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American Anger: 58% Say Are "Furious About America's Politics" Compared To 49% In January, 37% Support #OWS

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The Arab Spring, which yesterday claimed its first brutal televized murder, confirming that the new regime is unfortunately in no way more civilized or humane than the old one, is slowly gaining ever more traction, and those in power who think they are immune from the basest of human emotions like Gadaffi thought, even in so-called civilized countries, may be surprised to discover otherwise. According to a new AP-GfK poll, 37% of respondents back "Occupy Wall Street" and its various offshoot variants. As can be expected, "A majority of those protest supporters are Democrats, but the anger about politics in general is much more widespread, the poll indicates." What is more disturbing is that nearly two thirds of respondents are openly expressing anger with everything that is wrong in America, even if they can't quite place their affiliation with either the Tea-Party of the #OWS movement. "58 percent say they are furious about America's politics. The number of angry people is growing as deep reservoirs of resentment grip the country." The number was 49% in January - in other words it is rising with meteoric speed. And with the topic of Marxism lately quite prevalent if for purely intellectual masturbation purposes, perhaps the practical implications of Marxist "discontent" should also be considered, and the defining question becomes what will be the tipping point beyond which silent protest and peaceful occupation morphs into something far worse.

As for the actual broad sentiment, we couldn't agree more with the following statement:

"They've got reasons to be upset, they've got reasons to protest, but they're protesting against the wrong people," Jan Jarrell, 54, a retired school custodian from Leesville, S.C., says of the New York demonstrators. "They need to go to Washington, to Congress and the White House. They're the ones coming up with all the rules."

The following will come as no surprise to those who have been following the two core discontentment movements over the past years:

While the troubled economy is at the root of anger at both government and business leaders, there's a key difference. Tea party activists generally argue that government is the problem, and they advocate for free markets. The Wall Street protesters generally say that government can provide some solutions and the free market has run amok.


Of the Americans who support the Wall Street protests, 64 percent in the poll are Democrats, while 22 percent are independents and just 14 percent are Republicans. The protest backers are more likely to approve of President Barack Obama and more likely to disapprove of Congress than are people who don't support the demonstrations.


More generally, many more Americans - 58 percent - say they are furious about the country's politics than did in January, when 49 percent said they felt that way. What's more, nearly nine in 10 say they are frustrated with politics and nearly the same say they are disappointed, findings that suggest people are deeply resentful of the political bickering over such basic government responsibilities as passing a federal budget and raising the nation's debt limit.

And as Ron Paul loosely paraphrased, at the last GOP debate, another democrat before him, "it's the economy, stupid"


The protesters cite the economic crisis as a key reason for their unhappiness. The unemployment rate hovers around 9 percent nationally. Many homeowners owe more than their homes are worth. Foreclosures are rampant. And many young people - the key demographic of the protesters - can't find jobs or live on their own.

"They all have college educations, and some have advanced degrees, and they're unemployed?" says Alice Dunlap, 63, a retired speech language pathologist from Alexandria, Va. She supports the protests because, she says, anger lingers at those who profited while the nation's economy tanked.


"We all got ripped off by Wall Street, and we continue to be ripped off by Wall Street," she says. "You can look at my portfolio, if you like."


The poll found that most protest supporters do not blame Obama for the economic crisis. Sixty-eight percent say former President George W. Bush deserves "almost all" or "a lot but not all" of the blame. Just 15 percent say Obama deserves that much blame. Nearly six in 10 protest supporters blame Republicans in Congress for the nation's economic problems, and 21 percent blame congressional Democrats.


Six in 10 protest supporters trust Democrats more than Republicans to create jobs.


Most people who support the protests - like most people who don't - actually report good financial situations in their own households.

So who is the "minority" that has been targeted by the 99%? Or is it really 99.999% as BusinessWeek analyzes some of the finer nuances in what is now a full blow "poor vs rich" class war.

A better way of thinking about the Occupy Wall Street Movement, though, is to look at what happens at the very top, in the rareified upper reaches of hedge fund land. In his investigation of investment bank bonus payments for 2008, New York attorney general (and now governor) Andrew Cuomo, found that 774 employees of the top 5 investment banks took home close to $4.2 billionin bonuses. That report prompted extensive bonus rage. But here’s a more stunning number to compare it with: for the same year, the top 25 hedge fund managers reaped $10.6 billion in gains, according to Insitutional Investor’s AR Magazine. Let’s set those numbers down again:

  • 774 investment bankers: $4.2 billion
  • 25 top hedge fund managers: $11.6 billion

There’s more: in 2009, the top 25 hedge fund managers made $25.3 billion, and in 2010 it was $22 billion.


Measured as a proportion of the people in the top 1%, financial types might not be the biggest part. Move up to the very top, and the the share of those finance is absolutely huge. Maybe “We Are The 99.999%” is a more accurate sign, but Wall Street is the right spot for the protests. We may not be sure of just who makes up the top 1%, but who’s at the pinnacle is clear.


Still, exactly which part of the financial world is pulling in the most money is something that’s worth thinking about closely. The focus of popular anger, and of proposals for reform, have been mainly banks and bankers. But if the most outsized compensation is not, ultimately, in the big investment banks but at the hedge funds, it’s not clear that reforming the bank reform will markedly change this distribution—or resolve the central complaint of the protests.

All very good observations... and all quite moot. When the tipping point is reached, we doubt the unleashed codex of vigilante mob justice will care much to look at whether occupant of XXX Crown Lane in Greenwich put down $999,999.00 on their 1040 or added a few extra zeroes.

Just ask the Bolsheviks... Or Gaddafi.


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Sat, 10/22/2011 - 11:54 | 1799937 Prometheus418
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Working 50-70 hours a week to try and sidestep constantly increasing bureaucracy and demands for shorter lead times.

And, another reply was also right- many, if not most of us, are building weapons.  That has been taking up about 90% of my time lately, where it was about 50% compared to surgical instruments two or three years ago.  

While I'm not going to be so disingenous to claim that I have "no" choice in the matter, it is the case that I don't have any choices that include feeding my family and remaining employed for the time being.  I could change jobs, sure- but then I'd be making armor or weapons systems rather than radar and HAARP components.

For the present, there are simply no players in my industry (mechanical engineering/precision machining) in my area that do not rely on contracts from the military to remain solvent- and there is little or no seed capital to start a new company.  Nobody I know is engineering social works projects like roads and bridges- aside from a few big projects, which are the domain of archetects, most roads and bridges are just cut-and-paste jobs.

As far as the falling skyscrapers go, I suspect there's plenty of engineering going on there- you're just assuming that someone was going for a result that you expected, and not the one they were actually pursuing.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:16 | 1798999 midtowng
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So you are saying we should just ignore all the fraud on Wall Street and corruption in our government, huh?

Your solution is so much easier. It doesn't require you to think.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:24 | 1799019 greenfire
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Wrong interpretation.  It's simple human nature, added to embraced ideology.  Everyone right of center, the extreme libertarians, and all the other puritan ilk that have a job now, especially the ones making a tidy sum (fully vested in the system, full of self-importance, but terrified of real unrest). They all think they deserve it, that they're better than the rabble.  It's a perfect self-reinforcing view of ones self as the model "Patriot" They spew their vitriol at the protesters in the street, beat their chests about their superior worldview, and they're smart enough to acknowledge the fraud and collusion between high level government and the banksters, but they WILL DO NOTHING to upset the apple cart.

If you're so righteous and so angry and so aware, go out and do something about it, or shut the hell up.  Kudos for the kids w/o a future making some noise.  Too bad you can't.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 01:15 | 1799244 Rynak
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Actually, i doubt that it's just anyone being able to selfsustain their own lifes NOW, spewing crap. Actually, i doubt that most - or even half - of the middle-class or just the lower-middleclass, is engaging in the usual right-wing style mudslinging.....

....rather, i'd guess that bigotry regardless of the direction it comes from, is a mental state of mind (that is a diplomatic phrase. The more "in your face" phrasing would be: It's a mental disorder, regardless of wealth and ideological direction).

Umm, what was my point? Ah, yes..... sure, one may argue that wealth influences ideological obsessions, and blocks reason..... and i guess that has some influence - but from what i have seen so far:

People just believe in what they want to believe in - even if it has no relation at all to their own lives..... wealth merely serves as a probability bias.

TL/DR? This isn't about wealth-classes.... it just is about mental capacity, pushed into one direction or the other, via upbringing and experience.... that and - i'm almost afraid to mention it: Consciousness.

P.S.: I completely fucked up this post thanks to your argumentation. Congratz (yes, i mean this honestly. Consider me brainfucked for reasons i don't understand yet.... or maybe, it's just a complete blackout.... THIS NEVER HAPPENS TO ME *sniff* (hey, if i already messed up, and wrote this incomprehensible post, i may at least try to make it funny. Yeah, i'll shut up now.)).

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:15 | 1799157 grey7beard
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>> The unemployment rate is 4% for engineers.

My brother is an engineer.  I just returned from visiting him.  I'll have to say, that guy is supremely arogant and a world class prick.  You two would get along well. 

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 07:02 | 1799716 dolly madison
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What anti-capitalist crowd.  That is a small minority at OWS.  I do have an engineering degree, and I do support OWS and I am not anti-capitalist.  Being against corporatism, is not being against capitalism.  It gets so irritating, listening to people who have not taken the time to educate themselves about what they are talking about.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:25 | 1799996 AnAnonymous
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The unemployment rate is 4% for engineers. Live with your life choices you gravy trainers!


Made me laugh.

So if those US citizens were all engineers, they wont be unemployed or the unemployment rate for engineers would still be 4pc...

The US is not the solution, the US is the problem.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:38 | 1798891 LivermoreJim
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OWS is largely a socialist front -- which is why it is supported by Obama and the Democrats. The goal is further govt control and the elimination of whatever Capitalism still exists here.

Those in OWS not socialists are Paulian anarchists -- just as bad, and in the majority at Zerohedge and the Von Mises Institute.

The number of negatives this receives will confirm it.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:49 | 1798919 j0nx
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Neither Obama nor the Democrats support the OWS movement. They are just wagging their tongues to try and make it look like they support the plight of the common man while hoping that we don't see the banker dick in their mouths as they talk. So far their lies are not working that well as pretty much nobody believes they are sympathetic to J6P.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:18 | 1799001 midtowng
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The only people that believe that Obama and the Democrats support the OWS movement are people who watch too much Fox News, or listen to too much right-wing radio.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:49 | 1799094 divide_by_zero
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They're all on the same page, same benefactor

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:38 | 1800233 -Michelle-
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He doesn't?

In an interview that will be aired tonight on ABC News, President Obama continues to express his commitment to the Occupy Wall Street protesters. 

“The most important thing we can do right now is those of us in leadership letting people know that we understand their struggles and we are on their side, and that we want to set up a system in which hard work, responsibility, doing what you’re supposed to do, is rewarded,” Obama tells ABC News. “And that people who are irresponsible, who are reckless, who don’t feel a sense of obligation to their communities and their companies and their workers that those folks aren’t rewarded.”

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:43 | 1798903 Mr_Wonderful
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To keep up credibility this machine will have to topple its friends in Saudi Arabia and other vassal states around the gulf. Best of luck with that.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:43 | 1798904 chunga
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I love the dude in this video that runs around posing as an "Underground Occupier". Too funny.

Occupy Wall Street: Undercover Occupation

The discredit operation seems to be

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:10 | 1799745 falak pema
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nothing kills like ...ridicule...and you don't need drones to throw bombs from 10000 feet up, on... oops collateral.



Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:46 | 1798913 ArkansasAngie
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Honestly ... the Fayetteville chapter of OWS is pretty darn tea party, libertarian, ron paul voting kind of folks.  They are looking for a way to express their disatisfaction and holding OWS rallys is attracting more and more people.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 00:40 | 1799558 I Got Worms
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After spending some time this week with the OWS folks in Austin, I got the same impression.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:01 | 1798952 apberusdisvet
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Hmm. I wonder what the psyop/propaganda trolls are paid to post on ZH?  They certainly need to master subtlety.  Have they been promised a night with a $2000 Ukranian whore, or membership to an elite country club?  Will they become a "hero of the NWO" and be buried with highest honors?  My sense is that they'll be expendable just like the rest of us.  But post on anyway, fellows; I need a good laugh in these times.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:12 | 1798982 Use of Weapons
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Rates of pay for #Opmetalgear users is sadly... pretty much base line. Military spec'd users at the top end, but most grunts still have families.


Which means you can turn the worm, and get right inside their noodles easily enough.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:45 | 1799079 knukles
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MDB... an invitation...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:02 | 1798956 bxy
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If this poll is true - then Ron Paul is the only choice.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:04 | 1799127 ImNotExposed
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False dilemmas are a favorite ploy of our politicians. Thanks for introducing another. The whole of propaganda is to dress logical fallacies up in a way that can be swallowed by the people, in whom the power truly rests. While the people argue non-sequiturs among themselves, cargo ships laden with spoil sail away from our shores.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:19 | 1799163 knukles
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Likewise our only chance should said poll be false.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:47 | 1799820 SheHunter
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Why the RP adulation?  He is a hypocrite of the highest order.  He expounds less government while denying me the right to choose what I do with my own body.  Skip the fist brandishing.  The decision on a woman having the right to choose does NOT belong to the states. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:12 | 1798984 el-greco
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Today we saw the nature of the barbarism that the USA, France, and the UK have sponsored. Politicians of this triumvirate of death and destruction stand low down in the dirt; on the same level as the dictator they incited other less educated human beings to murder. Is this what the process of becoming a democracy is supposed to look like? 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:17 | 1798991 slewie the pi-rat
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  • "58 percent say they are furious about America's politics...
  • ...40% too pissed off to speak...
  • ...2% undecided..."
Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:15 | 1798992 the grateful un...
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this is too bad too too bad. it shows that the divide is really partisan, (and some of us hoped is was not). now one knows exactly where this is heading, violence, with those on the right (who have almost no support for OWS) cheering on the cops to break some heads.

and with Obama initially supporting OWS in a backhanded way, and then sending in the shock troops to clean up the lawbreakers and "restore order" and protect the people (while arresting detaining and beating the shit out of them). bait and switch, lock and load. get those swing votes. Kent State all over again.

this is really depressing.

this is the people who lost half the value of their portfolio in a standoff with people who have no portfolio, and people who could lose half their money and still be filthy rich. no end game, just the end


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:52 | 1799099 divide_by_zero
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They are only there to help create "the right moment" for Soros and the rest of the NWO ilk, it will be completely staged and they will be sacrificed.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:34 | 1799047 poor fella
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I'm waiting for peeps to start popping caps in Wall Street asses...

When that happens, I'll know it's on MFFYMFMFucka

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:41 | 1799070 Julien Sorel
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On the ground report: The GA was close to repudiating both parties and the electoral system in Zuclibertad Parque.

Stupid fucking liberals killed it. Stupid fucking liberals and their Soros-MoveOn-"Union" blood money.

Days of reckoning...

Please come soon. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:31 | 1799134 mynhair
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Are we talking Puerto Rico?  Cuz that bill was snuck under the newbies' noses as 'non-binding'.

Beck went nuts over it, so this must mean Beck is right again.

Suk off, morons!

On the Dim side, the Dims gain your entire country as voters, and y'all get all the entitlements we can't pay.

Enjoy almost State-hood.

Ya still wonder why the Fwank has property in the DR?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 19:46 | 1799082 mynhair
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This is the root of the problem, sorry about the Wiki link, but I am impaired.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:13 | 1799146 knukles
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The Exam Must Certainly Contain the Easiest Selection of Questions under the Heavens.
From which just about everybody is exempt for one politically correct reason or another.  Can't discriminate on the basis of age, color, creed, sex, education, greed, intelligence, disability, wealth, wisdom, wisdom teeth, urine color, admitted drug usage, nationality, lineage, disease, hair, pox, bloody string warts, halucinaitons, wives, husbands, mistresses, temporary live in whatevers like Sting "Why Sting, it be so nice dat yo be here fo 3 days now 'cuz now all 17 kids thinks they be gots a daddy.", political preference, party, rage, anger, mental problems, STD's, religion (Muslims preferred, christians need not apply) spirituality, contact or relative distance from/with reality, union membership (as in do fucking belong) attitude, efficacy of birth certificate, ss number, nationizaton or membership in active criminal enterprise, prior military service, unfovorable military discharge, delusions, psychopathy, sociopathy or just plain fucking nuts, modestly unstable or downright good guy (positions limited to 2 per year) and any other such consideration that the Civil Service in its whole and independent discretion may or may not have in place at the time of hire, which may be changed upon the discretion of anyone who cares to fuck with the system for better or worse, intentional or unintentional.

Oh, and PS... You said impaired?  Well then, you could get a job at anytime!  Just think, free healthcare and a penion in just a few short years!  Double dipper!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:37 | 1799191 mynhair
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Big questions are:  how do you vote, and who do you know.

Crap, read the first of your last sentence as 'just drink', and I did.



Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:02 | 1799123 PaperBugsBurn
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Repent , my little xenophobic "imperialists". The gnashing of teeth has just begun for you. This is your moment of spiritual/karmic atonement. At least have the grace of facing it with grace, you piece of Ameriklansmen scum. I really have no clue as to what it is that you are so pretentious about when it comes to life in the US. Let me tell you, there are more genuinely profitable enterpreneurial opportunities more widely available in these "3rd world countries" and the FREEDOM to do with your money and your life as you please than the corporate-ravaged, bankster-generated-nightmare landscape of what's left of a once vibrant, industralized Amerikkkan economy.

Oh, and while it's not all the joos, there's a bunch of them that are at the root of the banksters' demonic doings with the money, and therefore the wealth, of man. Kill em all and let God sort them out has been your Ameriklan motto when it came to Iraquis, Nicaraguans, Persians, Vietnamese, etc etc etc in your never ending genocidal, evil power trip.

Your ride is over. You will be discarded or downgraded by the banksters who already have your replacement ready.

Zombieland here we comeeeeeeee!!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 13:35 | new eureka

Vote up!
Vote down!
Friends - for a moment, let us consider that we might all have the potential to grow - and let us connect the financial and spiritual dots... what would that look like... apropos US FED printing money for US EMPIRE, consider the following:

If China had the balls to dump its US garbage paper (cash, bonds, everything) on the world market - it could destroy US Empire in a day. And why wouldn't China do that - given US Empire relentlessly tries to screw China by De Facto USD Default, i.e. devaluation by inflation?

Is China stupid? Does China believe the fruits of its fourty years of hard labor for US Empire Elite & Clueless Consumer Masses is a pile of US garbage papers backed by nothing but said Domestic US Slave Masses submission to their US Elite Masters?

I don't think so.

As Zerohedge a.k.a. The Tyler today states there is "expectation that the US will bail out China all over again" - of course a US Empire-Centric and hegemonic delusion, a.k.a. lie, designed to obfuscate zerohedge's often stated analysis that Wall Street rigs the world with toxic debt and derivatives - i.e. that the whole world has bailed out the US Empire Elite Fuck-Scum for the past two generations - and that anything, absolutely anything US does is for the sake of US Empire Elite only. 


US doesn't bailout anyone, rather it takes from, and gets bailed out by, everyone else - all which, of course, only benefits the US Empirial Elite, and only keeps the 80% of US'ians, who make the US domestic slaves, intoxicated with cheap chunk from China - in a reversed old colonial scheme of "Let's give some glass pearls to the natives - they do so love shiny things" - only here the "natives" are the locals, the 80% US'ian disenfranchised and thoroughly enslaved masses, hooked on entertainment and vicarious living, i.e. pseudo identities, all hoping against all ods and any sane life aspiration to become stars, celebrities and rich & famous.

Oh well, what else to do when manufacturing is outsourced to China and there are neither apprenticeships nor mentor-ships nor education to be found for the millions - and so all they have is X-Factor, American Idol and other such "upward social mobility" motivational garbage to look to for material and social "salvation" - i.e. mistaking vapid dream-stuff and statistical impossibility for a compass for developing a sense of identity and dignity, via developing useful skills and thus confidence and a real strategy of life.

To all of which "I want to be a celebrity" garbage non-consciousness, I can only say that ANYONE who agrees with Dick Morris that "oh well, we will all be the lawyers and entertainers of the world" (interview on Bill O'Reilly some years ago) needs to have their head examined!

And so therefore - WHEN ZEROHEDGE READER-COMMENTATORS MOAN AND WHINE ABOUT THE ELITE'S DIVIDE & CONQUER SCHEMES - I HAVE TO SAY: THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE ELITE TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER YOU-THE US-MASSES - BECAUSE: you did not fight to preserve your republic and your core human and spiritual values - and so therefore I now have to preach these things to you like I'm some kind of old prophet or psychoanalyst, i.e. derivative prophet - whether it's any good or not, it's worth a shot -  so here we go:

You the US'ian Masses were never united - rather, you hate each other. For reference and verification of my observation look no further than to your idiotic self-created and self-bought-into nonsense concepts like "the culture wars", the ideological divide between liberals and right wingers, between old-cons and neo-cons, isolationists and globalists, hegemons and producers... etc etc etc - and it becomes very clear that you all don't love each other, or your shared Federation, but rather you love your own little ideologies and idiosyncrasies and want them each to dominate.

What do you think Jesus Christ would say to your self-absorbed, pathetic and petty provincialism? Well, what did he say to his followers and disciples? He pretty much said, over and over "don't be so petty, so small, so unforgiving, so unloving - be big - be as I am - love each other as I love you - let that be your first principle: the principle of love".

And so my question to all US'ians today is: "When are you going to show each other - and the world - how wonderful and big and courageously forgiving and loving - you really can be - how united and magnanimous you can be - how responsible you can be - for yourselves and your brothers and sisters of the world?"

That's our choice friends - sober, equanimous, kindness and grace - or ego-intoxicated, competitive smallness? 

If we choose the former - if we turn away from the unholy cult of individualism gone icon-worship - turn away from aimless collective consumption - turn to classical values, classical education and classical morality - i.e. real consciousness - maybe then we can transform the US itself - from being a Too Big To Fail and thus Needs -To-Be-Bailed-Out (by the rest of the world) Unholy-Empire Of USD Printing - maybe we can make US into the republic it was intended to be - of kindness and of freedom - for without the kindness, I tell you, there will be no freedom. 

Let us free anyone from being a submissive and anonymous individual among the 80% mass of US domestic slaves, who follows blindly and serve their masters of materialism, while squabbling over insignificant symbols of cultural and ideological division - let us be instead magnanimous and sober and kind - let us laugh at, not worship, any symbols of material power, and let us honor and share our fellow humanity - as if we have arrived - already equal, no one worth more than anyone else - and maybe then reality will follow our consciousness and our acts and we will have a renaissance of US greatness - ....

and if not - I say it is our own fault - yours and mine - for being US'ians in stead of enlightened human beings - for being, pathetic nitpicking, knuckleheads, in stead of sober, kind and larger than the pathetic competing ego, which has wrongfully been made into the slave-master and image of what the US is all about -

let us choose wisely brother and sisters, for the time is short before the end of things as they are...

share therefore your wealth and knowledge, teach and mentor those who are lost, produce and promote and support US made goods, set quality before quantity, do not brag, do not amass wealth but share it with all who are needy and worthy, because you can't take it with you

life is short like the day - hurry therefore and do right, because the dark night is coming...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:42 | 1799207 mynhair
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Life is really short, unlike your posting.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:58 | 1800181 RSloane
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LOL no shit! I do believe that guy just splooged on ZH.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:37 | 1800027 AnAnonymous
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If China had the balls to dump its US garbage paper (cash, bonds, everything) on the world market - it could destroy US Empire in a day. And why wouldn't China do that - given US Empire relentlessly tries to screw China by De Facto USD Default, i.e. devaluation by inflation?

Is China stupid? Does China believe the fruits of its fourty years of hard labor for US Empire Elite & Clueless Consumer Masses is a pile of US garbage papers backed by nothing but said Domestic US Slave Masses submission to their US Elite Masters?

I don't think so.


Typical US citizenism.

Pushing for false conclusions through wrong postulates.

China, as every other country, need certain basic goods to support itself.Stuff like commodities.

The US has forced all the commodity rich countries it could to trade their commodities against the USD.

China dropping their reserves will do shit to the US. It would kill China though as it will deprive the Chinese from an access to the commodity world market.

Simple as that.

The US has made sure that commodity rich countries are not in a position to reject the bargain, through its military hegemony over the world.

The USD is not backed by anything US american. Countries care no shit about Ipods, dingleberries and the rest. But they need vitally an access to commodities. Hence their need to have USD.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:09 | 1799137 sschu
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Here is one of the real reasons American's are VERY angry right now:

Federal employees whose compensation averages more than $126,000 and the nation’s greatest concentration of lawyers helped Washington edge out San Jose as the wealthiest U.S. metropolitan area, government data show. 

Americans know the government, at virtually all levels, has become a cesspool of corruption, graft and cronyism.  I would like to believe that it can be fixed, but not so sure.  This has the feel of a market top, a blow-off.  It will all come crashing down and we can only hope there is something left to re-build from.

Whether you agree or not with Pat Buchanan (and I usually do not), his latest book on the Death of the West spells it out in clear terms. The problem is when the crash comes, the only entity with the resources to re-establish order is the one that caused the mess, the Federal government.  It will be anarchy or some sort of political dictatorship. 

Freedom, it was nice knowing you ….  :-( 




Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:31 | 1799188 Caviar Emptor
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Don't you get it yet? This is an existential moment in American history. "The System" has failed the majority, despite the fact that the system promised majority rule. That is the definition of oligarchy: a corner on power by a small group. America has become a welfare state, but not the one you've heard about. It's a Corporate Welfare State. Most of the nation's resources are being expended to preserve the power of the status quo. Taxpayers are supporting failed Private Enterprises: failed banks, failed Wall Street firms, failed corporations and also oil companies (tax-subsidized still) and the war-profiteering industry that wants war to be a business that we stay in forever even afetr mission-accomplished.

Economic resources are being misallocated at an accelerating and alarming rate. And the net result is simple: The majority of Americans can not afford their lives anymore thanks to the deadly combination of declining incomes and net worth plus rising fixed costs for staples and essentials. And extreme wealth mal-distribution is both a cause and a symptom.

This is the most non-political anger movement ever: it's like a food riot in India. Cost of living has risen beyond the means of average people

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:09 | 1799210 mynhair
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'Failed the majority'

I believe it has satisfied the majority.  Maybe not the voting majority yet, but we did get Oweblahma.

Fraud has yet to be prosecuted, or even inferred.

Non-political my ass.  These klowns are so dense, they fail to realize they are protesting Oblahma.

They are non, because they are non-brained.

Pubic edication works!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:48 | 1799321 sschu
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America's problems are at the core moral.  The economic fallout is just the result of this decline in basic values.  Fix the economy and we are still left with a cesspool of immorality, dishonesty, corruption and graft.

The modern culture, with its self centered, free-lunch, something for nothing, post-modern, moral-relativism, short term and me-me-me mentality, is in no position to recover.  Until some semblance of sanity is restored, we will continue to  muddle along.

We need a cultural revival, until then, the economy has limited upside.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:41 | 1800035 AnAnonymous
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A cultural revival? Revival of what?

US citizens nature and values have not changed one bit since the inception of the US.

What is coming at an end is the world capacity to support and satisfy the US citizen nature.

No surprising at all, once again, US citizens are expansionists and expansionists always follow the same pattern when they reach this stage in expansion:

-few admit that the core issue is that expansion is slowly coming to a halt.
-the rest, the overwhelming majority want to see the issue as being a loss of cultural value or/and a loss in the quality of the genetic stock.

That is the way it is.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:28 | 1800221 sschu
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US citizens nature and values have not changed one bit since the inception of the US.

Thank you for your response.  I guess you never heard of the Progressive movement of the early 1900s and the post-modern mindset manifested in the 1960s onward.

The acceptance that people are fundemantally good, and only corrupted by an unjust society along with the idea that there is no God has changed the mindset of the people.  This is what you get for these ideas.


Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:45 | 1799211 Parth
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You know you are in trouble when an Indian immigrant sez the government of USA now resembles the government of India, even the republican nomination with all this Mormonism and true Christian mud slinging is direct out of Indian and even Iranian right wing politics. Truly after the fall of communism we thought its milk and honey but what we have is America's great leap backward. 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:54 | 1799223 mynhair
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Was this immigrant illegal, or a Dim?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:25 | 1799279 Parth
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oh legal and 140 iq.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:49 | 1799219 Fix It Again Timmy
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Escaping in a convoy?  Bad idea.  Better to hide inside a beat-up old truck.  Death as a result of a failure of imagination...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:52 | 1799225 mynhair
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But what to do with all those Ukranian nurses?  Leave them behind? 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:52 | 1799226 markar
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The only hope is the generals run out of money or say "no mas" before the whole planet is enslaved, or annihilated by the NWO.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:56 | 1799233 mynhair
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I'm voting for Oweblahma cuz he truly represents the intelligence  of the populace in the US these daze.  Just wish he'd be on Dancing With The Stars.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:20 | 1799378 Sathington Willougby
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Big talk for a bunch of slaves.

Cower and fear, slaves.

And one day we'll all stand before our forebearers and they are going to rapidly put a big ass boot in our asses for fucking up a good thing or not standing up to filthy shit.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:23 | 1799379 ricocyb13
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really funny to read all your US-political postings and views regarding "republican, democratic, left, right, libertarian, whatever,"

but you all are missing the fact: no matter what you vote, you are still (being) fucked.

Disclaimer: the word "fucked" is not censored in my country of residence.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:32 | 1799398 Rynak
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P.S. on my arrogant behalf regarding your post:

They are shorttterm fucked, unless they vote for someone, who at least has a history of follwing up to his/her promises (as opposed to 99% of policiticans, who just enact thatever policies come to their mind, regardless of what they implied during election.... which in turn implies, that the voters voted for no policies at all, but just personality).

In the longterm? Well, yeah, what do you expect from a style of democracy, where voters have ZERO (ZERO!) legitimate influence on actually implemented POLICIES?

So yeah, at best, honest candidate as a "stepping stone" first, revolution as a second step. At worst, there is only the second step. Notice that there is no way around the second step anyways in the longterm.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:24 | 1799384 Fozzy Slippers
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There's only less than 20 top elite inbreed Oligarch families. And 2000 or so minions doing the bidding. They're not as untouchable as you might think.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:19 | 1799471 Mister Minsk
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RIP the System!

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:22 | 1799473 jasebishop
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All politics is a joke. Anybody who believes there is any importance to which political box you belong is a much a sheep as the guy who believes his bank is actually there to help him.

The whole political game is just that, a game. By playing the political game we step into the arena of the divided. 

Using the #OWS terminology, the 1% love it when the 99% are at loggerheads in political argument because it takes the focus off them and they can continue with whatever it is they are doing. Essentially, the 1% are shielded by the political argument, not just by the politicians themselves.

Having been at Occupy Sydney here in Australia, I have seen a group of people who call themselves non-politically aligned, a group from the Socialist Alternative, a group from the Marxists and a group from the Communists. They have all been scrambling to springboard their own sect over the others using the Occupy banner as the vehicle.

A very small minded approach I'm sure you will agree. They gather together to fight against oppression from big banks, human greed within corporations and corrupt politics but all they fight it with is more of the same seemingly thinking that their own politics is better than the politics we already have.

They say the system is broken. I don't know about the rest of the occupations but Occupy Sydney is broken.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:26 | 1799488 geekgrrl
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TD said: "As for the actual broad sentiment, we couldn't agree more with the following statement:

"They've got reasons to be upset, they've got reasons to protest, but they're protesting against the wrong people," Jan Jarrell, 54, a retired school custodian from Leesville, S.C., says of the New York demonstrators. "They need to go to Washington, to Congress and the White House. They're the ones coming up with all the rules.""

If the problem is fascism, or the merger of private corporations and the state - and I think there is a good deal of evidence in support such a thesis, then it's not a choice between just protesting Wall Street or Washington, but the realization that the two are no longer distinguishable from one another in many important ways. In light of the quote from Mayer Amschel Rothschild: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws," it seems the Tylers are misguided in their belief the problem lies in Washington alone.

And did I read this right, they quoted a retired school custodian for this sentiment? This reminds me of the comic this week from Tom Tomorrow, where the "Invisible Hand of the Free Market" says: "...We'll promote stories of poverty-stricken, debt-riddled Americans with no health insurance who are HAPPY to make due with less. ---- So that wealth producers such as yourselves can be rewarded with EVEN MORE!

I'm with GW and many others on this site that support a grand unification of left, right, and middle for the purposes of eliminating the central banker beast once and for all and taking back our country and putting it under a Constitutional footing once again.

Choice phrase from the OP: "deep reservoirs of resentment"

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 00:33 | 1799552 Breaker
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"Just ask the Bolsheviks... Or Gaddafi."

Or ask the Kulaks how it went for them. One elite was replaced by a different elite. The middle class got crushed.

As for the article, it misses the fundamental complaint of the Tea Party about Wall Street--the taxpayers paid the huge bonuses. I don't think OWS gives a hoot about fleecing the taxpayers. Their complaint seems to be that taxpayer money should be sent to the OWS folks instead of Wall Street.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:51 | 1799624 Lady Heather...UNCLE
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Million Dollar Bonus: you rock! USA USA USA

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:58 | 1799627 NuYawkFrankie
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Re 58% Say Are "Furious About America's Politics

ONLY 58% ????  

Just goes to show: You CAN fool some of the people ALL of the time...

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 03:19 | 1799630 OldPhart
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Pissed?  Fuck yeah I'm pissed.

I'm pissed that megacorps and their junior partners, unions, own our government.  Between the two partners we have a flood of money into campaigns to influence spending to their benefit.  The actual corporate structure of a union is NO different than a megacorp. I'm not talking about the rank and file union worker, I'm talking about the Union structure.


In cowboy terms:  We're a western civilization.  We have our own western traditions that I feel we should begin to revive.

Since I live in the West, in THE MOST western civilization I feel that western justice be applied using the traditional tree branch, rope and skittish filly.  Filling the void between rope and filly would be every non-military federal worker, megacorp and union from the level of Manager on up to the Top Executive.  We need to carefully review amendments made to the Constitution that allowed the rise of oligarchy and institutionalized corruption and repeal them.  Then adopt new amendments designed to deny attempts in future experimentation.

In computer terms:  Our operating system is fatally infected by a malicious virus.  We need a complete reboot, with system wipe, before we can reinstall the primary operating software and implement new, more robust firewalls to prevent future infections.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 04:00 | 1799653 i-dog
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"In computer terms: ......" = +1: nice analogy.

"Filling the void between rope and filly would be every......" = -1: you went a bit Old Testament there! Plus, TPTB would just *love* you to wipe out the middle class *for* them ... that would be falling right into their hands (and, I suspect, their plan)!

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 04:15 | 1799660 OldPhart
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The 'middle-class' are those who work on Main Street, not Wall Street.  And you can believe that Main Street comprises 99% of the middle-class.

If you're paid by the enemy, you're a mercenary and still an enemy.



{and both analogies are saying the same thing}

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 03:51 | 1799646 Arkadaba
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Vini, vidi, vici. I keep looking at this and it keeps infuriating me. It makes me sick and I have a fairly strong stomach.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 05:11 | 1799677 jmcadg
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What is it with the American fear of socialism, but happy under a fascist state! Well, maybe not for much longer with the rise of OWS consciousness. Socialism is not Communism.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:35 | 1800230 blunderdog
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I think its the importance of "the other" to hate.  Fascism is a lot more dependent on "we're all righteous and its just those specific assholes that are ruining everything" than socialism is.

For sure, it's been in America is going to suck if we spend our time hating each other.  It doesn't matter what political or economic system is in place. 

Spending life surrounded by people you hate just sucks.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 10:38 | 1799859 11b40
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This is some serious stuff.  Just think what it would be like if our protests escalated to a similar level. 

The big difference between here and virtually every other country is the preponderance of real weapons Americans have, and have access to.  We can readliy buy about anything we want weapon-wise within a few miles of home.  We don't have many cobblestones, but we do have a lot of Smith & Wessons, Colts, & Brownings.  While it may seem far-fetched to the average couch potato, if the checks for unemployment, social security, welfare, govt pensions, etc., all stopped, there would be riots in the streets quickly.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 06:15 | 1799700 grekko
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Actually, the OWS & the Tea Party have a good sized overlap on the issue of fascism/corporatocracy.  If they would just stand together where their views match we could really turn things around.  The other issues to the far left and the far right could be sorted out later.  On the biggest problems this country has, we all know the answer.  Let's work together on this one.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 15:07 | 1800268 DosZap
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Never happen dude. HOW in the hell do you,can you imagine Marxists/Socialists/Fascists coming to a meeting of the minds with a huge group of likely the more / most conservative patriotic group of Capitalists in America.

Their ideology is so far apart as to the end goals, there is not even room for debate.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:14 | 1802279 blunderdog
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I agree about the "no room for debate" problem.

That old lady with the (used) teabags stapled to her hat wanted to be sure they'd keep government hands off her Medicare.

Hard to debate a position like that.

Meanwhile, there are OWS'ers lining up to gripe about "new Jim Crow" conditions.  (Apparently they don't want to get arrested.)

Personally, I see a lot of opportunity.  Seems to me you could sell pay-per-view subscriptions if you started holding live OWS/Tea Party cage-matches.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:10 | 1799746 pcrs
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I'm afraid the 58% will now be confronted with their worst fear: There government does not care what they think and they no longer have to care. The power imbalance between government and serfs is so big, that the opinion of the slaves is irrelevant. Looking back, this has already been so for quiet a while. The slaves only had the illusion of control as long as they asked for bigger and more powerful government using more coercion in wars on poverty, wars on terror, wars on drugs, wars on Iraqis and Afghanistanis and Yemenitis, Libians, carbon exhalers etc. etc.

Plees for more coercion were obeyed, plees for less power were not made. That was not control. If you ask a sadist to abuse you, you do not control him. Try asking him not to abuse you.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:40 | 1799765 mick_richfield
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The use of pure fiat 'money' immediately implies that we are serfs, or slaves.  This is why the power imbalance has become so large.  When 'our' government was compelled to use real money -- it had no choice but to convince, through reasoned argument, the people to give them money.  That has changed.

If we must accept 'money' that powerful men can create at whim, then they can have any influence they wish over every aspect of our lives.  And they care not who makes our 'laws'.  They will let us vote -- for candidates of their choosing, who argue over issues of their choosing.  Any other issues, and the men who discuss them, will be airbrushed out of reality.

The real revolution is when we stop using their money.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:16 | 1799794 pcrs
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I'd say that is historically incorrect. Many periods in history knew gold as money. Yet these periods new governments. These governments did what all governments do and did:"get ther money through coercion from a group of serfs". The roman empire used gold and silver as money, yet disobying to pay your taxes, would have resulted in violence againts you.

Note that this is different from the coercion that follows when you do not pay after you voluntary agreed to buy something. When I agree to send 100 euros if someone sends me an ipod, and the person sends the ipod while I do not sent the 100 euro, I am the thief and started to make the relation involuntary, justifying my coercion as well. Yet I never agreed to buy the product "Kill Kadhaffi" or "bailout Fanny and Freddy". So their coercion that would follow me not paying them, or avoiding their inflation by using liberty dollars, is making me the serf.

Government is a group of people who iniitate force against people who have not agreed on anything with their overlords. You are a serf as soon as you have a government, not from the moment you have to use their fiat money. Although fiat money is the pinnacly of their theft, only recognized by 1 in a million man for what it is.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:32 | 1799810 SheHunter
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Great articles in ZH but the comment quality has plummeted since TD opened it up to all.   The more troll posts and mindless bicker posts the more old-timer quality posters have left ZH, or do not bother to comment on ZH.  Bring back the math quiz!  

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 10:05 | 1799829 Marley
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Speaking of "intellectual masturbation", a lot of that displayed around here, I merely need to say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Ron Paul.  But this isn't a political site so I need not worry about getting flamed if I say Paul sucks dick, or Obama has his finger up his butt, or the GOP is a bunch of homosexuals.  Have a good day.  Oh, yeah.  That rumble in the distance isn't the Tea Party, the OWS, or even a Spring Uprising.  You can't label it or direct it.  Its the inevitable change.  No one can claim to know what it will be.  All I know is that it is breathing hard and coming soon.  Now that is intellectual masturbation.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 11:05 | 1799860 i-dog
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 10:37 | 1799857 Alex Kintner
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Yup. It's the corrupt politicians, both parties, that have legislated a rigged system. The Morbidly Rich are simply reaping thier rewards of bribery -- Legalized Looting.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:04 | 1799950 Hugh_Jorgan
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"American Anger: 58% Say Are "Furious About America's Politics" Compared To 49% In January, 37% Support #OWS" 

Should read:

"American Anger: 58% Say Are "Furious About America's Politics" Compared To 49% In January, 37% Support #OWS, 80% of those who support #OWS are clueless about who owns #OWS"

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:13 | 1800101 the grateful un...
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realize this is 64/22/14 which if you break down the indies 50/50, is 75/25 Democrat to Republican support for OWS. then you add that note that AMONG the supporters of OWS 68% thought George Bush was responsible for the economy. That means there is a 1:1 correlation between those who support OWS and who blame Bush for the economic problems. 

and while only 25% of Republicans are OWS supporters, you could extrapolate that the 75% of Republicans against OWS represent at least 50% of that group which is FURIOUS, they do not blame Bush, and are VICIOUSLY partisan. in other words totally disconnected from reality.

to be fair most Dems don't buy into the Tea Party either. Check and mate.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:20 | 1799986 PulauHantu29
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Fairness. That's the central point imo. Rewarding the people who caused the crisis, the highly educated financial wizards who testified "No one saw this coming" bull is the main problem while the rest of the country bears the brunt of the austerity and recession.

It's about inequality and injustice and greed.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:08 | 1800095 Absalon
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The tipping point will be when the Super Committee deadlocks and medicare and social security automatically get cut.


The Tea Party and OWS should compromise and agree to throw large numbers of both bankers and politicians in prison.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:57 | 1800179 Snakeeyes
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This is helping contribute to the anger!!!!!!!!!!!

"1987 Was Last Year When Wages Exceeded Inflation (Social Security Payroll Data) - And It's Getting Worse!"

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:46 | 1800234 DosZap
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The number of angry people is growing as deep reservoirs of resentment  (hatred) grip the country."

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:48 | 1800245 MobBarley
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I'm trying my hand at writing speeches for the president.

How's this:


We're in a faith based recovery and we may have to wander in the desert for 40 years

but we will eventually reach the promised land and I intend to lead us there.

 There are many out there that would like to see my crucifixion (long pause) and

they may just get that but what they're not counting on is my resurection!

  I will rise from the dead after 3 days and so will the American Economy.

 You can take that check to the bank and probably cash it. Ummm.

 I can't gaurentee that Social Security checks will go out but I can gaurentee

 that every American will have a place to stay if the government has to provide

 that then so be it. It will be done. Our accusers often say we're only serving

 the interests of Corporations and not people, but we have the Supreme Court

 on our side that we are in fact serving People..and Persons to be more precise.

 I have the audacity to dream of an American Economic Recovery because Job

 Support is still number one in my book, and I intend to keep writing it. Everyday.

 Chapter after chapter of great economic news is coming down the pike because

 I'm creative like that. You could say's it's my highest art form, and one of

 my sources of true pride. Stubborn Pride. I'm stubbornly proud of my accomplishments

 and you should be too. Proud of Our accomplishments together. Collectively.

 We have acheived before goals some said could not be, and now, we're on

 the edge of this Newfound Glory for America. Our miraculous Pheonix like recovery

 from the ashes. Because we know America is the land of our Fore Fathers, and

 they had the audacity to dream just as I do. Won't you join us and the world

 will live as one.


 THank you and Goodnight!



Sat, 10/22/2011 - 16:01 | 1800338 boattrash
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So, according to Obama, the war is over!  I think the Cocksucker-In-Chief should fly out, stand on the deck of an aircraft carrier, and proclaim "Mission Accomplished". What the fuck could be more suiting, than for him to tell the truth? Well, with Libya's leader now dead, lots of people will want to rule that oil. After a bit of time passes, I predict it will strongly resemble fucking Nigeria...Then we have the Arab Spring (and fall, and winter)....Then you have the fucking Socialists in Europe rioting, and burning shit down...A not-so-stable outlook for Israel in that neck of the woods...A mixed bag of people in the OWS rallies all over the U.S. (including the foreign cocksucker, Ahmed Maher, trained by the State Dept, as well as Soros) to stir a little shit here. ...Oh yes, almost forgot our collapsing economy....Yes I believe that he has pushed the Socialist, Islamic, Union agendas, almost far enough to lay the groundwork for a third World War....Hey wait! Isn't World War great for the Federal Reserve System? Oh, silly me! Yes, I think he should say, "Mission Accomplished"........Lock and Load Brothers, Lock and Load!  P.S. Hey Ben, how's your I.T. spy program working? FUCK YOU BOTH, Ben and Obama...(AKA) Rob and Bob, Suck and Slurp, Hump and Pump, Top and Bottom!!!   Sincerely, Boattrash

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:54 | 1801278 butchtrucks
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NY police need to learn from their Australian counterparts how to clear these Occupy scum off the street.  No pussyfooting down there.   Check out these clips of the dirty filthy hippy slackers being cleaned off the streets of Sydney and Melbourne by local cops - including macing some libtard bitch right in the face!

When the hell are US police going to start clamping down in the same way on the pinko/punko socialist rabble who think they can camp out in our public places and challenge our way of life?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:11 | 1801302 Grand Supercycle
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SP500 weekly chart shows megaphone wedge and looks bullish.

Market consensus became clearer on Friday so back to the original bullish analysis and SP500 weekly chart reverts to bullish/neutral.

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