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On America's In Dependence Day

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By Bill Frezza, originally posted in Forbes Magazine

Lamenting The Lost Legacy Of Independence Day

Why do we still celebrate Independence Day? Is it a lingering habit, a mindless bit of nostalgia, a time to indulge in fireworks and barbecues, devoid of any deeper meaning? Can anyone honestly argue that our nation still honors the values, or practices the principles, for which our Founders fought?

Today, most Americans have been trained to be embarrassed by the “extremist” individualist ethos that made the protection of liberty the primary purpose of government. They have been taught to apologize for the shortcomings of the “rich white men” who led the revolution. A majority of Americans now subscribe to an expansive view of government as both great provider and beneficent leveler. Its primary purpose is to redress unequal or unhappy outcomes, regardless of their source, through wealth redistribution on a scale so vast that it mocks the concept “private property.”

As for the causes of revolution, we’ve lost sight of them, too. King George III was a champion of laissez-faire compared to the modern cradle-to-grave entitlement state. The swollen capital city named after the man who won our freedom now claims the prize for erecting “a Multitude of new offices” bent on sending out “Swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.” If there is a field of endeavor that the federal government does not yet regulate, subsidize, or penalize, just wait. A new law is only a “crisis” away.

Have these new offices been imposed on us by some malevolent force that has undermined the workings of democracy? No. We the people ceaselessly demand new offices at an accelerating rate. The majority of Americans vote as if they believe that massive new government programs— created by incomprehensibly complex laws and administered by increasingly unaccountable bureaucrats—can solve an expanding array of “problems” which our Founders would have surely concluded were the proper province of civil society and not the sovereign state.

The King was criticized for unjustly imprisoning seamen. Today, our federal and state governments imprison more of our fellow citizens than any totalitarian regime in history—the vast majority for violating a futile prohibition on the possession, sale, or consumption of substances our Founders would not have thought twice about. Vast portions of our youth are thus rendered permanently unemployable, branded as felons and outcasts with nowhere to turn but a life of crime. And yet we persist in this folly, unable to admit that drug prohibition has been as huge a failure as alcohol prohibition.

And taxes? The Founders knew a tax when they saw one—and there were very few they could abide, with or without representation. Thanks to a Supreme Court that long ago gave up defending the Constitution, we now have a chameleon levy that is not a tax when politically inconvenient yet magically becomes a tax when seeking constitutional muster. As if we didn’t have a wide enough variety of taxes, this new tax is designed to penalize anyone who refuses to participate in a great communal project designed to make every citizen even more deeply dependent on the government.

Little by little, the home of the brave and the land of the free has become a nation of rent-seeking dependents clamoring for their share of state largess. Even before the latest entitlement blowout called Obamacare, we crossed the line where more than half of Americans receive some kind of assistance from the government every month, paid for by the fewer than half that still pay income taxes. As we move into the future and the number of dependents grows while the taxpayer pool shrinks, we call the result social justice rather than its old name: theft.

Our forefathers shed blood rather than render unto King George. Yet today we madly mortgage our nation’s future to foreign powers, piling debt upon debt without limit or thought as to how it will be repaid. These debts ensnare our children and grandchildren even as we stop having them, confident in the knowledge that the government will take care of us in our old age, so why bother with the trouble and expense?

If we were still a nation capable of shame with enough intellectual integrity to call things as they are, if we hadn’t debauched our language as badly as our currency, if we had the courage to look in the mirror and see how woefully we have squandered our Founders’ legacy, this Fourth of July would be a day not of celebration but of atonement.

Give some thought to what we have lost as we mark another In Dependence Day. May providence have mercy on our nation, lest we end up getting what we deserve.


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Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:52 | 2587596 Socialized Losses
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As a starter: No pay taxes = No Vote. Bring your voter registration & your tax return to the polls.  If you have no skin in the game then you have no voice in making the rules.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:29 | 2587698 AllWorkedUp
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No real surprise. This is what happens to every nation when they allow the Khazars to plant their seeds and take hold. Destructive, corrupt parasites.


Thu, 07/05/2012 - 04:35 | 2588116 AnAnonymous
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Absolutely. The US of A was surrounded with monarchies, which the FF perceived as vindicative and the priority was to avoid the so called democracy.

But hey, US citizen founding fathers were parangons of US citizen freedom and they had slaves. So why not?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 13:28 | 2589229 akak
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But hey, US citizen founding fathers were parangons of US citizen freedom

Parangon: A n-dimensional, x-sided imaginary geometric shape which does not exist in the real world, but exists only in the autistic, bigoted and retarded mind of pro-Communist Chinese trolls.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:40 | 2586964 kdervin
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The anthem of the United States should be the War Song from "Duck Soup."

To war, to war, to war we're gonna go

In case you haven't heard before

I think they think we're going to war

We're going to war!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:44 | 2586984 LouisDega
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Great fucking movie. By far the best Marx Brothers flick. A must own for everyones DVD collection

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:40 | 2586967 max2205
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Fee surcharge exise tax duties levies = TAX bitchezzzz

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:43 | 2587126 tenpanhandle
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What's with everyone calling us "bitchezzz"  ..... I get tired of hearing it bitchezzz.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:36 | 2587231 hivekiller
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That's the favorite word of queers.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:05 | 2586969 Flakmeister
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A historic day in the history of H. Sapiens, The Higgs Boson has been discovered (en fin!!)

 Press release

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:11 | 2587063 juangrande
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So there is a God???

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:27 | 2587099 Flakmeister
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Leon Lederman used to call it "That God Damn Particle".... The Damn was dropped for public consumption.. 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:57 | 2587414 Hulk
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Its funny hearing the press report on the "god particle", not knowing the story behind the name...

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:56 | 2587507 CPL
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/ITT:  People with deep religious and non religious beliefs with dogmatic reactions!  gogogogogogogogogo!


<grab popcorn>..I love cheap seats.


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 23:15 | 2587886 ZeroAvatar
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Apparently, there IS a God PARTICLE...............

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:17 | 2587194 The Alarmist
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You can't be certain it's a Higgs-Boson, now can you?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:44 | 2587236 Flakmeister
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True... to a point... You know it is a scalar or tensor boson because of the decay modes.... A vector particle cannot decay into a pair of photons

The ratio of the diphoton to b bbar branching ratios is also highly suggestive...

It is basically impossible for a tensor state to have a lower mass than a scalar state if object is composite...

Lets put it this way, you have a bigger mystery if it isn't the Higgs..

Now the real question and the tough work, is to  verify that the properties of this particle are consistent with the Standard Model Higgs or if is a product of SuperSymmetry (or some other theoretical framework)..... 

Edit:  Almost forgot to mention that the rate of production is consistent with a SM Higgs... So if it is produced at the correct rate, decays the way it is supposed to... i.e. if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck...

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:49 | 2587391 The Alarmist
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... it's still only similar to a hypothetical duck.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:41 | 2587579 Flakmeister
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Let me guess...

You believe in angels and magic....

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:46 | 2587719 WaterWings
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I don't know what just happened but it best involve pyromania.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:58 | 2587599 Socialized Losses
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I saw the same proof for Bigfoot.

Hold it! CH1 is that you?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:11 | 2587617 Flakmeister
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Queue "Parade of the Asshats"...

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:41 | 2586973 XXL66
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It doesn't matter, we are past peak civilisation...

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:45 | 2586992 CH1
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we are past peak civilisation...

I just want to get past Peak Obedience.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:58 | 2587513 CPL
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When people aren't paid, they show you your worth.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:20 | 2587086 Sudden Debt
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yep, chimps learned to walk straight and became homo sapiens and now because of all the physical decay and bad backs everybody is starting to walk closer to the ground again... nice evolution...

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:41 | 2586975 dark pools of soros
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Libya was independent and look what that got them

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:42 | 2586977 max2205
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Thought. 1776. USA IPO's. 2012. USA is a RIMM. Value trap or worse

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:42 | 2586979 Payable on Death
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I do not choose to become a common man. It is my right to be uncommon... if I can. I seek opportunity, not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master or bend under any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself; enjoy the benefits of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, this I have done.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:18 | 2587079 janus
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Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:26 | 2587098 GeneMarchbanks
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<begins slow clap>

Absolutely. Because we all know, advertizing one's thoughts is what really matters.

Rock, Flag and Eagle!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:37 | 2587116 Payable on Death
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Sorry, forgot to source this: Dean Alfange, Circa 1952.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:43 | 2586983 Vegetius
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"I too have a certain idea of America. Moreover, I would not feel entitled to say that of any other country, except my own. This is not just sentiment, though I always feel ten years younger - despite the jet-lag - when I set foot on American soil: there is something so positive, generous, and open about the people - and everything actually works. I also feel, though, that I have in a sense a share of America." --  Margaret Thatcher

Happy Independence Day

"To be free is better than to be unfree - always. Any politician who suggests the opposite should be treated as suspect." -- Margaret Thatcher

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:57 | 2587021 GeneMarchbanks
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That was wonderful. Nothing proves your freedom like Margaret Thatcher telling you you are free.

Yay Freedumb!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:48 | 2587134 tenpanhandle
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you sir are a cynic and a dick and they don't have to go hand in hand.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:38 | 2587239 Bay of Pigs
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Not only that, he holds a US passport yet bashes anything American.

He's a hypocrite of the worst kind. 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:10 | 2587299 AnAnonymous
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Holding US citizenship and being a proponent of 'Americanism' does not forcefully hand in hand.

US citizens have this funny: they have been so pampered by their state that they are so used to shifting their shit onto others, they do not mind saying one thing and the contrary in the same breath.

Holding a citizenship is a random fact of life. Promoting 'Americanism' is a choice.

Holy cow. Even US citizens knew that at their start. The randomness of birth and so on.

US citizens, the pinnacle of human civilization, nothing better has ever existed.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:23 | 2587325 akak
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Holding Chinese citizenship and being a proponent of Chinese Citizenism does not forcefully expel the roadside shitwipings from one's hand.

Chinese citizens have this funny: they have been so abused by their state that they are so used to shifting their psychological shit and neuroses onto others (and onto roadsides), they do not mind saying one thing and the contrary in the same breath.  This results in monolizing of the speeching means and blobbing-uppityness.

Holding a citizenship is a random fact of life. Promoting Chinese Citizenism is a choice.
So is shitting on the side of the road after eating General Tsao's cocker spaniel.

Holy cow. Even Chinese citizens know that their hero, Mousy Dung, killed tens of millions of his own antlike, rabbit-breeding Chinese subjects. Not to mention the Tibetans!  The randomness of mass murder and genocide and so on.

Chinese Citizenism, the nadir of human civilization, nothing worse has ever existed.

Make me laugh!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:02 | 2587425 Manthong
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No doubt Daniel Hannan is disappointed in the USA today.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:24 | 2587339 Bay of Pigs
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You missed my main point which is not surprising.

You and Gene are a lot alike. Selfish, arrogant, boastful, condescending, etc...

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 04:37 | 2588117 AnAnonymous
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Selfish, arrogant, boastful, condescending, etc...


With all these attributes, one might qualify as a US citizen.

Even though, displaying those attributes is not enough. You have to excell in them to hope to be.

Experience taught me it is useless to compete with US citizens on certain fields.

It takes a US citizen to be a US citizen.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:43 | 2587373 monad
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Tiocfaidh ár lá, Marge


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:14 | 2587442 Apostate2
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Beidh lá eile ag an bPaorach! 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:12 | 2587526 akak
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Nsdiou aednoid nado pewwemn adnlff lmnvdadp!


PS: How do ANY redheads (hideous and ghostly mutants that they are) ever find anyone to have sex with them (except maybe other redheads)?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 00:31 | 2587964 4horse
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I also feel, though, that I have in a sense a share of America . . . whose ploughshares, beaten into swords, were so richly awarded me f-freely by The City Of London. who do own everything from here to there lock,stock&barrrell rrrrr, of f-fun full of monkeys, and from sea-to-shining-sea, nile to the euphrates, see, cause they ain't a going to let just any old al-qaeda, al-capone or al-zheimers take that away f-frrrrom me


No No: They can't take that away from me


0! and 0! I also f-feel as though rr&i now occupy the same space at the same time  .  .  .

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:46 | 2586987 poor fella
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Can't think of a better way to spend Independence Day than this 3 hours with Chris Hedges. Incredible insight and depth.

Families should spend the time to watch this together.

The American Empire Is Over & The Descent Is Going To Be Horrible


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:57 | 2587019 DoChenRollingBearing
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Thank you for the nice link, listening now.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:34 | 2587351 Oldrepublic
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many thanks for the link

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 22:30 | 2587825 Bollixed
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Thanks for the link, great video of someone who has the capacity to articulate a great many truths.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:45 | 2586990 China
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China is very please with the progress Amerika has made. Soon, very soon, you will see China's plan. You folks are unamerican to talk like this. Amerika is the greatest country on Earth. A program like Obamacare should have been inacted years ago. There should also be free housing and food for everything. It's a right afterall. Fortunately, most of Amerika does not expose the values you nitwits here do and China is very, very pleased. Be sure to vote in the upcoming election. Don't miss your opportunity to participate in the Presidential Reality Show. Support our Candidates, Obama or Romney.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:35 | 2587112 Waterfallsparkles
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If there was free Housing, free Food, free Health Care, free Transportation, who would have to Work?

If no one Works, who pays for all of the free Stuff.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:50 | 2587139 Oh regional Indian
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So far, the rest of the world has been paying for it. Round and round...

Unless some-one finds a fourth world....


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:16 | 2587314 Colonial Intent
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2 days work, 5 days holiday?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:38 | 2587652 China
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First of all, problems arise in countries like Amerika where people still semi have the right to ask questions. Waterfallsparkles, you should be locked up for asking who pays for so and so. That is not your concern. You should concern yourself with buying our Trinkets and trading in your gold teeth for federal reserve notes so that you can buy a large screen TV from China. Working is for the days of old. Now, thanks to the wonderful foresight of people like the Honorable Ben Bernanke, people can get fresh printed money. Soon, Amerika go full way of China and no questions ask what so ever. Please don't think about this stuff. You should consider buying the new IPAD 3. They made in China. If there was a real problem don't you think Amerikans would understand and have the foresight to do something about it? Amerikans are the best in the world and do everything for everyone else. Do you think you are so smart that you see something that most others don't? What about you do you think is different? Obviously, President Obama has every thing under control. He has fist bumped Amerikan onto center stage. Amerika and China can only hope that Intelligent and Honest people like President Obama are elected. China very pleased with Amerika's progress. Therefore, I am having to give you a -1.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:46 | 2586993 Animal Cracker
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"We the people ceaselessly demand new offices at an accelerating rate."


Like what?  I hear this too often and haven't seen the people demand more government since Prop 13 in California.  Perhaps the writer means that people get worked up after the rulers and their media mouthpieces propose new government power - such as with ObamaCare.  But "they bought it" is a hell of a lot different than "they demanded it".

Most of the time, people are pursuaded by propaganda into accepting new government expansion.  But to say the people have routinely demanded it is wrong.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:45 | 2587129 bank guy in Brussels
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An interesting argument in places, that California's economy became a sh*tpile precisely because Proposition 13, capping property taxes, led to California imposing other kinds of taxes that were much more destructive economically.

The argument is that states and countries which have higher property taxes, but lower taxes of other kinds - like New Hampshire in the USA - are economically stronger. Seems to have some empirical support.

The discussion goes back to the guy who was the most famous economist in the world in the late 1800s, Henry George, whose 1879 book, Progress & Poverty, argued that land tax is actually the least harmful kind of tax, whereas taxes on things like the income of workers, should be minimal or zero.

Even today, a number of economists of various kinds, occasionally but grudgingly say that Henry George was basically correct ... but it isn't 'practical' etc.

That idea of 'zero tax on workers' incomes' does have some appeal ...

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:19 | 2588636 blunderdog
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George's view was specifically that land ownership should be taxed based on comparable UNDEVELOPED "value" of the land, which is exactly different than our approach of taxing "real estate" value.

The logic is that the State can legitimately claim some fee for protecting/establishing land ownership, but that because housing construction and/or improvement to land is performed by the owners, there's no valid claim on increased taxation based on the subsequent labor of the owner.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:46 | 2586994 Frankie Cokeupt...
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Now I could possibly go along with this bullshit if there were actually free markets instead of rigged markets created by "rich white men."

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:46 | 2586995 cherry picker
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Almost thirty years ago, give or take, Canada borrowed $75 Million dollars from Japan and gave it to India for humanitarian purposes.

India took the money and instead of feeding the poor or providing medical help or clean water, sewage or shelter used the money to bolster its nuclear program.

I read this and anger filled my soul.  Not due to the humanitarian aid, the nuclear part the money was used for.

I went to the local newspaper and tried to purchase a small ad in the classified section, but it was refused.  There was no libel involved or nasty words, just a declaration, "I,(my real name), a Canadian citizen and resident of Manitoba will no longer be responsible for any future debt incurred by the federal, provincial, municipal or local governments."

It took me hours, but the newspaper finally caved in and published it.

The next day my picture was on the front page of the competitor daily paper and I was branded a tax rebel.  They interviewed me on the radio, asked me if I was scared of an audit or going to jail.

People on the street shook my hand and said it was time someone did something.  Politicians rolled their eyes when I was introduced,  as I was judged to be a wacko radical.

In the end, I knew what it was like to stand alone, and thought to myself, why?

I think of the courage it took for the 56 men who declared Independence from Britain so many years ago, look at what is happening today and know in my heart the men who signed the Declaration of Independence were a different breed than what is living under the protection of their efforts today.

Remember the sacrifices made and try to live up to what the Spirit of Independence really means......

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:59 | 2587276 El Oregonian
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Yes, It is true what you say. My wife is a decendant of Arthur Middleton, an original signer of the Declaration of Independence, a very remarkable family story. Myself, Cristobal Colon is my decendant, otherwise known in english as Chistopher Columbus. Both family histories are filled with peril and triumph.

You can never allow yourself to be marginalized, always remember that you not only live for yourself and your present family but through you your ancestors also continue to live. It is never where you started the race, it is important on how you finished it.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:22 | 2587333 Apostate2
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Much appreciated. Be of good cheer.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:07 | 2587002 automato
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France is about to levy a so-called 'one-time tax' on people's Net Worth! If you have assets in excess of 1.3M euros you will be taxed. Do not know if that includes the value of your primary dwelling but if it does, good luck. This could be just the beginning so leaving the US/denouncing your citizenship will NOT protect your assets. It is bad enough paying taxes on income but when governments start taxing people on their Net Worth it is all over. They will simply take more and more until there is nothing left. People will be forced to sell their home just to pay the 'Net Worth tax'' and real estate prices will collapse forever!

Revenue: In 1999, Donald Trump proposed a once off 14.25% wealth tax on the net worth of individuals and trusts worth $10 million or more. Trump claimed that this would generate $5.7 trillion in new taxes, which could be used to eliminate the national debt.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:59 | 2587155 Waterfallsparkles
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Taxation of Assets would pay off the National Debt. We could then call it a real Buffett Tax.  Just think about how much he and  his Company would have to pay if there was an Asset Tax.

They have an Asset Tax on Real Estate every year.  Why not an Asset Tax on all Stock Ownership, Corporate Interests, etc.?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:56 | 2587016 JR
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Who better to symbolize the downfall of American Independence than Elena Kagan.  

Here, in America, the woman who would be called Justice when there is no justice; the woman who would be proud to model herself over another country’s chief justice, Aharon Barak of Israel – a country that has no constitution .

Who better to symbolize the absence of political will in the people’s congress when granting approval of her appointment.

Who better to symbolize the broken spirit of America’s leaders than Elena Kagan and her steadfast insistence that the Declaration of Independence does not have a bearing on Supreme Court evaluations of the Constitution.

Who better, after denying the Declaration of Independence as a “founding document,” than Elena Kagan in her approval by the Congress of the United States -those despicable cowards, hardly representatives of a free people.

Those Founders that she denies should not be mentioned in the same sentence with this woman or with the trappings of hamburgers to sparklers on this day of mourning.

Thank you, Zero Hedge, for this lament by Bill Frezza.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:00 | 2587034 DoChenRollingBearing
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Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.

+ 1

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:54 | 2587150 bank guy in Brussels
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Curiously, the US Constitution, on paper, actually makes the US Congress supreme over the judges as well as the President of the USA.

The US Constitution encourages the Congress to remove any judge who is not in 'good behaviour', in other words, not honouring the US Constitution ... removal of the judges to be done accusation by House and trial by Senate.

No crime is necessary, just lack of 'good behaviour' by the judge.

But this assumes the US House and Senate are honourable men and women. Ha!

So removing of judges has almost never done in American history, just a few occasional idiot judges who stepped on the wrong toes, or acted without oligarch approval.

With the Congress itself corrupted, and secession options crushed by the US military, the mechanisms of the US Constitution are thus dead.

And then there's the recent case of Federal Judge John Roll, shot dead on the street a few days after he ruled against Obama and the US gov't ... of course there was a crazy 'lone gunman' ... just coincidence ... though there seems to be always a new Lee Harvey Oswald available on the shelf when needed.


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:29 | 2587216 AnAnonymous
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US citizen founding fathers perceived themselves as honourable people. Which is strange as US citizenism has eliminated honour from the range of values.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:43 | 2587243 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Now you're just being retaurded.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:13 | 2587304 AnAnonymous
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So says a US citizen. So I must be. Because US citizens are the ultimate judges of human nature, right?

Quite light and typically US citizen.

Ah, the straight question game:

were the founding fathers honourable people? Or were they not?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:17 | 2587319 JebusKhrist
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They were the most sacred honourable without doubt.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 20:08 | 2587732 monad
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Of course we aren't. You are the ultimate judge of human nature, you lunatic. You, your television, and the Party member who pays you 0.0001 cents per post.

Life is good, huh? Turn off, tune out & rise up.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 04:24 | 2588110 AnAnonymous
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Made me laugh.

US citizens and their stories. All invented to divert from the fact that the current world situation is the result of US citizens.

Only one US citizen dared to answer to the question.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 09:53 | 2588529 monad
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bzzzt! Wrong answer, Hans. Dare to learn the truth, you brainwashed tool. Better hurry, time is running out. Do not miss out on this rare one time offer to wake up. Dare to turn off the media machines and cultivate your own opinions based on your own direct, first hand experience. Think For Yourself. Question Authority. Find The Others.

 Only you can save your own life. Loser.


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:14 | 2587536 akak
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Now you're just being retaurded.


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:24 | 2587206 The Alarmist
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Gee, I thought the "wise latina" might be the issue ....

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:13 | 2587305 Hedgetard55
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She is also an ugly skanky ho, which reflects her personality and lack of intellect.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 00:12 | 2587943 Cathartes Aura
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wow, your intellect, the reasoning that went into this statement, amazing. . .

why don't you dudes just list the what? 10%? of women who are in gov't positions of authority - list them all - they're the ones responsible for everything wrong in amrka today.

the women.  the ugly skanky ho, all of them - they're the problem.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:47 | 2587039 Waterfallsparkles
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The sad reality is that the Declaration of Independence has not protected us from our own Government only Britain.  Our Government has now taken the place of Britain in over Taxation and regulation.

They have slowly taken away all of our Rights in the Constitution.  Like a boiling Frog, we lose more Independence at the hands of and from the Government every day.



Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:02 | 2587040 LoneStarHog
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I Fly The Flag On This Independence Day

I fly the flag not in honor, but in memory.
I fly the flag not for what is, but for what was.
Americans no longer stood when it passed by.
Americans sat as it passed and was delivered into the dustbin of history.
To all who protected it and died with honor, may you and The American Republic rest in eternal peace.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:51 | 2587142 surf0766
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I fly the flag everyday.Actually there are 10 flags on my property


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:15 | 2587181 El Oregonian
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According to their own definition they've made me now an "enemy" and have captured my country through theft and fraud. So now I guess I must work behind enemy lines, just as our forefathers had to do. Each of us must decide for ourselves what constitutes slavery. Are we subjects of our new king/dictator or are we still free men?

If we now accept being slaves to our country, then are you allowing them to clasp the shackles of slavery not only on you but on your children, and grandchildren? For, once Liberty is lost it will take several generations of bloody battles to gain it back, if at all possible.

It is a solemn day, where even our leaders stay hidden from it's citizens for fear that they might remember their forefathers and once again rise up to remove the tyranny which has once again befallen on our nation.

I come from a long line of men who have honorably served our country through several wars. My family's blood has soaked the ground defending her throughout her existence and pledged our sacred honor to support that which was most noble, her freedoms, her liberties, her justice, and her honor.

Unfortunately, all those traits have been sadly cast aside. She has been sold out as a lying, thieving, whoring prostitute by wicked, wicked men. We have seemingly ignored her sickness administering the wrong medicine, if at all, with the expectation of her recovery to no avail.

Now, this wretched puss-filled putrid whore sits on our doorstep ordering, at gunpoint, ordering my family and me to surrender my home and belongings to her.

Once again, as true patriots must do, I must stand up and say: "I Will Not COMPLY".

So, on this glorious "INDEPENDENCE DAY" I stand up and say "FUCK YOU, GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY, I WILL NOT COMPLY".

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:02 | 2587042 not fat not stupid
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I agree with the facts but the hyperbole and push-for-profound give me a headache. needs less talk radio-more compelling arguments.

this is generational issue.

young people: you've got yours, f** me.

old people: i've got mine, f*** you.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:03 | 2587165 MilleniumJane
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"Generational issue" is just a distraction, like the Left/Right argument.


Keep your eye on the ball.  The scumbags doing this are from all age groups.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:05 | 2587047 El Oregonian
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S-H-H-H, You're all sounding like you all might be some of these terroristas our gubermint is now talking abount... you gotta barely whisper now...

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:06 | 2587049 Waterfallsparkles
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If the Founding Fathers became alive today they would be agast at what has become of this Great Nation that they so tried to protect from Big Government.  Whether it be from Britian or from within.

Our Government has stepped into the shoes of Britian and now wants to control our lives and Tax us into the ground.  Just like Britian did.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:08 | 2587057 Slop Bucket
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Well said Mr Frezza. Let this be our Declaration of Reindependence!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:18 | 2587080 Waterfallsparkles
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What about Property Taxes?  How did the Local Governments get away with instituting a Property Tax?  There was a time when you could actually own your own home.  Now you just rent it from the State.

I think about the film Gone With The Wind.  Where Scarlet went back to Tara after many years.  In todays World Tara would not be there for her to go back to as it would have been confiscated by the State for failure to pay Property Taxes.

Then you have the issue with States like Maryland that give Home Stead credits to Owner Occupied Houses.  This is directly in contravention of the Law which states that all taxes are to be equally apportioned to all of the People.

But why are Property Taxes even Legal for the Government to Tax?  It is an Asset Tax.  Yet, the Government does not Tax other types of property like investments, or your furniture, etc.  Or, like Stock Ownership.  So why is Real Estate the only Property Taxed?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:01 | 2587163 bank guy in Brussels
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In the 1920s and 1930s US Louisiana politician Huey Long started implementing the 'Every man a king' policy of having modest-price homes and homesteads totally exempt from any property tax.

So that no matter how poor you were, they couldn't take away your home.

Huey Long also said back then the 2 main US parties are fake, both funded by Wall Street, and he argued for policies to 'share the wealth' with the worker.

FDR concocted some of his policies and statements just because of a reaction of FDR feeling threatened by Huey Long.

Huey Long was assassinated.

Seems like 80 years ago in America the basic format was already in place.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:51 | 2587802 Oldrepublic
Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:07 | 2587176 Winston Churchill
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You can own your home free of property taxes.

Of course you have to pay for the privilege.

Alludial Title.

Property must be,and remain,mortgage free.

Payment of approx. 7 times current tax bill,payable in full up front.

Varies by State.

No further property taxes in perpuity.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:12 | 2587288 Waterfallsparkles
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Thanks very interesting but it appeas from my quick limited research is is no longer avaliable in almost all States.  Plus, the cost appears to depend on your age as you lose the Alludial Title upon death.

But, if I could pay 7 times my property tax up front and have no futher Taxes forever.  I would hand over the Money so fast it would make your head swim.

One property I own since 1989 I have payed more in property taxes than I paid to buy it over 20 years.  Amazing because you get a 30 year mortgage but now every year I have to pay 10% of my original value just to keep my house and will have to re buy it every 10, 15, 20 years depending on how high they raise the taxes.

Baltimore City had my Property Taxes up to $8,700. a year.  I only paid $72,000 for the House.  That meant that I had to re buy my House from the City every 8 years (aprox).  Based on its original cost.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:52 | 2587503 krispkritter
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When I lived in Philly in the 80's there was a huge stink being made of the retirees who's property values were jumping into the $10's of 1000's of dollars as the Yuppies starting renovating old Brownstones and property values rocketed up. Unable to pay their taxes, 100's of fixed income people were being forced out of their homes because there was no cap. I think they eventually managed to control or cap taxes but it was too late for a lot of people. Here in FL I pay 2.6 times more than the farming conglomerate who owns the 600 acres in front of me does and I have less than 10 acres. While my taxes were going up, their's were going down. They sought a permit to develop it at the top of the market and I helped campaign to shut it down. They pulled their application before the commissioner's meeting. Had they gotten it approved, we'd have had no end of noise, light pollution, runoff issues, and values would have risen so fast I'd have had to dump the property(I can't get a Homestead Exemption under the current rules) as it's aesthetic and resale value was killed by the eyesore next door. 

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 00:55 | 2587997 post turtle saver
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That would be Allodial Title. There is no such thing as true allodial land in the US. All land is subject to eminent domain etc. In addition, the government powers of police power and escheat have been retained in the US legal system.

Only Nevada and Texas hold provisions for limited allodial title. This is only triggered when unincorporated land is annexed into a town or city to protect land owners from the burden of highly increased property taxes. There is still some question as to whether the provisions in Texas truly allow for allodial title to be issued, so you must be referring to Nevada law alone. Good luck with that.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:24 | 2587093 Waterfallsparkles
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They should re name it as National Slavery Day.  As all Americans will be paying Taxes until July 4 before they get a dime of their Money.

We are now Slaves to the Government and the States.  Like it or not.  They extract their tole thru high Taxation and limitation of Freedom.

The only People that are truly Free are the People on Welfare as they do not have to contribute to get a Free ride from everyone else.  That includes Illegal Immigrents.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:32 | 2587105 reader2010
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The Americans are the stupidest animals ever lived on this planet because they willingly gave up their liberty, that their founding fathers fought tooth and nail for, for some stupid SUVs and McMashions. In the end, their SUVs and McMashions have become worthless anyway and they possesss nothing in value now.  They can never achieve their independence from the serfdom. 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:37 | 2587114 JuicyGrabs
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Using your rationale, rest of the world is 2-3x even more stupid.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:38 | 2587576 reader2010
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Yes, people in the rest of the world can be in a sense; but, at least they know they are NOT free.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:41 | 2587123 I am Jobe
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Americans are contenct with crap period and shows that they cannot miss.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:35 | 2587111 exartizo
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The United States of America exists today as it has always existed.

Solely because of the grace and mercy of God The Father, and of Jesus Christ, God's Only Begotten Son.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:50 | 2587140 dwdollar
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Why God chooses to spare America when its sins are much greater than Sodom or Gomorrah is behind my comprehension. But, I am just a mortal.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 01:06 | 2587963 Cathartes Aura
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gotta love that you post this on "fight club" and receive many upvotes.

god's grace out there poisoning the world, militarising whole nations, thieving resources, murdering innocents, creating artificial "fud" that's killing people slowly, while billing them for pharma drugs to maintain their existences long enough to keep the corporate ponzi myth alive. . .

praise be gawd.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:40 | 2587122 I am Jobe
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Does this mean there will be no Black Friday or TV? Just asking.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:49 | 2587137 surf0766
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"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."



Words and actions we must relearn as a nation to survive the onslaught of communism and socialism that is attempting to transform our nation.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:50 | 2587138 Waterfallsparkles
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It makes you wonder WHO is trying to take away all of Americans freedoms and Tax them into Poverty.  What is the ultimate goal?

Is it to make Americans more like the Chinese under Communism?  If so who benifits?  I would guess the Corporations.  But, in the end the Government would control and Own the Corporations like in China.

If the Government was to control America and end up owning all of the Farm Land then they could control the People and deny them the Food from their own Nation.  Farmers would end up being surfs like in the old days where they would rent land from the Frudal Land Owner and pay most of the Harvest to the Land Owner.  But, the Land Owner would be the Government.  Yet, in a way we do rent our land or our Homes from the Government thru Real Estate Property Taxes.  I rent a Property but I have to give the Government a fixed payment to the State and Local Government for the use of that Property.  Sometimes the Government makes more money than I do, as they take a percentage of the Gross profit.  Not the net profit.  I also am the one that has to maintain the Property.  Rent, clean, paint, repair, re lease, pay for the utilitys while vacant, and cover all expenses including the Mortgage.

Sorry, for getting off on a tangent but it has to make you wonder who it is that wants the downfall of America and Why?  Any thoughts?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:36 | 2587230 ebworthen
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Mechanization of agriculture and the transition from agrarian to industrial to service to information economies.

When you mechanize agriculture you make it nearly impossible for family farms to compete with corporate farms.

When you move production of good and services overseas, those who moved to the cities and suburbs to work have no work.

When what is left of your economy is buying stuff, cooking and waiting tables, and iPad'ing and entertainment you end up with an income/spending stream reliant upon consumption versus production that must be subsidized to keep it going.

When saving is punished and debt rewarded you end up with an increasing need for subsidies and parasitic lawyering, fee'ing, asset grabbing, increased dependence and decreased independence that feeds a bureaucratic monster in league with corporations to keep the kleptoligarchy churning.

Sound money and people with savings and liberty are free to choose and this would stifle or prevent the growth of the status quo and the top-heavy Wagon of Woe called U.S.S.A 2012.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:14 | 2587306 reader2010
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Woodrow Wilson, the biggest piece of shit, at least had the courage to admit he helped to bury America alive. 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:38 | 2587359 Savyindallas
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May have been more fear, guilt and despair -rather than courage. I think he truly feared for his immortal soul.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:46 | 2587380 reader2010
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After having successfully turned the Americans into their serfs, the elite started the First then the Second World War. Now it's the time for the Third one. Take a look at the grand view. Deep breath, relax and dont you feel better now?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:26 | 2589009 my puppy for prez
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Well, there's plenty of great info out there to explain who wants the downfall.  It's really quite simple to figure.  The most important thing to remember is that there are those, both hidden and visible, that form a vast network intent on creating a New World Order, or global government.  That is NOT conspiracy theory.  I almost don't know where to start with references, b/c there are so many great books.  But here are the groups that conspire to take down the US:

  • Globalist org's such as CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, Club of Rome, etc. There is a hidden hand that oversees them all, most likely elite freemasonry, Priory of Sion, and other cabalistic/occult/satanic groups.
  • Foundations such as Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie, Rhodes, Rothschild, etc, who fund (and control) think tanks, academia, and basically everything they can get their hands on.
  • Agenda 21 and the UN affiliates
  • The 13 elite bloodline families from Europe and America 
  • The global banking cartel, obviously, whose main players, Rothschilds, dreamed up Communism which originated from Talmudism/Kabbalism as part of its Hegelian Dialectical Process.

This is an incomplete list, but it can get you started.  

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:53 | 2587147 roadhazard
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"...there still there, he's all gone"... ~ Bruce Springsteen 

I miss my friends.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:57 | 2587152 dolph9
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I'm just happy to have the day off.

I don't believe America is worth saving.  Junk me all you want.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:04 | 2587166 surf0766
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Then pack your crap and leave.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:53 | 2587574 dolph9
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Fuck you.  I'll probably be an American until I die, just like you.  Get used to it.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:06 | 2587173 Clint Liquor
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You are not worth the effort to junk.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:36 | 2587354 Savyindallas
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America is truly worth saving  -the elites have carefully cultivated an image that resistance is futile, that all is lost. They want everyone to believe they are omnipotent -when they are not. When you buy into that garbage, you are just another pliable sheeple doing as you are told. Join the resistance and fight for our country. Be men and women of courage  -not cowards.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:53 | 2587581 dolph9
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Trust me, when the first state or group of states announces their secession, I'm all there.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:04 | 2587168 ripper
Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:48 | 2587249 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Eat a bucket of cow shit, spammer.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:08 | 2587177 GMadScientist
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Oh please...a band of tea smugglers tired of being exploited by the crown ran up a not inconsiderable debt in pursuit of that war and then proceeded to implement egregious taxation themselves to support the costs of the war which incited a rebellion which was put down by the very same freedom-lovers you propound upon every 4th. If you want to credit them for anything, it was in their desire for representation, not their hate of taxation and the profound realization that the government would be beset by the very scoundrels that have captured our democratic republic today. All the necessary tools for ridding ourselves of $2B campaigns, inside dealing, market manipulation etc are there in the documents, but we've yet to seize the courage to drop our old ways and instead succumb to mind-numbing propaganda in service of the status quo of graft and fascism.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:31 | 2587218 AnAnonymous
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What is D3 auction house?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:32 | 2587223 The Alarmist
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They weren't being exploited by the Crown so much as they were being under-cut by the Crown, a much more serious offence.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:13 | 2587188 midgetrannyporn
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Those rich white slavers aren't my forefathers bitchez.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:31 | 2587222 AnAnonymous
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They are the founders of the US of A.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:20 | 2587200 uno
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funny watching Americans trying to answer citizenship questions


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:29 | 2587215 MilleniumJane
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OMG, so depressing. junior high history teacher Mrs. Baker is probably rolling in her grave.  I give thanks to all the good teachers I've ever had.  They were tough as nails and wouldn't take any bullshit.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:57 | 2587413 francis_sawyer
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All those kids are perfectly suited for careers serving freedom fries at the local burger hop... Either that, or as wall st traders, or goldman sachs analysts... Maybe one of them will become President someday (or star in a 'reality show', which is about the same thing)...

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:02 | 2587281 Questan1913
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Absolutely hilarious!  And uplifting too!  As in finding out there are others almost as dense as you are.  I bet you watch it over and over again.  You just can't stop watching it and beyond that it is really important that you share your incredible find with others...... like yourself.


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:30 | 2587344 GMadScientist
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It'd be nice if they could quote Hamilton and Madison and reference the New Jersey and Virginia plans, but I'm much more worried about the adults that can't answer those questions.

Extra bonus points:

- Explain the Senate Cloture rules and their effects on legislative efficacy

- Name three controversial supreme court decisions (should be easier now, eh? long as you don't think it's a "gotcha question" anyway)

- Can anyone but congress amend the Constitution?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:16 | 2587409 Lucky Guesst
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Answer this... Since the Supreme Court ruled Obamacare legal because its a tax...

Didn't the house drop their bill and end up passing the Senate's version of Obamacare...

but all Tax bills must originate in the House.

hmmmm. not legal.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:21 | 2587542 akak
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"Not legal" --- as if that matters!

You're funny!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:04 | 2587521 krispkritter
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Let's see how drunk the readership is today!

Try your luck:

(PS. And don't enter your info at the end...)

I got a 95. I got tripped up by 9, Vermont, you POS state!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:23 | 2587205 Questan1913
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It's sad.

Americans have been walking around for decades wearing this sign..."please enslave me".  And they have been granted their wish.  Today many of you are joking about it.  Consistent.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:29 | 2587214 Hubbs
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A day of atonement? More like a day of mourning,


"because the people grew fat and got lazy, and now their vote is a meaningless joke. They babble about law and order, but it's all just an echo of what they've been told..."



Steppenwolf   Monster

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:32 | 2587347 GMadScientist
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I miss that show...such a brilliantly sanitized look at the freakshow.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:34 | 2587229 tlnzz
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Everyone who pays attention to what has happened to our Country has some sort of understanding why.  Now the hard question.  How do we turn this around?  I see no peaceful resolution.  So, how do we fix this?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:58 | 2587418 Lucky Guesst
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Not until people get hungry will they get mad enough to do anything. As long as the government can still patronize them with food stamps there will be NO revolution. It has to get worse before it gets better. IMO

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:14 | 2587781 mendolover
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And it will get worse!

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 00:42 | 2587980 Cathartes Aura
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so wait, let me get this straight - it's the people who get FOOD STAMPS who are to blame for not overthrowing the government?


is everyone here using a SNAP benefits card?


seriously, WTF are you all waiting for, if you truly believe "the gov" can be overthrown & the great Disneyland can be restored??

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:39 | 2587235 walküre
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My personal celebration of independence this year.

I closed my trading account earlier this week. No more derivatives for me. Tangible assets all the way.

The account had been dormant for almost a year. I didnt' win, but I didn't lose! I stopped playing and got smarter.

Some money grows on my apple trees but more money is growing inside my barns.

Oh, and boating is a favorite past time of mine.

oink, oink!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:39 | 2587240 slewie the pi-rat
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no one seems to be aware that that for this to hit zH from forbes on the 4th of july in an election year might possibly have something to do with the election?

no one?


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:55 | 2587266 tlnzz
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I don't see the outcome of the election solving any of the current problems.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 00:45 | 2587984 Cathartes Aura
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nothing is going to "solve any of the current problems" - nothing.

act accordingly.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:40 | 2587241 AnAnonymous
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US citizens have this special knack: emptying their speech.

So this US citizen rants about debauching the language.

Why not? After all, US citizenism is a big destroyer of culture.

But as if it was not enough, this US citizen is compelled to express his eternal US citizen nature and illustrates US citizenism.

So he also rants about the founding fathers' shortcomings.

What a debauching of language.
Maintaining slavery while proclaiming liberty as an unalienable human right is a shortcoming?
Stealing the Indian land while proclaiming property as an unalienable human right is a shortcoming?

Again, another US citizen who sells the story of the fabled past.

He claims to be able to take a hard look at himself and at 'Americans'

If it was the case, that US citizen would be able to tell that US citizenism has not changed one bit since the beginning, it is the same old as it has been since 1776, July, 4th.

Maintaining slavery when you proclaim freedom is not a shortcoming. It is an act that outweight your speech and rhetorics.
Stealing an entire continent when you proclaim property is not a shortcoming. it is an act that outweights your speech and rhetorics.

Move on, nothing to see but good old US citizenism at work.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:55 | 2587267 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous wrote:

US citizens have this special knack: emptying their speech.

AnAnonymous Chinese citizenism citizens have this special knack: emptying their bowels on the side of the road or in public parks.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:15 | 2587311 AnAnonymous
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The worst in this story: it probably smells less than a US citizen opening one's mouth to breath their US citizen hot air.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:38 | 2587358 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yes, sure, keep struggling to attain asymetry, keep denying and pushing responsibility to exterior, keep avoidance of self indiction at all costs.

Of course, as the sign says, keep from shitting in Chinese public park.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:08 | 2587426 Lucky Guesst
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There needs to be a sign for that? WTF? I've never seen a sign that told me not to shit in the park but I have still never thought to do it. Ananon is just nasty!!!! lol

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:21 | 2587445 akak
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You have clearly never been to China, where public defecation is a national pastime and art form, with no shame inhering in the act whatsoever.  Even my dog shows a twinge of guilt for shitting in the middle of the lawn.  But then again, blobbing-up is not part of his eternal nature.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:13 | 2587535 Lucky Guesst
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No, your right. I seen something where they had toilets for bowls and urinals for dinner chairs and that was all it took to convince me those are not my peeps lol

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