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And Meanwhile, In The Arabian Sea...
There was a time, late in the winter, that not a day passed without some headline announcing Israel's preparedness to attack Iran, culminating with the grotesque - a show on Israel TV detailing the actual invasion plans. All these daily updates did was guarantee one thing - that absolutely no war could possibly break out for two simple reasons:
i) you never declare war when the opponent is expecting you, instead you habituate them to news about imminent invasions which never happens, and,
ii) Brent was over $120, which would guarantee no re-election for Obama as outright war would send the energy complex soaring, gas prices surging, and the world economy, but most importantly the Russell 2000, tumbling.
Over the past 2 months two things have happened: chatter of "imminent" war with Iran has died down to barely a whisper, and WTI is now trading 20% lower than 2012 highs. Which means there is far more capacity for a run higher. So putting all that together, does it mean that the prospect of war with Iran is now gone? Below we present the latest naval update map courtesy of Stratfor, and leave readers to make their own conclusions...
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Bahrain is home, relax Durden.
No surprise here. Obama needs to get re elected and the timing is not quite right.
So are Naples, Guam and Yokosuka.And?
And Diego Garcia...
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/dg.html
What's Diego Garcia got to do with it???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdpWwWB2-n8&ob=av2e
Don't forget Al Udeid, longest runway in the Gulf at 15,000 feet and at a cost of a billion dollars to the US taxpayer.
Wait, where in the world is Sandiego Garcia?
Wait, where in the world is Sandiego Garcia?
Little island off coast of CA.
The location is actually classified, or it used to be as far as i remember...
Its on Google Earth w/great pix
7 18'S 72 24'E
We won't attack Iran. You know why? We only attack secular Arab states--never fundamentalist ones. Only exception was Afghanistan...but we let the Taliban back in when people stopped paying attention.
I'm curious why no one else has noticed this. It's almost as if there is an agenda to actively promote fundamentalist Islam. Or something.
It's almost as if there is an agenda to actively promote fundamentalist Islam.
Hey, great observation. The Reagan administration started that policy back in the '80s.
It's almost as if there is an agenda to actively promote fundamentalist Islam.
Fundamentalist Islam is a Totalitarian state, just what fits the Globalists model but with a twist of Islam for the easy acceptance by the locals.
In US - Give up your freedoms, to protect the American "way of life."
In ME - Give up yoru freedoms, to protect Islam, Muslim "way of life."
Yeah, America and Iran are exactly alike. Let's see. In the US you can say whatever you want about your leaders (without worry), you can protest and march and worship (or not) as you please. You don't have to worry about censorship or the secret police. In the US, rapists get prosecuted and everyone has their day in court. Except for those things Iran is just like the US/
Unintentional humor?
Wake up!
I neraly fell off my chair when I read this.
'...and everyone has their day in court.' - and Corzine's day is when?
Naive, or what?
muppet
You mean the CIA started that policy...'administrations' are simply groups of puppets the sheeple concentrate on, while the real rulers operate behind the curtain.
In this specific case, that's bullshit. Fighting the commies in Afghanistan was a major Reagan administration objective. It was not happening until specific decisions were made to start arming the mujahadeen.
Same as with the Central and South American neo-Nazis we were so friendly with at the time.
If you really believe what you're suggesting, you can't hold the President and his crew responsible for ANYTHING. I don't agree.
Who is keeping the president and his crew responsible for anything in the first place? The media? The U.S. voter?
If it's the media then we're fucked. If its the U.S. voter then we are also fucked because what exactly can they do? Vote in a corporate party bozo from the "other" team?
I didn't say you could prosecute the President. He's above the law--this has been demonstrated many times over the past 30 years.
You can hold him responsible for his policies and the actions of his administration. It's a personal thing.
Obviously, some folks don't think he has responsibility for anything, so I guess it's just a difference of opinion.
blunderdog wrote:
"Fighting the commies in Afghanistan was a major Reagan administration objective. It was not happening until specific decisions were made to start arming the mujahadeen."
Not that it matters a whit, but I'm fairly certain that started with the Zbig/Jimmy Carter bunch...Reagan and Charlie Wilson ramped it up considerably though.
from: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html
Interesting to hear, hard to find any confirmation.
What would you consider an unimpeachable source? There's plenty of varied sources that confirm this...Search Operation Cyclone, Soviet Union, Afghanistan.
http://www.ask.com/web?o=20010&l=dis&gct=&gc=&q=Operation%20Cyclone,%20S...
Here's a quote from here:
Undergraduate Research Journal at UCCS
Volume 3.2, October 2010
Operation Cyclone: How the United States Defeated the Soviet Union
Robert D. Billard, Jr. University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
http://ojs.uccs.edu/index.php/urj/article/download/103/91
btw Operation Cyclone was the CIA's baby...
That's the same source, tho--this is Brzezinski talking about it years later.
It's fine though, I'll accept it at face value that Carter actually started arming the Mujahedeen, it doesn't change much. The Reagan administration made significant noise about aiding the various causes of "freedom" around the globe, and I was reading interviews with the fighters themselves at the time thanking Reagan for his committment to their cause. (I was a big Soldier of Fortune fan back then.)
The Taliban was armed and trained by the Reagan administration for years during the Afghanistan occupation. That's how they ended up in power.
"it doesn't change much. "
Exactly. (D) or (R) don't mean squat...except maybe for some insignificant cosmetic matters in view of the larger picture.
Zbig hung around after Carter sort of like SecDef Robert Gates did after Bush lite. The real fun in that area of the world started with what became known as Iran Contra which as far as I'm concerned we've yet to know the full story. Same ol shit, different day, continues in the present.
"aiding the various causes of "freedom" around the globe"
War is a profit center...with debt from financing war/arms sales(all sides) being the largest chunk of that profit. Guess who benefits the most from that.
'Fighting for Freedom' my ass...
Er...my comments are nonpartisan. I do however believe that sometimes Presidents and their administrations actually DO STUFF.
They *all* deserve to have their activities remembered.
that should of been interest on the debt from financing war...
"They *all* deserve to have their activities remembered."
I'll drink to that!
We're always fighting someone. Can't shirk the target practice when the military is the only thing backing your currency. Gotta always keep a potential enemy on a back burner.
...and of course, this was slipped in, waaaaay back in 2009....
from the Arab in Chief...
http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488
H.R. 1388 was passed, behind our backs. You may want to read about it...
It wasn't mentioned on the news... Just went by on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.
Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA . This is the news that did not, and will not, make the headlines.
By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20..3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and "conflict victims" in Gaza
The "presidential determination" (ain't that nice?) which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States , was signed and appears in the Federal Register.
Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing, transportation and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.
Now we learn that he is allowing thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.
Wow! A whole 20 million, eh.
Meanwhile last week Israel comes to town to receive almost a Billion in new aid...over and above the 3 Billion a year(what's admitted) they already receive.
from: http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/blog/2012/05/us-commits-to-increased-i...
But that's ok, right?
Great point! What most Americans also have missed is that USA has taken sides in the Middle Eastern Muslim question. This is a long story, but in short. The USA backed Sunni against Shia in Iraq in order to bring the Sunni resistance to an ened. This was done by producing events which started a civil war between Shia and Sunni, Sunni were losing. The USA stepped up and offered money, arms, training and support to Sunnia Iraq [our former enemy]. It worked like a charm! Sunni waragainst USA ended double quick.
The US now uses the same tactic in other nations. USA back sunni terror groups attacking Iran. USA backs sunni terror groups attacking Syria. They also back conventional sunni resistance to Shia regimes, but they also work with the terrorists.
So YES, we worked with the Muslim terror groups to defeat Soviet Occupation In Afghanistan. We also use the same groups for regime change in the Mid East.
I also know from reading the Russian press that many Russians, including leaders, believe that the USA is supporting muslim terror attacks inside Russia and in the civil wars of the far south of Russia near the Caspian.
Look, terror is only terror when it is directed at you. Directed at opponents to the New World Order, terror is a very, very useful and productive tool. When I was a child, I remember hearing of terror attacks inside Cuba, these were funded and launched from US soil. To the Americans at that time, this was not terrorism, it was a way to fight cummunism. It is all relative.
....and Sunni Albanians against Serbian Christians in Kosovo.
Yes, thanks for the reminder. I always wonder at the US official support for Muslims against Christians. Read up on Kosovo, USA backed a gang of the worst criminals Europe has to offer. I've seen these Ablanian pricks in the UK, they immigrated there to start a crime wave. This is who America backs! How come?
Because Clinton needed a big, fat, diversion from his Lewinsky fiasco. The day impeachment procedings began he began the bombing. Presidents have always used wars to suit their agendas.
Because Saudi Arabia, our biggest oil supplier is Sunni-Wahabi. That's why. When non-Sunnis trample Sunnis (as in Syria), we support the underdog. When Sunnis trample non-Sunnis (as in Bahrain), we support establishment. Anyways, US is not the only one who changes it's tune to serve its interests. Whole world is just as amoral.
That's correct, but it's just a matter of luck.
No one cares about the Sunni/Shi'ia split except the religious folks themselves. It's immaterial to policy objectives. It's not like we had a problem with the Shi'ites during the Shah's rule in Iran, and we were generally friendly with the Saudis then, too, despite the occasional kerfluffle.
If we're at war with Iran before the election - Obama get's re-elected
No one would want a Govt change in the middle of a war
Perhaps Obama will save this as his ace in the hole in case the market tanks.
That's not a safe assumption. Wayyyy too many of Obama's voters had chosen him because they thought he was anti-war.
Unless a huge bunch of folks suddenly decide to support him after years of hating him, starting a new war could severely harm his re-election chance.
I'm curious why no one else has noticed this. It's almost as if there is an agenda to actively promote fundamentalist Islam. Or something.
I think your dead on, and your not the only one who has been watching this play out. People still do not get it, BLOOD, and FANATICAL RELIGION, are thicker, and far more important than LOYALTY to your supposed HOMELAND.
Both of which are INGRAINED in you know who.
Sssshhhh.. After the election. Then he won't care about re-election and he can pay back his draw he owes to the military industrial complex
I remember reading on this site months ago that an attack was "emminent" or at most a few weeks away. What happened?
I don't know what the strategery is, an attack on Iran has been been said to be emminent for 3 years. It's like a hypnotist saying "we are going to attack Iran" to an audience over and over.
that an attack was "emminent" or at most a few weeks away. What happened?
If you see a punch coming, you duck.Threats of a punch,keep you always wondering.............and semi ducking.
Surprise is always your friend in war(as long as you are the one that has the element of it)
Iran, has no clue when they will get hit,they will get hit..............just no idea when.
And if they are going to, the last one to know when is our so called leader.
They will get hit and hard.
The Military likes to get em where it HURTS.
But I think we are not so stupid as to try and fight our way across Iran... just the mountain passes alone will be a murder hole.
Agendas change. War is convenient.
Enterprise now in position for false flag... hmm?
Roger that.
All those Carriers and LHDs in home port tell me they are preparing for a LOT of extended operations and running maintenance checks on the fleet before deploying.
Roger that too.
USS Miami will sit this one out.
I was stationed in Pearl on a fast boat.
Great story. My favorite part was the ending.
Space fires are common during Yard Periods. If the Firewatch is doing his/her job the fire will not get out of control.
http://youtu.be/yP_9GHPMCd8
the smell of war is in the air.
CVN 72 = 7+2 = 9
CVN 65 = 6+5 =11
so 9/11 aka sacred numbers of the Oligarchs, meaning they're leaving their calling card.
So 100s of thousands of people get to die, on their whim.
Will somebody arrest them NOW?!
I tried but they said, "Go Away." People say that a lot to me.
You pound the shark on the nose and sometimes they go away and sometimes they don't go away.
Till those black eyes rollover white...and then you hear the terrible high-pitched screaming...
Not happening. If it does, there is no way it's before the elections.
If Russia and/or China are drawn into the war there will be no elections and there is a very good chance of that happening, Obama will declare an emergency powers act, institute NDAA, NDRP, and bye bye elections. If not Obama is expendable just like the rest of us.
Israel needs to be stopped, sanctioned, made to have IAEA inspections at Dimona and forced to sign the NPT. Brics and NAMs need to unify on this message and bring it to the UN and force it down their throat, fuck what the media says. They are the only country with ICBMs and hundreds of thermonuclear weapons not on the NPT and they are a serious threat to humanity. The US needs to get behind Ron Paul to reign in the US military and kick AIPAC out of the damn country.
I don't care how many downvotes I get THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID.
Can't see many down votes there buddy ;-)
Israel, India, and Pakistan never signed the nonproliferation treaty.
North Korea signed but withdrew. Also broke it before withdrawing.
Iran, Iraq, Syria all signed and all broke it.
Do all of the above merit the same attention? if not why not?
They all require the same attention but only Israel requires URGENT action.
and I quote "They are the only country with ICBMs and hundreds of thermonuclear weapons not on the NPT..." none of the other countries you mentioned have plutonium based tritium boosted thermonuclear weapons nor do they have dozens of ICBM's ready to fire at a moments notice.
Obama is and always was target number one because he has the football.
Same with all presidents since the dawn of the Atomic Age.
Some old Cold War Plans show a truly aclopytic strike coming after President is taken out by a near shore missile that only requires a few minutes to get close enough to do the job, collateral be damned.
What would be left is the old Take Charge and Move out planes or the modern equivalent as the inbound missiles shed the warhead busses and fall away to burn up into the atmosphere.
We be playing with da big boyz now... no more turkey shoots.
Isreal is just another Illumninati puppet, just like us. They need to ARREST the Oligarchs doing this.
The Oligarchs are above the law, sovereignty and work in the shadows, the best way is grassroots political activism, civil disobedience, an intelligent media (thank you Tyler) and force them from the shadows into the light. We are making slow progress on this front but we are gaining traction. I bet unique visitors to ZH has steadily climbed in the last 2 years to counts even Tyler never imagined. If all else fails we sharpen up the guillotines and ready the gallows.
Bingo!
People are starting to give up on whacking the branches and are instead, going for the roots of evil itself.
But how do you go after The Unseen Hand?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9647831/Epperson-The-Unseen-Hand-An-Introducti...
Everyone knows that the rottenchilds created isreal for the final solution. That is why they have those weapons of mass destruction pointed at the world. By deception they make war. And by blackmail, they get whatever they want. After suckling the teet of the rothschilds/bankster/satanic moneychanger globalist warmongers for profits and plunder, they may implement the banksters final plan for population reduction.
Who creates the sides and pits them against each other and then comes in to clean up and control the mess?
Those who create the puppets that implement the warlords plans.
Has anyone ever pondered about all the ways humanity is being killed off slowly?
And...what is UP with that Sun anyways?
Hate to say it, the time for treaty talk is long gone - treaties are made to be broken, and serve only as useful smokescreens for powers angling for advantage...in the world of realpolitik that is...
and the UN is[and evermore will be] nothing more than an appendage of the moneypower.
Though your stated goal is admirable, the only way that the sionist entity will be stopped is through it's complete termination as an international player. That will occur when the vise grip of the moneychangers upon the throats of Euromerikan nations is loosened...a small taste of which process is now being presaged with the teetering of JPM on the edge of their appointment with gravity.
It's exactly at that moment, with the Golem beginning to realize it is in it's death throes, that the world will be in the most danger...as, like the Balrog in the Mines of Moria, it will, in it's terminal thrashings, attempt to take all of us down to hell with it. We're almost there now.
I disagree to some points, yes the UN is a tool of the money power but both Russia and China by veto'ing the security council blocked NATO from air strikes in Syria and used that tool against them. We can engage in these institutions on all levels and fight back. We can take control slowly but surely it is not impossible it just takes determination, honour and willpower.
Yes Paul,
The mass mind is waking...in a quickening way.
Latest example is CNN going down the tubes and networks like Republic Broadcasting having shows that are getting more and more listeners every day. People know and feel the truth and are rejecting the propaganda mind control digital TV for what it is. The same old garbage!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OVgYCMjr8c&feature=youtu.be
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20120401...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38
Everyone must and should continue to shine the Light on the cockroaches in the corner that have been mainly responsible for destroying the world, and peoples happy lifestyles. It makes it hard for them to pull off their evil deeds with that element of surprise when everyone is focused on the corruptions and crimes of these profiteers of war.
We are in a race to see who will win the war against ignorance. Will it be mankind, or a few oligarchs in a cave some where? It is one the major factors that is a real kicker to the next move from those money-changing babylonians. We understand and know well the patterns of evil and wickedness to gain power and control over the nations. In this spiritual war, more and more see the same mundane plays, and see all to easily the potentials of these horrid/satanic/murderous/killers of defenseless babies and women.
The good news is, there are great and mighty forces at work behind the etheric scenes that all function under the Laws of this Universe from which there is NO escape from. What goes up, must come down. It is only a matter of time before we see some sort of contrived distraction to once again change the course of history in maybe a not so good way. What is obvious, and especially true with the modern youth is, everyone will know who and why it was done and more and more are getting on the bandwagon to head down to the hanging tree...it must be watered.
Babylon trembles in the face of Truth and real Justice wielded by that Double-edged Sword.
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Definitely think it's a strategy that may be used
All too true Paul!
Israel, whatever you think of them, is to my knowledge the only nation to openly threaten to nuke the entire Arab Middle East, Pakistan and to take out major European cities across the board. This under their defense doctrine that goes under several names. But the just of it is, and this is a quote from Isreali officials, "If we go down, we take everybody with us this time."
This may be hard for Europeans to grasp, but their major cities are targetd by Israeli nuclear weapons, and many of these nukes are in survivable systems that can live through a first strike on Israel. Being small, I can understand the need for sea based systems. WHAT I don not understand is the need for Israel to field many hundreds of large bombs! Only if they plan widescale strikes across the Mid East and Europe do that mnay bombs make a bit of sense.
Think about it! Why so many? The ONLY explaination is their "take everybody down" military policy.
Does Iran have hundres of nuclear weapons targeted across the Mid East and Europe? Heck, Israel may even target China for all I know. They have the warheads to spare to take out 25 major Chinese cities without hurting their surplus of nuclear warheads.
Thanks Jack
Israels ICBM the Jericho III gives Israel nuclear strike capabilities within the entire Middle East, Africa, Europe, Asia and almost all parts of North America, as well as within large parts of South America and North Oceania.
Israels ICBM the Jericho III gives Israel nuclear strike capabilities within the entire Middle East, Africa, Europe, Asia and almost all parts of North America, as well as within large parts of South America and North Oceania.
So does China, thanks to Bill Clitton.
Israel better watch which way the wind is blowing prior to taking just anybody out.
wind is not on their watch list when they go for taking anybody out.
it will be hell on earth...little do they know we are all on it already, since Trinity.
"WHAT I don not understand is the need for Israel to field many hundreds of large bombs! Only if they plan widescale strikes across the Mid East and Europe do that mnay bombs make a bit of sense."
All so well put Jack.
If the end game is a total population reduction agenda, everything falls into place on the upside down pyramid scale.
The bankster empire that calls money god has long progressed towards the total annihilation of 99% of humanity. Ref: The Georgia Stones.
Isreal is only a puppet for those who push the buttons to blackmail the world with these evil weapons.
What a great news story it would be if we heard one day on cnn/fox propaganda mind control channels that our Special Forces and Seal Teams took the control of all these rouge weapons of mass destruction away from the isrealli-terrorists in the never ending war on terror. That...is something the soterobama could crow about aye? What a way to save the country. Saving all that money, blood, and treasure of America and the World. Stop the pro-generators of war, and it all stops. Easy!
Israel may say what they want but it's Pakistan who's going to destroy this world. Please give credit where it's due.
US, Russia, China all have thousands of nukes. Why single out Israel?
I do not have an answer to why single out Israel, bahaar, but true to what you say about thousands of nukes (and UK, France, India, Scandanavian, and perhaps even Japan).
So it is irrelevant who has and how many...when it started, no where is safe and we have nowhere to move-on to afterwards.
It may need to be said, but happening? Doubtful.
1) You want to talk about civil unrest? NON-black people outnumber blacks here 10 to 1 for starters. There'd be some really pissed off people in this country, and Obama knows this. FUCK the NDAA and all that crap. They don't have the forces to quell any sort of uprising - let alone these FEMA camps everyone talks about.
Remember - this is the government we're talking about here. They fuck most everything up. And, there many more of them than any standing army, or Obama truth douchedicks.
2) Obama would be cast as a VILLAIN - and his own hubris would never allow it.
3) Israel may attack Iran - but when NOBODY EXPECTS IT, OR EVEN THINKS IT.
My personal belief? They won't do it in the way everybody thinks they will - if they do.
Israelis aren't stupid - gotta give them that.
Lastly, Israel knows all that you mentioned. They HATE Obama - why would they want his ass in the oval office one more day?
I can't think of a reason......not one.
Wars start when they start.
Gulf War 1, 17 Jan 1991
Iraq, 20 March 2003
Kosovo, 24 March 1999 (NATO public involvement).
Quite frankly, I tend to think the start of wars distract people from things like, hmmm., the economy.
Anytime after 11/06/12 would be just fine with the POTUS.
Potus is not in a position to make the call now.
Iran has provoked and poked the Circus Lion in the cage plenty of times to buy time quietly making the shit.
Now...
Israel has gone quiet.
I don't know anything and will find out with the rest of you shortly after the first strikes are completed.
At that point we will swing into our drill.
Unless Obama is afraid of losing.
War in Middle East will start when someone threatens the House of Saud and the whole Petrodollar arrangement.
But yes, one way or another, the great cull is coming.
the death president will bring us another war soon enough...
www.obamacrimes.com
Tyler, THANK YOU for keeping this story in our collective consciousness. Most people have short-term memories and forget that war with Iran is INEVITABLE for a multitude of reasons.
War with Iran--if Obama's popularity lags before the election, he will not hesitate to pull the Iran war card out of the hat. This is Jimmy Carter 101.
With Iran or with whoever... that does not matter, just pretexts.
War creates war zones. War zones need reconstruciton. Reconstruction needs funding. Funding needs aid. Aid needs US DOLLAAAHHS!
And US DOLLAHS needs printing to keep them going. Thats all you need to know.
"our collective consciousness"
that pretty well tells us what this warmonger is and where he's coming from. Go die for Israel if that's what floats your boat.
Just leave the rest of us the f*ck out of your sick little dream. We choose Life.
It's not a dream my friend. It's reality. You are the one that needs to wake up from your dream of daisy fields and world peace. Read some history books when you get a chance and please do us all a favor and grow up.
You obviosly have no idea who you're talking to. ABR will eat you up on history pal.
BTW, I think you missed his point.
No. I think you both missed my point. I am not a warmongerer nor am I an Israeli sympathizer. Wars have been fought for thousands of years over limited resources. Iran will be no different.
"Most people have short-term memories and forget that war with Iran is INEVITABLE for a multitude of treasons."
Fixed that for you...
You're right, that is another way of putting it. Thank you sir.
that's no moon...it's an israeli air strike!
Today, we are 13 % into the new moon.
The next new moon window of a apartheid isrealli murderous warmongering activity opportunity could be around June 19th, 2012.
After that it might be around July 18, 2012.
Shine the light and prepare folks.
War with Iran means war with Russia. Not gonna happen.
Da! Pootsie has Benny Nets on a short leash with choke collar
I doubt it at this point. I've heard the same thing with China too. These guys will pick and choose their time. It's all chess my friend. Anyway, Russia has more interest in Syria. They even have a port there that they have been dredging so that Russian aircraft carriers can use it. Interesting that with all the deaths reported about Syria, the UN or NATO aren't doing much.
well, russians do not have aircraft carriers, for starters.... but everything else in your post is correct.
What little the Russians can float down Syria way can easikly be dispatched.
They might get a hit in here and there on the way to the bottom.
Great plan! I foresee no negative repercussions. Carry on.
They still have 1 functioning per Wikipedia.
China would have some legitimate cause for annoyance, too.
Yes because Russia is so fucking happy about the European missile shield, which went online on May 20 2012. Talk about proding a bear while it sleeps.
+100 MrPoopypants
war is assured, but where will it start?
there are so many possibilities right now...Iran might be the obvious choice but let's not forget...
China and the Philippines, with their dispute over the islands is heating up, with both sides becoming more aggressive.
their seems to be a three way simmering with North Korea, South Korea and now Japan.
Thailand and China are halving maritime/ natural resource issues.
India and Pakistan are pretty always on the edge of throwing down.
Europe is fracturing again under a worsing economic crises, when has that not ended in a world war?
Russia just tested a new missile that can penetrate the MDS being set up by NATO in Europe, which they have stated repeatedly they will not allow to go operational.
so I guess it's take your pick...
Theyre desperate for war, they just have no idea how to start it because the people are onto their games now.
yes, anytime you go sell oil with gold against the petro dollar you are crusin' for a brusin'...from the boyz behind the curtain, and they can't say Bush did this one but they will try it anyway.
...something tells me that the next war will be S.W.I.F.T.-ly executed...any updates on it?...anyone?
Sorry but I don't see it. Of the five Atlantic CVN's three are in their home port. Of the six Pacific CVN's, five are in their home ports as well. So of the eleven we have, 8 are at home and this is a war time footing? No way. Now if we see five of those eight hit the open seas and wander towards the ME, then you might be onto something. Two in theater isn't much when you are talking about taking on Iran and securing the gulf at the same time. In Desert Storm we had six, four in gulf and two in the red sea. Of course there was no suprise attack involved at all, but we rarely leave things to chance and to be honest the US really doesn't need to element of surprise when dealing with Iran. Nice to have, but required? I think not.
I have pointed out the CVN situation several times. Clearing the Straits of Hormuz from an Iranian blockade and defending oil tankers through the straits is no simple task. With 3 CVNs and land-based aircraft, it would take, at the very least, 4 months to clear the straits and have a reasonable chance to escort tankers through without a tanker getting hit by a torpedo, mine, surface-to-sea missile, coastal battery, ship-to-ship missile, or fast surface attack craft. That is 4 months without oil shipping from the Gulf.
All of this, of course, assumes, that the Iranians do not surprise the Americans and sink a CVN or 2 with a missile or torpedo hit-- a likelihood which is quite possible. In fact, computer simulations of such a battle tend to indicate that the U.S. fleet would suffer CVN losses in such an engagement.
If I am gonna fight Iran and keep that Gulf Open, I am going to leave a carrier or two near China, Another in the Atlantic and med.
The rest that can sail go to the Gulf.
It would not be the only asset to worry about, there be Spirits in a number of places that have been... hot fueling a time or two.
Uh, you kind of need two carriers in WestPac, at least, because you have to assume that if we get bogged down with the Iranians the Chinese will take this opporutnity to settle all the old accounts with the Filipinos.
I can't see us getting out of a scrum in the Gulf without losing a CVN. We haven't lost one since the Franklin (iirc), a regular CV went down off Okinawa in 1945. The old Enterprise (CV-6) came damn near close to getting taken out by a Special Attack plane during the Okinawa campaign when its pilot dove right into the forward compartment and blew the forward elevator over 100 feet into the air. These are high value platforms and really should be sent nowhere near the Gulf itself.
Losing a carrier and 5000 sons and daughters will rile the US People to no end. It will be no different than say taking out Mayberry.
Before you go to war the first thing you do is run maintenance checks on your entire fleet. All those Carriers and LHDs in home port tell me they are preparing for a LOT of extended operations.
This isn't war, this is the strategic step before war. I wouldnt be surprised to hear Marines and soldiers anecdotes on having to run a shitload of preventative maintenance right about now. I'd bet MCLB Albany and Barstowe are also busy as hell right now.
We're also paying an enormous downrange price for our escapades in Iraq and Afghanistan, which have left our navy reduced in ships and our air force reduced in aircraft. Fewer ships, longer rotations.
I said thru this whole winter of sabre rattling that it was all just diversions from people who are out of ideas...look real busy and rattle those sabres and get everyone lookin 'over there' while the real war rages on behind the scenes.
Resign. End the ponzi. Reboot America 2.012.
Nahhhhh!!!!
After you hear Middle East War talk for generations you get kinda bored actually. Nudge me when it happens.
Get out of Iraq, get out of Afghanistan, get out of the Mid East, get out of Europe, get out of Japan, get out of Australia.
"Get out of Iraq, get out of Afghanistan, get out of the Mid East, get out of Europe, get out of Japan, get out of Australia"
I dont think you have got your head around the whole empire thing yet...a fleet as big as that is not designed with defense in mind.
Mothball that shit. Let me know when the Muslim/Chinese invasion fleet hits the beach.
Why does this possibility sound so plausible?
The beach, both northern and southern western borders, and from within like red ants on the poor intruder that made the sad mistake of running in to he hordes of red devouring full auto reposessors of what they think they now own.
History will reflect that there was narry a christian left world wide. They got that rapture they all wanted so badly. God punished them because they did nothing to stop the madness of babylons minions run amok.
Anyone stupid enough to nuke anyone else over there will get hell to pay from their neighbors bearing the brunt of the fallout. Check out the prevailing winds and the neighbors. So fuhgettaboutit. But the politicos love to play with the thought of it all as a manipulation tool, and they haul it out to their agendas re whatever. Gets the sheeple's undies all in a twist with regularity. Natch, if Obama is forced to get himself reelected as a "sitting war-time pres.", I've no doubt he'll play that card.
There has been two carrier groups and a marine carrier present in the area for years now. No change...