American Anger: 58% Say Are "Furious About America's Politics" Compared To 49% In January, 37% Support #OWS

Tyler Durden's picture

The Arab Spring, which yesterday claimed its first brutal televized murder, confirming that the new regime is unfortunately in no way more civilized or humane than the old one, is slowly gaining ever more traction, and those in power who think they are immune from the basest of human emotions like Gadaffi thought, even in so-called civilized countries, may be surprised to discover otherwise. According to a new AP-GfK poll, 37% of respondents back "Occupy Wall Street" and its various offshoot variants. As can be expected, "A majority of those protest supporters are Democrats, but the anger about politics in general is much more widespread, the poll indicates." What is more disturbing is that nearly two thirds of respondents are openly expressing anger with everything that is wrong in America, even if they can't quite place their affiliation with either the Tea-Party of the #OWS movement. "58 percent say they are furious about America's politics. The number of angry people is growing as deep reservoirs of resentment grip the country." The number was 49% in January - in other words it is rising with meteoric speed. And with the topic of Marxism lately quite prevalent if for purely intellectual masturbation purposes, perhaps the practical implications of Marxist "discontent" should also be considered, and the defining question becomes what will be the tipping point beyond which silent protest and peaceful occupation morphs into something far worse.

As for the actual broad sentiment, we couldn't agree more with the following statement:

"They've got reasons to be upset, they've got reasons to protest, but they're protesting against the wrong people," Jan Jarrell, 54, a retired school custodian from Leesville, S.C., says of the New York demonstrators. "They need to go to Washington, to Congress and the White House. They're the ones coming up with all the rules."

The following will come as no surprise to those who have been following the two core discontentment movements over the past years:

While the troubled economy is at the root of anger at both government and business leaders, there's a key difference. Tea party activists generally argue that government is the problem, and they advocate for free markets. The Wall Street protesters generally say that government can provide some solutions and the free market has run amok.


Of the Americans who support the Wall Street protests, 64 percent in the poll are Democrats, while 22 percent are independents and just 14 percent are Republicans. The protest backers are more likely to approve of President Barack Obama and more likely to disapprove of Congress than are people who don't support the demonstrations.


More generally, many more Americans - 58 percent - say they are furious about the country's politics than did in January, when 49 percent said they felt that way. What's more, nearly nine in 10 say they are frustrated with politics and nearly the same say they are disappointed, findings that suggest people are deeply resentful of the political bickering over such basic government responsibilities as passing a federal budget and raising the nation's debt limit.

And as Ron Paul loosely paraphrased, at the last GOP debate, another democrat before him, "it's the economy, stupid"


The protesters cite the economic crisis as a key reason for their unhappiness. The unemployment rate hovers around 9 percent nationally. Many homeowners owe more than their homes are worth. Foreclosures are rampant. And many young people - the key demographic of the protesters - can't find jobs or live on their own.

"They all have college educations, and some have advanced degrees, and they're unemployed?" says Alice Dunlap, 63, a retired speech language pathologist from Alexandria, Va. She supports the protests because, she says, anger lingers at those who profited while the nation's economy tanked.


"We all got ripped off by Wall Street, and we continue to be ripped off by Wall Street," she says. "You can look at my portfolio, if you like."


The poll found that most protest supporters do not blame Obama for the economic crisis. Sixty-eight percent say former President George W. Bush deserves "almost all" or "a lot but not all" of the blame. Just 15 percent say Obama deserves that much blame. Nearly six in 10 protest supporters blame Republicans in Congress for the nation's economic problems, and 21 percent blame congressional Democrats.


Six in 10 protest supporters trust Democrats more than Republicans to create jobs.


Most people who support the protests - like most people who don't - actually report good financial situations in their own households.

So who is the "minority" that has been targeted by the 99%? Or is it really 99.999% as BusinessWeek analyzes some of the finer nuances in what is now a full blow "poor vs rich" class war.

A better way of thinking about the Occupy Wall Street Movement, though, is to look at what happens at the very top, in the rareified upper reaches of hedge fund land. In his investigation of investment bank bonus payments for 2008, New York attorney general (and now governor) Andrew Cuomo, found that 774 employees of the top 5 investment banks took home close to $4.2 billionin bonuses. That report prompted extensive bonus rage. But here’s a more stunning number to compare it with: for the same year, the top 25 hedge fund managers reaped $10.6 billion in gains, according to Insitutional Investor’s AR Magazine. Let’s set those numbers down again:

  • 774 investment bankers: $4.2 billion
  • 25 top hedge fund managers: $11.6 billion

There’s more: in 2009, the top 25 hedge fund managers made $25.3 billion, and in 2010 it was $22 billion.


Measured as a proportion of the people in the top 1%, financial types might not be the biggest part. Move up to the very top, and the the share of those finance is absolutely huge. Maybe “We Are The 99.999%” is a more accurate sign, but Wall Street is the right spot for the protests. We may not be sure of just who makes up the top 1%, but who’s at the pinnacle is clear.


Still, exactly which part of the financial world is pulling in the most money is something that’s worth thinking about closely. The focus of popular anger, and of proposals for reform, have been mainly banks and bankers. But if the most outsized compensation is not, ultimately, in the big investment banks but at the hedge funds, it’s not clear that reforming the bank reform will markedly change this distribution—or resolve the central complaint of the protests.

All very good observations... and all quite moot. When the tipping point is reached, we doubt the unleashed codex of vigilante mob justice will care much to look at whether occupant of XXX Crown Lane in Greenwich put down $999,999.00 on their 1040 or added a few extra zeroes.

Just ask the Bolsheviks... Or Gaddafi.

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PaperBear's picture

Life in Libya with Leader Gaddafi

1. Electricity for household use is free,

2. interest-free loans 
during the study, government give to every student 2 300 dolars/month 

4. receives the average salary for this profession if you do not find a job after graduation,

5. the state has paid for to work in the profession,

6. every unemployed person receives social assistance 15,000 $/year,

7. for marriage state pays first apartment or house (150m2),

8. buying cars at factory prices,

9. LIBYA  not owe anyone a cent,

10. free higher education abroad,

11. 25% of highly educated,

12. 40 loaves of bread costs $ 0.15,

13. water in the middle of the desert, drinking water,

14. 8 dinars per liter of oil (0.08 EUR),

15. 6% poor people,

16. for each infant, the couple received $ 5,000 for their needs.


What does the governments of the USA and Europe have to offer Americans and Europeans ?

More debt and more taxes.

anony's picture

Wonder why, then, all those other Libyans rioted, and killed him, finally.  Something you're not listing, non ami.

And he did take down that Jetliner over Scotland.

MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

 Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in the recovery, the cynics and the skeptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. But America is one hell of a country. This is a great economy and you should stand around and believe it. You should believe in our corporations, and you should believe in our government. I'll be a fan of America for as long as I live. And there are no secrets — this is a hard recovery and hard work wins it. So long live the American dream!

Libertarians for Prosperity's picture



I love the hypocrisy of the Republicans. Pure comedy.   

For the past two years, we've heard endless "battle cry" rhetoric about fighting for our rights and for the sanctity of our Constitution.  Everyone - from Republican senators and their carnival barkers (Glenn Beck, Palin, Bachmann, Rush) to small town tea partiers rallying in city centers with machine guns around their shoulders - has been trying to get a movement started against the malfeasance of our political system and the corruption on Wall Street.  Nothing like civil unrest to make the current president look bad, right?  There's a great evil at our doorstep, as Glenn Beck said.  We want our country back!  We must fight, even if it means blood in our streets!

<cue the fake tears>

Finally, the Republican wish comes true with "Occupy Wall Street," and the Republicans spend their time mocking and trivializing it. Why? Why the change in attitude?  With it aimed in Wall Street, it can't be easily manipulated as a right-wing political ploy, and that's why you always hear the Republicans saying to the OWS "You should be protesting in Washington, not Wall Street!"

Oops!  They finally got everyone pissed, but they're pissed at the wrong party. No! No! No!  Don't direct your anger at Wall Street, direct it at Obama!   


Lednbrass's picture

Rallying in city centers with machine guns around their shoulders? LOL

I support your right to stupidity, but you really do abuse the privelege. I can only hope you are doing a deadpan sarcasm comedy routine like Bonus. If not- yikes.

knukles's picture

Methinks dead pan is not Bonus' modus operandi.  Subsequent to a number of direct exchanges, I believe him to be either unhinged or a paid promoter/troll.... serious as a fucking heart attack.

comrade pravda's picture

Song of the 99%.

Don't decide who OWS are until you join the protest, listen to your fellow citizens and add your own voice.

AldousHuxley's picture


Don't you know you're talking about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper


Wasting time in unemployment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion


Poor people are gonna rise up
And get their share


Finally the tables are starting to turn
Talking about a revolution



Manthong's picture

..on second thought, not worth wasting the brain space.

Thomas's picture

I had an allergic reaction to this writeup. It seems to couch the discontent in terms that are slanted at the richest folks. I personally am not pissed at the hedge funds. We didn't have to bail them out. I am pissed at the Wall Street bankers, who are anything but clever and unworthy of their booty. I find the discussions with the Arabs also biasing. This looks like typical red-herring journalism to me.

i-dog's picture

If you read Tyler's post carefully, you'll note that his conclusion is that once the tumbrils start rolling and Madame deFarge starts knitting, it won't matter whether you're in the top 1%, 0.1%, or 0.00001%, you're still going to lose your head!

Indeed, once "the Revolution" goes nation-wide, the mob won't be satisfied until the top 20% has been looted. (At least, that's how I read it!)

The fact that those who planned the destruction of the economy, and profited most from it, neither live in the country nor have any significant assets left in the country seems to have been completely overlooked by the mob!

Lednbrass's picture

Possible- and I could be wrong- but I think its Hamy Wanger in another guise.  He had an incarnation before that spoofing Johnny Bravo/MathMan types I think also. There are subtle choices in the words that read as shtick to me.

macholatte's picture

That's Yellow Hitler with a Ron Paul avatar. He/it has only one eye and can barely see 2 dimensions so everybody has to be put into a pigeon hole. You're either a Progressive masquerading as a Democrat or scum. He/it is living proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.

Rynak's picture

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* No, just kidding, free only unless no amputation needed, further more, you have to enter an <N> years long contract, and forfeit any "accidents" during that timespan, and also you have to sign an NDA beyond your employment timespan, and also further fees apply if you fail to meet additional quota arbitrarily decided by us, also, in case you fail our obligations, we reserve the right to kill your mom and foreclosure everything you own not nailed down, and further more..... well, on the other hand, you can always sign up to our flatrate offer - sure, the pay isn't as high, but as long as you just spew garbage, we'll pay 1$ for every unit of 100 posts, that do nothing else than cause braindead noise in enemy services.

midtowng's picture

Now someone has to tell the OWS that they are Soros' people. I'm pretty sure they don't know it yet.

Tater Salad's picture

Hippies have been pissed since the 60's, how's that new?

Get your facts straight libtard

Canaduh's picture

Those gosh darn hippies...wonder why they popped up.....


Dr Bob's picture

wow, your really confused arent you? OWS is obama, is soros, is communism/marxism. it is the complete opposite of the Tea Party (and i dont support them either). 

falak pema's picture

could it have even titilated your clever brain that OWS are every day people concerned about their livelihood which is disappearing from under their feet?

That they do no have a political agenda, but more so an economic and social one? 

Why always paint facts with a tarred brush of ideological and 'bogeyman' logic? The typical American knee-jerk : injuns, commies, niggers, sand niggers, now OWS marxists! TAke off your politically biased lens and see life as it is, not as it pleases you to think it is. 

Absinthe Minded's picture

Everything is not a conspiracy. If it were there would be a lot more organization. Everybody bitches about them not having a leader or unified message, that's the point, there are so many things wrong you can't focus on one thing. You've got the deporting off jobs for higher profits. You've got the banks taking huge bonuses after they almost burn the place to he ground. You've got the clueless SEC, corrupt CME, idiot FED, I could go on and on but I think you get the point. But it all comes down to whoever has the money makes the rules and they are not in the 99%.

midtowng's picture

Huh. I thought Dr. Bob was being sarcastic. OWS can't possibly be all the bogeyman things of the far right wrapped up in one movement.

Or is Dr. Bob that stupid?

trav7777's picture

but of course the TP is all of the left's bogeymen

boiltherich's picture

OWS is a lot of very angry people, angry about the unnatural marriage between government and the banks that own us, but the really sad part is how many of them will go home next November and reelect the same sorry politicians that eat off of golden plates furnished by the very same masters they protest against today?  I will go WAYYY out on a limb here and predict that next November we will have elected another shill congress paid for by the banks as well as a wealthy (probably GOP) president to act on the banks behalf day in and day out.  And the class war will get even worse, while most keyboard cowboys sit at home sniping over which party is worse (the right of course).  But then again I may just vote GOP next time, it will speed up the process of armed revolution without which we can't begin to rebuild.  Since the left would establish feeding stations and emergency shelters after the last dime has been looted from us, when what we will need are starving freezing homeless millions before they are willing to say they have nothing left to lose.  Of course by then the looters and all their ill gotten wealth will have retired to their estancias in Argentina and Paraguay, but not before passing legislation that essentially voids our extradition treaties.  Funny how many of them will end up in Venezuela because we can't touch them once they land there with all the wealth of America in Swiss accounts. 

dolly madison's picture

I used to watch Glenn Beck and he would point out the same info I was looking at on the internet and come to the opposite conclusion of what it meant than I did.  I would always take the inspirational stuff he said and turn it to what I was thinking about and get touched by it.

Anyway, my main point here actually is you are doing divide and conquer talk.

toady's picture

I'm with ya!

The pubes are always so obvious, but somehow their hard-core, 20%ers can't see through the bullshit. And they will argue the bogus talking points all day if you let them.

malikai's picture

I don't like how people beat up on you. This is good shit.

anony's picture

One hopes you mean it and it is the last thing you say.

I had an aunt who died of hope.

And the day I believe in the Government after what I've learned these last few years will be the day I come join you in the Lonney Bin.

MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

One of the reasons this recovery is so sluggish is that it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have to BELIEVE in the recovery to make it a reality. Every time an American says "I don't believe in the recovery", the recovery dies a little.

Random_Robert's picture

"Every time an American says "I don't believe in the recovery", the recovery dies a little."

- Gee whiz.... kinda like Santa Claus

No One's picture

What? Santa died a little too?? Shit, time to sell my consumer discretionary stocks (if I had any)

knukles's picture

Yeah, like Bono before that concert, standing on the stage clapping his hands together above his head every 2 or 3 seconds and saying
"Every time I do this another child in Africa dies of starvation."

To which a bloke in the audience yells
 "Well then bloody well quit doin' it ya wanker."

Avast matie, wankers galore....

The Alarmist's picture

Me too!

I also still believe in Santa Claus, though I have been re-educated to know now that he is not that fat, white, bearded capitalist pig put forward by the Coca Cola company, rather he is a tall, thin, African chap who knows what I need and is going to give us what we deserve, whether we want it or not.

Manthong's picture

Not that I give a rats ass about the (-), but for those of you who did not get my point above, I’ve got a news flash for you..

This country has changed. It is not the republic that I was born in, grew up in and pledged allegiance to.

It is a cartel of banking, corporations and political elitists whose prime concern is continuity of government as it exists for the government class and the banking monopoly, not continuity of the constitution.

Wake up..  maybe it’s  not too late.

The sentiment in the song below is generally correct, but the intro is a bit off base.. the word “change’ is a red herring to open the door to things YOU DO NOT WANT.

RESTORATION of our constitutional republic, freedoms and money system is what is required.

"The cities have turned into jungles,

and corruption is stranglin' the land.

The police force is watching the people,

and the people just can't understand.

We don't know how to mind our own business,

'cause the whole world's got to be just like us.

Now we are fighting a war over there.

No matter who's the winner, we can't pay the cost.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose,

it's got our heads into the noose.

And it just sits there... watching."

The Alarmist's picture

The Rubicon was crossed decades ago; the Constitutional Republic you and I knew is dead and but a memory since long before we were born. The bigger worry is that a nearly 800 year trend toward personal liberty is being quashed before our very eyes, and the world is sinking into another dark age. We still have the toys ... Our children are doomed!

boiltherich's picture

I know that you mean well when you talk about restoring our nation to the way it was long ago, but I have a comment on that which some of you might not like.   Obviously we are not going to have a nation if we continue down the path we are on but you have to ask what were the rules we followed that got us here in the first place?  Simply resetting the clock to circa 1955 is not going to change anything becase the rules in place then were what led to the place we are now. 

Also, there was a whole lot of unfairness in our society then unless you were a middle class employed straight white guy.  Plus the music sucked.  1955 could only be 1955 because it was built upon the repression of the rights of a majority of citizens.  In other words there is a whole lot of good bathwater that baby is sitting in. 

The answer is not to exhume Eisenhower but to identify the problems we have and correct them.  Currently that is not going to be possible because corporations and wealthy individuals have bribed the government and otherwise arranged congressional districts not by population or geographic boudaries but by partisan addresses.  And many of you approve because you can safely know your personal interests are being represented by your party guy/gal all without you ever having to go vote. 

None of this will change till there is a collapse and the vast majority face a long cold winter without food or fuel.  Like Moscow and St. Petersburg in November 1917, then we will overturn TPTB, but the problem is you will not find yourself in two tone loafers and loudmouth golf pants or a poodle skirt and bobby socks.  Nobody, not even those still oppressed in your system want what a real collapse and revolution would bring us. 

Be careful what you wish for. 

davepowers's picture

it's like a Japanese bureaucrat/doctor/hospital head explained  - smiling more will protect you from radiation

that or the the Little Train theory of life - I think I can, I think I can, I think I can

greenfire's picture

Yeah, I watched "The Secret" and "What the Bleep..."  Then I realized that infinite growth on a planet of finite resources is a physical impossibility.   Which naturally leads to other questions about money creation and debt-fueled growth, levered up to the hilt.

So you just keep manifesting,, and we'll see, won't we.  A little realism and the reestablishment of the Rule of Law is in order at this time.

mynhair's picture

Geez, 'finite resources'.  Dude, that is what Mexicans are for!

ironymonger's picture

Well, since you're a fan of metaphysical twaddle, wrap your medula oblongata around this:

Innovation is not limited by physical resources, only the imagination.

Now where's my $12.95?

trav7777's picture

I hope that was sarcasm or just your pointing out how idiotic magical thinking is...

saiybat's picture

The problem isn't finite resources. It's under production and the non use of resources that could improve the quality of life of additional people around the world. Malthus is the founder of your ideology and he predicted the world could not support more than 3 billion people. He was wrong about that just like everything else in his pseudoscientific garbage and his cult followers. Do you want a world of no advancement and zero growth? Humanity can and has overcome any problem and nothing good can come of regression which is the only neo-malthusian proposal.


There's two words for people of this ilk, ideological extremists. I thought those in ZH were above demagoguery.

malikai's picture

Finite world supporting infinite growth. Awesome. It just makes perfect sense, doesn't it?