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And Now For Something Special: "The J.P.Morgan Guide To Credit Derivatives" By Blythe Masters

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Lelaina: Can you define "irony"?
Troy Dyer: It's when the actual meaning is the complete opposite from the literal meaning.

 

                                             - Reality Bites

From circa 1999.

 

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Fri, 05/11/2012 - 07:52 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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So anyway, is anyone going to even mention anything about a rating cut or should we just assume that apathy has completely taken over?

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 07:58 | Link to Comment ndotken
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Fuck You Jamie ... that karma's a bitch ... huh dude?

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:02 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Crap....in all this.....I forgot about Blythe. Always watch the other hand.

 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 09:07 | Link to Comment Badabing
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When I first heard the JPM misfortune it made me smile and then it hit me JPM is TBTF ergo we the tax payer will pay, first it made me Moody and then Blue because it will be paid by our children’s children’s children.

Is this just smoke and mirrors and does this 2.3 billion get funneled to the Greek’s at our expense?  

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Yes..., I suppose Ben will need to start buying securities, and take those JPM positions public. But it will not be a bailout. <sarc>

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Hey Blythe ~ The University of Colorado is on the phone wondering if the $5 million for the commodities trading center is still a good offer...

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Silver Bully
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'Crap....in all this.....I forgot about Blythe.'

Are you kidding? The FIRST thing I thought of when I heard the news yesterday was 'What is Blythe gonna do to silver TODAY?'

Who knows, she could end up with a promotion or get fired by next week. You never know what Dimon doesn't know.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 07:58 | Link to Comment TooBearish
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JPM will be re-affirmed by mainstream rating agencies S&P and Moody's to think this is anything but a one time event is rediculous...JPM is soverign

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:01 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Cramer concurs......

 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:12 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Not true...

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:02 | Link to Comment Theta_Burn
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You speak sedition boy, easy with that.

The silence is deafening though.

Will this spark the cannibalism we've been waiting for?

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:13 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"fine young cannibals" indeed.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 07:54 | Link to Comment DavidC
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Tyler,
You're so naughty!

DavidC

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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Special.

1999 seems like a dream world to me now.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:14 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"some are mathematicians. Some are carpenter's wives...

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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"Headin' for another joint..."

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Burr's 2nd Shot
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Like reading the project specs on the Doomsday device.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 07:55 | Link to Comment ZeroPower
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To be fair, this, as well as the Credit Derivative Handbook (by Morgan Stanley) are seminal pieces for anyone in this line of work.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:07 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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Now they need to write a simpler version of this: "Credit Derivatives for Dummies"

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:09 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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We know from Greece that a cds is a mythical beast.  

Why include cds in the handbook and exclude Unicorns?

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:14 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Because they'd have to include Hades in that mythical world as well.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:11 | Link to Comment koaj
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where is max kaiser? been very silent since last night

 

wonder if now is a good time to start up the "Buy silver, crash JP MOrgan" campaign again

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:12 | Link to Comment Meatballs
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'Aided and Abetted' in the first line- a term common to criminal conduct. Now that's irony...

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:14 | Link to Comment Catullus
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"In bypassing barriers between different classes, maturities, rating categories, debt seniority levels and so on, credit derivatives are creating enormous opportunities to exploit and profit from associated discontinuities in the pricing of credit risk."

And it's great because it works until it doesn't.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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most confidence schemes do.....even ones as full of obfuscating jargon as this....

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 21:39 | Link to Comment InvalidID
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 The Offcial New Jersey translation of that reads: Yo, lemme hold a (billion) dollah(s).

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:16 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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Hedging a risk never makes the risk go away, it only moves it from one party to another. Someone, somewhere will have to take the loss, if there is a loss.

ANYBODY who believed the Credit Derivatives or anything would take the risk away from an economy or a sector as whole, was a Fockin' Lunatic!

All through my degree in Finance and Economics, I was not able to excel or score higher grades (despite being a Genius) was becuase all the propaganda shit aka "financial education" would not make sense to me.

But NOW it does, and I am all LULZ!!!

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/8/128759103445733329.jpg

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment Al Capowned
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Warren G Wall street Regulators:

We dont regulate any stealing of this money and we damn corrupt too, But you can't be any geek off the street,Gotta be in the wall street club If you know what I mean, earn your keep, Regulators! do fuck all! Mount up!

It was a clear black night a clear white moon...............

 

60 trillion in derviates and silver manipualtion getting old ..... Jamie Dimon and Blythe Masters are about to make some markets turn cold.......

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:20 | Link to Comment Robot Traders Mom
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Lelaina: Can you define "irony"?
Troy Dyer: It's when the actual meaning is the complete opposite from the literal meaning.

I spent 87 minutes of my life waiting for Troy and Leilana to get together. The unintentional comedy was well worth it.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:20 | Link to Comment distopiandreamboy
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I wonder if Blythe's email is still the same. Let's find out...

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:24 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Doesn't JPM "own" a shitload of solver contracts? Just wondering.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:27 | Link to Comment Nader_Nazemi
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This is just a paper loss, right ? 

But what is the actual loss ? 

I apologize for sounding a little ignorant. 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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actual loss? who cares! Nothing taxpayers money can't solve!

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:29 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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To quote JP morgan Chase own TV commericals "This is what recoveries are made of"

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:29 | Link to Comment JohnKozac
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"...off balance sheets instruments offering more flexibility..."

Dictionaries need to update the new definition of "flexibility"

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Look under "Thai Hookers"

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 08:48 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I feel so confident all will fall back on it's feet by itself!!

Money's for nothing and everything's for free!

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 09:07 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Nice crack pipe, but you're gonna need a torch and some rocks for full effect.

 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment ArrestBobRubin
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JP Morgan Failure Shows the Incompetency of the Fed As Regulator And a Corrupted Government

The spin machine is revving up, and the spokesmodels are gesticulating wildly, in an effort to direct and deflect this failure of governance at JPM.

See how manfully Jamie Dimon has come clean on this. And look how well the Fed's capital standards are protecting us from a failure at JPM because of this unfortunate but 'manageable' trading mistake. This will be a buying opportunity!

A craven Congress, dominated by a hard core of one-percenter bully boys, an Obama Administration intimately tied to Wall St. cronies, and the Federal Reserve, which is a private institution of financial establishment insiders making a weak attempt at self-regulation cloaked in secrecy, have failed the public once again.

Simon Johnson points out what many may miss in all this. The side effects of the continuing campaign by the banks' lobbyists to weaken reform have given us a hint of the next financial crisis.

The credibility trap has captured our leadership. They cannot change course without admitting their failures, and to admit their failures is to weaken or even lose their power. And so its steady as she goes, onto the rocks. Better a general than a personal failure, because there is opportunity in a crisis as long as you still have a seat in the game.

The cheating, stealing, and lying will continue until the system finally collapses, or until the people finally wake up, take responsibility for their government, and demand meaningful reform.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment Alexmai
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If you really look into JPM's $2billion loss, there is honest intent on the part of Jamie Dimon and JPM.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/if-you-really-look-into-jpms-2billion-loss-there-is-honest-intent-on-the-part-of-jamie-dimon-and-jpm/#.T60N11xYuIA

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 09:12 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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I assure you there's very little honest about cooking one's reserve levels with STUPID hedging strategy.

 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Golden monkey
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Stanley "big cock" Crouch, chief investment officer of Aegis Capital Corp., talks about JPMorgan Chase & Co.'s $2 billion trading loss and it's potential impact on global investment firms. http://www.bloomberg.com/video/92463633/

 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 10:31 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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Sorry but this is a hedge of a hedge (and that is the smallest number of links that we know of).

It makes mathematical sense, but Mother Nature doesn’t see it that way because no risk has actually been moved.

All that has happened is that complexity has increased. If they could have taken the loss in the first place, then they wouldn't have need the second hedge .......but then no one likes to lose money.

The problem is the psychological con of adding on another hedge, rather than take the losses.

If you can't take a big loss, don't make a big bet! 

The maths looks nice though....until it doesn't.

</sarc (I am sure bonuses were not involved) />

 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment tradewithdave
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Speaking of special... how about a trojan horse that looks like whale on the Thames?

http://tradewithdave.com/?p=10274

 

 

 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment Morphine Drip
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.... but online gambling is illegal in the US.

 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment falak pema
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when the gaussian curve gets distorted and fat tails become themselves the problem and not the haven of CDS bunga binges; as imagined by Blythe. If you live on the assumption of a perpetual economic machine and go on a virtual side bet spree on that basis, not realising that this very spiral is now vital part of the real economy you have become the very spark that lights the powder keg, as the tail is now feeding the mouth of the real economy.

You are in 2007... and if you continue to pretend and extent you are in 2012. And...well, the harder the fall!

 

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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The irony of 'Synthetic' today, is quite the natural origination of lucidity - would 'not' you concur Doctor Who-Shalom? Oh yes, indeed  Jamie [soon to be a dimon in the rough?] ,but, it is my masters whom have no use for Darwinian Science!

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment heavymetaleconomist
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They made us read this in school because they thought it was cutting edge. The regulators didn't understand VaR so JP had to teach it to them. Try backing into the reported VaR on their financial statements. It's like trying to figure out China's actual GDP.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 17:13 | Link to Comment jayman21
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Is that her phone number?  Warming up the war dialer.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 23:31 | Link to Comment qiongqiong
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