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Yesterday's rumor that global central banks may, just may, respond to a Greek exit from the Eurozone, which would send the world into tailspin sent stocks higher. Because without said rumor nobody, repeat nobody would possibly imagine that there could be a coordinated response to an event that would send global risk down over 20%. Today, it gets even dumber:


At least yesterday the source was some discredited G-20 member. Now it appears that the media has a front-row seat to ECB deliberations. Fascinating. And what is even more fascinating is that the market continues to fall for these rumors "breaking news" and rumors time after time after time...

More from Bloomberg:

  • Likelihood that such a move would also involve cutting rate the ECB pays banks on overnight deposits from 0.25% is no longer an obstacle for a majority of Governing Council
  • NOTE: Deposit rate traditionally moves in tandem with benchmark; policy makers have been reluctant to take it to zero out of concern it would discourage interbank lending

And the kicker:

  • A rate cut isn’t certain, the officials said
  • ECB spokeswoman declines to comment

So... things may or may not happen depending on what happens? And this sends stock spiking?



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Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:13 | 2529800 fuu
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Over/under on the fade?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:17 | 2529818 Divided States ...
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When shit does hit the fan, my Hit List is just getting bigger and bigger. Will need to double my ammunition stockpiles.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:20 | 2529834 Chris Jusset
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Just cut rates to ZERO and get it done, already.  Why all the drama?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:22 | 2529845 Bastiat
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The "key concern" is that it will do nothing for the economy, as in the US, and show them to be powerless. 

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:57 | 2529905 resurger
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Understanding JPM loss in very simple way


I have been reading about the CDS Indices and how they trade, but i have to say that they got rather confusing, its almost similar to the CDS index but with a little twist. So i have decided to write a small piece so that whenever we read about the CDS trades that cost JP Morgan $3bn at least we understand what the hell was going on. after you read this piece i want you to "correlate" what has happened to JP Morgan chase "Iksil" trades.


Ok i want to make this as simple, you have to understand that there are two things in the CDS indices, CDS Global Index  (The global CDO pool with 100, 125 names IG, HY) & CDS Index Tranches.


!!!Correlation: represents the spread movement, time to maturity, and the tendency for default, recovery and correlation with other indices.


1- CDS Index Tranches


The tranches are synthetic collateralized debt obligation (CDOs) based on a CDS Index, they are standardized and they represent different segments of the CDS Global Index. They are split into the following.


1- Equity 0-3% (The most Dangerous shit)

2- Junior  Mezz

3- Senior Mezz

4- Junior Senior

5- Super Senior 50-100% (Less Risky)


Now understanding the wording is the most important thing, on the tranche you can have those two possiblites:


<1> Long Correlation: Means that you are long the Equity Tranche ( Selling Protection on equity) and you are ready to take the default risk OR  (not and, its not a hedge with another tranche) You are Short Senior Tranche (Buying Protection on Senior)


<2> Short Correlation: Means that you are Short Equity Tranche (Buying Protection on equity) OR Long Senior Tranche (Selling Protection on Senior)


Its exactly like short selling (you are expecting the prices (correlation to drop) as the economy is going to improve or you like long buying (you are expecting the prices to rise) and expecting the economy to be worse.


So, JPM where Short Correlation on Super Senior (expecting the economy to get better, and it was getting better due to twist and LTRO) means $$$$





2- CDS Global Index


The index represents insurance contracts covering the entire pool of credit (i.e all the 125 names listed lets say on IG9).


The global index (all the pool of the CDO's) works like the bond prices, when the spread moves for all the 125 companies, the price changes exactly like bonds price / yield it also pays coupon.



again, understanding the wording is the most important thing, on the Global index, you have two possiblities:


<1> Buy or Long the index: Means you are selling Protection on all 125 names in the entire CDO pool


<2> Sell or Short the index: Means you are buying Protection on all 125 names in the entire CDO pool



3- The Delta


The delta measure the spread sensitivity for 1bp change in spread or DV01



Delta = MTM change or (Dv01) for CDS Index Tranche / MTM change or (DV01) for the CDS Global Index


From Merril Lynch example, lets assume those are JPM Super Senior Tranche DV zero- one,  if DV01 for the CDSIT is = $2107 & DV01 CDSGI = $4,540 then you have a delta of (2,107/4,540) 46.4%


4- Hedging & Leverage (Delta Hedge or trying to achieve Delta-Neutral)


If you are long/short a tranche and you want to hedge it you hedge it with the CDS Global Index, if you do then its called "Delta Hedge Portfolio" and it has a size.


assume Tranche notional of $20Mio


Delta Hedge Portfolio = Tranche Notional X Delta

                                    = 20 X 46.4 = 231.85


Leverage = (Delta hedge portfolio)  /  ( Tranche Notional)

                = 231.85 / 20 = 11.6X


so if you buy Super Senior Protection and you want to hedge it against Spread movement you have to to Buy 11.6x the index.


So what was JPM doing? I dont know exactly, there are so many opinions out there, but am guessing that they were:


1- Short Correlation

2- Long the Index


this explains why they were making money when the LTRO/Twist came to existance and why the Hedgers (Protections buyers) where getting burned because JPM were not hedging with the Index, on the other hand they were Buying the Index with the above leverage (for example)


So when the credits got worse, they started to get burned and then they started to unwind.


I think there hedge was (Buy 5Y CDS Tranche) which could helped to reduce some of the losses, but who knows.


Now this is the most important thing i want to know, who was on the other side of the trade, and who made $3bn, those are the guys


1- Weinstein's Saba Capital Management.

2- Blue Mountain Capital.

3- BlueCrest Capital.

 4-Lucidus Capital Partners.



Benefited from taking the opposite position to JP Morgan...


Hope that helps, cheers


P.S hope this helps you to clear the confusions, but this is how shit works, wording is important

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:05 | 2530019 Matt
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July 12, 2012 JPM reports earnings and on the call, will explain to shareholders the total losses and current situation.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:16 | 2530090 slewie the pi-rat
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the fuu-fighters fade line for the respose would be:

over/under minus 5 minutes

[yes, this does indicate the SNB 2B today's rumor source.  again  L0L!!!]

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:25 | 2530138 CClarity
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Everyone's flat for the weekend . . .  fade to grey.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:35 | 2530198 fuu
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No fade today I guess. That rumor was not priced it.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:45 | 2530250 ghengis86
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Thank you. This helps out a ton. I've read the ZH articles on JPM/IG9/Iksil a few times each and still didn't have it all clear in my small brain.

This is why ZH rocks; articles and analysis you can't find anywhere else plus ZH commenters are the cream of the cream (even the trolls, troll well!)!

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 15:13 | 2530300 resurger
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you are most welcome, i wrote this on the fly....

i just wanted to add a couple of things is that the Leverage (above 11.6x) if you multiply it by the tranche notional you get how much you need to hedge in the Global CDS Index (11.6 X 20 = 231mn) , so for you to protect the spread movement you need to buy/sell that much on the CDS Global Index (by the way i used global just to simplify things up)

In addition, if the leverage on Super Senior was 11.6x, then on Equity the leverage will be 30.5x because it's more dangerous (30.5x is a hypothetical number)


so after sometime, it just becomes easy so you can say

1- i sold protection on tranche and bought protection on the index


2- i bought protection on tranche and bought the index


3- i was long the tranche and i hedged it by selling the index

so you dont need to use the short/long correllation.

if you want to dig further you can take a look at the following:





Fri, 06/15/2012 - 21:47 | 2531182 Buck Johnson
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Bingo.  The govt. can't be shown that they are out of ideas and are powerless.  Then people will look to others for leadership and so the end of a nation.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:24 | 2529850 Eternal Complainer
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Isn't that almost their last and final arrow, beyond the printing and rigging and lies and propaganda, fake wars etc etc?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:33 | 2529892 El Oregonian
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I can visualize the future conversation of people going into banks:

"OK, so how much do I have to pay so you hold my money here?" <sarc off>

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:19 | 2530104 TruthInSunshine
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As Marc Faber would say (as he laughs menacingly in the face of a Bloomberg reporter-bot during an interview), it's time to find out if Bernanke is a true money printer or just an amateur.


Marc Faber laughing his ass off to Bloomberg Reporter while calling Bernanke a "liar." 

Bernanke "Is a Liar"


I need Banzai's mad skillz for this one; anyone seen Banzai around, and maybe The Limerick King?

Antonov An-225 Mriya Bernanke


Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:26 | 2530146 walküre
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TIS, the AN-225 is an amazing aircraft. Nice pics.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:58 | 2530291 TruthInSunshine
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Indeed it is. It would be nice if the people stormed the central banks, burned the fractional reserve banking ponzi shackles to the ground, and got their economies back to a point where making tangible things of inherent value was rewarded moreso than 'engineering devious, wealth shifting & destroying, financial instruments."


At such time, the true value of bankers would be revealed as less than zero, and the value of competent engineers with true skills in terms of making actual value-accretive goods would skyrocket.


Here's the link to the hilarious Faber interview (only 10 seconds of it):

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 15:41 | 2530478 walküre
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The theft has been a couple decades in the making. Righting the wrongs will take a few years of proper education and understanding. Too many people grew up with the propaganda.

My wife and I do what we can to put our kids on the right path. They're being schooled at home for starters. We grow our own food including livestock. Kids are involved and learn "hands-on" what is important in life. Social environment is carefully monitored as well. I have a thing for the Amish but we're not there - yet. In due time and after SHTF the transition to Amish life will be easier for us.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 15:36 | 2530457 cbxer55
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I love that big old aircraft. Typical Russian, bigger-is-better. There are some excellent videos on You Tube, of this thing performing low to the ground during air shows. I'd link a few, but have to head off to work for the night, working on aircraft. It's an amazing aircraft, for sure.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:51 | 2530111 TruthInSunshine
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Double-tap and glitch in the Matrix.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:40 | 2530227 Hohum
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El Oregonian,

I think for many financial institutions that's the present.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 21:45 | 2531181 Buck Johnson
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Because if they put it at zero and it still doesn't work then everyone with an IQ over mud will know that they are out of bullets.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:14 | 2529803 DavidC
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Hugh Hendry's going to be rich if they do.


Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:59 | 2530001 q99x2
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I hope it doesn't stress him out.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:27 | 2530154 LULZBank
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I would doubt anyone who pre announces hes going to be rich soon. Unless you intend to grow rich by finding enough buyers for something you want to sell, otherwise known as "offloading."

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:15 | 2529807 carbonmutant
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Fear can make you do strange things...

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:16 | 2529813 TooBearish
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Ty- u gotsa get off the doomsday train- its a fukking election year and the S&P yields 50BP more than the 10yr

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:34 | 2529898 Bob
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Oh, ironic humor.  Funny!  +1

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:16 | 2529814 reader2010
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The whole world goes the Japanese way.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:32 | 2529890 ghengis86
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I'm turning Japanese right now with all these rumors and ramps

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:55 | 2529989 PivotalTrades
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Why we are not going Japanese,

While the Japanese were going Japanese, the rest of the world was still growing (USA BRICS) and they were selling shit into that growth and collecting USD allowing them to continue to support their debt..We will have nobody to sell anything too. It will be just print and buy like we are currently doing until we can't. It will not take a decade. 2 years at most.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:17 | 2529817 derek_vineyard
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and another generation of retards works at JPM , GS , etc and buys into all the catch words and propoganda

i've been following markets all my life and i'm baffled at the daily gyrations

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:17 | 2529819 goldencross10
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Boy who cried wolf, people keep responding, still no wolf...

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:18 | 2529823 economessed
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"....some said"  some said.

-modern reporting.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:33 | 2529894 SeverinSlade
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"According to anonymous source."

"According to unconfirmed source."

"According to unconfirmed reports."

So in other words, everything is bullshit?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:37 | 2529916 Bob
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Nah, trust your corporate news source.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 16:06 | 2530565 HD
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"So in other words, everything is bullshit?"

"Some people" say that.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:18 | 2529824 FL_Conservative
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Come on.....crash and burn, already!

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:39 | 2529917 johngaltfla
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You forget:


Buffett purchased Bear Stearns 47 times before it finally went Tits Up.


Greece and Europe will have at least 30 more rumors to go INCLUDING Warren Buffett saving them.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:10 | 2529945 BlueCollaredOne
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3 of out of the last 4 comments here have been by someone toting a V for Vendetta avatar.  I know Im in good company when my two favorite books/comics/movies (Fight Club/V for Vendetta) are represented in such a predominant fashion. 

The gadsden flag comes in a close second. 

Thanks ZH.


Edit : yes, the ratio of 3 to 4 is going to change as people continue to post, but you get my premise. 

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:28 | 2530162 pods
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Yes, it indeed will change.


Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:19 | 2529829 Bastiat
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“The newscaster announced that “the stock market had fallen 100 points on news that an asteroid was heading to Earth and all life would be destroyed within 24 hours… before recovering on word that the Fed had increased QE to infinity.”

Lifted from

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:22 | 2529839 junkyardjack
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This market wants to rip

“Prices, like everything else, move along the line of least resistance.  They will do whatever comes easiest, therefore they will go up if there is less resistance to an advance than to a decline; and vice versa.” - Jesse Livermore

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2529865 Tyler Durden
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Here is another one: stuff goes up when there are more buyers then sellers. And vice versa.

Also, never confuse this long-dead concept known as the "market" with Brian Sack/Ben Bernanke.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:41 | 2529927 junkyardjack
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Agreed, with so many people short there are a lot more buyers than sellers in this market.  Also if Brian Sack and Bernake are manipulating the markets it can't go down, I don't actually believe that they are but with that argument there shouldn't really be so much confusion as to why the markets are going higher

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:57 | 2529993 BlueCollaredOne
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One word.  Hopium.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:59 | 2530002 resurger
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"I don't actually believe that they"

 making money these days its so easy ... just wait for Ben to say Print / No Print


Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:21 | 2530121 BlueCollaredOne
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<------ Ben says "we are stimulating the economy" on 6-20-12

<------ Ben says "The FED is actively doing all they can" on 6-20-12



Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:22 | 2529843 Cognitive Dissonance
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I always salivate when I hear the music from the ice cream truck.

"I want chocolate sprinkles on top."

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:35 | 2529909 carbonmutant
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As I've gotten older I've become suspicious of Ice Cream Trucks...

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:45 | 2529950 Bastiat
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. . .you never know about those chocolate sprinkles.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:04 | 2530015 q99x2
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Alex Jones is suspicious of Warren Buffet eating an ice cream cone.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:37 | 2529913 Alpo for Granny
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I want silver and gold jimmies on mine, a thingamajig to eat it out of, and a spiderman towel for clean up.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:42 | 2529934 Cognitive Dissonance
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Ten points for tying together several absurdities from the last few weeks. Alas I can only give you one up arrow.


Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:22 | 2529846 Frank N. Beans
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I am declaring an emergency Festivus for Therestofus holiday for the next 29 weeks.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 02:47 | 2533301 Alpo for Granny
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I green you for a Something about Mary icon and a Seinfeld reference.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:24 | 2529852 UP Forester
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I actually watched Drago's speech this morning.  It sounded much like The Bernank while makinga meata-balla sandwich, until the last minute or two.

Up until then, he was calm.  When he started talking about countries giving up more sovereignty to gain more sovereignty, the paper he was reading from started shaking.  The more he talked about it, the faster he talked and the more nervous he sounded.

He damn near sprint-talked through the last paragraph, and then looked up and gave a cheesy grin, almost like he was looking for the guy holding the gun on him to say "Gee, I did good enuffa, yah?"

All in all, very shitty acting.  Didn't have his heart in it.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:54 | 2529986 NotApplicable
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I forget, just who crowned him again?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:34 | 2530194 walküre
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That's because he and everyone else who matters knows that the whole plan is stupid. A bankrupt country putting billions into a European fund to support its own banks. Had the country money to do it, they would have supported their banks. If they have the money and not willing to support their own banks, they sure as hell won't give the money to the ESM to support their banks and other banks.

Draghi is not convinced and therefore he can't be convincing. He's old school and where he comes from, you destroy and collapse and then buy it on the cheap.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:25 | 2529857 djsmps
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And today's classic quote from Wolf Blitzer, waiting for the President's 1:15 pm address: "Apparently he's running a little late."

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:41 | 2529926 djsmps
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They just said he is expected to speak momentarily.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:58 | 2529998 djsmps
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Wolf Blitzer just interviewed the sherrif of Maracaipo County, AZ. Before the interview started, he warned him that he might be interrupted by the president's speech. They had a lengthy interview. It wasn't interrupted.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:26 | 2529859 Everybodys All ...
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and meanwhile the dictatorship of Obama continues unchallenged ...

the news media simply snickers.  -- Obama 2012,2016, etc. --


Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:57 | 2529996 NotApplicable
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Lemme guess, amnesty given in exchange for registering to vote, as well as opening an account at their nearest Wells Fargo (balance minimums apply).


Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2529861 Likstane
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I'm declaring a free day at your local waterpark next Tuesday.  Tell them Frank sent you. 

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:28 | 2529870 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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Do I need I.D.?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:37 | 2529914 Likstane
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No, but please shower first, and no bath salts.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2529863 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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Good news = bullish

Bad news = bullish (it could be worse + more QE)

Neutral news = bullish (at least it's not bad)

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2529864 101 years and c...
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they have made it vitrtually impossible to short the best shorting opportunity of a generation.  im going to short this slop before the close.  VXX and FAZ.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:55 | 2529988 mammoth mo
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90% in cash the other 10% in TVIX.


My gut tells me it should have fell like a rock yesterday and today.  My gut tells me the people who rigged it don't like my gut.  Therefore the only safe bet is cash which is getting less valuable as the presses run.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 15:11 | 2530363 DavidJ
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What about PMs?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 15:53 | 2530511 blueskies123
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to be able to pump up the markets with the Eurozone going to pieces is a slap in the face ...

markets totally manipulated yesterday and today

There wasn't even a real dip today, just spiked up from the market opening and has kept spiking up on nothing but fumes, rumors and the promise of more QE, LTRO, bank bailouts, and the opportunity for TPTB to give the finger to the rest of the world. 

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:30 | 2529883 Mordan I
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It's so Gold outside. Is it a start of a new Ice Age?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:34 | 2529886 LouisDega
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The markets up? Hmmmmm, Let me confirm this... I will be back

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:32 | 2529889 djbaum741
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banks said to step in. Markets go up. Markets go up banks wont step in. DOES THIS SEEM FUCKED UP or is it me. Short this one...?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:35 | 2529899 resurger
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Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:35 | 2529904 LouisDega
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Yea, Its up alright. 

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:35 | 2529907 Mordan I
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Humanity has gone short on itself. It was bullish for a while but all god things come to an end. :)

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:35 | 2529908 dcb
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well we are right now right at my weekly target top point, it is rather interesting as of course tbt hasn't mimicked the market and gone down instead. I tried to trade this and have done OK over time, but I can't do it anymore. was doing it to hedge my bond portfolio. bond yeeilds are too manipulated so I'm going to hedge with sso and forget about treasures. besides tlt costs too much a share with not bib vol so trading costs become an issue.


there was also a huge anaomaly in eev today where the securty went about 50 cents off baseline and deviated from what it is supposed to mimick on an inverse basis. the rogue algo's doing shit. for some strange reason for less than a minute the bid offe3r spread ran up to about 35 cents. If anyone can explain this manipulation I'd appreciate it. you put a stop out enough to  make sure it doesn't hit. is this the market maker stealing my money, how does this happen

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:57 | 2529992 mammoth mo
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They peek at stops.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:43 | 2529936 Mordan I
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I kissed an Algo and I liked it. Always do it with someone else's. The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many!

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:44 | 2529938 adr
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The weird algo driven pattern in showing up in the market tape again. This kept on showing up day after day last year when volumes dropped way down. A very curios almost timed 15 minute repeating pattern sending the market up .25% each time. There is a huge spike followed by a flat plateau for a few minutes, then a short drop down, and then another huge spike.

This pattern seemed to repeat for about a half hour and then it would take a break only to show up again later in the day. I believed it was the Fed buying baskets of stocks. People called me crazy last year, but now I don't look so crazy anymore.


Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:41 | 2530238 skepticCarl
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"People called me crazy last year, but now I don't look so crazy anymore."

Listen to your peeps.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:45 | 2529947 Quinvarius
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Of course a rate cut is certain.  Their entire banking system is imploding.  Bankers need free money.  Bankers get what they want.  It has nothing to do with the economy.  Just banker needs and desires.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:49 | 2529968 adr
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I gots the monies, the monies mine, I gots the monies.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:47 | 2529959 Mordan I
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In 2008 anyone see the DNA pattern in FX?

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:48 | 2529965 adr
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Hahahahah. Just saw an ad on my screen. $3000 or 0% financing for 72 months on a new Chrysler.


Pretty soon every GM dealer is going to be offering the buy a Chevy truck get a Volt for free campaign.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:03 | 2530013 NotApplicable
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Yesterday my credit union (aka "Ally Financial" (aka GMAC)) was down to 2.39% for 3 years.

Yet their parking lot still has 5-10 new repos every time I go there.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:51 | 2529974 Mordan I
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Well in the UK they want to give everyone around GBP 4500. That should work out well.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:54 | 2530289 viahj
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loan everyone GBP 4500

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:07 | 2530032 aleph0
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I'll take Hogans Heroes anytime over this EUro Comedy , which is really getting boring now.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:09 | 2530045 WineSorbet
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This is all sooooo surprising.  Nothing new under the sun here folks.  The market will continue to rise until the end.  You can't predict the end game but you WILL know it when it's here.  Until then there is only one direction for this manipulated BS. 

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:25 | 2530140 crawldaddy
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so if I got this right.

If consumers spend and jobs get better, market goes up, usa is back baby

If consumers dont spend and jobs dont come back, market goes up, printing is back baby

If europe folds under debt, market goes up, cause it print print print baby


OK I think I got it...

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 15:08 | 2530347 DavidJ
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That is about right! Until it is not!

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:36 | 2530205 Mark123
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advance/decline still very weak considering the size of the move today.  My gut feel is this gets sold into the close...but I am not participating either long or short in this crap.  Leave that to crazy day traders.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:37 | 2530213 bathsalts
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stupid money filling the vacuum of ignorance

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 14:48 | 2530263 Grand Supercycle
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Rally warning continues...

SPX & EURUSD bullish daily charts dominate further.

As mentioned, shorts will be slaughtered next week.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 15:40 | 2530473 Don Levit
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I have been reading for a long time that the stock market outflows have exceeded its inflows.  Does anyone have any figures for this?

If true, how can the stock market rise?

Don Levit

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 17:39 | 2530834 Vince Clortho
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Don, the outflows you reference are probably the "retail" or non-institutional sector.  The Muppets are learning that the stock market is not really a "market" anymore.  It has turned into a wealth confiscation scheme to transfer people's investments to the people who are running the show.

How does the "market" rise?  The Central Bank (the Fed) gives enormous sums of money (outright or through zero interest loans) to the Elite Banking Cartel club membes.  This money is used to buy stocks.

thus, the "Market" rises on very little volume because the Insiders are using this funny Money to buy assets while the money still has some value.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 18:37 | 2530947 Don Levit
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Thanks for your insight.

It seems that this part of the market is not computed in the volume, which I also have read for a long time, has been way down from prior years.

This seems to be a relatively new way to spike the market, through insider loans, as opposed to outright ownership of stock through investing one's discetionary income.  I hope this does not set a precedent, for it appears to be a dangerous potential habit.

Don Levit

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 16:51 | 2530720 trader78
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Markets going to surge Monday

New Democracy and PASOK to win majority

Short squeeze from hell!

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 17:36 | 2530827 earleflorida
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just planting the seeds of destruction --- do it early and do it often,...

its like throwing shit at a wall - eventually the crust of it sticks

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