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And Now Back To The Real News: Saudi Arabia Blasts Iran, Verbally For Now

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Ignore Slovakia: everyone has a price. This is the real news:


And logically:


And now Hil joins in, via AP:

An alleged Iranian plot to hire Mexican drug cartel killers to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States on American soil "crosses a line" in Iran's state sponsorship of terrorism and will further isolate the Islamic republic, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday.


"This really, in the minds of many diplomats and government officials, crosses a line that Iran needs to be held to account for," Clinton told The Associated Press in an interview. She said the plot - it allegedly involved Iranian government agents trying to contract a Mexican cartel to kill Saudi Ambassador Adel Al-Jubeir - was stranger than fiction.


"The idea that they would attempt to go to a Mexican drug cartel to solicit murder-for-hire to kill the Saudi ambassador, nobody could make that up, right?" she said in a nearly hour-long, wide-ranging interview with AP reporters and editors.


Speaking shortly after the Justice Department announced the uncovering of the alleged plot, Clinton said the scheme "creates a potential for international reaction that will further isolate Iran, that will raise questions about what they're up to, not only in the United States and Mexico."


She said both she and President Barack Obama were calling world leaders to inform them of the developments.


"We are actively engaged in a very concerted diplomatic outreach to many capitals, to the U.N. in New York, to not only to explain what happened so we can try to pre-empt any efforts by Iran to be successful in what would be their denial and their efforts to try to deflect responsibility but so that we also enlist more countries in working together against what is becoming a clearer and clearer threat" from Iran, Clinton said.


"We want to reassure our friends that the complaints against Iran are well-founded," she said.


As she spoke, Alizreza Miryusefi, the press attache at Iran's mission to the United Nations, said the accusation was "totally baseless" and that a full statement would be issued shortly.

Take home: Talk is cheap but Brent here is even
... Either way, it is a win win for Saudi which needs crude to go up, up, up.


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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:42 | 1762657 GeneMarchbanks
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Just got real-er.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:45 | 1762671 Fukushima Sam
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Wow, if we go to war fast enough we may just contain this economic crisis, at least for a while longer!  Great news!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:48 | 1762694 Troll Magnet
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bullish for popcorn, that's for sure.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:56 | 1762735 dwdollar
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Saudi Arabia needs their own 9/11 to rally the sheep.  The riots have been intensifying.  Didn't they have to rain down bullets on a crowd a few days ago?  What I'm confused about is why the US and Saudi Arabia didn't allow this to happen (if it's real)...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:00 | 1762774 Herd Redirectio...
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This is complete military intelligence at work.  Like Iran said, pre-fabricated, impossible to disprove.  And really, the drug kingpins are tight with Wall St banks, and have been for decades.  Its a little late to pretend they are cozy with terrorists, no?

Remember the Gulf of Tonkin, any one?

Check out the latest from the Capital Research Institute "Jubilee, An Idea Whose Time Has Come":

Could debt forgiveness kickstart America’s economy?  The answer is yes.  It is something the Capital Research Institute has previously suggested.  As suggested in the article, on its own it is not enough.  But it is a crucial step in the right direction.

Now, many people are weary of debt-forgiveness because it reminds them of the government bailouts, that it is stealing from those who lent their hard-earned savings to others.  Superficially, it is a legitimate comparison, but it does not hold up.  For one, while the bailouts helped a small group, financial institutions that by and large serve as a proxy for the richest segment of society, a jubilee would be universal.  Secondly, while the bailouts created moral hazard (the expectation that TBTF were bailed out once, so management doesn’t care if they go bankrupt again, they will be bailed out no matter what) Jubilee would be established under absolute terms, it will only happen once every 50 or 70 years.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:05 | 1762806 CosmicBuddha
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Debt forgiveness is called bankruptcy. This option has always been available.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:12 | 1762847 Herd Redirectio...
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Its just a little more formal, and kind of takes care of all of it in one go, and there is much less messy legal proceedings.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:42 | 1762996 john39
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we need more.  the usury system and its practitioners need to be dealt with and disposed of.   Jubilee is not enough.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:52 | 1763035 johnQpublic
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how did this thread get hijacked  over to debt forgiveness?


iranian hi-jackers i presume?


everyone will truly believe this story and be concerned for real when iran invades our shores spreading muslimia and sharia law bitchez


do i say sarc/off now?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:48 | 1763202 James T. Kirk
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Hey John Q - Look closely - it got hijacked by Herd Redirection. How sublime. I tried putting the ship on Red Alert to get it back on course, but all the red lightbulbs on the bridge are burned out from over-use.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:33 | 1763436 knukles
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Turn all the FEMA camps into Debtors Prisons.
I want a fucking refund on everything I've ever paid off.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:43 | 1763927 StychoKiller
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Back on track:  The Persians and Arabs have been stabbing each other in the back for millenia, why should anyone be surprised at this? 

OT:  would you be willing to beam up a shipment of red-painted flourescents to yer ship?  Au or Ag in payment, please -- none of that replicated Federation credits stuff!  On second thought, Gold-pressed latinum is acceptable too.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:16 | 1764439 Mr. Lucky
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Vall is good.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:19 | 1762877 mfoste1
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yea well unfortunately student debt isnt discharged in bankruptcy. There is more student debt in Amerika than credit card debt so you figure it really want to get the ekonomy going? give younger generations disposable income to spend. Cause we know Amerikan youth LOVE to spend money.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:33 | 1762959 traderjoe
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Debt jubilee and bankruptcy are different. In a bankruptcy, the assets are used to 'satisfy' the lenders. In a jubilee, the debts are wiped clean and the borrowers keep the assets. 

The privately-held fractional reserve banking/money creation scheme is destined to collapse - but in the meantime, commercial banks create money out of thin air and receive collateral and a 'down-payment' in return. As long as that system runs, the banks will continue to collect the productive assets through default, even though they provided no 'consideration' themselves.  

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:37 | 1762970 DoChenRollingBearing
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Jubilee...  That word keeps coming around...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:53 | 1763043 Herd Redirectio...
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Its gaining traction, its already a subconscious meme, and its momentum is basically unstoppable.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:56 | 1763055 johnQpublic
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imagine the party the plebes will have when it does come around


reminder to self: run up tab at liquor store in preparation for jubilee

get snacks

question: will my dealer forgive the 300 bucks i owe him for weed?


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:30 | 1763170 Herd Redirectio...
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Probably all new loans will have to be banned for a year just to keep people from being over-exuberant.

The only financial or economic theory I hold dear is called "Trial and Error" and our current trial, the fiat fractional reserve system, yeah, it has failed.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:43 | 1763003 J 457
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Debt forgiveness for deabbeats is not the answer.  Put them to work rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges and bringing broadband to the corners of the country.  Yes, I know we already tried that, but last time they forgot to put the unemployed to work and instead just gave them free hand-outs for two yeras.  Isn't that kind of like indirect debt foregiveness for them and adding to the 15 trillion debt for me.  This time will be different...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:02 | 1763080 Breaker
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"Put them to work rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges and bringing broadband to the corners of the country."

Never happen. The unions would scream worse than they did in Wisconsin.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:35 | 1763179 See in the pink
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"Debt forgiveness for deabbeats is not the answer."

Of course it isn't; otherwise, the oligarchs' plans to enslave the nation [by stealing its wealth and leaving everyone else saddled with insane debt] won't come to pass... and we certainly can't have that!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:02 | 1764012 Bring the Gold
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Riiight, like the deadbeats that were handily paying their mortgage for 10 years and suddenly lost their job when the CEO of their company under pressure from majority shareholder JP Morgan finally shipped the last factory jobs over to China. 

Yeah we definitely need to protect the bankers in their plan to secure all assets. I assume you are already giving yours freely to them? Oh your not? Oh you're special somehow and they won't come for YOUR assets. Welcome to the real world jack ass. Your fat bloated ass is the next in line to get reamed by these Apex Predators. 

The only deadbeats that need to be in chains making roads are working at the Central and Investment banks world wide. Those guys have never done an honest day's work in their lives all they do is confiscate wealth with money created from nothing and you defend their system. Disgusting.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:22 | 1764554 chindit13
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Jubilee=Nationalized Moral Hazard

Before the cheering stops on the first one, the seeds of the second one will be planted.  Once everyone knows the rules, everyone will play the game.  Next time will be even worse, because NOBODY will be so stupid as to practice self-restraint and personal responsibility.

Why is anyone so naive to believe that the average person would behave any differently from the bankers who know their gains are private but their losses public?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:44 | 1763004 Spirit Of Truth
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Global thermonuclear war cancels almost all debts.

We are now in the seasonal window I've been warning about is conducive to World War Three:

I just emailed Prechter the following info:

Full moon is tonight. Again, between the full moon and new moon in the 7th lunar month has seen some of the largest panics in history.  Market internals and the wave count suggest Oct. 4th was a major low and a multi-week rally is underway, but seasonality is still what I'm watching since this is a predominant force in mass mood swings IMHO.

For the record:

1962 oct 13/28 (full/new moon) From - October 14, 1962 A U-2 flying over western Cuba discovers missile sites. Photographs obtained by this flight provide hard evidence that Soviets have missiles in Cuba. October 24, 1962 Soviet ships en route to Cuba with questionable cargo either slow down or reverse their course except for one. Military forces go to DEFCON 2 the highest ever in U.S. history. 1973 oct 11/26 From - Oct. 11 - Israel attacks Syria from its positions on the Golan Heights. The Soviet Union's ambassador to the United States, Anatoly Dobrynin, tells U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger that Soviet airborne forces are on the alert to defend Damascus. Kissinger warns Dobrynin that if the Soviets send troops to the Middle East, the United States would as well. Oct. 24 - A second cease-fire is put into effect, but fighting continues between Egypt and Israel. As a result, the Soviet Union threatens the United States that it will send troops to support the Egyptians. The United States puts its nuclear forces on a higher alert. The Soviet Union withdraws its threat the following day. 2011 oct 11/26 ?????

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:00 | 1763071 J 457
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Do you think we can panic before opex next Friday?  I have some out of money puts...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:31 | 1763174 Herd Redirectio...
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LOL, nice one.  I would buy some TSX goldmining equity calls (SA, NSU, Primero) personally...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:55 | 1763501 msamour
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2011 Oct 11/26: Aliens invade the earth! they find some redneck guy and tell him Take me to your Leader! The redneck guy from NC brings the aliens over to the NASCAR racetrack, and points towards the NASCAR officials. Aliens leave in disgust. Crisis averted!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:44 | 1763006 Canaduh
Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:39 | 1762913 SDRII
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Setup for coordinated strikes in Syria and Iran accompanied by the Gilad Shalit release deal w/ Hamas. Egyptian riots provide cover for military crackdown into any action (Saudi funding). Turkey dragged along with the PR coup of taking out Assad who reportedly killed the Kurdish leader over the weekend (notwithstanding rumors of agitators involved). The Iranian elections coming in March 2012 and early returns between two other hardline factions. In the past few days iran has offered to halt enrichment and undertake Russian plan?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:09 | 1764545 Yamaha
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Also Bullish for Obama face toilet paper! It is a great buy.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:57 | 1762756 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Fukushima

I wonder when the war will start.  And how.  Let Israel do the dirty deed for a few $bns...?  Or would the tail wag the dog?

Agree with nearby poster who said Eric Holder is mostly interested in covering up "Fast and Furious", this sure did come along at a convenient time for HIM.  F & F now responsible for 200 deaths.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:32 | 1763176 FatFingered
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Also, Jim Rickards told us Sunday, on KWN, that during his recent visit to the ME our Arab Allies are only concerned about one thing.  And that was Iran's muscle flexing in the region.  They told him that Iran has to go sooner or later.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:16 | 1764285 Fukushima Sam
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War is inevitable, but the timing certainly is not.  We have coincident major events all coming to a head at the same time: ecological overshoot, debt crisis, peak oil, fourth turning.  The question is, will "they" be able to wage war overseas while "we" hound them like dogs here at home?

We are in a dangerous place.  The Federal government has started to lose the trust of the people.  This is a situation that cannot continue, one way or another.

Will this generational crisis show us turning inward to re-evaluate what it is to be American?  Or will we focus our fears outward and wage global war?  Either way it seems the result will be war of some sort.  Perhaps we are already in the first battles and here at ZH we are the first wave of foot-soldiers, typing instead of shooting.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:46 | 1763011 dr.charlemagne
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Yup, first waves of the false flag. Bankers love a good war.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:27 | 1763402 nyse
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Might go ahead and lock-in Bam-Bam's 2nd term to boot!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:51 | 1762719 SilverRhino
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I wonder what scandal TPTB are trying to distract us from this time?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:39 | 1762975 narnia
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I'm sure it's just coincidence this story was released yesterday:

This "plot" started right after the press got the first whiff of Fast & Furious and involves all the same parties.  This is obviously a diversion.  Throw out an unsubstantiated lie, build a monster case upon that lie, then do what you want to do based on that lie before the lie is exposed.  Iraq part deux.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:40 | 1763661 Problem Is
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Nice... Hag-Ball Hillary has bigger gonads than Bullshit Barry Soetoro...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:22 | 1763141 The4thStooge
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Fast&Furious and Solyndra. Eric Holder and Obama whitehouse are desperate.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:07 | 1764027 Bicycle Repairman
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Total desperation.  Obama and crew simply trying to save their necks.  There is nothing more to it.  Time to tee up the whole Nixon playbook from the Watergate era.  This time Hillary is on the other side.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:01 | 1763286 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Interesting coincidence to see this on Ransquawk:

Saudi King to undergo operation in coming days - state news agency

So, maybe he won't make it? Any succession issues that would need a coverup somewhere else?




Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:12 | 1762843 Ruffcut
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Shit hitting the fan in this space is always serious.

Fuck the gold price showing collapse. Oil is the biggest economic control valve, on the planet. It is the ultimate X factor.

I hedge uso, all the time with lotto ticket calls. I am up a little after two years from the egypt uprising this winter.

Fuck go 5 dollar gas and you will see the pain creep in quickly. Oil is the commodity that runs the world.  If you have things to protect, then hedge accordingly

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:03 | 1762998 CrashisOptimistic
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You, sir, are 80% of the way there.

Now add in the realities that Iran is literally decades past Peak.  They can't hold their flow rate up AND they are paying their populace to let them please stop the oil subsidy so they reduce domestic consumption and can export more for Brent territory prices.

The story of that is bizzarre, btw.  They said "Here's $50.  In your bank account, and you will be able to see it there, but you can't withdraw it until January, when gasoline prices go up."   They said this October last year and the money appeared in November, and they hyped it, to get the populace excited about their extra money before they took it away from them by March in higher gasoline prices.

Iran is a basket case, and when the world figures out Manifa oil from offshore Saudi doesn't taste anything like Ghawar barrels, this shit is going over the cliff.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:28 | 1763164 Ruffcut
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THe other 20% of the matter, this area is "the theatre" for the military action, revolts, protests and every other insane globalist conception.

Saudi sludge oil is perhaps, running dry. All they have are dollars to create the next best thing. Oh, they did the wallstreet pump anmd dump, rinse and repeat, but the tank is running on fumes. 

I thank my lucky charms every morning, wondering how we got this far thru so much constant, uber and utter bullshit.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:25 | 1763398 CrashisOptimistic
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It comes down to one thing only.

The recent threats by PMs to retire equates to the powerful subconcious urge not to be in office when the juggled balls finally fall.

They have no solution and they will do anything up to and including murder to delay the fall until each of them can get out of office.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:35 | 1763440 knukles
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I might not know my bullshit, but Erin Burnett has nice udders.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:37 | 1763637 Problem Is
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Erin "B-Cup" Burnett??

She looks like a 10 year old boy sitting next to the 1st string of Caruso-Cabrera and the generously endowed CNBC Anchorettes...

And CNBC's biggest boob...
Steve Lies-man...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:58 | 1763063 steve.stuart
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Is'nt today 10/11 ....the powers like to break news like this on 11th ....

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:01 | 1763075 Hman
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Iranians hire Mexican drug cartel to kill Saudi ambassador! What kind of bullish story is this. They need to hire some one with better ability to fabricate a good story with some convincing elements before publishing this bullshit.  Most people know that Mexican drug cartel is controlled by banksters, CIA & Mosad! 

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:43 | 1763205 sabra1
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didn't you know arabs love burritos? they've got oil and gas!!!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 04:53 | 1764782 IrritableBowels
Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:42 | 1762659 John Law Lives
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On top of this news, Alcoa laid an egg to kick off earnings season:

Oct. 11, 2011, 4:30 p.m. EDT
Alcoa shares hit after disappointing report

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:44 | 1762669 Sudden Debt
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It will drop like last q

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:04 | 1762776 John Law Lives
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BTW, I intened to post this Alcoa news in another thread.  I didn't realize this thread was about the Middle East.  I thought this thread was re. Slovakia.  My bad.  I should have read the headline before posting.

Anyhow, the EPS expectations for Alcoa in the most recent quartered had been steadily lowered over the last 90 days from $0.32 down to $0.22.  Alcoa still missed lowered EPS expectations.  Maybe this is the start of a lousy earnings season.  That would make sense considering the 1000 point jump in the DJIA over the past 5 trading sessions from last Tuesday's intraday lows.

Crazy market.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:12 | 1762853 SheepDog-One
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Got to pump in order to dump...its the new normal for totaly broken and worthless bankrupt US markets.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:41 | 1762993 goldfreak
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don't worry about Alcoa, we are going to need a lot of aluminum to fight Iran.....there

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:30 | 1762946 junkyardjack
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Alcoa must have laid off the accountants that could juice their earnings

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:43 | 1762662 Comay Mierda
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just in time to divert attention away from fast and furious.  eric holder is a piece of shit

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:49 | 1762696 MonsterZero
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No worries, the truth will come out that the justice department was actually the one supplying them bomb making materials1 as part of a strategy to catch terrorists. That man is a genius!

  • 1. .0012% of bomb material recovered so far in program
Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:50 | 1762710 Troll Magnet
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they're so dumb. all they have to do to divert our attention is to announce Dancing with the Stars special.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:48 | 1763019 Gringo Viejo
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Never watched it. Humping With The Stars, now that's something I could get behind.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:00 | 1762770 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Comay

Yeah, pretty convenient for Holder to stage this just when Fast and Furious was about to engulf him.  200 deaths.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:04 | 1762804 mynhair
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But PlaceHolder was going to supply the cartel hit team with genuine US arms!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:43 | 1762665 Sudden Debt
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So... A arab wanted to kill another arab....

And now for the weather report:

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:47 | 1762688 Troll Magnet
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ah...obama never fails to disappoint. i wish obama was a stock. i'd have so much fun shorting the fuck out of it.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:51 | 1762718 nmewn
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Saaay...these Iranians are kinda radical no?

I laughed like hell a week or so ago when the guy in the bad disco suit said he was gonna send some warships over to run up and down our coast.

A waste of good metal ;-)

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:01 | 1762783 DoChenRollingBearing
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JW in FL offered to go and salvage that metal off the bottom of the coast...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:05 | 1762807 nmewn
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I believe he could do it ;-)

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:56 | 1762744 wombats
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Shiites and Sunnis love killing each other.  They think each other is an infidel.  Who cares what they do to each other as long as they don't pull other countries into their shit pit.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:02 | 1762789 john39
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saudis are obvious US/Israel puppets...  not hard to see why they are hated too.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:03 | 1762794 John Law Lives
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The Cure wrote a popular song about killing an arab.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:24 | 1762919 dwilso39
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Small point: Iraians are Persians, not Arabs!  Different language and culture

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:27 | 1762933 Sudden Debt
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I have a labrador and a collie, both are dogs.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:41 | 1762991 DoChenRollingBearing
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LOL !!!

I almost missed your triple joke there, SD!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:31 | 1763421 nyse
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+1 Joke of the post so far. Well done. LOL'd for real.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:38 | 1763453 knukles
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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:43 | 1764583 dwilso39
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Well then, I guess the Irish and English need to stop fighting becuase they are both the same "DOGS".  Same for the Germanys and the French; as well as the Japanesse and Chinesse.

Point?  Many Americans are so mis-informed that I wanted to take you anology to it's univerial application!!!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:50 | 1763209 legal eagle
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True, but that is not the important distinction.  Shiates versus Sunni is the important distinction.  Sunnis run their religion on democratic principles, elect their leaders, and thus believe their leaders are faliable, not from God, not devine.  Sunnis are the more sane, peaceful branch of the Muslim faith.  Christians, Muslims and other faiths can live in peace. 85% of Muslims are Sunni.

The Persians, once a great race, have become Shiate.  Shiate leaders purportedly are from the blood line of Muhammad and they believe the rulers are devine, not to be questioned, from God.  They also believe that they have a duty to convert the world, even by force.  It is the Shiates that run Iran, it is the Shiates that believe in blowing themselves up in the name of Allah, it is the Shiates who want to remove Isreal from the Middle East.  It is the Shiates that are evil.  It is the Shiates that armed the rebels in Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Bahrain and even Saudi Arabia, it is the Shiates that lob rockets at civilians in Isreal, it is the Shiates that have destroyed Jordan.  They do this because their faith tells them to kill or convert the infidels.



Wed, 10/12/2011 - 08:16 | 1765000 JOYFUL
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wow, I can see your reasoning for the legal eagle avatar:  stay as far from the truth as is permissible, then collect the biggest fee for the affront to justice as possible...what you no(non sic...just to let yu no what a crummy speller ye be!)about Sunnis and Shiites would not fit on the head of a pin...

hmm, is that the genesis of the term "pinhead"???  Do us a favor...

blow yrself up, real good!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:26 | 1762925 Rick Masters
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Saudi's are Arab, i.e. Semitic-Caucasian; Iranians are persians, i.e. Aryan-Caucasian. Yes, Virgiana, Muslims have skulls indistinguishable from white people of Europe but totally distinguishable from Asians and Africans.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:58 | 1763061 Arkadaba
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Different language families too. Persian is an Indo-European language (like English) while Arabic belongs to the Semitic family.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:27 | 1763607 Problem Is
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As an illiterate Amerikan...

It's all Greek default to me...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:14 | 1764056 StychoKiller
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FYI:  Iranians are Persians, not Arabs.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:04 | 1764409 Squishi
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Iran is a country!

the population include: persians, kurds, armenians, turks and arabs... 

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:45 | 1762674 imaginalis
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Iran working with the Zeta cartel. How convenient

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:48 | 1762698 SheepDog-One
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'Iran worked with the Zeta cartel'? 

LOL what? US Army Special Forces TRAINED the Zetas right here in the US!


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:54 | 1762736 nmewn
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Well that is interesting. And Holder runs guns to them...hmmm.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:02 | 1762790 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hmm indeed.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:54 | 1763048 Arkadaba
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best comment I've seen so far on this was on another site - weapons of mass distraction ...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:18 | 1763367 imaginalis
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"LOL what? US Army Special Forces TRAINED the Zetas right here in the US!"

Exactly. Don't you think it's a little bit convenient to link them to the Iranians?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:26 | 1763401 SheepDog-One
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Yep exactly!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:53 | 1762725 Shameful
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Huh the US has been found to be working with the Zeta cartel, now they claim Iran to.  Sure why not,  Zeta gets around huh?  What upsets me is the piss poor quality of the stories and lies.  I mean come on guys, hire better script writers!  I think we as the American public are owed quality well crafted lies.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:55 | 1762738 SheepDog-One
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The Zetas are a CIA sub-contractor!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:15 | 1762866 Space Potato
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Hahaha! That's what I was going to say.  I had to read this twice and still don't understand it:

"An alleged Iranian plot to hire Mexican drug cartel killers to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States on American soil..."

But then "The idea that they would attempt to go to a Mexican drug cartel to solicit murder-for-hire to kill the Saudi ambassador, nobody could make that up, right?"  

Haha, right.  They had to lay off the DC writers and let Hilary write her own stuff.  Tisk, tisk.  If they really want you dead, they'll do it without any pomp and circumstance,.. but if they want to stir some things up, like what they think will be the only way to get us out of this depression, well, then...there you go.



Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:32 | 1762951 Space Potato
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That was @ Shameful and not sheepydog. Just to clarify.  Although I believe anything is possible. 

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:46 | 1762681 fyrebird
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SA back in the news. Those guys freak me out. You all should give this a read, if you have not already:

Beyond here there be monsters

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:06 | 1763294 Esso
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From your link: > It's like Saigon in a sand box. (Not that I actually remember Saigon.) <

It brought this to mind. Jeeze there's a lot of versions of this. This was the shortest I saw.

Ha! S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-Saigon. Saigon.

Yeah, Let's attack Iran. I hear there's some 4-year old girl over there who hates my freeedumbs. Let's take over & colonize that country like we did with Vietnam, Afghan, Iraq and...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:47 | 1762692 the not so migh...
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they will now have sword fights with their penises

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:49 | 1762695 Segestan
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But hey ; we're all the same... love.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:48 | 1762701 pods
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Theater.  Nothing more, nothing less.


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:49 | 1762707 Vuvuzela
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kenyan bullshit this hoax is

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:51 | 1762720 George the baby...
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Well blow me over with a feather!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:55 | 1762740 BadKiTTy
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You know what? When the WMD pr was flying I was 'all in', hook line and f'ing sinker...... now? who knows if this is true or not, so many false flags.  

And dont forget, burning through billions of munitions and bombing a country back to the dark ages HAS to be good the economy! no??? WTF! 


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:56 | 1762741 SilverIsKing
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If you haven't seen this, you need to check this out:

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:06 | 1762745 i love cholas
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Two figures in this story that Americans so greatly fear. Iran and Mexico. stir them together and you get another Gulf of Tonkin incident

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:56 | 1762746 moskov
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A perfect drama to steal the MAINSTREAM MEDIA'S ATTENTION FROM OCCUPYING EVERYTHING BACK couldn't make this up, 5 stars hollywood production in progress

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:57 | 1762747 Socrate
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The "real" news :) Rily ?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:57 | 1762753 mfoste1
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krugman must be salivating right now

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:00 | 1762773 SheepDog-One
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I guess he'll be loving oil to $150+ within days if they keep whacking this hornets nest.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:17 | 1763128 Arkadaba
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Bullish for CDN.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:11 | 1762840 nmewn
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If they invaded in flying saucers he would be orgasmic ;-)

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:15 | 1763563 Esso
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Criminy, I'd forgotten them Eye-Ray-Neons had a monopoly on flying saucers [and carpets].

Cripes, we're doomed.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 16:58 | 1762763 cbaba
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We didn't know that US government has a good relation with Mexican drug cartel. This is the real news.

Then why didn't the US government captured the killers of US embassy personnel in Mexico last year ?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:10 | 1762772 pupton
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Okay, I didn't used to be a conspiracy nut, but didn't we use The Zimmerman Telegram in almost the same way to justify entering WWI against the Germans? Whether it was "real" or "false flag" is immaterial now, but what about Iran?

Is this "Fast and Furious" with Iran as the scapegoat vs. the Second Amendment rights of Americans?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:46 | 1763481 knukles
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So why are you even thinking you might be a conspiracist now?
Try the people who make and believe that crap.  That's where the conspiracists are.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:00 | 1762777 swissaustrian
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Buy oil companies that are not doing business in the middle east, like:

- Norwegian Statoil

- Brazilian Petrobras

Both are very cheap right now.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:03 | 1762801 walcott
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more absolute bullshit.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:04 | 1762805 broke433
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Long oil?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:07 | 1762816 mynhair
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And the EURUSD could still care less.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:10 | 1762836 SheepDog-One
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Zombie fiat what? Same with Zombie markets, today they trade at levels below 1999, yet people are all on the edge of their seats over some 'big move' certain to happen at any time now...LOL!!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:12 | 1762851 navy62802
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Well, it looks like Saudi Arabia might just get to use those planes we sold them after all.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:15 | 1762868 americanspirit
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Just sent the Saudi Ambo the following love letter:

Regarding the so-called plot to kill the Ambassador, and your threats to retaliate - do you seriously expect anyone to believe that a bunch of cowardly dogs who beat and stone their women, and send tanks against unarmed demonstrators, are going to have the balls to 'retaliate' against anyone who can actually fight back?


I hope you do give Iran an excuse to really teach you a lesson.


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:17 | 1762882 SheepDog-One
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HA HA exactly!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:59 | 1763067 CompassionateFascist
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Also relevant: the Hezbollah guys that gave Israel a bloody nose a coupla years back: armed and trained by Iranian officers. So go it, Zogsters. By all means attack Iran.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:51 | 1764943 falak pema
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This quid pro quo is good for OIl price; period. Its bad for US economy. So the winners are : Saud AND Iran.

Nothing more to say, except if the USA wants to push the dominoes in Mid-East... Can't imagine that, with their current trade, fiscal, budget, you-name-it deficits and hole in the living room sized debt.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:16 | 1762874 j0nx
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Shameful when Americans believe NOTHING that comes out of the mouths of their leaders. EVERYONE I have talked to about this thinks it's some kind of scam concocted by America to start a war with Iran or to deflect attention away from F&F and the eceonomic implosion. What does that say about us as a people when we feel that way about our so called 'leaders'? Sad days...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:19 | 1762891 SheepDog-One
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Anyone with a brain knows this is all lies, as far as the rest of the zombie american sheeple they dont give a crap about anything unless its pop stars or if its explosions and sirens. Other than that, the country slumbers on!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:26 | 1762923 goldfreak
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what if they say the Iranians were trying to hire Kim Kardashian to kill the ambassador?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:01 | 1763527 knukles
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There'd already be a Prime Time Slot for it, Nielsen ratings already off the charts (When issued market) Screaming kids (sound track from American Idol) Enquirer headlines of Kim bashing in her new hubbie's skull in a coked out paparazi photo proven to have been a Photoshopped pic of Lindsay Lohan showing her cooch.  People beating the doors down for Studio Tickets.  Whatever.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:17 | 1763570 Problem Is
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Kim Kardashian's ass is wide enough to sit on the Saudi Ambassador's face and smother him...

His first virgin(not) on the way to Islamic heaven...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:26 | 1762924 ReallySparky
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Sad days...    Understatement of the century.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:19 | 1762895 gwar5
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Not sure what good killing an ambassador would do. Does help Holder and Obama deflect from their Fast and Furious Gunrunning subpoenas and the Solyndra scandal. But the way it's going for Dufus and Dufusser, it'll be revealed that the would be assasins recently got special WH clearance to enter the USA in order to meet up with the OWS protests.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:24 | 1762917 SheepDog-One
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Right, like if Im charged with robbing a bank, I can stage a robbery of my house, then the charges against me will be dropped. It only fools the retards at this point.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:04 | 1763535 knukles
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Not only dropped, you'll go on a life long gubamintal welfare subsidy due to the stress and angst you caused yourself because now you're a crime victim.
Milk that system for all it's got, Goddamnit.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:53 | 1763239 Arkadaba
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Wouldn't be surprised if something like that happens soon but I'm just a cynical bitch

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:20 | 1762900 data_monkey
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Wait, are we going to invade Mexico next? I thought Mexico was invading us. I mean, they're closer than Iran and the Saudi's can take care of them, can't they?

If we're going to invade Mexico, shouldn't we also invade Canada and just take over the entire northern continent? I'm so confused. Where's China in all this?


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:21 | 1762903 sabra1
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where does catherine ZETA-jones fit into all this? she's such a nice lady!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:29 | 1762941 sheeple2012
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Heard she was one-stop shopping for depends and diapers at CVS

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 19:38 | 1763454 nyse
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Not sure. Heard she was a massive bitch though, FWIW.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:21 | 1762906 goldfreak
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sink the Maine bitchez!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:22 | 1762908 zapdude
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This whole story reeks of a pre-false flag event.  What complete NONSENSE. 

As if Iran didn't have assassins they could deploy autonomously without begging the drug cartels to help them. 

And then for Hillary to say "nobody could make this up, right?" and "we want to assure our friends these complaints are well-founded". 

Weak point -- pound pulpit.  Two huge Freudian slips.

<howls of sarcastic laughter>

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:25 | 1762920 SheepDog-One
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Yep theyre really smackin the hornets nest now! Theyre all out of BS, and need something bigger to divert attention now, this show is about to get real interesting now!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:32 | 1762939 data_monkey
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Maybe they're looking for a few things here.

An easy way to disperse a crowd

Get the people backing the war machine again

save Holder and the .gov from any more scrutiny


Farfetched? Maybe. But not as farfetched as this story.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:11 | 1763553 Problem Is
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The Amerikan public engage in conspiracy theories because...

The US Government constantly engages in outrageous idiotic conspiracy theories...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:30 | 1762945 zapdude
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This was such a cheesy script though, I mean COME ON. 

Totally pathetic, it's like a rejected script from a Season 3 episode of "24". 

This is the best the gubmint spooks can come up with??? 

I'm still laughing.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:40 | 1762982 ZackAttack
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Gotta think of something slightly better than the "Tonkin Gulf of Mexico" event.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:28 | 1762935 bbq on whitehou...
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No one is going to believe the US on anything Iranian.

Any other country, maybe but not Iran.

Somone has been watching to much Scarface. To come up with this.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:29 | 1762937 mbutler101
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"The idea that they would attempt to go to a Mexican drug cartel to solicit murder-for-hire to kill the Saudi ambassador, nobody could make that up, right?"


Kinda like the idea that the ATF could supply these same Mexican drug cartels with guns via Fast & Furious. No, you can make this sh*t up.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:29 | 1762944 zorba THE GREEK
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Clinton said the plan was stranger than fiction. IMHO it is strange fiction. I guess the administration

thought if they made it strange enough, people might believe it. Many of us have been expecting a

false flag event as an excuse for Israel to attack Iran. At least Eric Holder has armed the Mexican cartel

well enough to carry out such a plan.

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