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As Anger Over Russian Syria Veto Mounts, Putin "Briefly" Leaves Europe In The Cold

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Yesterday we presented why when it comes to Syria, the UN Security Council can forget any attempt at "overhauling" a regime that is a cornerstone for Russian naval presence in the Mediterranean and the middle east. Today, in the aftermath of the UN reminder that it is the world's biggest collection of post-facto hypocrites, not to mention, the world's most irrelevant and ineffectual organization, anger at the Russian and Chinese veto has already manifested itself, as protesters have attacked the Russian embassy in Tripoli and tore down the Russian flag, Al Jazeera reported on Sunday. As Itar-Tass reports, "According to Al Jazeera, the riots staged by the Syria opposition involved Libyans as well. No further details are available so far. None of the Russian diplomats has been hurt in an rally stage by the Syrian opposition in front of the Russian embassy in Tripoli on Sunday, an officer from the Russian embassy told Itar-Tass over the phone. “No one has managed to break into the territory of the Russian diplomatic mission, no one of the personnel has been hurt. All are safe and sound. Although the protesters have managed to tear down the Russian flag,” the diplomat said." Still, the wily occupiers of the Kremlin preempted what they perceived as potential 'displeasure' with Russian tactics to protect its own national interests. Because as Zero Hedge has been reminding readers on occasion, Russia has something that is far more valuable to Europe than the Goldman-alum controlled printing press: it has the world's largest natural gas reserves. Which for a continent gripped in one the coldest winters on record, whose heating infrastructure is based primarily on natgas, and where Russian imports account for 25% of total nat gas, Russia has the upper hand in, well, everything. Which it gladly reminded the world of yesterday. According to the AP: Russia's state-controlled Gazprom natural gas giant acknowledged for the first time Saturday that it "had briefly reduced gas supplies to Europe amid a spell of extreme cold."  Oops... Just a fat finger there, nothing to worry about. Oh, and if anyone forgets that in the Eurasian continent it is Russia who increasingly holds all the cards, Gazprom may "briefly" cut all supplies to Europe, -40 C degree temperatures be damned. Briefly...

More:

Gazprom deputy chief Andrey Kruglov reported to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that the cuts lasted for several days and reached up to 10 percent, but supplies are currently back to normal. Officials in Austria and France, however, have reported cuts of as much as 30 percent, and Italy said supplies were down by 24 percent Thursday.

Naturally, there is a scapegoat:

Russia previously had blamed Ukraine for the shortages, saying Kiev is siphoning off more than its share. Authorities in Ukraine have denied the accusations.

 

The mutual rebukes echoed the previous gas crises, when Gazprom supplies to Europe were cut over price arguments between Russia and Ukraine, the conduit for the biggest export pipeline for Russian gas to reach Europe.

The response chain has been activated => committees have been formed and what not.

The European Commission put its gas coordination committee on alert Friday, but insisted the situation had not yet reached an emergency level as nations have pledged to help each other if needed and storage facilities have been upgraded.

 

Putin on Saturday tried to use the situation to emphasize the need for alternative supply routes bypassing Ukraine, including the Nord Stream pipeline under the Baltic Sea, the first line of which was inaugurated in November.

Unfortunately for Europe, Russia's monopolistic control of its warmth will only increase with time.

Another Russian pipeline, the South Stream, is expected to go online in 2015 to transport Russian gas to Europe under the Black Sea.

 

Putin said the current high demand for Russian gas underscores the need for the new pipelines. Europe gets about 25 percent of its natural gas from Russia, which has the world's largest reserves.

 

"It's obvious today that there is a strong demand for these projects, which both we and our partners," Putin said.

 

He ordered Gazprom to try to meet an increased demand for the Russian gas in Europe, but added that the company's priority should be to satisfy the local demand.

But, but, can't Saudi Arabia supply the missing gas (obviously this is a joke). After all the Saudis are confident they can be the source of all crude supply even if all the members of OPEC and Russia go offline, or so the joke goes. Apparently, the answer is no:

Putin scoffed at the EU's hopes to fill a higher demand for gas

Oh, and before we forget, Russia is also the world's largest oil producer in the world having recently overtaken Saudi Arabia, and second (possibly the) largest exporter. Any questions now who has not only all the trump cards, but all the cards, period?

 

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Mon, 02/06/2012 - 06:01 | 2130002 matrix2012
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Thanks ucsbcanuck for the useful link :)

an eye opener article: "Pipeline Geopolitics: Major Turnaround. Russia, China, Iran Redraw Energy Map"

by Amb. M. K. Bhadrakumar, which appeared at both

Global Research, January 12, 2010

Asia Times - 2010-01-08

 

The inauguration of the Dauletabad-Sarakhs-Khangiran pipeline in early January connecting Iran's northern Caspian region with Turkmenistan's vast gas field may go unnoticed amid the Western media cacophony that it is "apocalypse now" for the Islamic regime in Tehran. 

The event sends strong messages for regional security. Within the space of three weeks, Turkmenistan has committed its entire gas exports to China, Russia and Iran. It has no urgent need of the pipelines that the United States and the European Union have been advancing. Are we hearing the faint notes of a Russia-China-Iran symphony? 

The 182-kilometer Turkmen-Iranian pipeline starts modestly with the pumping of 8 billion cubic meters (bcm) of Turkmen gas. But its annual capacity is 20bcm, and that would meet the energy requirements of Iran's Caspian region and enable Tehran to free its own gas production in the southern fields for export. The mutual interest is perfect:Ashgabat gets an assured market next door; northern Iran can consume without fear of winter shortages; Tehran can generate more surplus for exports; Turkmenistan can seek transportation routes to the world market via Iran; and Iran can aspire to take advantage of its excellent geographical location as a hub for the Turkmen exports. 

We are witnessing a new pattern of energy cooperation at the regional level that dispenses with Big Oil. Russia traditionally takes the lead. China and Iran follow the example. Russia, Iran and Turkmenistan hold respectively the world's largest, second-largest and fourth-largest gas reserves. And China will be consumer par excellence in this century. The matter is of profound consequence to the US global strategy.

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Still wondering now why TheOligarchs' main and the most destructive apparatchiks and their accomplices are even getting more and more abomination drools to conquer this very shiny gem in the Persian Gulf?


 

 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:38 | 2128379 hedgetr
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from Russia, with love :)

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:59 | 2128864 disabledvet
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I was thinking "For Your Eyes Only" myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YMelR8Dyc&feature=player_detailpage
why should CNN have all the war starting fun?!!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:40 | 2128381 sangell
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Russia has the gas until the LNG starts arriving. 2015-2016 should end Gazprom's hold.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:52 | 2128395 Eally Ucked
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Dreamer? From where and if so how much it will cost? Probably oil will come from somewhere too?

Oh, you're thinking about Iran, right?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:18 | 2128444 sangell
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Cove Point, Maryland is one source. Trinidad and the UAE are others. Lots of gas in the world just hard to get by pipeline to markets. Thus the ramping of LNG terminals and shipping.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:31 | 2128462 Eally Ucked
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That's your sources for 25% of gas supply of Europe? First UAE burns oil and gas to get LNG so it doesn't look like viable source at some point, Cove Point? Maybe you have to build 50 of them first and then don't complain about water quality and earthquakes in States.

For now Russia the largest country of the world has to buy a lot of gas from former republics to supply all it's customers and you talk about Trinidad!  

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:47 | 2128497 trav7777
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this dipshit is talking about replacing pipelines with ships?

maybe they'll just bundle up until ITER comes online

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:52 | 2128506 DavidC
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I was thinking of going on holiday to Canada and coming back with oil-sand-soaked rags. A bit bulky but should keep me going for a few days.

DavidC

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:45 | 2128984 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Tar sands, LNG, people need to realize the EROEI is horrible.  And the process to liquify is lengthy and dangerous.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:28 | 2129302 smiler03
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Trav, I disagree with "this dipshit is talking about replacing pipelines with ships?"

The UK has a population of 62 million and is a large consumer of gas.

Since 2006, the UK has received significant natural gas imports through new pipelines from Norway and the Netherlands. A relatively new development for the UK gas market is the import of natural gas in ships in the form of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG). A number of LNG import terminals are under construction, with two new large terminals in Wales due to be completed later this year and further expansion at Isle of Grain near London. Over time, LNG imports could account for 40-50% of total UK supply.

Source: 

"UK gas prices and their prospects in a global gas market looking towards 2020"

http://www.centrica.co.uk/managed_content/newsandviews/2008/pdf/180708_influence_of_oil.pdf

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 22:56 | 2129735 tmosley
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Bitumen can be extracted from tar sands very easily using ionic liquids.  When the heating requirement is removed, your EROEI goes way up.  Should be similar to strip mining coal, but with a somewhat smaller environmental impact.

http://www.matse.psu.edu/news/ionicliquids

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 00:00 | 2129823 trav7777
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you fucking IDIOT.

Ionic liquids like have been shown in ONE experiement in ONE university lab?

But of course, I WORSHIP BALE

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:45 | 2128982 francis_sawyer
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"Cove Point, Maryland" is a canard...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:42 | 2128388 nasty canasta
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Who runs bartertown? Embargo on.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 21:36 | 2129647 Jack Burton
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Putin run bartertown! Embargo ON! Western Europe collapses in a week!

UN fake human rights concerns to get NATO troops on the ground wherever they can find oil wells. Libya civilian protection bombing raids were a simple case of liberating oil for Europe.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:49 | 2128398 Sean7k
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This is a fantastic opportunity to observe the operations of a monopoly outside the protections of the police power of the state. The Europeans have a choice, the Russians cannot force gas sales forever, it is not a protected class. 

Will the Europeans choose another supplier, another method of heating? 

Better still, will this cause other nations to withhold supplies that Russia needs? Like food supplies? 

First, currency wars, now, commodity wars. Kinda makes you want to be more self- sufficient, no?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:00 | 2128412 Eally Ucked
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Ukraine alone with some investment can feed Russia and Europe, at some point Russia may invest there and suddenly friendly gov of Ukraine might want to rejoin empire.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:04 | 2128501 JOYFUL
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Unfortunately, even minor changes to the meterological norm will nullify the natural advantages of Ukraines' chernozem soils, as we saw in the almost disastrous 2010 harvest period.

Given that the same narrow band of temperature\moisture requirements apply to the equivalent chernozem zones of North America's bread basket, the fragility of global food self sufficiency is beyond description. One bad harvest is all that seperates the countries of the [formerly] 'first' world from plunging into a crisis for which there is simply no Euromerikan reference point in living memory(unless some of the victims of the bolshies' genocidal starvation of the Ukraine\or German victims of Ike's retribution are still alive to testify!)

It's no accident that TPTB have been preaching the phony "Global Warming" hoax of the last two decades, while their corporate sidemen are busy buying up huge tracts of semi-tropical crop producing lands in Africa and Latin America....they know what you don't but need to: Europeans will literally be left to freeze in the dark, as the messianic sabbatean maniacs not only work overtime to induce a third world war, but also complete their malicious mission against the Europoid races.

If you have older parents still alive at this point, you need to completely overhaul your financial plans in order to make available the means for them to survive the forthcoming madness: already too many are being forced to choose between food and heating...though the MSM will not report these details, nor the deaths of those who fail to make the appropriate choices.

This is a long, long term plan to defeat and demoralize the peoples of the west, and Russia is neither the villain nor the central player in the drama...they simply suffered their genocide event a century in advance of what is coming to the west.

..[edit] I forgot to mention that the collapse of social security(eg. pension plans and health care programs is an essential part of the plan...and what will make older people completely vulnerable to the machinations of the cabbalists who plot their cruel demise.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:21 | 2128840 Flakmeister
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Phony global warming hoax....

Ummm, so who do you rely on for your scientific understanding of climate? Perchance is it Rush?

And let me guess, you would not be in the conservative white male demographic, would you?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 21:41 | 2129654 Jack Burton
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Global warming is a hoax. It has to be, Rush the fat drug addicted draft dodger says so. The man with a prostitute for a mouth never lies.

That worthless fat fuck 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:23 | 2129765 DaveyJones
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it is crafty isn't it how they got all those plants and animals and water molecules in on the scam. 

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 12:47 | 2130850 JOYFUL
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If y'all are finished with the logical fallacy and misleading imputation gags, I think I spied a question in there ...which I am happy to answer...

http://iceagenow.info/

if you're able to thaw out yur brains enough to take in some new information, you'll find the site a wonderful antidote to MSM misinformation...and your complete misunderstanding of the profile of those who refuse to buy into it!

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 15:49 | 2131428 Flakmeister
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Why don't you wrap a few ganglia around these

FR2011

A layman's version can be found here

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/the-real-global-warming-signal/

And when you are done with that, I recommend

http://www.nature.com/news/at-least-three-quarters-of-climate-change-is-man-made-1.9538

And if you would like to discuss any of these finding, I would be more than delighted to....

PS The only thing I rely on the MSM for is who won yesterday's sporting events....

 And as for your link...

Chew on this:

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_enr_drill_s1_m.htm

I suggest that you stop listening to Right wing blogs for *your* information....

Edit: you might be interested in this

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937801100104X

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 00:57 | 2132982 JOYFUL
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Sorry, that whole right/left false dichotomy leaves me, er... cold...I'll stick with the barrage of meterological data that demonstrates the incipient arrival of a new mini-ice age...I gather your enthusiasm for defending the bogus data of bought n paid for system apparatchiks allows you to skirt around such painful details. Hey, whatever lights yur furnace fella! I'll keep stackin cords!

Your links will be more of interest when you've given up on the whole 'you don't believe in global warming, you must be a Rush supporter' schtick as a substitute for a logical argument against my position...it kind of discredits anything else you can bring to the table.

what the heck is a 'right wing blog' anyways....got any good links? I wouldn't know where to look!

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 12:15 | 2133443 Flakmeister
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You clearly didn't check the last link.... 

BTW, anytime someone points me to a web site that is supposed to convince me of something and it is full of incorrect politically motivated crap... well, what can I say...

As for your barrage of data, did you look at arctic temperatures elsewhere?

Depature of Temperature from Average February 2nd, 2012

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So would you like to discuss the FR2011 paper I linked or not?

Given the statistical correlation between global warming denial and being a conservative white male

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937801100104X

and this very recent paper showing the correlation between low IQ and being socially conservative

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html?ref=mostpopular

I might well be asking too much of you to read and understand the FR2011 paper... but you are welcome to try and and I will help you with any questions....

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 13:10 | 2134267 JOYFUL
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Funnily enough, it was indeed your last link that I DID check out in some depth...and realized that the modus operandi of the warmist clique hasn't changed much since I last looked!

Bury the opposition in a welter of stuff that passes at first glance for heavy scientific lifting, and hope that suffices to skirt around the more empirical evidence available to those with less affinity for head-spinning rationizations on behalf of the corporatization of the environmental movement and the Wall St driven cap n trade scam...

I prefer the more populist, and in this case more common sense material

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100135592/germanys-geo... available...those scientists(although an admitted minority) who put the facts before their pocketbooks are turning increasingly heretical against the warmist theology.

If this were baseball you'd have struck out on your whiffed assumptions ol son...oh, and regarding your amusing notion[incorrect politically motivated crap... well, what can I say...] that anti-AGW is "political" and your schtick is not, I read the perfect way to summarize your situation somewhere today: "When I was a boy growing up, all of my friends' houses had a distinctive smell, except mine."!!!!! Might be best if you say nothing more at all rather than suffer further embarrassment squire.

You're clearly not going to climb down from the mistaken effort to impute an interest on my part in clowns like Limbaugh, so I doubt we need spend more time trying to establish a common ground from which to debate.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 13:20 | 2134300 Flakmeister
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Alright, lets check the strawmen at the door...

Instead let's focus on the real science and not the spin from the MSM or some fringe blog...

Do you dispute the findings of FR2011?

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/6/4/044022

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 15:30 | 2134869 JOYFUL
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Good Enough.

It would be impolitic of me to dispute the 'findings' of such distinguished researchers...it's their interpretative employment of those findings in support of a chosen agenda that is open to dispute.Other researchers of equal credibility are drawing different conclusions -

The end of November 2011 completes 33 years of satellite-based global temperature data, according to John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center (ESSC) at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. Globally averaged, Earth’s atmosphere has warmed about 0.45 Celsius (about 0.82° F) during the almost one-third of a century that sensors aboard NOAA and NASA satellites have measured the temperature of oxygen molecules in the air.

This is at the lower end of computer model projections of how much the atmosphere should have warmed due to the effects of extra greenhouse gases since the first Microwave Sounding Unit (MSU) went into service in Earth orbit in late November 1978, according to satellite data processed and archived at UAHuntsville’s ESSC.

 

Stripping out cyclical activities like El Nino gives credence to a certain set of assumptions for F&R: Christy&Spencer run the numbers and get a lower order of net warming by using a different set of variables, eg. removing volcanic activity - you want to believe your boys are 'more right' because of the slant of their chosen analytic tools, trust me, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it - any more than suffering Al Gore being the inventor of the internet will cause me to stop using it!>!!!

What matters in this whole debate is that kleptocratic korporate interests not be allowed to hijack science in support of a campaign to mobilize their political puppets to impose further constraints on our basic liberties through carbon tax scams. I credit you sir with the intelligence to recognize that as a political agenda. You are free to support or reject it. I have made my own position clear.

I believe I have answered your question fairly - therefore I pose you one in return:

Do you disagree that the over the past 30 years or so, the trend in the satellite observations of the lower troposphere temperature falls below model mean of the climate model expectations for that behavior?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 17:25 | 2135032 Flakmeister
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Could you provide a specific link for your claim re: the lower troposphere? 

I would point out that the UAH data was utilized in FR2011 showed the warming trend. In fact if you read the paper, the UAH was the only data set that had a (barely) statistically significant quadratic term (signifying accelerating warming)

And while you are at it, could you reconcile the observation that the troposphere is warming while the stratosphere is cooling? This is a hard qualitave prediction of CO2 induced AGW.

See http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/msu/nature02524-UW-MSU.pdf

I should note that the above paper also addresses your concerns about the UAH data....

Finally I take it that you have no issues with the results of FR2011, i.e. there has been 0.5 degress of warming since 1979?

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You really need to cut out the extraneous shit that you write (save the cheap shots at Al for your right wing blog friends) .... it does you no favours...

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Edit: seems you have given up..... I have to go now, since I am travelling tomorrow I won't be replying till thursday, assuming that you have not conceded...

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 02:26 | 2137008 JOYFUL
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Dream on!

No concession warranted or forthcoming. It seems I taxed your ability to drop the petty rhetorical flourishes to the limit in the previous post-your concession to talk without unnecessary resort  to 'strawman' arguments is once again abandoned in your haste to fall back on the usual hatchet job of the warmist bully boy.  As I carefully noted for you before, my interest in exchanging data was entirely contingent upon your ability to keep to that minimum standard of civility...terminal fail at this point.

*"given up"?!?!? lol...I realize that it's difficult if not impossible for flat-earth pseudo scientific types to get their heads around this, but some of us live in very different time zones than where you falsely posit the enter of the universe to be!!!!! The untroubled 8 hours of sleep I enjoyed in the meanwhiles gives me the quotient of good humor to be able to laugh at your continued string of wrong assumptions and wish you a pleasant journey on your travels to your home planet Mr. Ambassador!!!! Sayonara Flakster!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 09:11 | 2137370 Flakmeister
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Nice try...

You did not provide a link (as I politely requested), only a claim...

Are you referring to the flawed recent paper by Spencer, you know, the one that the editor of the journal resigned over when he realized that he had allowed publication of paper that failed to meet minimum criteria?

Or are you referring to the Heartland Institute press release that showed up in Forbes last year?

Or is it because you ran into someone that actually knows something about this stuff and was not going to be cowed by your rhetoric....

Or was it that I took your counter point and showed that it was not relevant?

Maybe it was because of all of the above....I can't tell....

I'll give you another chance.... could you please provide the link for your claim or show that my reference does not deal with the issue you raise....

And since you did not dispute it in your last missive, I take it that we agree that the Earth is warming at 0.16 K/decade.....

Next we can discuss the second paper that I linked to from Nature... you know the one that puts a lower limit of 74% on the anthropogenic component of the observed global warming signal....

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v5/n1/abs/ngeo1327.html

 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:03 | 2128415 Quinvarius
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But thats cool.  We don't need to have an economy that produces anything and neither does Europe.  There is absolutely no reason to change course here.  We can just print more money or take out a loan or something.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:04 | 2128418 apberusdisvet
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Russia and China may be the only hope our grandchildren have to prevent the full implementation of the totalitarian NWO.  Who'dathunkit?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:08 | 2128423 frostfan
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Perhaps you forgot the goal of their last alliance together.  I don't think you want that version of the NWO either.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:20 | 2128448 TwelfthVulture
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Really?  I don't see a cunt hair's difference between their NWO and the NWO the US is trying to shove down my fucking throat.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:28 | 2128570 gmrpeabody
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Agreed..., yet so many here seem to celebrate their version of NWO which holds the same in store for them. Go figure.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:12 | 2128434 Peter Pan
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Well you might be right. Two wrongs might cancel each other out.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:30 | 2128465 a growing concern
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Time to go long Montana real estate?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:58 | 2128641 Matt
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Consider applying for citizenship in Turnerlandia.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:06 | 2128420 arcos
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What about an attack on the USS Entreprise by Israel and to blame it Iran afterwards? Pearl Harbour II? Watch this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YpJx5EJuRWc

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:11 | 2128430 frostfan
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Yeah sure, just start making up imaginary future events to justify someone's current hatred to Israel.   Makes sense to um oh yeah other people here.   Lies and imagination go hand in hand on the ZH comment board regarding Israel.  Making a youtube video doesn't make it any more legitimate.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:56 | 2128511 JOYFUL
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what, are you on some kind of 24\7 google alert for zerohedge - israel, with a 200 decibel speaker alert system in your batcage Frosty??? This whole thread has hardly even mentioned your obsession, yet sure nuff, HERE YU BE, like a cuckoo in a swiss clock!

suggestion box: rewire that system so as to alert you to when your freezer fan is acting up: I'm quite convinced now that you never followed my helpful suggestion to get that problem looked into...your ice cream has definitely melted old son!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:17 | 2129047 Goldilocks
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"...tells you when the children are messing with the dial."

Family Guy - Death Has a Shadow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O79UM1cNCI (7:15)

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:00 | 2129145 greyghost
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you go joyful. i thought i was the only one that noticed the israeli trolls surfaced whenever someone mentioned...israel...arab...jew...etc. they crawl out of the woodwork like robots set on attack mode. i don't know who is worse the right wing christians who want to be jewish or the jews?

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 07:02 | 2130039 Disenchanted
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funny you should mention alerts JOYFUL...hasbara, pro-Israel propaganda, and Megaphone

 

Stewart Purvis, Israel ups the stakes in the propaganda war, The Guardian, 20 November, 2006.

 

Megaphone desktop tool - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Megaphone desktop tool is a Windows "action alert" tool developed by Give ... Hasbara fellowships, HonestReporting, and other pro-Israel public relations ...
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:03 | 2128523 john39
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yes its just plain crazy to think that israel is trying to foment war in Iran...  where would anyone get that idea? /s

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:07 | 2128421 kito
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The hot air blown from the mouths of the un can solve europes gas problem...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:09 | 2128424 johnnymustardseed
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The United States has no high ground on UN vetoes.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:09 | 2128425 Peter Pan
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Now wouldn't it be interesting if Russia at the invitation of Iran, stationed a sizeable force in Iran close to the nuclear facility. That would surely stop a US/Israeli invasion and the world could breathe once again.

By why bother, if Iran goes down, the oil price goes up which will suit Russia just fine.

Now, I wonder if China might be the good samaritan and supply a "guard of honour"around Iran's nuclear facility.

In the meantime, Syria is the plan of first choice for Russia.

This is the way they pplay games.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:26 | 2129775 DaveyJones
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neither Russia nor China will stand by if we take Iran. Weird though, I'm relying on those communist dictatorships to save my capitalist democracy.   

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:09 | 2128426 flyme
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Some European nations like the UK have only 8.1 days of gas in storage. They seem to forget winter will make them all eventually capitulate.  (Source; http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2010/01/greg-clark-warns-... & http://www.engineerlive.com/Oil-and-Gas-Engineer/Interview_Opinon/More_U... ).

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:16 | 2128440 Sandmann
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Yes but we have Regulatory Capture in the Wonderful World of fully Privatised Utilities and they don't do anything but jack up rices 30% annually. British North Sea Gas is pumped to Belgium in Summer and stored then sold at inflated prices to the British in winter.

Currently Britain has just 15 days of gas storage against 99 days in France and 122 days in Germany, leaving it far more exposed to disruptions.

http://www.engineerlive.com/Oil-and-Gas-Engineer/Interview_Opinon/More_U...

Britain's plans to increase gas storage run the risk of being left in tatters by the credit crunch. If we are to effectively bolster Britain's energy security, then government and the energy industry need to act now to increase UK gas storage capacity. This means investment measures need to be put in place urgently to ensure at the very least that all of the planned gas storage projects come to fruition. In short, we need to act now to protect the businesses, jobs and families that would be damaged by a gas shortage, and to safeguard national power supplies.

Two major projects have already fallen victim to today's turbulent conditions. Stag Energy issued a warning earlier this year stating how the credit crunch is making it harder to raise the £600m for the Gateway project. And in November last year, storage developer Portland Gas halted plans to build a £500m, 1bn cubic metre facility in Dorset, due to the credit crunch. BNP Paribas are acting as project finance advisors and just recently £9 million funding has been raised primarily for the Portland project.

Schemes are not only being held up by financing problems, but also by difficulties obtaining planning permission from local authorities fearful of their environmental impact.

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/084d21fc-50fa-11e0-8931-00144feab49a.html#axzz...

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/084d21fc-50fa-11e0-8931-00144feab49a.html#ixzz1kqfJaVvQ

But the “big six” energy companies would have to come up with the money – and at present, new gas storage plants are not a good investment. The commercial rationale for building these facilities rests on the assumption that a company can buy gas at low prices and hold it in storage until prices rise and the stock can be sold for a profit.

In the past the seasonal difference between cheap summer gas and expensive winter supplies made storage a viable business in its own right. But the winter-summer differential in gas prices has narrowed sharply in recent years.

In the summer of 2006, gas sold for an average price of 44.9p per therm; by the time winter came in the first quarter of 2007, this had risen to 81.3p, according to figures compiled by the Energy Contract Company, a consultancy. This added up to an attractive price differential of 36.4p.

Since then, however, the summer-winter spread has fallen by about 75 per cent. On 1 March this year, gas prices per therm were only 9.5p higher than the summer average of 2010.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:06 | 2128667 Matt
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It sounds like expanding natgas storage for severe winters is more of a national security issue, rather than a seasonal arbitrage opportunity; as such, it would make more sense for it to be paid for by the government, rather than energy companies.

Credit crunch? But the British can just print the money, right?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:34 | 2128963 Sandmann
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NO. British Governments beklieve in Market Forces which is why gas prices are uncontrolled - as for National Security, they are privatising Army training and Recruiting letting Crapita take over. They have already sold off Military housing.

 

The market will take care of it - any shortage of gas and the price will rise. After all Britain has the highest rate of death of the elderly from hypothermia in Europe.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:10 | 2128428 Sandmann
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This is ridiculous. Russia has a long history of supplying gas to Western Europe and its pipelines operate near capacity although their maintenance is supposed to be less than optimal. There has been a 30% reduction in supplies recently because of the cold winter blowing in from Siberia. Yet German gas companies see no interruption in supplies because they maintain large underground strategic reserves of gas as do most countries bar Great Britain where the Free Market does not keep strategic reserves.

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article13850666/Wegen-Russenkaelte-fliesst...

 

The Eu requires EU states to maintain a 30-day reserve, It is -30C in Russia and the contracts allow gas interruptions to supply Russian customers. They are using 2 billion m3 gas/daily  for the first time ever - In 2011 they delivered 150 billion m3 gas to Europe covering 25% need.

Poland is tapping the pipeline to mmetsits own demand and thereby reducing supplies to Germany

 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:04 | 2129025 imapopulistnow
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Hey you are screwing with conspiracy theories.  Not allowed on this site.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:11 | 2128429 Calmyourself
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Sure shut down al lthe nukes Merkel, the windmills will pick up the slack..  The Euro's along with us Americans surely deserve all that we have coming to us.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:11 | 2128433 ThePhysicist
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Yet, the Greens in Berlin want to shut down Germany's nukes. The electricity flowing from said nukes may be the only warmth the Germans have in years to come, except for burning pig shit which is plentiful and abundant.

 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:17 | 2128443 Eally Ucked
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Even pig shit and wood, whatever left of it, won't help. Nukes will stay there is no choice for many years to come.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:34 | 2128474 css1971
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Pig shit can be used to generate gas too. In fact, my local village have just put in a digester for human and animal waste. Though I think they have it connected up to a gas turbine to produce electricity.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:45 | 2128494 Eally Ucked
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Yes, I know.  China's poors used manure to produce gas for household use for long time but it's not a source for industrial and power generation purposes. We would have to increase shit production manyfold first and then build facilities to gather all that stuff and pipe gas somewhere. I don't think you would find many communities eager to host facilities like that. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:15 | 2128920 tmosley
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WIth economy of scale, it could be.  Sure, there is an upper limit on the amount it can produce, but that is merely the installation of extra efficiency into the economy (ie the energy within would normally go into insects, worms, and heat).  Nothing wrong or impossible about increasing efficiency.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:03 | 2129020 imapopulistnow
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As advanced societies we are talking about going back to pig shit.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 00:02 | 2129826 trav7777
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YOUR PESSIMISM AND INCREDULITY AT HIS STUPIDITY JUST MEANS YOU WORSHIP BALE

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:00 | 2129143 SAT 800
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Did anyone notice how serious the Global Warming problem is this winter? The Germans pay an enormous electric bill every year to France; who have a rational economy; they make electricity with nuclear power plants. Look it up. The Danish, who are even crazier, pay the Germans to keep Denmark going through a giant extension cord on the sea floor; after paving the whole country with windmills. Shoot a hippie today and make the world safe for reality.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:12 | 2128436 Badabing
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OPEC/Petro dollor is crumbling

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:21 | 2128452 arcos
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:11 | 2128539 jimmyjames
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The Petrodollar, Iran, and Gold—What You Need to Know

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The short version of the story is that a 1970s deal cemented the US dollar as the only currency to buy and sell crude oil, and from that monopoly on the all-important oil trade the US dollar slowly but surely became the reserve currency for global trades in most commodities and goods

***************

I wish these authors would produce "evidence" that the USD is the only currency used to buy oil-

Of course they can't because there is and never was such a "deal" other than the benchmark USD world "pricing" agreement-

It is the "most" used currency because the US runs trade deficits with most countries-so-they have to do something with those surplus dollars-besides buying UST-but they can purchase oil in any currency they choose-

*****************

Rumors are swirling that India and Iran are at the negotiating table right now, hammering out a deal to trade oil for gold, supported by a few rupees and some yen.

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Rumors--how long would a gold for oil trade last?

Only until they ran out of gold-or are they going to sell the oil to their citizens for only gold and blow up their own currencies?

Sounds like bullshit to me-

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:23 | 2128454 TwelfthVulture
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I voted for the +100 but got your profile.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:36 | 2128475 Badabing
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Than it worked, a little fake numbers for our fake number world!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:43 | 2128484 francis_sawyer
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You oughtta put up a picture of some midget tranny porn on your profile (just for kicks)... Then, someone who accidentally thought they were were giving you a green arrow would get your profile...

There's probably lots of archived fotos of Geithner or Frank that would suit the need...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:48 | 2128824 Badabing
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LOL

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:12 | 2128437 arcos
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Regarding Iran, there is just ONE big issue: Do they have the Russian S300 ballistic missiles?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:52 | 2128505 Eally Ucked
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S300 is not ballistic missiles system. Google is your friend

 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:19 | 2128447 Sandmann
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Just think if the Czars hadn't sold Alaska in 1867 and the Russians had a border with Canada........and all that oil and gas they could pipe to the US West Coast

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:24 | 2128456 hedgetr
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it was rent my friend. not sale. just r-e-n-t. so, btw, we want it (Alaska) back. noW !!! :))))

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:22 | 2128553 Eally Ucked
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I would say it is a bit more complicated that your simple statement.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:59 | 2128646 hedgetr
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still have memories regarding that infamous bears idle about Red Square

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:03 | 2128657 Eally Ucked
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So you must be one of those oldtimers as me. Good luck!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:21 | 2128449 LetThemEatRand
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Too bad the oligarchs have convinced so many members of the Red Team and the no-taxes aka no-government team that they should become openly angry at the concept of the little guy pooling resources and attempting to develop viable alternative energy sources (e.g., solar, wind, hydrogen, etc).  

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:37 | 2128461 TwelfthVulture
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When I was six, for Christmas I got a RadioShack 100-in-1 electronics kit.  Lot's of cool shit.  One of the cool shits was a solar panel.  That was in the 70's.  Funny thing, 40 years later and umpteen billions of government dollars down the R&D blackhole and the state of solar energy hasn't evolved much past my toy kit.

 

Too bad they don't teach science, logic, and rational thought in the government run schools anymore.

Things are far nicer in your conspiracy laden fantasy world, I'm sure.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:40 | 2128481 Badabing
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That same kit is more valued than collage for me.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:55 | 2128510 LetThemEatRand
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like i said....  go team.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:09 | 2128535 tmosley
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So the fact that the price has dropped from $10/watt (1970's dollars) to $1/watt or less in 2012 dollars isn't progress?

Payback time on these systems has fallen from 75 to a couple of years in some places.

Source for cheap solar panels: sunelec.com

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:37 | 2128592 trav7777
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THEY JUST WORSHIP BALE

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:18 | 2128932 tmosley
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What do you think you are accomplishing with your pointless attacks and purposeful misspellings?

Oh that's right, you have projected your self-hatred on to me.  The tactic of the weakest of men.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 20:17 | 2129557 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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What are you going on about?  He is mocking you because you tell us we worship the ski resort Vale, which is crazy because I haven't skied in years.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 00:04 | 2129829 trav7777
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I am MOCKING YOU, cliff...why are you acting like I am the first fuckin person to ever do it?

I would wager that almost everyone you come into contact does this; you should be used to it by now.

You're a joke, don't you get that?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:27 | 2128727 LetThemEatRand
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And whatever we do, we cannot factor in the cost in lives and dollars of keeping the oil oligarchy in business, e.g., endless wars, aircraft carriers, drones, bases all over the world, etc.  We must not factor that cost into the equation because doing so reveals that oil and gas are in the fact the most socialist form of energy going.   We collect in taxes and spend through the military industrial complex trillions each year keeping the oil barons in control while they tell us that there is no viable option because nothing is cheaper than oil and gas.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:37 | 2129088 SAT 800
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No payback time is not "a couple of years"; you are enumerate. But, of course, this is standard practice for propaganda/ "enthusiasms".

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:26 | 2128721 Matt
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Electricity is too cheap, and the market for solar panels too small. If there was serious demand for solar panels, I would expect to see the giants in the semiconductor field dominating the solar panel market - i.e. Intel.

Since I haven't heard of them dropping $5 Billion on R&D and $5 Billion on a new foundry, they mustn't feel it is worth their investment.

As others have mentioned, the panels are much cheaper per watt, and more watts per square foot. While better batteries now exist, the simple fact is for stationary use, lead-acid is still amongst the most econonomical. Smart Grids are starting to roll out, so hopefully we will see better balancing, turning down the coal plants when the solars are producing, etc.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:44 | 2128808 LetThemEatRand
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It is too cheap so long as we don't factor in the real cost (wars, drones, bases, etc).  It is funny that anti-government/anti-tax people are completely blind to the huge government commitment to the oil and gas industry.   

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:01 | 2129014 imapopulistnow
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Natural gas is a domestic resource.  None of those things play into it.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:20 | 2129299 LetThemEatRand
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Did you read the story?   I think the basic point is that Europe has to say "thank you may I have another" because Russia has it by the balls with their NG.   

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:44 | 2129234 Sandmann
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China dominates solar panels - it has the rare earth metals and it supplies most of the solar panels used - as for Intel, they can do an OEM deal - they do so many

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:35 | 2129083 Calmyourself
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Leave rand alone in his/her alternative universe, where rainbows and unicorns frolic and there are no thermodynamic laws..  Hey Rand, by the way what is the limit for wealth that we should confiscate prior to it being given to heirs ??  Also, we never did find out which union represents your sweat shop labor, bourgouise pig..

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:04 | 2129266 LetThemEatRand
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Nice substantive on topic response, douchebag.  Keep singing the song of the oligarchs.  You never know, you may get to be one some day and then all of your lip service to their advantage will pay off.  More likely not.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:14 | 2128543 trav7777
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hydrogen isn't a SOURCE of energy

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:33 | 2128763 LetThemEatRand
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No, but hydrogen can be produced through renewable resources such as solar farms, wind, etc.   Solar is not viable yet for things like cars, but solar could be used to create hydrogen which could then fuel them.  Or we could keep marching around the world invading oil rich countries while the Red Team reminds us that gas is cheaper.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:56 | 2128848 Flakmeister
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A hydrogen economy is a boondoogle... Hydrogen almost makes corn to ethanol seem practical...

 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:16 | 2129290 LetThemEatRand
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Yes of course, it is a huge technical challenge so we should not try.  I'll bet that for the cost of a single aircraft carrier we could build and develop a means to do it on a large scale.  For the cost of the Iraq war, we could build sufficient public infrastructure to make private entreprise able to take over (all of those zillions of gas stations on the interstate highway system did not exist before the highways were built with public dollars).  But that would mean taking existing government programs that benefit the oligarchs and using the money for the benefit of the people, which would make people like you angry.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:18 | 2129297 Flakmeister
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You really don't have a clue where I come from, do you?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:30 | 2129316 LetThemEatRand
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Yes, you hail from the land of the giant egos and you are always the smartest person in the room (in your mind).  Am I close?  

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:23 | 2129405 Flakmeister
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Nope....

I'm just a foot soldier in the war on irrationality...

 

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 00:08 | 2129831 trav7777
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fuck dude, why not just confront the technical challenge of antigravity?  If you're gonna dream, DREAM BIG

Fuckin you'd "bet" that we could develop "hydrogen" for the cost of an aircraft carrier?  That is so out there it had to be pullled from multiple asses.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:58 | 2129009 francis_sawyer
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Maybe they should start repairing the rusty old wind turbines in San Gorgonio & Altamonte Pass before we start talking about hydrogen, huh?

Got a wrench & a can of WD-40 there Mr. Wizard?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:45 | 2129105 SAT 800
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Maybe they should build one small nuclear power plant in Central California and replace the entire "peak load rating" for the entire California Wind Scam with something that has a 24 hour power rating. This is quite possible; except for the Federal Government.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:50 | 2129114 SAT 800
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We don't invade countries in order to obtain oil. We have never obtained one quart of oil by invading anyone; we do it because we are victimized by the Military-Industrial complex, exactly as we were warned bny President Eisenhower. An ignorant public is either propagandized into going along with the adventure, (we have to "save" South Vietnam); or more recently, during Bush/Cheney, simply ignored.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:56 | 2129133 Flakmeister
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You might want to consider what a "petro-dollar" really means....

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:06 | 2129151 SAT 800
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Okay, I thought about it; and it turns out we still didn't get one quart of oil by invading anyone. Are you stupid; or do you have some other problem?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:35 | 2129208 Flakmeister
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I think that you are the naive one...

So the ability to trade fiat for oil is not worth something?

 

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 16:39 | 2131699 DaveyJones
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most folks who know a lot more than us about this say hydrogen is a negative sum game and or 100 years out. Small problem, peak is now.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:14 | 2129038 Totentänzerlied
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Those non-viable alternative energy sources are all being funded and backed by the government with tax money.

It is contradictory to favor capitalism and oppose entrepreneurship; the latter is an essential and necessary condition for the former (and a really good thing to boot).

You can oppose the way something is done (unethically, by forced wealth-redistribution) and support the thing itself (scientific/technological progress which will benefit everyone). I don't think there is a single person out there who opposes non-oil energy sources in and of themselves as scientific/technological facts. What many oppose is funding doomed-from-the-start central planning experiment boondoggles like Solyndra or corn ethanol with their own money.

Do I oppose funding research on alternative energy via tax revenue? Yes, because a free market would do it better and without forced wealth-transfer, but I still like alternative energy and when something commercial finally comes of it, it will be in spite of your beloved government's misguided attempts "to help".

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:58 | 2129139 Flakmeister
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Absolutely... a level playing field is important...

Lets start by getting rid of all the fossil fuel subsidies.... A first step would be the rewriting the tax treatment of "mineral" resources....

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 16:42 | 2131709 DaveyJones
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you mean dismantle the military? Sounds good.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:21 | 2128451 Minoan
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It will be an interesting week for Europe.

http://www.skystef.be/forecast19e.html

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:33 | 2128473 arcos
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Surreal are also the CEO's of facebook, this Zuckerberg and his honey Sandberg. Funny names indeed!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:44 | 2128486 magpie
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I just hope Susan Rice was posting from her All-American built ipad 2.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:36 | 2128477 GeneMarchbanks
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That is mildly funny for many reasons my friend.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 08:42 | 2130126 matrix2012
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HEY WHY NOT ZHers here PAY A VISIT to this C|A profiling front desk, have some fun there entertaining the sheeples and perhaps slap their mindless heads to get back into sanity! LOL

perhaps those sheeples there who fond of too much kool aid will slowly regain their awareness :)

 

“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.” — Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850) 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:24 | 2128458 css1971
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Currently burning some of that Russian gas just now. If the gas goes out, backups are wood and coal, electric heating.

 What's needed though across Europe is a replacement of the housing stock with Passivhaus levels of insulation. Give it a century or so.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:27 | 2128566 roadhazard
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Heat from a wood burning stove is the worlds most comfortable heat. I've been burning wood for 34 years and I stay toasty in the winter and get exercise too. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:38 | 2128478 tim73
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Bullshit article. In the past western Europe could do without Russian gas&oil just fine. Oil and gas are vital to Russian economy and they are not going to piss off their number one paying customer, Germany.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:28 | 2128521 Eally Ucked
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In the past we used horses as transportation means, we had fireplaces for wood, furnices for coal and our population was probably half of it what we have now. Now we don't have all that stuff, we don't even know how to use things like that, not to mention  where you buy coal even if you have little coal heater?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:10 | 2128666 JOYFUL
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lemme kill two birds with one stone here:

referencing this and your previous post re pig shit;  about 80% of the population in village where I live are burning some kind of wood\charcoal combination-the rest are running various electrical-based heat generating units...even in the nearest major city[of some 3 million] the proportion of same is not less than 40% wood/coal, with the major difference being the presence of piped in NG.

Of the fore-mentioned 80%, probably not one in 10 know what their grandparents generation knew: that dry cow and horse dung are the traditional means of heating the family domicile for millenium of their forebears....

Things have changed quickly. They are about to change quickly again. Those who are going to survive[quite literally...TO. SURVIVE.] will be those who are quickest to embrace the oldest, most outdated forms of heating and feeding themselves...the pastoral model of our forefathers  - horse. cow. chicken. pig. No silicon chips required...no computer controls to confound simple maintenance. When the grid goes, and the fiat ponzi collapses, well, we won't be chatting here, will we?!?

And speaking of outdated....the barbaric relics[gold n silver] will be part and parcel of this antiquitarian movement of self preservation....a legion of smart ass Travesty 777's will die freezing their butts off in painful laughter at all the dupes who refused their helpful "advice."

oh, an speaking of antiquitarians, I had to laugh at Tim's bizarre

"Bullshit article. In the past western Europe could do without Russian gas&oil just fine" quote.

In the past being the operative part of the idea. It may seem from what I've said that I might think we're all eally ucked; but n fact, that is not the case at all - early adopters of antiquated solutions are likely to make out just fine...as for the rest, well, I'd prefer not to comment further.

 

 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:13 | 2128903 Eally Ucked
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I must agree with your point, my only question is how you resolve problem of delivering power to all utilitties you use. I understand in some cases local communities can supply enough power for heating and lighting (with some limitation because then reserve supply won't be available - cost, my girlfriend says you use it or you loose it). What is the solution for big conglomerates. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:47 | 2128495 Reptil
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The dutch and the russians. (there were large-ish gas deposits here, but we sold them for peanuts to Italy, and now it's gone)

brrr frikkin cold today!

http://www.aparchive.com/OneUpPrint.aspx?xslt=1p&showact=results&sort=re...

http://en.rian.ru/world/20090901/155990211.html

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:46 | 2128986 SAT 800
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Maybe we can get Al Gore to turn up the Global Warming. BWA-HAA-HAA.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:09 | 2128533 navy62802
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The new Cold War :-P

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:24 | 2128561 alien-IQ
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Just a reminder: the U.S. has vetoed UN Security Council resolutions against Israel 43 times. Often times, being the sole nation to vote against a resolution...thus, exercising it's veto powers despite the nearly unanimous global condemnation of Israels actions.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:51 | 2128625 loveyajimbo
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Be nice if some politico took the opportunity to replace russian natgas with US natgas... maybe the shipping of LNG would be a bit more expensive, but better that than to be hostages to the scum-licking Putin... Da?

Oh, and my 2 cents:  All muslims should be deported from the US, they are a cancer.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:08 | 2128674 hondaicivic
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I think you should be deported from the US because you're an STD...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:22 | 2128710 Uncle Remus
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All muslims should be deported from the US, they are a cancer.

Well I am certain the American Indians felt similarly about the Christians. Last I heard though, Muslims weren't herding US children off to madrassas to "educate" them and forbidding them to speak English or dress like Americans.

Google "Ramadhan Ibn Wati"

 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:09 | 2128675 Slartibartfast
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What happened to all of the West's poker players?

 

The US used to get dealt two pair ace high every time (with the wild card of military intervention always on hand just in case).

Now they have the big banks siphoning off the big chips, the 'natural' hands have dried up, and they've got Netanyahu and the House of Saud screaming 'all in!' on every hand. Worse than that, the US and Europe now have 'tells' that are about as subtle as a Tourette's sufferer who's run out of meds.

Meanwhile, the Russians and Chinese (and Iranians, it seems) are always holding face cards and have worked out their signals so that they're taking turns folding in each other's favour, denying the West the big pot that'll get them back in the game.

If this was Monopoly, we'd be getting close to the 20th turn with Russia and China holding everything on the back stretch and a hotel on each one. How the hell did it get to this?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:28 | 2128734 Barry Mcokiner
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This is why WWWIII has to happen. Heaven for bid those vodka chugging pricks with too many consonants should have an energy upper hand. Something is going to happen at home, something big, that will justify this. False flag is the only way to get the American people on board.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:34 | 2128769 hedgetr
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sense of humor has been completely lost.... R.I.P

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:50 | 2128994 Zero Govt
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think Americans have had quite enough "false flags" and have got wise to it

what's the plan mate, take on Syria, Iran and Russia???

even the totally deranged US elite know they've bitten off too much to chew this time

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 07:59 | 2130073 matrix2012
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Perhaps TheOligarchs have decided to end all the games totally... RESET first to flatten all... then rebuild again the utopianland with The Chosen People solely (if the so-called land still exists)

Ever heard about the Moonbase? Some chief-lieutenant-to-be just mentioned it not long ago!

 

That's what will happen to humanity if some ruling bloodlines are playing god on earth!!! 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:51 | 2128831 non_anon
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old Russian proverb "anger not he that has gas"

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:52 | 2128835 non_anon
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glitch old Russian proverb "anger not he that has gas"

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:15 | 2128890 Dermasolarapate...
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Good for Europe's GDP....stimulates the sale of blankets, heaters, gloves, etc.

The "Fuki Effect" of destruction and disruption is a powerful GDP stimulator accordiong to some Wall Streeters.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:07 | 2128895 marcusfenix
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oh the outrage...

as if a UN resolution would have changed anything. as Rice so ignorantly put it "any further bloodshed is on their hands" (Russia and China)

why?

last I checked it wasn't Chinese or Russian peoples doing the fighting, at best it's a civil war, an internal conflict between pro and anti Assad forces, but even that is in doubt, and more and more it is looking like yet another "operation export democracy" using foreign mercenaries with foreign interests backed by foreign money. which means that, much the Libya and Iraq, the citizens of Syria are fucked either way.

the thought that a UN resolution crafted and tendered by the very same interests who ruined Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Egypt ect, was going to immediately stop the bloodshed and keep more people from being killed is just beyond naive or ignorant, it's a symptom of systemic social engineering, brainwashing and propaganda.

one would have thought after all the absurd lies that were exposed regarding Libya people would not be so quick to jump back on that particular bandwagon. but here we are again, the media saying that this guy is slaughtering thousands of his own people, yet not offering anything that could be regarded as substantial evidence as to who it is that is actually doing the slaughtering...

and everybody is outraged, but I wonder how many of these outraged tweeters could point Syria out on a map?

remember the "live footage of protests from green square"? you know, the one where the live feed was actually coming from some rally in India, they were even waving Indian flags, but because the people were brown and the flags had green in them, the mass assumed that it was indeed Tripoli.

anyways you would think by now, people would start to catch on to the idea that UN resolutions and mandates crafted by the Globalists, of the Globalists and for the globalists don't save lives, that's not even remotely the point, they advance agendas, and those agendas and the people behind them could frankly give a shit less how many Syrians die in the process.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:49 | 2129342 AnAnonymous
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the thought that a UN resolution crafted and tendered by the very same interests who ruined Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Egypt ect, was going to immediately stop the bloodshed and keep more people from being killed is just beyond naive or ignorant, it's a symptom of systemic social engineering, brainwashing and propaganda.

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It would not have stopped the killing but by experience, it would have culled down the report of the killing.

The free press would certainly dedicate much less headlines to the killing.

Checked in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan...

For US citizens, an unreported killing is a killing that did not happen.

From that PoV, one could state that this would have stopped the killing.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:41 | 2128968 Zero Govt
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"Gazprom natural gas giant acknowledged for the first time Saturday that it "had briefly reduced gas supplies to Europe amid a spell of extreme cold."  Oops... Just a fat finger there, nothing to worry about."

That is funny ..is it Russian laughing gas :))

"The European Commission put its gas coordination committee on alert Friday.."

That is hilarious... what are these Trotsky toads behind EU desks going to do, waffle and windbag louder??

What a pickle Brussels is in ...is there any part of "S t a b i l i t y" that isn't falling apart at the seams!

Popcorn and hankies (for the tears of laughter) ready ..who switched on the EU laughing gas to 'Max' ???

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:40 | 2128976 SAT 800
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Maybe Russian should get a Nobel Peace Prize; they seem to be using a new method of achieving political aims that doesn't involve armies; just freeze people to remind them who not to fuck with.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:46 | 2128987 Zero Govt
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i'm in Germany at the mo and no news of this.. i suspect Russia are releasing 'news' about the threat rather than actually doing it

with Euro politicians already on a knife-edge witn electorates over the shambolic financial farce around the EU the last thing these clowns need is the hint of gas shortages during the heavy cold snap we're in

they must be bricking it ..what a bunch of muppets

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:54 | 2129128 Sandmann
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Go and read Die Welt

 

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article13850666/Wegen-Russenkaelte-fliesst...

 

Energieversorgung

Drucken Bewerten Autor: S. Bolzen und E. Steiner| 04.02.2012 Wegen Russenkälte fließt weniger Gas nach Europa

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:14 | 2129039 ekm
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Just "briefly" though. If Europe doesn't consume that gas who will?

Oh oh, I hear China? Anybody is saying China? With 49c/hr average wage?

Kiss my ass.

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