of the USA and Europe have to offer Americans and Europeans ?

More debt and more taxes.

... and Libya's oil.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:03 | 1799743 SixFeetFromTheHedge
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I'm desperataly looking for official sources of these statements. Can you please help me with that? Thanks.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:04 | 1798772 malalingua
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WE ARE ANGRY!!!!!!  Ron Paul 2012

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:16 | 1798825 kaiserhoff
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54 year old RETIRED SCHOOL JANITOR!!!!!!

There's a big chunk of the problem, folks.

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