And The Euro Downgrade Hits Just Keep On Coming, This Time Fitch

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Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:50 | 1987411 Ahmeexnal
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Peak idiocy.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:55 | 1987435 Popo
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If everyone is on credit watch negative.... is anyone on credit watch negative?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:57 | 1987441 GeneMarchbanks
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Are you calling it? Cause I think you're way early.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 15:22 | 1987778 JPM Hater001
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Meh- let's get real.  This is like calling water wet and the sky blue.

"Captain Obvious here.  Remember kids, water will get you wet."  A little too obvious even for todays news.  Drop them to Junk where they belong and then we can talk about real downgrades.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:50 | 1987414 Jlmadyson
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Oh so lucky Mr Sarkos. Or later today perhaps not.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:51 | 1987421 JSD
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Not allowed when the markt is open.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:52 | 1987422 Temporalist
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Liquidity = "Fixable" 

Insolvency = "Well say it's liquidity"

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:54 | 1987424 ebworthen
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Ma foi!  No downgrade of insolvent France and French banks?!

What has the world come to?  2008?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:53 | 1987427 transaccountin
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Horror as Walmart stays open after husband 'stabs wife to death in front of shoppers in the middle of the store'

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1987450 ebworthen
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Walmart:  "Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family of the victim (but we couldn't possibly jeopardize half a day's worth of receipts over a human life)."

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:03 | 1987471 cossack55
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"Cleanup in aisle 12"

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1987503 HelluvaEngineer
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"We have a blood spill on aisle 12.  I repeat, a code 22 on aisle 12"

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:03 | 1987472 sabra1
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no more $2 waffle makers?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:53 | 1987430 valley chick
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Just "shocked" I tell you! /sarc

Credit rating agencies have lost their creditiblilty.  /sarc off

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:56 | 1987431 GeneMarchbanks
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Nico-SEE YA!

Poor Cyprus. God only knows how many Greek/Turkish/other tycoons evade taxes through them...


Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:54 | 1987433 Waterfallsparkles
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Thank God they finally downgraded them.  This has been a hangover for the Market.  Now we can get over the worry about the downgrades.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:55 | 1987434 machineh
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'Shockingly, French-owned Fitch has nothing to say about France.'

Well, they have to give 12 hours notice, you know.

Check back in after midnight.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:56 | 1987437 Dr. Engali
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Does anybody else out there get sick of thinking...This is it? This is the one. Then nothing happens. I feel like we are living on a knifes edge daily yet nothing pushes us over the either side.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:16 | 1987540 Schmuck Raker
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Sorta like I'm at a train station waiting for my ship to come in.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:56 | 1987439 CClarity
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If Sovenia is there, count on Croatia, Austria, Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Moldava which will continue to weaken the entire region, and leak into further eroding Europe.  The talking heads can make fun of the "little" countries, but people, this is really adding up now.  It doesn't have to be a big country to start the default avalanche.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:03 | 1987474 GeneMarchbanks
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'If Sovenia is there, count on Croatia, Austria, Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Moldava which will continue to weaken the entire region, and leak into further eroding Europe.'

That's a broad list there, pal. Several of those nations aren't even in the EU so you're stretching it. Austria is actually quite solid outside a few banks and Montenegro is like the Monaco of the Balkans. A country outside of the EZ defaulting only means the IMF takes the hit. It does need to be one of the PIIGS for things to get ugly fast.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:11 | 1987513 CClarity
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Doesn't have to be in EU to put additional pressure on EU banks and financial system.  And Austria is very exposed to housing and economy in Hungary and Romania what with their banks making many Swiss Franc denominated loans to them.  Greek also owns a lot of Romanian and Hungarian debt.  And Montenegro - have you been there lately?  Everything is for sale.  Unfinished building projects litter the coast.  

Point is, only one card falling in this house of cards can bring it all down.  Or not.  But there isn't enough bailing wire to hold this all together anymore.  It isn't just about the EMU, a currency, a few banks or peripheral countries anymore.  They are intertwined and the overwhelming debt saturation is going to quicksand most of them.  The governments and banks are also so interconnected now that most must reset.  That will translate into default for many.  

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:20 | 1987554 GeneMarchbanks
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'Everything is for sale.'

Think that statement about sums it up but you have to include the politicians as well. Simple arithmetic says Greece defaulted some time ago. Trust me when I tell you that nothing changes unless Ireland, Greece or Portugal have a debtors revolt. Nothing happens until then. Remember the EUcratz have chosen a path of austerity for us... and that always ends in one way.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1987502 Caviar Emptor
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And Ukraine! lots brewing there. Don't forget the Baltic States that nearly had a bank run this week. And Denmark! in deep for a few years, flying below the radar. 

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:57 | 1987443 Waterfallsparkles
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Fast Money thought it was a real riot with the downgrading of Solvenia, Belgium and Cypress.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1987446 navy62802
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Of course they'll blame the UK.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1987448 Mark123
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I wonder how much these genius's were paid to come up with this insightful analysis?  Was it done by a coop student....maybe the product of "bring your daughter to work day"?



Fri, 12/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1987451 BluPoint
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Likely limited to be just one or two notches.  Makes me feel much better about things going forward.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1987455 Mike2756
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It's a known gnome at this point.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:01 | 1987461 dereksatkinson
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Rating downgrades are a lagging indicators IMO..  Sentiment is compelling.. 

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:02 | 1987466 sabra1
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the soon to be in hell globalists are buying up all debt, no matter the price, to finally send the bill to collect. the rating agencies help ther cause by making that debt truly unpayable. they want our souls, but it ain't gonna be easy, right? well, right?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:02 | 1987467 Jlmadyson
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"Comprehensive solution for euro zone crises technically and politically beyond reach."

"Europe lacks credible financial backstop."

Really now. Really.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:03 | 1987470 Aunty Christ
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The dirty li'l secret is that the downgrades are MORE than priced in already. France CDS trade >200, which is where a TON of BBB rated countries trade. Even if the rating agencies downgrade France a notch or two ( which they love to do after the market closes), don't be surprised to see a rally in risk assets/Euro...

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:05 | 1987489 YesWeKahn
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In a sane time, S&P would have been down more than 20%, but it is still resisting. People are still affraid of missing a "rally".

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:06 | 1987490 you enjoy myself
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umm, thanks for that there hillarity Fitch.  would you be so kind as to name those mythical "solvent" states that you're so concerned about?


Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:08 | 1987497 navy62802
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It's only a matter of time before actual downgrades start coming across the tape from S&P.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:19 | 1987553 you enjoy myself
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thereby commencing a massive plunge of 10 points on ES.  to be made up (plus some) over the next couple days after everyone digests/ignores it, and the Fed continues pumping behind the scenes. 

this is really starting to resemble an awful Rocky scene, where he takes 27 direct head shots and the only result is an occasional stumble backwards.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1987505 Dick Darlington
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OT: The government of Goldman Sac... err Italy received "xmas presents" early this year. But but but, i was told ALL italians LOVE their new unelected leaders. Was i lied again? Tell me it ain't so!

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:12 | 1987522 eri
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Somebody still gives a flying f*** about Fitch or S&P downgrading anybody?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 15:16 | 1987753 nonclaim
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In general, no.

But still many funds may be restricted from adding positions on those countries cutting demand from future auctions. Some may actually have to close positions depending on strategy/legal reqs.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:18 | 1987547 Snakeeyes
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Yields dropping on bad Gyro news. Looks like ECB is asking Eurobanks to buy sovereign debt. QUANTITATIVE EASING, GYRO-STYLE!!!!!

Fitch Hints at Italy and Spain Downgrade, Euro Drops, But Yields Drop Too!

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:56 | 1987673 Quinvarius
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Where is one to stuff all their pilfered loot, now?  So many inflationary reservoirs cracking wide open.  Ahh.  The credit bust will be even better with the Fed/ECB buying all that garbage for top dollar as the bankers dump it in a panic.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 16:46 | 1988098 aldousd
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FUCK! Cypress?!? Not Cypress!

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 16:56 | 1988145 LookingWithAmazement
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Hat tip 2012: the Dutch housing bubble.

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