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And In The Category For Biggest Conspiracy Theory We Have....

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Two and a half years after consistently and methodically exposing one conspiracy after another (and by the way, once it is proven to be a fact, it is no longer a conspiracy), we were stunned to find that the biggest conspiracy theory is none other than... Zero Hedge. "Zero Hedge, for example, is one that lots of hedge funds look at, lots of money managers look at, and the guy that runs it has their ear. Now I'm not saying that he is not doing his own proprietary work, but, people like to plant stories in there. [cue ominous silence]." TA DUN DUN.

Gee - one does learn something new every day.

And now, back to planting malicious rumors and vile, incorrect stories of ponzi schemes, broken markets, deranged vacuum tubes, plundered tungsten bars, BLS data manipulation, collapsing Nielsen ratings, hyperinflationary obsessive-compulsive printing habits, global central planner intervention and what not.

Also, to anyone who still doesn't get it, please send your dodecatuple secret "plant" stories to plant@zerohedge[.]com along with your payment made in physical gold Zimbabwean dollars, to be delivered to our paper street headquarters. We certainly would prefer it if the drop man is Bank of America's James Mahoney.


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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:29 | 1592902 dalkrin
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Who knew?  Goldman has been keeping the servers running all this time.  And now Tyler reveals himself to be none other than The Bernank.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:38 | 1592930 Ident 7777 economy
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  No thread with the word 'conspiracy' in the title would be complete without a mention of HAARP these days < -- so there it is BANKERS ...




(... or did I mean WANKERS?)

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:50 | 1593005 Max Fischer
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I've always wondered if there was a connection between ZH and Eric Sprott?  ZH seemed to be a major participant in the Great Silver Pump of 2010, just as Sprott was starting PSLV.  Now, as the NAV premium seems fairly well maxed and Sprott's been dumping shares, ZH doesn't do many silver articles anymore.  While silver is still north of $40, the interest in pumping silver just doesn't seem to exist anymore.  Very curious.  

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:58 | 1593051 eisley79
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yet there silver articles you refered to said to own actual Physical, not etfs, as do all the silver bull commentors of the time....

you appear to want attention, likely to some failoblog ( , just hold your breath while I go google you...

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:21 | 1593159 Thomas
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And all this time I thought Bankrupt of America had problems. Now I find out you guys have been picking on them without mercy. It worked so well, go after Exxon Mobil. A rumor campaign that they are insolvent would really get some traction.

Translation: These idiots are clowns and irrelevant.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:30 | 1593204 jerry_theking_lawler
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i now officially want to marry ZH.....

when you strike a nerve with TPTB, then they 'try' to take you down. they will have a fight on their hands this time.....

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:03 | 1593344 Bananamerican
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speaking of marriage, where does CNBS find all these flinty clams?

....and why is the set spinning??

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:17 | 1593476 fuu
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I think JPM and WFC were the product placement in that segment.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:35 | 1593569 FEDbuster
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Mark to Market, bitchez!

The whole fucking system is bankrupt, corrupt and collapsing.  This asshats will still be talking about the "recovery" when the lights go off in their studio.  In the meantime, their big boss, Imelt, ships GE medical imaging headquarters and R&D labs to China.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:48 | 1593626 Haywood Jablowme
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At least now I know where all the negatives about my earlier "America, FUCK YEAH" post came from........the fucking bitches over at CNBC!!!


Hey CNBC, you twats should tell your make-up artists to add a little more foundation to match the brown on your noses LMFAO



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:44 | 1593823 Ahmeexnal
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Let the dogs bark, Sancho. It’s a sign that we are on track.


- Donkey Hoty

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 01:35 | 1593935 knukles
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Precisely, Watson.  What is amiss is exactly that the dog did not bark.

So telling, Dr. Freud hisself speaking.  The dweeb who brought it up, the "plant stories there" routine, did so whilst looking down to his left, cut the statement off abruptly in a manner similar to a clearing the throat and nervous hand needed an idle movement as in to the knot of his tie and displays a blanched micro expression. 
Simple visual clues from basic forensic assessment interview and integrated interogation techniques.... Made the shit up out of thin air.
And was wary of being called on it.

Pwned, asshole.
You read it here on ZeroHedge.

Which we all know you'll read after being cited herein.
How ya gonna face your friends now?

Never, ever get caught on Wall Street.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 02:08 | 1594016 scratch_and_sniff
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get a fucking life.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 04:01 | 1594168 zhandax
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get a fucking life.

Piss off.  How come my don't my dog bark when you come around?....

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 06:46 | 1594331 The Peak Oil Poet
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interesting thing


lots of people got burned by the silver scam - sucked in by all those clever "ads" that pretended to be something else and lots of which turned up here on zero hedge

i think that was the reason for the accusation - because those adds were often and clever


and comletely dishonest



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 06:56 | 1594339 zhandax
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Hey I feel for ya.  I am really feeling scorched by those last few hundred ozers I bought at $18.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 07:11 | 1594356 zhandax
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Truth be told, I was eBUI last spring and picked up another 65 ozers at ~$35.  I am not underwater on those either.  Why don't you go back and join the Paulson support group at HuPpo?  He needs all the love he can get.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 07:17 | 1594366 The Peak Oil Poet
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well, gee i paid much less when i started


but all the same i watched people get burned - including people who borrowed a lot of money to buy silver at $45 and up against my advise


and they all sited a number of sources


gee, i guess ya feel for people so ya know what i mean



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 07:25 | 1594372 zhandax
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people who borrowed a lot of money to buy silver at $45 and up against my advise and they all sited a number of sources

Any of them name ZH as the source?

Better yet, you have anything to do with the reco?



Sat, 06/30/2012 - 04:48 | 1594781 fuu
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"but all the same i watched people get burned - including people who borrowed a lot of money to buy silver at $45 and up against my advise"


So not only were they stupid enough to take the advice of an anonymous message board, they failed to listen to your voice of reason, and they borrowed money they didn't have to get rich quick?

I mean seriously that sort of stupidity cannot be blamed on anyone but the purchaser.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 03:05 | 1594109 StychoKiller
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Now accepting the Oscar for "Best Conspiracist in the BlogoSphere...Tyler Durden!"  Speech, Tyler, speech! :>D

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 05:08 | 1594243 cossack55
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"Now accepting the award for Mr. Durden, who is posing undercover as a branch manager in a TBTF bank in NJ, is Rudolf von Bernankenstein"

no speech, Rudy, no speech!!!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:26 | 1594716 rocker
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Better Yet, How about a Oscar for the "Best Conspiracist in TV Financial News"

I can't on my fingers and toes how many times CNBC contributors pump each other's stocks and watch them go down.

Are they pumping to get out of positions. This week one of the above contributors made comment about how LULU was going down.

Joe said on air, "Easy, I have a postion there yet".   Hmmmmm.  Should have been discussed in the green room before show like they do. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 08:42 | 1594523 Reptil
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It's very late in the game. Which is a takedown of the western economies and nation structures. While this in itself is nothing but a cycle, playing itself out, the environment the post war USA an western europe are being replaced with is nothing but a terrible empty wasteland of incompetence, paranoia and at the top psychopathic disregard of fundamental laws that rule this dimension. No self regulating capitalism in sight. Corporatism and dying consumerism as far as the eye can see.
To the trollish, to the pundits; the reason TD has an ear here is because he's fucking good. If he would make a mistake (which he occasionally does), he'd be corrected, challenged. Because we have no time for opinions based on the now pervasive, white-knuckled "group-think" that all will be ok as long as we repeat failed strategies ad nauseam. This is fight club and if you like to interdict something, anything (like the brave but foolish) mr. Fisher, you better have your facts straight, or expect to be slaughtered.
Silver is not high on the list here because of emotional reasons, and neither is Eric Sprott. He's just another fund manager. That he, and ZH are being attacked (on baseless rumours) speaks chapters about the business and intellectual climate in N-America: instead of everyone minding their own store and competition based on offering a different product than the other guy, there's now the "us versus them" paradigm prevalent. Words like "conspiracy" fit right in there. And instead of looking forward, and let the market take care of obsolete dinosaurs, "9-11" is wheeled out again, now with "exclusive interviews" of the man that "made it all possible", the one that actually failed to do his job.
Accountabillity, or the lack thereof is what's driving individuals, funds, dictators and central banks into gold. Silver is more complicated, since there are a miriad of reasons for it to be valuable, now and in the near future. More than the IQ points of the guy that wrote the quoted article no doubt.
Oh well.... These clowns will be bankrupted and discarded for the useful idiots they are, and no one will really care.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:48 | 1595328 Bullionaire
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By the way, JPM:SILVER now negative for 23 days, and I doubt that this faux "bear raid" will push silver down to $35.35.





Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:31 | 1593781 RagnarD
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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 05:29 | 1594258 blunderdog
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Hey, Tyler, can we push the meme that Jude Law has cancer?  Just for the hell of it.  I'd also really like it settled whether Dave Letterman is wearing a bad toupee or not.  It's been too many years of wondering.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 02:41 | 1594072 NewThor
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I think it is safe to say Julian Assange is a big ole douche bag.


Don't let us down, Tyler.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:34 | 1593577 metalsman22
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You KNOW you're getting close to the fire when they start throwing spears at you...well done ZH!!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:13 | 1593727 erg
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Listen again. Amongst that I'm sure I can hear a putt being landed.

Good one Tyler.

Very subliminal. Say 1:35.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:16 | 1593733 Mactheknife
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What was it Ghandi said..."First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they want to fight you, then you win".  Or something pretty close. LOL ....Welcome to fight club CNBC losers.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 02:16 | 1594025 Spirit Of Truth
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"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth." - Mohandas Gandhi

Keep fighting the good fight ZH!

The Spirit Of Truth

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 04:05 | 1594172 WarriorClass
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Expose the conspiracy!

Break the code:


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 06:41 | 1594323 gwen
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I am on the list to marry ZH too. F**** (oups, no marry) me, I'm french.

Still, it is irresponsible to have a strong advice, documented & share it - those angry journalists are right.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:35 | 1593212 Mr. Mandelbrot
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Are all of you idiots?!!! Tyler is merely making fun of the fact that others would try to discredit his exposing of the "dark side" by implying that he(s) working for the dark side. Nothing has changed. The info has the same spirit of truth. Why do I need to even write this?! The whole point of the story is to mock the idea that the Tylers have been compromised (I've been here for two years Tylers, will you please at least pop my Tyler response cherry with a concise confirmatory reply please so the crazy thoughts subside?!) . . .

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:55 | 1593343 Stuck on Zero
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The Powers in charge will react angrily to truth with labels of conspiracy, disrespect, profiteering, and smear campaigns.  Often the truth offends.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 01:01 | 1593865 RockyRacoon
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From the video:  "Where's there's smoke, there's fire."   Couldn't have said it better.  In the last few minutes these folks did more damage to BofA than Blodgett could have done if he tried.   Just because one has the platform of lie ...oops, I mean live... TV doesn't mean that facts aren't facts.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:37 | 1593246 Potemkin Nation
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So he says we know where the money comes from and then when asked to elaborate he says people plant stories there?  Non sequitor.  That guy was incoherently reciting talking points someone gave him.  They need a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen "Watching CNBC is harmful to your net worth."

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:58 | 1593367 NewThor
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Cute asian women are cute +1.

It would be funny to see the Karma Tyler Durden received if he was only pretending to be Batman.


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:27 | 1593745 trentusa
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bac is about to go down hard and drag our freedoms kicking and screaming along with them if we dont spread the word about this it could really happen.

Courts, however, appear to be operating as intended and not lettling bac off on robo~signing thing so easy. Bac is going bankrupt where it deserved to be two years ago. Goldman should be treated diffrently, bc nobody ever did it better here in the States than Goldman. GS is our best and brightest i got money says GS beats Barclays in a sword flight

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 04:20 | 1594192 zhandax
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i got money says greed and leverage does both of them in......

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 05:10 | 1594246 cossack55
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i got money that says the courts will be dressed as 20,000 irate citizens with portable guillotines.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:30 | 1593165 Max Fischer
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Nah, that's not a real silver article.

I'm referring to the daily articles from the summer of 2010 to about April 2011, where ZH seemed to be endlessly pumping silver and anything associated with Sprott.  Of all the articles about silver (surely hundreds of them) find one, ONE, that is favorable to SLV. 

Instead, you'll find all sorts of pro-Sprott stuff, and some unfounded accusations about how SLV is full of chicanery.  One fund trades an average of 43M shares per day, while the other trades about 1M shares/day.  Which fund do you think is more susceptible to mispriced  "chicanery?" 

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:30 | 1593206 scatterbrains
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go back to sleep Max

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:39 | 1593259 DeadFred
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He already is. This is just part of his nightmare.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:07 | 1593386 Rick64
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Wake up Mr. Fischer.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 01:57 | 1593993 GoinFawr
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You got the wrong end of the stick: he's a Sandman posing as a housepet.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:34 | 1593235 SRV - ES339
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PSLV has the silver to back every share sold... SLV does not. The premium in PSLV is a function of the educated investor's understanding of this simple fact.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:48 | 1593309 DeadFred
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In all fairness I've not seen any real evidence that the silver is not where it should be, but JPM is the one 'safeguarding' it so in my opinion the suspicion has some merit. I'm willing to play SLV for a week or two but not long term. At very the least I worry about getting cooties from being too close too long.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:35 | 1593586 BrosMacManus
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that you, mr. sprott?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:44 | 1593632 Max Fischer
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That, Sir, is pure flapdoodle.  

You've been hornswoggled by fear-mongering disinformation agents.

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 02:35 | 1593977 GoinFawr
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 Either you can't see your digestive tract for all the polyps, or you like doing a little hornswallowing of your own.

If you really want to learn, you can start here:

You a KD acolyte or some'at?  (interdum modo elabitur)

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 03:10 | 1594115 StychoKiller
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You're such a flibbertygibbet...why, it's like there's an autogyro in your shirtwaist!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:37 | 1593240 Bring the Gold
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Right and who are the custodians of SLV's physical? One more question, who are the suspected biggest shorts in silver?


Tyler as Sprott though, I like that. Sprott doesn't drink as much coffee as Tyler.


Disclosure: Long stimulants. Short bullshit.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:44 | 1593287 KingdomKum
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anyone know when PSLV will offer options?


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:47 | 1593303 KingdomKum
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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:10 | 1593440 Bring the Gold
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I don't own PSLV, nor do I own shorts on SLV. I just don't trust SLV.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 02:26 | 1594044 GoinFawr
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With the potential for conflicts of interest buying certain ETF's could be like handing someone the ammo so that they can shoot you in the face.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:04 | 1593405 Mr. Mandelbrot
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Obviously, if you listened carefully to the video, the CNBC brass have bought into the "Google" idea that the main Tyler Durden is Daniel Ivandjiiski.  The reference to "banned trader" obviously coincides with this idea.  I, for one, hope that Daniel, as he claims, is merely a secondary "Tyler:" because I love the idea of anonymity and hope the true force(s) behind this site remain(s) beyond reproach or assail . . .

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:12 | 1593450 Bring the Gold
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I thought they were talking about Blodgett when they were talking about banned from securities or was there a second reference?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:21 | 1593501 Mr. Mandelbrot
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Google "Daniel Ivandjiiskii" . . .

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:11 | 1593719 Moe Howard
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I have noticed that Tyler and those kids at the NIA are never on the interwebs at the same time.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 05:14 | 1594249 cossack55
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I would have leaned towards Martin Armstrong.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:38 | 1593601 Max Fischer
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Tyler as Sprott though, I like that. Sprott doesn't drink as much coffee as Tyler...

No. No. No.  I never thought Sprott is Tyler.  

I was just questioning whether Sprott conspired with ZH to pump silver - that's all.  Seems like a reasonable question given the endless pumping of a low volume, brand new, unproven, over-priced etf. Sprott needed to make sure people would show up and bid when there's a perfectly legit behemoth like SLV sucking up all the volume. The only logical approach to lure investors away was to create fear and hysteria about SLV.  

Fringe blogs without fact-checking departments was the perfect mechanism to do that.  

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:21 | 1593747 Bring the Gold
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Why are you wasting your time on a "fringe blog"? Perfectly legit? I find it a stretch of my credulity to find anything that is controlled by the TBTF's as "perfectly legit". May I ask what your interest is in building up SLV and tearing down PSLV? Again, I own positions in neither nor do I plan on owning either in the near term.

If I wanted a silver ETF I think I would go with darn near anyone before trusting JPM as custodian. There are other solid silver backed funds out there other than PSLV that I would buy long before I would consider investing in SLV. That said the person who seems to have an agenda around these two ETF's is you.

Also ZH has always had the Caveat Emptor around "buying" into the info here. Everyone wants to abdicate responsibility for their own decisions now days, and if those decisions are stinky they are swept under the rug or smeared on someone else. No wonder we find ourselves where we do. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 08:57 | 1594594 doggings
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"without fact-checking departments"

this. labels you a fuckwit. 

fuck off, fuckwit. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1595392 Bullionaire
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You know a blog has become a threat when the trolls are suddenly able to construct a grammatically-correct sentence, and even sprinkle in some colorful anachronistic argot.


Troll away, "Max" - no one here cares.



Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:39 | 1593266 SilverIsKing
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Max, keep posting your brilliant points of view and perhaps Tyler will be so kind to post a story about how douchebag trolls are ineffective in their efforts to sway the opinion of others.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:10 | 1593408 Pegasus Muse
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SLV's prospectus is full of loopholes says the author.  Others have written the same thing.


Stay Away From The SLV ETF

August 23, 2011

With the market in turmoil, the price of metals has seen a rapid rise as investors look for a safe haven to store their cash. Gold has been the most prominent metal and now currently sits near $1,900 an oz. Investors have been piling into the GLD ETF as the best and easiest way to get exposure to the metal. The managers of GLD have set up physical vaults of gold, which then back up the value of the shares. This creates stability and efficiency and is a great system.

Silver has also been a very popular investment, though not as quite as gold, since silver isn't necessarily seen as a monetary base for countries. The iShares Silver Trust (SLV) is the premier silver ETF for traders and investors. However, unlike GLD, SLV has some serious issues that everyone should take note of.

rest of article:

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:54 | 1593682 Flakmeister
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Yeah, it is racket. Trade the options... downside is always limited in that case. They are very liquid. You define the risk.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:09 | 1594651 Reptil
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As posted before (to send all confusion to the dustbin, and establish a time line), NEITHER the trustee NOR custodian of SLV are judicially responsible for the amount and quality of the actual silver in the fund's holdings.
Caveat Emptor.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:09 | 1593709 Howard_Beale
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ZH has always had great respect for Eric Sprott--when silver was trading at $8 an ounce. Why does it take an old timer to set the record straight. I'm talking the fall of 2009 when I was living in Toronto and surprised to see such a great mind on Bay St brought to my attention by none other than ZH. You see, the blog has been around more than your little sample.

So shut the fuck up with your innuendo about Sprott and the Tylers. The Tylers respect certain money managers, others not, like ACKKKMAN and Paulson.

Kudos Tyler for one of the tags of the post as "none". :) Brilliant.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:17 | 1593739 Max Fischer
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In the fall of 2009, silver was trading over $15.

Even when ZH was started in early 2009, silver was between $12-15.

With all due respect, your $8 figure is nonsense.

I'm not questioning whether Tyler has respect for Sprott.  I'm just wondering if they were paid by Sprott or RBC or their agents to help pump PSLV. Even in their disclosure, they advise readers to assume they're pumping their book.   

That's all.  It's a fair question.

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:24 | 1593756 Bring the Gold
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Remind me again who isn't pumping their or a friend's book in financial analysis circles?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:02 | 1593073 spiral_eyes
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this video is some funny shit.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:06 | 1593094 LetThemEatRand
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Max Keiser had a great line re S&P that applies here as well -- in this new reality, the King investigates the person who says he has no clothes, for having poor eyesight.   I personally think most of the CNBC crew know the King is naked, but the King pays them quite well to say otherwise.  Whores will be whores.  

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:23 | 1593166 Thomas
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Fire Henry Blodgett and replace him with Bernie Madoff. THAT's how you solve a problem like this.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:38 | 1593252 Bring the Gold
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Yeah I loved that too. Now Max Keiser as Tyler...that might have some legs. Max has the requisite energy.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:56 | 1593358 Waffen
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I like Max, but he is into socialism and beleives in Global Warming, so Tyler he is not, imo.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:23 | 1593513 Youri Carma
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You don't even know what socialism is. You've been so much brainwashed. Gree on the AGW part.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:55 | 1593687 Flakmeister
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And could you explain in your own words why AGW is wrong?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:25 | 1593760 Bring the Gold
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...and popcorn futures up 500 basis points.


**Munch, munch, munch**

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:38 | 1593808 Punderoso
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Nobody has to explain why AGW is wrong, AGW is a proposed theory, it is the proponets of AGW which have to back up their assertion, and in which they have not done, but have tried to replace science with things like "lets take a vote and see how many believe it"...of course which follows...consensus, consensus, consensus!!!! The world is flat we took a vote and that is science!!!!!!! the debate is over you rightwing inbred denier!  

If it is not the standard that the proponent who makes up a theory has to support/demonstrate their theory rather than what you propose in which some jackass makes up a dumbass assertion and you are required to prove it wrong........ then prove me wrong that Obama is an alien from Mars, prove me wrong that the Beatles were really Chinese illegal immigrants that got some really awesome plastic surgery, prove me wrong that the smurfs were hired to plant explosives in the world trade center to bring it down, and prove me wrong that we must bailout all the big banks and corporations otherwise our world would fall into a black hole.....come on I am waiting, prove me wrong, what, you can't?, then of course your failure to prove me wrong proves my side....thats the logic and scientific method of this idiotic generation. Idiocracy, a great movie.....or should I say documentary.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:50 | 1593832 Flakmeister
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Yes, I am well aware of how science works...

All I asked him why he thought it was wrong.

I am amazed by the people here that have such strong view on AGW that are based on an understanding of the issue that, at best, allows them to be agnostic.

I have my views, but if someone says it is fill_in_the_blank conspiracy, I call bull shit.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 05:00 | 1594238 JimBowie1958
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AGW is attributing too much of the driving force behind rising temperatures to human activity rather than cyclical climate change, increased sun activity, or anything else.

While there is likely some support for human activity having some effect, the scale of human causal force is not determinable due to insufficient evidence.

Aside from the theory, the proposed solutions to AGW call for giving way too much power to the government and requiring far too much change to our modern lives considering the paucity of its supporting evidence.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 05:48 | 1594274 Escapeclaws
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Pardon my ignorance on this issue, but when you speak of AGW as being a cyclical phenomenon, what cycle(s) are you referring to? Because if you look at graphs of the concentration of CO2 molecules in the air, it has gone way up in the last 50 years. It's kind of like saying that gold's rise from $250 to the current $1850 is cyclical. Looking at the graph over the last 20 years, you would have the impression of slow exponential growth in the price of gold, not periodicity. So please back up your claim that AGW is cyclical with some actual cycles. Try to stay within the last 10,000,000 years ;)

I do understand about people trying to capitalize on AGW, but that's a whole other matter. My impression is that there is solid science behind AGW. You know that although science is subject to human corruption, it is far more "pure" than Wall St, and any behavior violates the community's canons of peer review, etc, is quickly noticed among scientists themselves who have no desire to see their work discredited due to some loose cannons firing. Note that Freeman Dyson believes in AGW, but he thinks it might be a good thing--at least he's not out there trying to discredit the theory, which he respects as being well-established. I recall Exxon Mobil doing its best to discredit AGW from way back at the time when I used to resonate with the editorials of the WSJ. Of course they only had the purest of motives, being but humble truth-seekers.

By the way, calling something a theory is not a negative--consider Einstein's General Relativity--nobody questions its results even though it is but a mere theory. But non-scientists like to jump on that saying "It's just a theory" and therefore not "the truth". That speaks to their ignorance. Some of these people who discredit AGW are only too happy to believe the world is 6000 years old.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:44 | 1594752 Andre
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Check out Anthony Watts over at for a good look at the dissenting side. I find the articles intelligent and honest, to the point of actually posting the code for some of the contrarian simulations, but mostly they just take a hard look at the arguments and events of the pro-AGW crowd.

Actually, I find AGW to be one of the more devious conspiracies out there.

  • There is significant evidence of scientific fraud (Climategate, Gore buying a condo on the waterfront of San Francisco when he says the water level will rise 20 feet pretty much any day now, etc.)
  • It justifies a massive "New World Order" government that kills billions
  • When nothing happens at the end (no catastrophic sea level rise and so on) the survivors can be told the slaughter of billions and total enslavement saved the human race, sustaining the credibility of the thugs in power

It's rather elegant, really. I especially like the National Geographic article Watts found asking for nuclear war to create a dust cloud to cool the earth.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:57 | 1594816 Flakmeister
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WUWT  is one of the sites that I follow when I hear news of a controversial paper on AGW.... I also simultaneously read the comments at RealClimate.... From the comments you get to see the something resembling a real debate.

You will also note that the debate being hashed out at WUWT is not about GW, no credible climate scientist denies GW, but about AGW.


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 19:47 | 1597345 Andre
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Good point and good catch - GW vs AGW

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:57 | 1595110 Escapeclaws
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Thanks for the reference. I will check that out.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:04 | 1593404 Bob Paulson
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Max is not that eloquent.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:47 | 1593646 SumSUN
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Maybe Max Keiser drinks enough coffee during the day to stay awake all night researching and drinking coffee.............

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 03:14 | 1594118 StychoKiller
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People will find it hard to understand something that they're PAID NOT TO UNDERSTAND!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:02 | 1593075 Phillips Capital
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Read zh's disclaimer. they definitely don't any bones about intentional or unintentional persuasion/book talking. expect bias everywhere, and if the info on the site helps you, great. if it biases you into making some kind of sucker's bet, then you just gotta hold yourself responsible. trust noone! 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:24 | 1593171 Thomas
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Yer just talkin' yer book. Why am I supposed to trust noone? Who is this noone guy?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 03:15 | 1594121 StychoKiller
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Danny Noone?  Excellent golfer, saw him partner with Chevy Chase! :>D

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:20 | 1593155 tmosley
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You've been wondering that for all 8 weeks you've been here?


Damn, and here I thought the trolls had stopped with the name changing.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:39 | 1593263 Bring the Gold
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Tmosley, I hope you were gifted Orcrist or Glamdring for your heroic efforts in Troll slaying.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:30 | 1593561 Flakmeister
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How do you respond to an appropriate but hopelesly nerdy response....

A Elbereth Gilthoniel

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:38 | 1593604 tmosley
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Kind of tough.  I just hide in an apple barrel when that kind of thing happens.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:50 | 1593658 fuu
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Happy Birthday!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:23 | 1593754 Lower Class Elite
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Yeah, it's just like that episode of Star Trek when Kirk... oh wait.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:32 | 1593785 akak
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LOL, but Star Trek is just a bit too mainstream for full effect.

Now, if you want to REALLY get nerdy, you need to make a reference to an obscure episode of "Babylon 5" or "Dr. Who".  Bonus points if you can make ANY reference to the series "Space:1999".

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:51 | 1593812 Flakmeister
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Landau... was'nt that a type of car roof??

Better yet the BBC series UFO..

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:44 | 1594767 Josey Montana
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Tidy Purple hair slappers with bluey tunics.  Scrummy!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:17 | 1594885 Flakmeister
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Never knew that... I only ever saw it on B&W TV

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 01:45 | 1593955 knukles
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Space 1999:  Moonbase Alpha
Dr. Who:       Moonbase Bowie
Babylon5:      Babylon5 (name of the space station itself)

Lomg live the Nerds

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 02:01 | 1594005 akak
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You cannot outnerd me!

Name the short-lived 1977-1978 sci-fi series starring Richard Benjamin as the captain of a spacegoing garbage scow --- and no Googling!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 08:37 | 1594505 Odin McHaggis
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Buck Rogers 21st Century?

Yeah, and screw CNBC I watch Kudlow for comedy value, same reason I read the comments on ZH.  Thank You ZH. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:10 | 1595421 Bullionaire
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CRAP!  Now I'm gonna have a stroke trying to reconstruct that neural pathway after all these years of microbrew.



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:33 | 1593793 Flakmeister
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You had to go and bring up the Gorn.... you should know better...

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:28 | 1593769 Bring the Gold
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Oh this nerd lost hope long ago, luckily I got this pre-1964 change...

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:38 | 1593806 Flakmeister
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I'm old enough to remember when silver was in limited circulation. As a kid, I saved *every* piece of silver that came my way...

I still have 1916 5ct Canadian silver piece that I found in the till at work. I replaced it with a nickel...

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:26 | 1593163 Pegasus Muse
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Innuendo, half truths, no credible references to back up his claims.  Yep, we do a conspiracy theorist on ZH.  This one just dropped by to take a stinky dump on Sprott's reputation. 

Here's the facts from the horse's mouth.  KWN interview from back in early May.

With silver recently plummeting from $50 to the $40 area, today King World News interviewed Eric Sprott, Founder of Sprott Asset Management to clear up some misperceptions about Sprott’s sales of PSLV.  There is a great deal of misinformation out there regarding what Sprott was actually doing when SAM sold some PSLV.  When asked about what has transpired Sprott remarked, “Well Eric in response to your question, any proceeds that we’ve received from selling PSLV have immediately gone back into silver or other silver equities.  And I can tell you we have the highest position in physical ownership that we’ve ever had, and we have not lost one ounce of our encouragement for the outlook for the silver price.”!.html

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:29 | 1593200 Max Fischer
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Calm down, buddy.  

No one is questioning why Sprott sold his shares.  Everyone knows he's buying physical with it.  If I could start a fund, convince a very small group of silver fanatics to overpay by 20% for the shares, I, too, would cash them in and buy physical with it.  It's like getting physical for a 20% discount.

No one is questioning this. 

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:15 | 1593463 tmosley
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I love how you throw in a bunch of lies and then claim that no-one is questioning them.

I also love how you think you know more than the market.  Let's see the big bucks you've made with all of your "insights".

Funny how you think that a "small group of silver fanatics" can somehow come up with $1.17 BILLION to throw it away on an overpriced silver fund.  You know better than all the billionaires that Sprott personally brought in to the fund.

You "know" so much, yet you are so, so poor.  Maybe it's not what you "know", but what you know that counts.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:48 | 1593649 Max Fischer
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What lies are you talking about?  

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 02:40 | 1594070 Bay of Pigs
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Hey Max, Please fuck off you pathetic loser. Thank you...

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:53 | 1593019 Phillips Capital
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CRAP!! CNBC must've read my ZH post!! "BAC over XLF, at this point?" 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:24 | 1593517 candyman
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old media new media....

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:40 | 1592952 AldousHuxley
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Who knew Greenspan is into the Fight Club thing after work at his age.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:24 | 1593170 Arkadaba
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I can sort of visualize it - OMG

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:08 | 1593413 AldousHuxley
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perhaps in a yoda sort of a way yes



no that old guy in Six Flags commercial:

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:31 | 1593218 Canaduh
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Look Ma I'm on CNBC!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:03 | 1594619 doggings
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Greenspan's a bit old, but Bernanke vs Ron Paul would make a great cage fight, I'd pay to see that.

RP with the ground n pound IMO. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:44 | 1592971 SMG
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"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win"

Tyler, I think you've made it to the "they fight you" stage.  Congrats! 

So, onward to a better truthful world.


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:53 | 1593021 wisefool
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+1. Gitter done Tyler!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:58 | 1593054 Havana White
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Git 'er done, Tylers!  (It is plural, after all.  More power to ya.)

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:16 | 1593146 CrazyCooter
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You know, its like a magician (money elite/bankers/fed/wall street/etc) wowing the crowd (sheeple/j6p/retirees/unemployed/etc) and there is this one smart kid in the audience (Tyler) that keeps pointing out all the tricks, exposing the magician, and ruining the show.

I know I am much better off for having found ZH almost two years ago. I actually feel ready/prepared for what is coming and am working on friends/family who do pay attention to what I say (as crazy as I sound).

History today will be hell to rewrite ... the future shall be interesting to say the least!



Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:59 | 1593058 chump666
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what is that quote from? book of five rings?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:13 | 1593127 phyuckyiu
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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:26 | 1593179 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Sort of Escher-esque ain't it?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:13 | 1593131 trembo slice
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i always thought it was a Gandhi quote, but i couldn't find it credited to him when i searched for it recently.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:31 | 1593213 Bad Sushi
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Actually, Ghandi kinda ripped off Schopenhauer...

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:41 | 1593274 chump666
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Gandhi?  Jeez...I though it was a combat style quote ala Art of War, Samurai etc

y'know get the enemies emotions all out of whack then cut their f*cking heads off.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:28 | 1593550 phyuckyiu
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There is more than one way to defeat. But it requires critical mass.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 06:14 | 1594300 Cultural Capital
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:06 | 1593092 Id fight Gandhi
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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:14 | 1593140 zen0
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Sorry. Its the ridicule stage. They can't get away with ignoring now. Just because the ridicule is lame, it is still not a fight stage engagement.


shouldn't be long, though.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:25 | 1593177 tmosley
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Their first night at Fight Club won't be pretty.  Wads of cookie dough, all.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:12 | 1593123 johnnynaps
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Yeah, the nazi party was constantly trying to discredit people.....they also used intimidation. Poor zerohedge and S&P!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:52 | 1593334 zenbones
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I was thinking the Squid.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:58 | 1593373 Life of Illusion
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They just increased your traffic; now increase your advertizing rates.

 They need to shoot off their mouth more often; it’s good for your biz.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:22 | 1593506 Frankie Carbone
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Jesus Christ! What have I done???? Excuse me, but I've got to run out and convert my entire portfolio to US Savings Bonds right now.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:47 | 1593647 Freddie
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I crack up when that Karen parrot on Fast Money talked about Bank of America's next Q earnings release in October.  They "ain't" gonna make it to October.  The panel and CNBC sucks.  Guy Adami is pretty cool but he was not one.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 06:02 | 1594290 boiow
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(and by the way, once it is proven to be a fact, it is no longer a conspiracy),

  surely you mean .once it is proven to be a fact , it is no longer a theory

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:31 | 1592904 Gamblor
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No way. Bernank too obvious.  Jamie Dimon?  Per-fucking-fection.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:31 | 1592905 Id fight Gandhi
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Fast money fuckers ass Clowns I say!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:35 | 1592929 Whatta
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the easiest way to make money in the market these days is to take the opposite side of the trade of Joe Terranova. works most every time.

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