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America's Future, Interrupted

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The ghost of America's future pays us a visit, telling us all we need to know in five simple charts.

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And finally here:

Good night.

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Mon, 04/02/2012 - 21:51 | Link to Comment VisualCSharp
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Future? What future? America died long ago.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 21:57 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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^ died long algo

FTFY

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:21 | Link to Comment Ray1968
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Winning!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:06 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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these charts are stupid and meaningless when you can CTRL + P it all away.......

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:33 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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The older one gets the harder it is to control pee.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Selenium Bitchez, er, I mean Bastards !!!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:59 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Saw palmetto.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:49 | Link to Comment derek_vineyard
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wheres the chart of the spx going to infinity?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:04 | Link to Comment Richard Chesler
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The banana republic formerly known as the United States.

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:23 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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America's Future: Grim.

ori

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 03:47 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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India and Pakistan will soon annihilate each other in a regional nuclear war.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 04:43 | Link to Comment Vlad Tepid
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India's future, present and past - more grim than it will ever get in CONUS.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 02:14 | Link to Comment rocker
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Ale  (Beer)

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 03:44 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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rye grass

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment AGuy
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Selenium Poisoning is horrible

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/716598

Dietary Supplement Causes Widespread Selenium Poisoning

February 8, 2010 — A dietary supplement containing toxic levels of selenium 200 times greater than the concentration listed on the label caused a widespread outbreak of acute selenium poisoning. Symptoms of selenium poisoning include nausea; vomiting; nail discoloration, brittleness, and loss; hair loss; fatigue; irritability; and foul breath odor.

 

Avoid taking vitamin suppliments, especially suppliments with heavy metals such as selenium or chromium. All it takes i a simple mistake and you get poisoned. Especially since few suppliments are tested and the chemicals used to produce them often originate in China.

 

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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When you hit CTRL+P, all you can make is further diluted paper. Ben can't print oil, or coffee, or Cipro, or Remmingtons, or cattle, or competent doctors, or clean water, or steel, nor can he print the will needed to create any of these.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:02 | Link to Comment SheepleLOVEched...
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America is only a desirable place to live if you have disposable income and lots of savings. For people who are earning wages, living on fixed incomes, or ones that have little or no savings, they continue to see their PP decline, thus reducing their standard of living dramatically. The easiest way out of this trap is to do well in HS and get some scholarships for a university and graduate debt free(with a meaningful degree). This is a paradox however, because the public education system is deteriorating rapidly due to cuts in spending to fund the baby boomers retirement. There is no viable solution to this problem. C# is right, very little hope for the middle or lower class American, who doesnt understand how this country really operates and how to benefit from the system.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:12 | Link to Comment surf0766
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The education system sucks because instead of teaching reading , writing , and math, they are teaching Alinsky, and why communism is great. America ia great when people are told to get off their ass and work instead of here, take this check. The boomers are the height of greed. It is and was all about them.

 

 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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The educational system sucks badly enough without having to go all Alinsky and communism. Corporations don't want communism, they want dumbed down mouth-breathing consumers, and they get what we pay for.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 04:47 | Link to Comment economics9698
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The education system is nothing more than a big ra ra for fascism.  It’s not uncommon to find a text book with 30%, 40% lies and misinformation designed to keep the public ignorant of facts that would better their lives.  The text books are all distorted to the left.  Economics, government, it all bull shit designed to fuck with people minds so you produce some idiot like Obama who doesn’t have a original though in his head and could not think his way out o a cardboard box.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 04:54 | Link to Comment economics9698
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If anyone thinks I am full of right wing bull shit here is one of my blogs.

 http://usa-wethepeople.com/2011/07/usa-university-economic-propaganda-exposed/

 

The fucking college text books are full of shit.  Every single mother fucking one.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 06:50 | Link to Comment Cui Bono
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Your premise is spot on. But President Warren Hardy? WTF dude....clean your shit up.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:07 | Link to Comment narapoiddyslexia
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economics9698-Your comments are so literate and thoughtful, how could I not agree?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:46 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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never understood a single word he said...helped him drink his wine though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyrQ3YD75NA&feature=player_detailpage

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Red Raspberry
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You were just born at the wrong time.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Shock and Aweful
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I can assume then that you got your education there?  Your comment is idiotic.

They do not teach who Alinsky is / was in high school....I took AP History in high school and never once

heard his name or ideas mentioned.

I understand how you and people like you hate government and anything that you deem to be "socialist".  But you don't have to make up shit, or throw wild accusations and/or untrue blanket statements around to try to make the system sound bad....it is bad because the education system is designed to be nothing more than an indoctrination camp....teaching kids to follow the orders of some idiot who is just following the orders of some bigger idiot....we need a PLIABLE youth....one that will follow the orders of their corporate gods.

I've heard that weak-ass shit about "alinksy" and all the other non-sense coming out of the far-right for a long time....that shit is so goddam stupid that only some pre-indoctrinated corporate shill would believe it. hahaha

Anyway...do you really want to know why our schools suck....it is because kids are NEVER taught Critical thinking skills or leadership skills....but then again, we can't have a nation of critical thinkers or leaders can we?  They might realize that the "buy, buy buy" propaganda they hear all day, everyday...the shit that is with them 24/7, telling them they can only find happiness and identity by what they consume....is nothing more than a prescription for their destruction.  (yet...this is the exact behavior that the U.S. NEEDS to have continue if we have any chance of keeping the ponzi going for another generation)

So...You would do yourself, and your belief a big favor by getting a more honest, and realistic arguement.

If you think about it....kids are being taught to live based on the ideology and teaching of Bernays a hell of a lot more than than Alinksy. . . look around you sometime...do you honestly think this nation is at risk of falling into communism!  hahahaha  That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever hear.  We are living in an advertisers paradise...in a fascist's paradise....these kids today would NEVER give up their bought and paid for "identity" for the "Commons"....the US today does not know the word "community"....let alone "Communism"...

 

Find a new boogeyman...the Communist shit got played out 60 years ago....or, bury your head and listen to some more Limbaugh.

 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:36 | Link to Comment surf0766
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Ohhhhhh AP classes in high school. You must be smarter than me. Let me step aside and honor your greatness.  We are in full socialism now. How many in gov't today have links to those who believe capitalism should be destroyed.  Whether they say the name or not, the teachings are done.  It has not played out. You are just blind.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 03:48 | Link to Comment Ben Dover
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For what it is worth, Obama is not a socialist. If you actually talk to lefties - those left of the regular Democratic organization and their true believers - they hate Obama as much as you and believe that he is nothing more than Bush Part III. In fact, you might best argue that Obama is to socialism what Bush was to conservativism.

As for schooling in America, it is really moot point. The NEA could be headed by Alinsky himself and it would not matter. The students don't care. And their parents don't either. The concern isn't school or education it's bread and circuses. Not all Americans - and likely none who come here - would take Snooky on a big screen over some solid information, but you'd be stupid to think the vast majority didn't.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:02 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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IMHO, you have valid points and invalid points. Obama is a socialist when he wants to be. When the issue is not in his donors' best interest, he is indifferent most of the time.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment odatruf
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I think Ben is mostly right.

Obama isn't a capital "S" Socialist, per se, and I doubt he really intends to bring us there. He may be more socialist leaning than Bush or others, but only to a marginal degree.

The schooling and education comment is even more spot on. The problem isn't stupidity or the teachers; it is rather a clear and undeterred lack of interest in anything that doesn't titillate or hypnotize.

You can bring any facts or well reasoned logic to most any conversation on or offline, and you'll be met not only with a shrug but also hostility for having interrupted The Real World (tm).

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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You're right-- Obama's not a socialist. He's a fucking communist.

Just because he hasn't been able to fully implement his plan to destroy free markets in this country yet (which is why the fucking leftists hate him) doesn't mean he isn't a Marxist. Everything about the way the guy thinks and acts screams communist. You haven to be blind or ignorant not to see it.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 03:51 | Link to Comment Acet
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"Ohhhhhh AP classes in high school. You must be smarter than me"

Are these kind of "I'm dumber than you and I'm proud of it" anti-knowledge kneejerk reactions typical in America nowadays or is surfy up here a special case?

I've heard all kinds of stories about how in the US highschool culture tends to glorify sports and those that play them while demeaning intellectual pursuits (jocks vs geeks) and am curious if this is for real or just a myth.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:04 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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"I've heard all kinds of stories about how in the US highschool culture tends to glorify sports and those that play them while demeaning intellectual pursuits (jocks vs geeks) and am curious if this is for real or just a myth."

 

It's really and very very scary. In HS we honor our dumbasses and torment the brilliant. In middle school I remember I got made fun of when I told someone I read and/or studied. You want to see what the US is becoming watch the movie Idiocracy.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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He wasn't knocking you because you are smart, he was knocking you because you're smug and arrogant.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:07 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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It's not just that sports achievements are valued so highly above intellectual achievements, it is also that the intellectuals tend to value work and education above social status. When you are part of a small group who does not value social status, in an institution where the vast majority HIGHLY values social status, you fall in the ranks. Add to this the fact that tormenting a lower-status person increases one's own status, while decreasing the status of the lower-status person, and you get a self-sustaining reaction.

The bookish kid withdraws further to avoid status-lowering, but his withdrawal also lowers his status. The jock gets an easy status boost, and his peers see following his example as an easy way to boost themselves and build camaraderie.

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 16:50 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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Thus: Columbine.

American high schools get what they deserve.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:05 | Link to Comment TMT
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An AP class makes you an expert? Look into the NEA and their explicit and tacit support for Alinsky. Then get back to us clown.

The rest of your post was a messy rant.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:20 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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I junked ya for the wear and tear on my scroll wheel while getting past your verbose boorishness.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:16 | Link to Comment OldPhart
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BING!! BING!! BING!!  WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

"Anyway...do you really want to know why our schools suck....it is because kids are NEVER taught Critical thinking skills or leadership skills....but then again, we can't have a nation of critical thinkers or leaders can we?"

The kid's right. We are all fascists now. We have an Oligarch giving commands to hired help that they 'allow' us to select from a pre-approved list of choices.  The Oligarch is composed of the Mega-Corps, Government Unions and Career Bureaucrats.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:17 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Wow... the DKos crowd squares off against the Fox crowd.

That was the intellectual equivalent of a Special Olympics boxing match.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:32 | Link to Comment OldPhart
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I WAS a FOX Fan until 2008 and my personal awakening.  Still can't stand DKos.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 02:39 | Link to Comment vnguru
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I've been paying into the system since I was 16.  I'm not looking for a gravy train.  I just want to recoup the investment.  My dad, Tim Viec Lam,  paid in from 1933, and died 3 months before he could collect a nickel.

http://www.nghenghiepviet.com/tim-viec/

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:03 | Link to Comment fockewulf190
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Well, if your talking about Social Security, his monthly payments also provided protection against severe disability, and if he has a surviving spouse, she will at least get a check (who knows for how much longer) so it's not a total loss.

Of course, no one said life is fair, and the way things are heading, it's going to get a lot unfairer. My advice to you is to plan right now for a total default of all social support systems. Count on nothing being there for you from the government in the future. The world, and especially the US, is beyond broke, and sooner or later, the great reset will happen. Start stacking phyzz if you have not done so already ASAP.

If there is one thing that must be branded into the brains of everybody within the US, it is the stupendous fact that the "system" is heaping over $5 billion+ a day of debt onto societys shoulders, and when the financial levy finally breaks, it's going to sweep up the masses and wipe them out.

Only the club members will survive, and like George Carlin once said, "It's
a big club, and you ain't in it!".

www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:54 | Link to Comment DraginDickHedge
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Hey, Awful, you are not at all Shocking, Sad, yes, but you are a brilliantly Stellar example of the sub-intellectuals vomited out of the US educational system so ardently protected/destroyed by the NEA after the 1970's.  A system which needed to lower the SAT stats 4 times, yes 4x because suck-up stuck-up's like you la-ti-da "AP" OMG she said AP...were so stupid and so dumb that your scores embarrassed all teachers so they got TPTB to change the scale down, down, down and then down again when kids like you were "chosen"  for "AP" classes.  When education was real there were no "AP" classes.  I'd wager 5 million FUSD that Few, if any AP bitches like you high school students today could pass a pre-1970 5th grade history test.  Yes, perhaps the word communism is out of the approved "Liberal Talking Points".  You probably are not able to read at this level or even have heard the reference, but your leaders just got you all hot and wet amnd are currently using some other  "New Speak" adjective.   I can discern from your writing that you have never diagramed a sentience...what is a verb...a tense?  What's the [point when your cool leaders tell you what to think.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 09:01 | Link to Comment memyselfiu
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It's hard to get your message when you don't have a command of your own language. This tells me your life is rife with 'sloppy thinking'.

Edit: My apologies if english isn't your first language, and shame on you if it is.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 04:42 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Stop trying to educate muppets like dickintheedge and take the piss out of em, its far more fun:-)

People like them already know that Gandalf, Guns and Gold will save them.

ROFLMAO!

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:32 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Thank TV and Hollywood.  If you watch their shit - you support them.  Keep it up serfs.  People traded their liberty for a clicker and ball games.  

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 03:18 | Link to Comment awakening
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Goldman Sachs certainly had the ball games covered...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/goldmans-fascination-pimping-and-prostitution

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:13 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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It's either somewhat immerse yourself in what our culture has become, or sit and stew and wait for a Revolution (that may never come). I agree that some people do not even think about subjects such as the ones discussed on ZH (and that is a tragedy), but if you don't have an occassional break you will just work yourself up waiting for something that may never come.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment memyselfiu
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Sure Freddy, I got the idea that Obama is a mooslim from reading all that intellectual shit and stuff. But you keep thinking that everyone else are brainwashed serfs, whatever lets you sleep at night.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment RKDS
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I went to public school from 1987 to 2000.  My teachers never glorified communism and I never even heard of Saul Alinsky until Glenn Beck started talking about him.  I had exactly one world history class in 12 years but several years of American history.  Even English classes, with the proliferation of boring women's books into high school, had me reading stuff like Animal Farm and Fahrnenheit 451, both very heavy on anti-collectivist warnings.  Sometimes I wonder about the veracity of this talking point...

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:38 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The education system is failing because it's become an indoctrination center instead of an education system. It's not because of spending cuts. We throw more money at the problem but that doesn't fix it. God forbid the schools actually teach something important like basic economics or American history with a good healthy focus on the constitution.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment MagicHandPuppet
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I'm not sure what "education system" you guys are talking about. But, the forced Gubment indoctrination camp is working exactly as intended.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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America is great place if you are rich and well connected.  It's also great if you are poor.  It's just lousey for the people in the middle who do all the work.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:03 | Link to Comment xela2200
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That is historically the norm. I wouldn't say great for the poor but peasant did have a decent life within the context of their times.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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living in shit and dying by the age of 30 from some horrible disease or infection is hardly decent.  the merchant/skilled labor class would have had it much better in comparison.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:47 | Link to Comment brettd
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Spending on public education has skyrocketed.

Results (empirical testing) from public schools has plummeted. 

Home/indi schooling delivers vastly better results for half the cost.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:04 | Link to Comment in4mayshun
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6 months spent working on Khan Academy.edu (for free I might add) will basically get you 4X the education you got in high school...minus the making out with chicks. Khan doesn't offer that yet.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 04:22 | Link to Comment Gavrikon
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I like Khan's site very much, especially for math.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:16 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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It would be pretty funny to see a kid in a HS Geometry, Algebra, PreCalculus, or Calculus watching Khan's videos while ignoring the teacher.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 03:52 | Link to Comment Ben Dover
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I haven't seen the numbers or facts to back up your claim, but it wouldn't surprise me. But it suceeds, methinks, because the parents actually care about educating their kids - that means the parent and teacher have the same goal, even if it is only because they are the same person.

My guess is that in the public schools those parents who are more involved with their kid's education end up with kids who do better.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment memyselfiu
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causation - correlation. +1000

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 03:57 | Link to Comment bigkahuna
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Not sure if I am off base with this.... Spending may be up, when I was in public schools - I do not remember all fo the teachers constantly grumbling about what they got paid. Heck, people seemed to have more tact back then and just leave the subject alone. The teachers are always now wanting a raise. It does not surprise me that they spend more money on the system-everyone is incessantly bitchin' and whining! Our culture is getting more screwed up by the day in this respect. Does a higher salary result in a better education? NO-JUST MORE WHINING! WTF people!? We just need to live withen our means and get happy about that. Everything else will follow-including quality of (public) education.

Public School Teachers: if you cannot get over the salary you will earn (or are earning) - go get a different degree, go up to Wall Street, and try your hand in ripping others off for the huge salary and stop the bitchin! Take some personal ownership of your situation and quit punishing your kids with a half rate "education" as well as the tax payers with your beggarly rants about your salary. 

To all of those public educators who love their work and do not incessantly grumble about it - Thank you in a big way. You are the back bone (core) of our public system as well as it's flank - because your co-horts have decided to leave you high centered. Keep up the good work, it does not go unnoticed.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 08:15 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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The problem is that public schools select for teachers that don't care. Get the kids to remember a couple of "facts" and fill in the right circles on the tests. Do not ask open ended questions. Do not waste time on getting the kids talking and debating. Just grind out those circles on the forms and have the machine score it. Do your paperwork while the kids watch the history channel.

I know a teacher that cares and all the unfunded and idiotic mandates coming down from on high have driven her crazy and she just quit. Couldn't take it anymore. That is the problem. Central planning selecting for drones to produce drones. Lemmings running toward a cliff.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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America is only a desirable place to live if you have disposable income and lots of savings. For people who are earning wages, living on fixed incomes, or ones that have little or no savings, they continue to see their PP decline, thus reducing their standard of living dramatically.

America has a spending-adddicted predatory government stealing $4 trillion of wealth from the people every year, a predatory banker class stealing another trillion or so of wealth from the people each year, plus all manner of other parasites stealing another trillion or so of wealth from the people each year.

America's future is poverty for the people and wealth for government, bankers, and other parasites. 

Your personal future depends on which group you're in.  If you're in the people group your future looks grim.  If you're in the government, banker, or other parasite group, your future looks good. 

As George Carlin said, "It's a big club and you ain't in it."

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:05 | Link to Comment Akrunner907
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Do you notice how we exceeded the 100 percent debt versus GDP a long time ago.....about 10 years sooner than what the last chart shows...

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 02:16 | Link to Comment Eireann go Brach
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The dictionary will replace the word toilet with Obama by 2013, because both are where piss and shit waste away!

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:18 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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It shouldn't just be Obama, it should be the words: "President of the United States of America."

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's just math. When has that ever mattered?

 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 21:55 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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Ain't demographics a bitch!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:59 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Logan's Run, coming soon to a city near you.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:20 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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Yahoo Finance had articles about there will be worker shortages when the Boomers retire. I'm sure TPTB have plans (more immigration and outsourcing) to keep wages down.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it. /sarcasm.

 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment km4
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Girl, Interrupted - Trailer - YouTube http://bit.ly/HbFLVF

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:03 | Link to Comment spondoolix
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I realize that everything can be explained by a bell curve, but I am one of the people turning 65 in the next year or so, and I'm not planning on benefitting beyond what I paid into the system.  Granted, payback will take 11 years (assuming I make it that long).  I own my own business, have no debts, and own gold bullion (bitchez!).

It aggravates me when the generations that came after me blame us for the social security/medicare debt burden.  I've been paying into the system since I was 16.  I'm not looking for a gravy train.  I just want to recoup the investment.  My dad paid in from 1933, and died 3 months before he could collect a nickel.

I would have been much happier (and richer) had the welfare state never started.  It pains me that you younger people squeal so much about your lack of a future.  It's all BS.  Just go out and make a future by yourself, for yourself!

 

Semper Fi

Spondoolix 

 

 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The pittance that you've paid into the system will be nothing compared to what you take out. Spoken like a true boomer. You don't care whose back you lay your debt on as long as you get yours. I have never seen a more selfish generation.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:48 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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That sucky older generation gave you, the young, great universities, power systems, clean water, freeways, great homes, libraries, and English instead of Nazi German-speak.  Now they are old and feeble.  Good time to stab them in the back.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:03 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Curious I was not aware that the boomers defeated the Nazi's. By great universities do you mean the universities that churn out kids with loads of debt and useless degrees? The last I checked the boomers weren't old and feeble. They are still alive and doing well refusing to retire and allow the next generation an opportunity as they pad their nest egg.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:33 | Link to Comment perchprism
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Aw, fuck you, Engali.  The man said he's paid his dues, all he wants back is a pittance.  How 'bout screw the god -amned socialist security and let the feller keep what he earned so he could invest it his own way over the past 40+ years?   He owns his own business, hasn't reaped a dime from public subsistance.  Why don't you just suck my dick, hmmmmm?  Asshole.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Hey I'm all for scraping the whole SSI ,or at the very least letting people opt out and letting them invest on their own. As it should be. I own my own business ,never took a dime of assistance, and when the time comes to retire I plan on selling it, they can keep my SSI. As for sucking you shriveled old limp dick , maybe you can locate Robotrader.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:55 | Link to Comment brettd
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Screw the vets. 

They're too old to fight back.(sarc)

Give it to Solyndra, Solar Trust and GM.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:04 | Link to Comment chet
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That generation is already dead. We are talking about their navel gazing brats

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:14 | Link to Comment trembo slice
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Your parents defeated the Nazi's, no big deal.  I wish I could double junk you for saying great universities.  The education system in this country is pure shit.  I suspect nearly all young people with any comprehension of sound economics have become self-educated on the subject.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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Ha.  I pulled your strings.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:39 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:39 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Your parents defeated the Nazi's, no big deal.

The Nazis within our own borders were far more destructive to the USA and American people.  FDR, The Fed, Banksters, et al.    Yes - Hitler was destructive to Europe.   WW2 was just another profit opportunity for the european banksters.

The German people should have shot Hitler.  They tired multiple times.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Waffen
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no what they did was

..signed away our liberties

..signedour government over to corporate control and oligarchs

..gave us a worthless fiat currency

..gave us a wellfare ponzi system

..loaded all the debts on the future generations

..sold all our technology to china

..sent all our manufacturign to china

..completely sold out this countries future

..allowed our education system to be subverted and destroyed  (not like they werent warned, "Dodd Report")

..destroyed the black community

..destroyed inner cities with planned cities

..signed over our national parks to the UN

..signed this country on to Agenda 21

 

goes on and on.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:40 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Well thanks to that plus Hope & Change - the majority of seniors and baby boomers are screwed,  They chose that path in 2008 at the voting booth.

Serfdom under Bush was better than this. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment surf0766
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Hell Yea Doc.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:14 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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get a life ass hole. Did you ever hear of inflation? .  What are you doing trolling around here

when you know jack shit about what you are talking about.  Neither history nor math.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:38 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Another leach defending the fact that they totally screwed over the next generations with their have to have it all and must have it now attitude. I have news for you pal, I do very well for myself and as far as I'm concerned SSI can keep every penny I've paid into it. As far as your get a life commentary, it seems that maybe you should consider that prescription yourself since you're trolling around the same forum....Idiot.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Why must every generation think their folks are square?

And no matter where their heads are, they know mom's ain't there.

Cause' I swore when I was small, that I'd remember when,

I knew what's wrong with them, that I was smaller than.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qTAy5RU_m4
Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:51 | Link to Comment BandGap
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This is stupid. If you pay into a system and it earns 3-5% returns for 40+ years you have a fucking nice nest egg. Now if some shitstain in Washington takes your money and spends it like it is their own and you don't get dick after those 40 years,who is the selfish one?

personally I am 50 years old, have pegged the system for 21 years with a six figure salary and i'm going to get the two fingers in my ass treatment when I turn 65. Isn't that enough abuse?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:43 | Link to Comment James-Morrison
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Dr. E,   No one wants your stinking money.  

Keep your Soc. Sec. contributions, if you have the balls to stop the government tentacles digging into your pocket. 

I make no claims on the money extracted from me.  It's more like ante to play the game. 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:26 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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"I make no claims on the money extracted from me.  It's more like ante to play the game."

You must be waiting for Biden 2016..

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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Spoken like a true boomer. You don't care whose back you lay your debt on as long as you get yours.

Oh really?

How many of your generation have refused to sign up for social security?

How many of your generation in government positions are slashing spending and reducing taxes?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment RKDS
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I'm trying to save money but I always get overruled by people who don't understand technology (obselete does not mean broken!) or whose palms have been greased.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Robot Traders Mom
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1. I have a hard time believing you are 64 years old, and hanging out on the ZH forums, using the word "bitchez"

2. The younger generation squeals because we are getting fucked. We are taking on your debt, that is being kicked down the road.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:28 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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I too am 'of that age'...I choose not to say beechezz because in most contexts it dimininshes the profoundness of my profundidity (or some such...) It does make one sound like my 12 yo (though he says the kids don't say that anymore so...)

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:31 | Link to Comment spondoolix
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The only people who "get fucked" are people who let that happen to themselves.  Spoken like the classic "younger generation".  I hope you're happy working in your cubicle.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Easy to say when you are the one doing the fucking.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:38 | Link to Comment spondoolix
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One has more control, when he has the reins, Dock!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:43 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Karma is a bitch my friend.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:01 | Link to Comment Stax Edwards
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Really DE?  Like all of this generation is with Obummer as he blows the next couple genrations wad.  Government is the problem here.  The whole voting thing amounts to a hill of shit if you have not noticed.  Lighten up man.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:26 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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spondoo: defending the system from any angle at this stage of the game is a losing endeavor. you are right you should not have paid then as we should not have to pay now, but the rudimentary fact is the people you most likely voted for and the Marines you joined and fought with and the IRS you paid into like we all have to in varying degrees, and the jobs you performed and the values you indiscriminately subscribed to, and the bullshit you unquestioningly supported and the patriotism you cheered on and the marching orders you stupidly barked back out at your drill sargeant etc etc all lead us to the current issue: the majority of people are fucking morons and the worst of them were/are voted into office to mismanage the rest of the morons. so at this stage of the game anyone that's part of the system, boomer or not, and defending it past tense or present tense is a fucktard plain and simple. so now you can delete your comments and live out the rest of your miserable tongue-and-cheek life somewhere anywhere and life goes on for homo sap on this retardo game planet.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 08:30 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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You must have gone to the Jack Murtha Marine Academy of Honor. Why would you want to incite the younger generation like this? Who is going to change your diapers? I'm good to my children mainly because I love them but there is the added bonus that I won't get sent to one of those retirement homes (aka concentration camps). Go check one out. That's your future. My cube is paradise in comparison. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment spondoolix
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The "bitchez" was tongue-in-cheek.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:40 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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I do appreciate the 'bitchez' is not only used humorously but also as a near motto of the ZH family. If there is an afterlife (post reset world) we can find each other in the dark by listening for 'silver bitchez'.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:52 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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That could be useful as an avoidance tactic as well.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:48 | Link to Comment AssFire
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Still, the preponderance of evidence would support that you are a lying dick. I know of no 64 yr old man who would type such a self ingratiating post.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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you need to get out more.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:54 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Will it keep you in stitches if I say "bitchez!" when I'm sixty-four?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:54 | Link to Comment SanOvaBeach
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Yea, u r asshole!  Taking on the debt.  Ask me if I give a shit, asshole.  U don't like it?  Kiss my ass.  There is nothing you can do about it, except blow my brains out if you can find me, asshole!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:52 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Put the blame where it belongs.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:56 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Sue's to blame, didn't you read the credits?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 05:48 | Link to Comment rufusbird
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None of the several history books I read about the fall of the Roman Eempire mentined any thing about intergenerational issues being a causative factor...

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:46 | Link to Comment Freddie
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People who are older were young once and they said far worse than bitchez. 

I talked to a 72 year old guy the other day.  He retired but he is back working.  He went and got his concealed weapons permit with his 81 year old friend.  They see where Hope and Change is headed.  They are going to go down fighting if it comes to it.

The young voted overwhelmingly for this.  We still had a chance before 2008.  Now there is no chance.  

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 04:08 | Link to Comment Ben Dover
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Color me crazy, but looking at the debt charts and such from the 80's on it seems to me that we are right on schedule. The debt trajectory is going up no matter who is in office and it's going up in a predictable fashion. Elect Obama, McCain, Spongebob - it doesn't matter. In a sane world, it shouldn't be this way, but since when was Washington sane? But then we put them in office, so maybe we are all nuts too.

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:44 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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Your comment on page 1 said the Boomers voted Obama into office. Way to contradict yourself on Page2!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:22 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Says the person who lived during the golden age created by his/her parents...

You Boomers need a dedicated third hand just to continuously pat yourselves on the back. Funny how all these problems became so great under your leadership.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment spondoolix
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I created my own "golden age", ass-wipe.  Started work at 11, served my country, worked my way through college and grad school.  I appreciate that my parents instilled a work ethic, rather than perpetual whining.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:40 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Haha... I'm sure luck or good fortune had nothing to do with it. It's all you.

Did they teach anything about humility?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:00 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:13 | Link to Comment TMT
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Why be a dick? Take him at his word. I don't agree with his crap about the youth not getting fucked, but for fuck sake why chalk up his success to luck or good fortune?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:22 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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I was trying to convey three things:

1) The "success" of the economy was due in large part to the WWII generation early on and later by enormous deficit spending. The Boomers rode the wave which greatly exaggerated their successes. They were lucky to be born at the right time.

2) He in particular is boastful and probably has no humility.

3) We're all lucky just to be here, but must arrogant people don't realize that.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:47 | Link to Comment OldPhart
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Correction to point 1.

The economy was so successful because we were practically the only economy left standing after WWIItm.  Our economic competitors of the day were left devastated and we had fully functioning war factories that converted back to peace time production with narely a skipped beat.

Add to it that we had a tremendous military, along with so many naval assets that we mothballed loads of ships along waterways and started parking excess aircraft.  We were supreme because the rest of the world was either piles of ashes or remained third world shitholes.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:36 | Link to Comment barliman
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Think for a second ...

You are arguing with someone who shares none of your values.

More to the point - he may be one of the younger generation who thought it was a good idea to take on a ton of student debt so he could go to "a really good school" because it would pay off in "networking capabilities" after he graduated.

There is a TRILLION dollars of that kind of thinking out there.

When I finished my engineering degree I owed zero dollars for my education because I paid my way as I went going to a state college. I started working when I was 16. In my 20's and 30's my average work week topped 50+ hours a week. No one bitched about it back then. We were saving money to buy things like houses and cars - not buying things and presuming we would have a job that would eventually pay for what we were buying.

barliman

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:53 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Yeah, yeah, we know the story of your generation. It was all you.

Being how your an engineer you may appreciate this logic... If the young generations are so screwed up as the Boomers claim, what happened? It's not like the younger generations sprung from the ground like orks. They were born from Boomer wombs and tended to with Boomer hands. OH MY, maybe the Boomers weren't perfect after all...

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:54 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Get a job and a life. So glad my kids work hard and are educated. I pat myself on the back for that. Too bad they are probably supporting your whining ass, as am I.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:57 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Nope they're not, don't worry. Truth hurts and the Boomers cry!!!

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:50 | Link to Comment Freddie
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There are no jobs but the majority of the young voted to totally f**k the system in 2008.  They succeeded.   Yeah it was it headed down - yeah but not at light speed like now. 

We still had a chance - not any more.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:15 | Link to Comment barliman
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Well, bad news for you.

My kids are following in our foot steps. They don't watch DWTS or the other drivel. They were taught early that television is a commercial enterprise and is ALWAYS trying to sell you something.

Other boomers? Well, a lot of my family is liberals - and most of their children have delusions of entitlement. They have no savings to speak of and somehow think government will carry them.

The point is not that boomers are perfect. We operated in a different time under different expectations. A LOT of THINGS really sucked back then - it was worse than today.

See my post below on that topic.

bariman

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 05:29 | Link to Comment Acet
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I'm getting the impression that what we have here is a case of a younger generation person who is probably a carefull, thinking, saver type criticizing the boomer generation while members of the boomer generation who are themselves carefull, thinking, saver types defend it.

If you're here, you're probably one of those pesky critical-thinker terrorist types, so probably not the kind that blows-up 1.2 times its income every month on junk.

The way I see it, the problem are the impulsive-consumer, no-critical-thinking types, both in the boomer generation and in the current generation. We certainly didn't got were we are by being parsimonious or fighting to have a clean and fair political systems where wise leaders could be elected rather than the corrupt ones we have.

Sure, maybe the recently graduates and the like are behing screwed hard at the moment, but most of them were (and many still are) blowing up money on each new version of the iPhone as soon as it comes out. The behavior of the majority of people in both generations hasn't been exactly wise.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment barliman
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Agreed.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 04:30 | Link to Comment Gavrikon
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Perhaps you were born in the 50's like me?  My experiene has been pretty much the same.  I started working with my dad in an ice house bagging cubes when I was 12 for .50 an hour.  Big money for me at the time. Military for computer training, then B.S., M.S., working full time.  Learned German and Russian, moved to Europe where I've been gainfully employed most of my adult life.   

But, it seems to me that i HAD to get out of the US to stay employed as an I.T. sppecialist, to a country where Indians aren't very welcome.  I don't think our children in the US have the same opportunities that we did.  

As far as our educational system goes, I read an article recently that factoing in race, our white kids do a well or better than other white kides in the workd, or blacks fare better than blacks in other countries, our Asians, Mexicans, etc., the same.  That said, I agree that ridding ourselves of the NEA would be a marvelous thing.  Just don't believe that it will make much of a difference for everyone.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 07:49 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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If the lessen the tax burden on the individual payer and make states pay entirely for their residents' education if would make a difference to me. I'm now subsidizing most states south of the Mason Dixon with my tax dollars.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:56 | Link to Comment SanOvaBeach
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Once again, got mine, fuck you and the horse you rode in on!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:31 | Link to Comment Melin
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I hate the age/class nonsense as well but it's more than a tad disengenuous to say to younger generations, "Just go out and make a future by yourself, for yourself!"

There's a statist, control-freak set of looters and moochers at the helm of nearly every government on the planet who are strangling any and every opportunity.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment spondoolix
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You are just a "candy ass".  Get out there and do something constructive.  What a whiner!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:47 | Link to Comment Melin
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That's cute but I'm succesful.  There was still a speck of freedom left when I entered the workforce. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:57 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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What have you done shit head to preserve and promote liberty? I push it every day but very few people have enough guts even  to speak out against the oligarchs. That probably includes you Melin. I've listened to gripers all my life and not a god damned one of them is willing to even lift a pencil for a Letter to the Editor or attend a public meeting and speak out.

Do you just anonymously bitch here or do you participate in public. Do you have a bank account with one of the big time criminal banks? Are you in debt to the hilt? What bank gives you credit on one or more credit cards? Do you use cash all the time?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The average idiot just watches TV or Hollywood's sh*t and helps keeep their overlords in power by watching.  TV and the newsmedia is the matrix.  If people shut it off - our jailers and masters would lose a lot of their power. 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 08:27 | Link to Comment Melin
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Presume much?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:50 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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How to put this...
Fuck off.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment chet
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Another defining feature of the boomer generation is that every one of them is convinced that they are the only person who ever did an honest days work in their life. You don't know me or anyone else here so save the lecture hero.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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Spondoo I'd like to see you go out there at your advanced age and compete for entry level jobs in this job market and we'll see who's the candy ass 'cause even if you get it you'll be sucking eggs and eating peanuts with your 3 roomies at the $10/hr; unless of course you are a certifiable jock douchebag and land a spot at Goldman Sachs trading porn and government handouts via Bernank robbing the taxpayer.

 

the sooner the banking sector crashes and burns the better for the planet. there is no more lending, no more interest rates on the savings, ergo there is no more banking, there's just pure simple ponzi transacting and some ATM conveniences -- folks we are living in the insane asylum sucking on Nurse Rachet's med spewing titties and most of us don't want to break the fuck out... or put another way, adjusted for true inflation, with ZIRP you are losing money at the bank every single millisecond on every single fractional penny you have deposited there. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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collapse or no collapse the boomers are eventually screwed either way.  gen x will see to it.  with a little help from the millennials, of course.  that's right, i said it.  generational warfare, bitchez.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 00:04 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Yeah, killing Granny is always good for one's image.

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