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Animation: America's Metamorphosis To A Welfare State

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Still confused why there are those who call America the USSA? Don't be. As the following animation from the NYT so vividly shows, government benefits across the US have nearly tripled from a modest 7.8% of all personal income in 1969 to a 'European' 17.6% in 2009. And this before Obama went to town (as a reminder total debt has risen by over $4 trillion under Obama - a significant portion of that has gone to fund social welfare). Thus, we are confident that as of this writing, the government accounts for at least 20% and possibly as high as a quarter of all personal income. One can use any word to describe that transition depending on one's personal political preferences, except for one: "sustainable."

Source: NYT

 


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Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Capitalism is the antithesis of smoke and mirrors.

That's what the OWS crowd doesn't understand. They were on WS with anti capitalism signs because they got bailed out. The losses of the banks were socialized to the public because the government used tax payer dollars to bail them out against the will of their constituents. Under capitalism the banks would have gone bankrupt.

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell.

The United States reflects the pillars of socialism/fascism not capitalism and people don't like it, they are just unable to identify it properly.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Misleading, socialism would mean that the profits of those private institutions would've been also dispersed among the public. That never happened. What you have is corporate fascism ala Musolini.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Re-read the article Tyler wrote.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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What?

Retard, USSA is quirky little soundbite for your trader ADHD. You live in a prison complex and any socialism that exists is corporate, if it takes more minorities getting checks then so be it. It's a side issue in comparison.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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So getting:

Free healthcare

Section 8 housing voucher (basically free house)

WIC

Foodstamps

Assurance Cellphone (free cell phone + minutes provided by the government)

State provided day care for your children

Isn't socialistic? Having the government provide everything for you is what? It's borderline communism if you ask me.

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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It's a drop in the bucket in comparison to the corporate welfare put into place after BWIs were put in charge of Western expansionism. You focus on this as if somehow these people are living the 'high life' of French champaigne socialism and they're simply not. The idea that these people should somehow be a drag on American 'productivity' is totally disengenious. You pick on them because they are an easy target seeing how MF Global is untouchable and Goldman might as well be the fucking Pope of US mammonism.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Stop coming at me with straw man/red herring bullshit. I never said anything about 'high life' of French champaigne socialism.

When the government provides people with ALL their neccesities it is socialism. There are no two ways about it.

And yes it is a drag on productivity because who pays for all the benefits? The government right? Well who is the government? The people. So the government is taking from productive people and giving it to people who now have NO incentive to even look for work and why should they seeing as everything is provided to them anyway.

Same ideology applies to corporations. If the corporations were making shit that people wanted at the right price they wouldn't need government subsidies/tax breaks. But where is there incentive to do that when the government will bail them out? They can make shit no one wants to buy because the government will bail them out ie; solyndra. In this aspect it has undertones of fascism as when private enterprise gets in bed with government that is a defining pillar of fascism.

Lenin wrote that socialism is not more than a stepping stone towards a communist state, and trust me when I say, we have taken a giant leap towards communism.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:52 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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You haven't anything remotely close to Soviet style or Scandinavian socialism. You have corporate fascism in its earliest stages and that needs to be addressed pronto. The fact that some poor people get diapers for their offspring for free is small potatoes.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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You're throwing around the word fascism but I don't think you know the difference between fascism and your ass.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:22 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musolini

Corporatism... check.

Expansionism... check

State Propaganda... double check.

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 18:28 | Link to Comment Xkwisetly Paneful
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Who controls the means of production?

Forget about the armies of regulators- is it the largest consumer, employer, lender, borrower, landlord and tenant in the country or some other entity?

Check, check, check, check epic fail big centralized governance I don't give a shit what you want to label it today for tomorrow it will be called something else tried again and fail again.

 and FTR the only difference between your(google et al) definitions of fascism and communism is a nationalist component which only exists so the left could separate themselves from Hitler. Just like they are trying to separate themselves from the bankrupting of humanity currently as graphically illustrated by the posts.

Stand up and be proud, the big government promoting imbeciles have literally bankrupted most of the  free world including some of the most prosperous places in earth-Chicago for instance is not dead broke from too much military spending-despite the repeated denials on zerobrains.com. Oh those evil banksters, yea keeping banana republics like Greece above water while they coincidently protest bailout while at the same time rioting over living within their means.

 

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:28 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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The only champagne socialist here is you, Gene. I'm going to guess you've never spent much time living in the ghetto in a U.S. city. You underestimate the degree to which wide swaths of the U.S. population are not only *entirely* dependent on government handouts, but you also severely underestimate the impact these government handouts have had on the standard of living of productive people who DO work.

I live in California. The MediCal program, California's version of Medicaid, is extremely generous and it has jacked up healthcare costs like crazy, Pre-MediCal, the situation was such that just about any family with one full-time earner could afford out-of-pocket care. Today, you are completely screwed if you don't have employer-provided insurance or if you don't qualify for MediCal. Doctors won't see you because there is simply no way that a blue collar family can afford to compete with the incredibly generous payouts that MediCal pays out to doctors. It's "ride or die": either you jump on the government-handout bandwagon, or you're locked out of the market.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:40 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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I hear ya. I moved out of California because I hated it that much. I moved out to a coastal region in Virginia and love it.

California is America's Most Hated state:

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/02/california_hate_americans_pol...

And if you want to know why you're paying so much for gas and live in a state run by liberals (like CA) I'll refer you to this map:

http://www.easy-tax-information.com/support-files/gasoline-taxes-by-stat...

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 01:06 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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I'vev been to Virginia.  The weather sucks and it's too close to WDC.

Are you one of the tit suckers too?  That includes private "enterprise" that get their business from the goobermint too like most in Virginia.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:24 | Link to Comment AmCockerSpaniel
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So do you still believe in "FREE TRADE"? Or just how about "FREE" anything? It's just time to pay up.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:55 | Link to Comment gwar5
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I'm up for that but with one difference, Mussolini bullied the corporations. In the current situation I think we have central banks coming out of the shadows and installing their own puppet governments. Tail wagging dog. And the largest institutional owners of key industry sectors, such as the MSM, are the usual suspects from Wall Street who also own the central bank.

We may be seeing a new twist, but agree that a merger of corporate and government is closer to classic fascism. Coercion and force from government is lagging, but not far behind.

 

 

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 19:11 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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socialism is a false narrative because the reality is that all examples in history show socailism as theft on a grand scale and the socialist oligarchs are interchangeable with so called capitalist oligarchs.  its all just a big fucking LIE

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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The trouble with gully is that he doesn't know capitalism from fascism.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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The trouble with gully is that he doesn't know capitalism from mercantilism...

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I'm feeling x-tra lazy today so I'll just cut & paste from Wiki...

"Mercantilism is the economic doctrine in which government control of foreign trade is of paramount importance for ensuring the prosperity and military security of the state. In particular, it demands a positive balance of trade. Mercantilism dominated Western European economic policy and discourse from the 16th to late-18th centuries.[1] Mercantilism was a cause of frequent European wars in that time and motivated colonial expansion. Mercantilist theory varied in sophistication from one writer to another and evolved over time. Favors for powerful interests were often defended with mercantilist reasoning.

Mercantilist policies have included:

  • Building a network of overseas colonies
  • Forbidding colonies to trade with other nations
  • Monopolizing markets with staple ports;
  • Promote accumulation of gold and silver
  • Forbidding trade to be carried in foreign ships;
  • Export subsidies;
  • Maximizing the use of domestic resources;
  • Restricting domestic consumption with non-tariff barriers to trade."

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:52 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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francis_sawyer said:

The trouble with gully is that he doesn't know capitalism from mercantilism...

The trouble with gully is that he doesn't know malapropism from spoonerism.

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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LMFAO...

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:13 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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francis_sawyer's blatant thread hijacking maneuver...

FS blog containing [snarky] 2012 Oscars picks in 6 major categories...

http://fantasy-sports-nation.blogspot.com/

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Everybodys All

Why yes I do Billy and both squeeze the little guy for a bigger guys personal gain.


Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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The trouble with Capitalism is GREED.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:33 | Link to Comment gwar5
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"Of course, communist countries never run on greed, it's always the other guy who is greedy! History is crystal clear...  free market capitalism is the only system, so far as we know, that has lifted civilizations out of the kind of grinding poverty that all the do-gooders say they are so concerned about."  -- Milton Friedman

 

I would hasten to add, governments spending way more than their "fair share" on their cronies is greedy. The state sponsored greed going on in Wall Street is not capitalism, it is fascism. Free market Capitalism is what we do at the local grocery store.

 

 

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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Uncontrolled/unregulated(= GREED) Capitalism leads to where we are now. Communism, Fascism, etc. are there own problems. I live under Capitalism and it has failed.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 18:58 | Link to Comment FMR Bankster
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Moron, once it's tried in this century you may call it a failure if you want. This statist/facist/socialist system we have is as far from capitalism as the earth is from the sun.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Conrad Murray
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http://www.the99spring.com/

Sponsored by the UAW. Your bailout dollars hard at work supporting CommieBama's Social Justice Class Warfare.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:19 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Conrad Murray

"Sponsored by the UAW. Your bailout dollars hard at work supporting CommieBama's Social Justice Class Warfare."

Drank yourself stupid I see. How can a fucking corporatist be a Communist? If anything he would be a Fascist.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Conrad Murray
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I don't care how you pronounce tomato. He's a Statist pig, a traitor. He should be removed from office and tried for treason along with all of the other pieces of shit in DC.

Auto Workers Union To Train 100,000 Protesters - '99% Spring' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZi4a0QYLPY

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Conrad Murray

Like I said drank yourself stupid.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:42 | Link to Comment gtb
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What's your excuse?

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:37 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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Fuck the UAW. They don't give a damn about civil liberties or the fact that this country is turning into a police state. They don't give a damn about our imperialist war policy -- many of them are blind jingoists who see warfare as good for the shop, it's more work after all. They don't give a damn about the structural problems that our economic system faces, or about our long-term debt liabilities. Once they get their 4% raise, an upgrade to their Obamacare-exempt Cadillac benefit plans, and a stronger collective bargaining agreement - they'll put down the signs, forget all about this "American Spring" nonsense and go back to funnelling votes to Obama and 401K money to Wall Street.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:18 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Quibbling over labels is stupid.  They're all totalitarian central planners.  Banksterism is wedded at the hip to Welfarism and the other -isms. The mother of all private corporations are the central banking cartels. Government deficit spending and leveraging government debt has been their lifeblood. Our future labor is their collateral and they will never let any of us go.

 

"...The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.

This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."    -- Alan Greenspan, 1966  (prior to going over to the dark side)


Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Jason T
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Getting off the gold standard was a bad idea.  All the gains in productivity went to bankers and the military industiral complex.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment uno
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best stat is gasoline is at all time low price, it takes only 15 cents/gallon when priced for 90% silver coin (pre-1965)

here are the yearly gasoline prices hrough 2004 - forget about the fake constant dollar column

 http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2005/fcvt_fotw364.html

I did make a mistake by saying cheapest, I did not adjust the 1965 - 2004 gas prices for silver's value, maybe one day.  The point is gasoline is cheaper than most any time, maybe 1980 prices were cheaper (50 dollar silver)

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment jekyll island
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That's a nice chart, thanks.  Gas and Oil prices really didn't start rising until Nixon closed the gold window, eh?  

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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indeed.  It is  'connect-the-dots' game, some people cannot connect them.  OPEC embargo, 1973, a year and a half after closing the gold standard.  Stagnation of the 70's typically blamed on Carter (who didn't fix anything but said some correct things) but due to purely fiat system and negative adjustments throughout economy.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:12 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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The Cloward-Piven Strategy pictorally.

Two competing forces at play; marxism at the bottom and fascism at the top, both squeezing the life out of the middle class.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:14 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Social Security should not be included on the list, we pay into it and BIGOV steals from that fund. I doubt VA benefits should be included either.

I would like to think that people are more discerning as to what beneftis and negatives a true welfare state offers,

Then again sone knee jerk asshole will be along soon with buzzwords like "Ponzi" and "I'm Ayn Rands love child".

What I am NOT seeing listed are corporate perks and tax deductions. Always the genpop getting tarred with the lazt welfare queen brush and never the owners.

Oh well at least the Autumn colors are pretty.

 

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:28 | Link to Comment DFCtomm
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What communists like you don't realize is that all welfare states come to this end sooner or later. You think that if we just do it harder then next time it will all work out. The truth is that once a democracy starts down the entitlement road it leads directly to this map, and the only thing you can affect is the time interval.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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DFCtomm

I love Red Baiting as much as the next guy, but you know we are seventy years past it's haydey.

I get it, it's that hipster ironic thing you got going.


Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Gully Foyle said:

I'm Ayn Rands love child

Your mom collected Social Security.  :)

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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...and, more to our cost, Medicare.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:14 | Link to Comment TrulyStupid
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The newly acquired states are missing.. how about cheques in Iraq, Afaghanistan, Israel. Manhattan should be black.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:33 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Hey Tyler,

Or, get a map and do an animated tracking of all the subsidies and bailouts that corporations are getting. Start from 1969, what the hell. Match it with corporate bonuses while you are at it. Then do a tally of how much social welfare spending govt does on individuals, and how much on corporations. 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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I wish I could pay income tax at a negative rate like GE. Ah, if I only were a person...

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment DFCtomm
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You do know what the earned imcome tax credit is right? It's not just companies that get to go negative. Keep your income low and your reproduction high and you too can go negative.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment hadriansnightmare
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Yeah thats it- tax the corporations till can't pay wages. Corporations just factor tax costs into their model and pass it on to the consumers. When taxes are high they pay lower wages and raise prices- yeah thats the ticket...you'll show them.  The WS banks are criminal organizations- different story-

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 19:55 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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"Hey Tyler,

Or, get a map and do an animated tracking of all the subsidies and bailouts that corporations are getting. Start from 1969, what the hell. Match it with corporate bonuses while you are at it. Then do a tally of how much social welfare spending govt does on individuals, and how much on corporations."

 

Where in that did I say to tax the corporations? My post was about WS and corporate wellfare.

Please don't misrepresent what I said.

Thank you.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 03:39 | Link to Comment Milestones
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Excellent post MsCreant. I too would love to see that info. Too much B.S. has been bandied about on this very issue. Right on.    Milestones

 

P.S.This has been a great posting by Tyler--the views, passions and dialogue have been tremendous

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:17 | Link to Comment uno
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biggest change in the last 10 years is the Ghetto-ization of Middle Age White America, too good for welfare but not SS disability, food stamps, medicaid.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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uno

Dude, you don't know that many poor people right? Poor whites have always been in ghettos. Matter of fact most minorities seem cleaner than poor white, I guess maybe they had pride and whitey lost it.


Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:33 | Link to Comment uno
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What is different is living off the government mentally, white middle age people who are looking at playing the system for retirement, not very poor white young people.  Growing up my family qualified for food stamps, my parents would rather us starve first.  Now I see many middle aged whites opting for SS disabilty first.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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uno

The difference is those people with SS actually paid into it with the sweat of their brow.


Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment uno
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besides SS, there are more opting for food stamps, medicaid or other programs, I am seeing is the atitude change.  You are correct that SS was paid by work, there are some cases which I believe take more than put in (of course inflation not taken into consideration)

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment DFCtomm
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Obviously you aren't familar with SSI.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:18 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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Don't forget the triple dippers.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Whiner
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The voting citizenry of this "lunocracy" have now found the key to the federal treasury and are voting themselves benefits out of the productive sectors income and assets. Problem is of course, there's nothing in the treasury, but debt certificates (and maybe, a comparative smidgin of gold). It may be we have reached the tipping point toward collapse, which I hope will give birth to a new government closer to the republic envisioned by the writers of the Constitution.[I gotta stop tokin this weed!]

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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No need to stop tokin', but it'd be nice if you shared.

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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Due to your last comment, I'm afraid I can not vote you up.   Otherwise I share your sentiments.

[I gotta stop tokin this weed!]

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Half of Americans receive some kind of government grant.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/05/nearly-half-of-households-rece...

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Chimerican
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How many of us are indirect recipients of welfare? I don't get a gov't check but I am sure I benefit from more than defense and public services; although, benefit is a questionable concept. Let's face it, right left, gay, lesbian, whatever, we are all prisoners of THE SCHEME.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Chimerican

"How many of us are indirect recipients of welfare?"

We all are.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Why is our boat sinking?

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 18:55 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Hang in there!

Trickle down is going to kick in any day now!

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 19:55 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Somehow that does not float my boat.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 01:14 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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"Mr. David Stockman has said that supply-side economics was merely a cover for the trickle-down approach to economic policy—what an older and less elegant generation called the horse-and-sparrow theory: If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows." -- John Kenneth Galbraith

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 20:12 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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Because Milton Freidman meant to say "sinking exchange rates" instead of the touted "floating exchange rates" when he convinced Nixon to take us off the gold standard so tricky dick could fund more vietnam. 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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The social safety nets in europe are in severe danger. Over here they are talking about cutting it and going US style. And in the US they are going europe style.... Go figure....

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Sudden Debt

"The social safety nets in europe are in severe danger. Over here they are talking about cutting it and going US style. And in the US they are going europe style.... Go figure...."

I think it was Gary Allen who pointed out the plan was to lower the Us standard of living while raising that of the rest of the world. For one world government to be effective every nation needs to sit roughly at the same table, each side conceeds something.

I'm always amazed that people don't recognize the obvious.

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment tickhound
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"every nation needs to sit roughly at the same table"

And that's the hook, isn't it?

Recognizing is easy.  Now as for the conceding...

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment tickhound
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The solution is clear... Revise the formula and recalculate excluding food stamps and medicare beginning '09.  Run new animation.  Then, focus on finding and killing bin laden again. 

The recovery could use the boost.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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There is no clear solution to this. The government can't keep doing it. (Read that we can't keep doing it). But when it stops, oh my...Folks won't understand why, they will just know they want theirs and they ain't getting it. 

There is probably going to be a lot of shooting.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment DFCtomm
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You say there is no clear solution, and the very next breath you name the clear solution. You know where it's headed, but you don't know when the trains going to pull into the station.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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I like to think shooting is not a solution, but you are correct, it decides one hell of a lot, as we speak.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:18 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Shooting's been the recurrent solution for mankind's problems since the beginning of recorded history and probably before that too.  It's the ultimate bankruptcy, the reset.  People are the problem.  When enough of them are shot, the problem becomes more manageable for a while, and then it starts over again.  It's the Ultimate Vicious Circle.

"The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but to those who see it coming and jump aside." -- Hunter S. Thompson, The Rum Diary

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Omen IV
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usa has 160,000,000 people it doesnt need over the next thirty years - white and blue collar are off the air

bill murray calls them "compost"

http://www­.reuters.c­om/article­/2012/02/1­0/idUS8252­3190520120­210

without an industrial policy all is lost there is no one who will not be effected - all depends to some degree on disposable income as a source of demand for someone else in USA especially white collar -including doctors and lawyers who depend on level of transactions - velocity - services industry is ready to implode without discretionary income expanding

end WTO & GATT without restrictions - must be revised to comparable wage and regulatory environments / countries or VAT  - the race to $22 per day for six day week 10 hours a day is the only firm ground and the engineers to support them are all there for higher and higher value added - chinese/ cambodia/ vietnam/ thailand / indonesia - are all fluid movement of technical class to support slave wages for instant factories - including eventually aerospace / semi conductors / machine tools to follow

 

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Chimerican
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True enough Serf. That's what progroms are all about.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/02/18/noam-chomsky-crisis-and-hope-th...

From a couple years ago but if watch the last 15 minutes or so, the solutions are outlined very well.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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It's all fkd up I have no answer for any of this.  Macro speaking you pull the plug your talking instant shithole.  The idea of less gov't involvment creating jobs would take years, in the meantime everything goes to hell. I don't think they'll ever go that route but instead keep it together as long as they can before forced collapse. Just imo.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment tickhound
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Yeah, they'll need to keep xbox on as long as possible.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Gunga
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 This type of article distracts people from the truth. Compared to the trillions of dollars given to multinational corporations the American people are left fighting for the crumbs that fall from the bounty that America provides. The money given to international financial services firms far outweighs the money paid to the American people. Most of us pay social security taxes, unemployment insurance and other taxes that we will never see. TARP, and all of the other bank bailout schemes, not to mention the interest free loans the Federal Reserve gives to its chosen ones far outweigh the pittance redistributed to the American people.  Endless war only serves to redistribute more from the people to industry. When government and industry combine to take the fruits of the peoples labor it is fascism.

We should be so lucky to have the government redistribute the fruits of our labor amongst the people. I would rather my tax dollars go to benefit my neighbor than some corporate entity.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Agree. I posted above on the idea that we should chart welfare to corporations while we are at this.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment DFCtomm
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The top 1% buys the votes of the bottom 50%  so they can screw the middle 49%. This is a map of the payment distribution.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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The wealthy Power Elites are the ones that are directly responsible for big government. Big government costs a lot. Big government is the reason we have big spending, big deficits and big taxes. The Power Elites are the ones that select the people in government that have the authority to spend. And those people spend most of the money on the Power Elites that put them, and keep them in government. The Power Elites are the ones that benefit directly from a large military, both from military spending and military conquests.

Your vote doesn't mean shit. It's a waste of gas going to the polls.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment DFCtomm
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So your vote doesn't matter? That's it end of story? You have no ideal what the mechanism is by which your vote is rendered impotent? The vote purchasing of those on the lower end of the economic scale is how your elites ensure your vote doesn't matter.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 18:20 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Total bullshit.

Most of the poorest Americans don't vote.  "Big money" interests render ALL voters impotent by choosing the candidates.  If there are only 2 choices, and both choices are selected by the corporations that fund campaigns, and both candidates are going to enact and maintain the same policies, then NO ONE'S VOTE MATTERS. 

The welfare state is voted for, and it is supported by the same people and institutions that own the big businesses.  Walmart (and GE, and The News Corp, and whoever else you want to name) is hugely successful precisely because so many dirt-poor Americans have some income to spend there.

What you descibe is a real risk, and it has happened in other parts of the world which has an engaged electorate.  But we've set things up here in the USA so that our politicians don't even have to buy votes from the poor.  They just don't matter that much.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 20:16 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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control who the choices are in each party and control the vote, simple.  No small wonder some of the Founders hated political parties.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 22:19 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Most people on the lower end don't vote.  The votes are bought through the MSM, no doubt your vote as well.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the public is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country." Edward Bernays

I would argue with Eddie's use of "democratic".  There's nothing "democratic" about it.  It's brain-fucking-washing.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Chimerican
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I want to be a Power Elite. Can I buy your vote.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment DFCtomm
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I'd ask too much. It's the law of supply and demand. Too many people like feralserf don't think it's worth anything, so they drive the price down.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 23:36 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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How much do you think it's worth?  If I price it higher, will you respect me more?

Only an idiot believes voting means anything anymore, beyond being a device for TPTB to learn how much they need to pay for police protection.

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." – Justice Felix Frankfurter

"The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses." – Albert Einstein

"None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Lenin

"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." - Joseph Stalin

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment EINSILVERGUY
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I'm having trouble following how the american people get crumbs. We have a 3.8 trillion dollar budget. We have spent trillions of dollars on public works projects, welfare, social security , ssi and every imaginable New Deal and Great Society program for over 70 years. What do we have for that money but increasing numbers of individuals who are on the receiving end of something they feel entitled to.  I don't believe the government should be subsidizing any industry but to whine about the injustice of the corporate fraudsters while not owning up to the socialist state is a bit much. The largest recipient of all government largesse has been and always will be the citizenry that expects or takes a handout from the government.  Thats why we are broke.  No one in power can say no and 1 party in particular has paved its way to power by buying votes through redistribution of income. I'm all for eliminating all forms of preferiential treatment. Corporations or Citizenry

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 18:27 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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  What do we have for that money

A society unlike the one in Sri Lanka, since you ask.  Welfare is "civilization" tax. 

Stop feeding people and they *will* start shooting and firebombing.  Most of the cost of welfare can't be properly evaluated because the cost of living in a place where raiders are constantly trying to rob food-delivery trucks or kidnap affluent family-members is very difficult to determine.

Our politicians know this, by the way, and they know they can't currently do much for America's poor. 

That's why even Dubya was glad to sign the biggest entitlement expansion since the creation of Medicare.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 23:41 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Dubya was glad to sing that entitlement expansion, not because of the "benefits" to the proles, but because it enriched his owners in the health care, finance and insurance industries by a huge amount.  That enrichment devasted the SSI/Medicare funds.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:33 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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I'm sure the NYC financial system bleeding the rest of the country dry has nothing to do with this dependence.

/sarc

NYC is the needle and DC is the hand bleeding everyone to death.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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You obviously live in the South or the Mid-West and can't comprehend that both regions have been suckling the government teat for decades. Pop quiz: Which region of the country elected FDR? *Edit: Actually both, but which region of the country was primarily Democratic until the Civil Rights Act?

This map should should shut up a lot of Mid-Western and Southern posters who constantly make fun of "liberal socialist blue states."

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment tickhound
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True.  However, one must take into consideration that we, as Americans, have been conditioned to prefer a particular brand of shit.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Yep, I'm from Oklahoma.

In case you haven't noticed, it's one giant fucking Ponzi where everyone and everything is getting handouts to some degree. This just happens to be biased so people like you who live on the coast can suck their own dick and feel good about it.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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Yes, perhaps I should pull up the map of how much states receive from the Federal government for every dollar they put into the Federal coffers. Then I can suck my own dick and feel even better about it.

There is no bias, there are maps from when W was in office showing that all the red states except for Florida and Texas receive more than $1 for every dollar they put in.

I do hope the Ponzi ends soon and sound money returns. That we can agree upon.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Well, I hope you're not living in NYC or DC then. Am I really suppose to believe that a city the size of NYC is created by productive means alone and not by sucking up loot from other areas? Haha...

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 02:41 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Go screw yourself.  The south didnt want a central authority with the power to pass any of those programs in the first place- since you insisted on it, write the fucking checks asshole so you can feel all warm and fuzzy about yourselves and the size government you want- we damn sure never did and dont now. 

Now be good little Yankee and send money to the indigent idiots in my area so I can contribute to politicians who will dump sand in the gears of the oversized federal government we never wanted at every opportunity. You may extract some of that sand at great expense of time and money, then go pound it up your ass.  As you slide into bankruptcy we'll toast marshmellows on the fires of your cities then hold a barbecue and piss on the ashes.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment philosopherarns
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Christ! What facors in the U.S. are creating an enviroment that influence people to feel ok with accepting welfare.

Are there any infographics on the web that break this welfare down into categories by which programs it is distributed through and how it is given to the people(i.e. is it givin in straight cash so they can buy drugs or cell phones or are they given credits to buy only certain goods).

This clearly shows a ripe enviroment for a tyranicall (is that word) uber dependent society. 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment VelvetHog
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Click the "back" arrow near where it says "2009".  There are links on the left side of the page that break it down by program.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:19 | Link to Comment philosopherarns
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Thank you

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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The worst thing about a future when everyone is working for the government is that income tax withholding will be 100%.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment devo
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George Orwell, bitchez

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Downtoolong said:

The worst thing about a future when everyone is working for the government is that income tax withholding will be 100%.

...and you'll still end up owing the IRS on April 15th.

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:33 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Can I haz cheesburger?

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment devo
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I don't think welfare is the problem. I think the problem is (a) poor "means testing" for welfare (b) using social security funding for wars, etc.

With better means testing and fiscal responsibility, "entitlements" (i.e. programs that we pay for) would be there for those who truly need them. It's the fact that government has used these payments as a tax (and spend) rather than a benefit that's the problem. On principle alone, I don't like welfare, but I also don't like the idea that someone would go homeless because they were born with a mental or physical disability that was no fault of their own, either. The problem with the current system is that lazy cheats manipulate to the peril of those who truly need it.

Eliminate these programs and the homeless rate skyrockets...they'd be everywhere in every city, likely commiting crimes to survive, too.

I think the answer lies somewhere in between...basically shrinking benefits to those who truly need them. Too many people cheat the system. Also, wealthy Americans cheat the tax code even worse, which is something to think about...

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment philosopherarns
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So the root problem is the econmic systems affect on the phycology of it participants? 

It creats an enviroment where the people with money care not about the welfare of other people but only of their own welfare?

Thats a dauting problem to fix.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment devo
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It's definitely complex. I mean, I have internal conflict in saying that a man should give his earnings to another man under any conditions. But at the same time, I have a hard time lacking empathy for those born with conditions/disabilities etc beyond their control. You could make the argument, "then you should privately donate your own money and time to those people"...and that is valid. Again, it is complex. Ideally I'd like a small welfare state with better means testing where the people who truly need it are the ones who receive it, and the society paying for that don't look down upon those people but instead feel good about themselves for helping out someone who's disadvantaged. I realize this is all a pipe dream because government is inefficient and could never run a program that way, and people are selfish so they'd never view their contributins that way.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment philosopherarns
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I agree with all your ideas.

Comming up with a solution would difinitely be complex.

There are some groups of people who are philosophically and logistically looking into other methods of resource distribution and economics which I think may have a better influence on the culture but that is up for debate.

Also going from capitalism or any other current economic system to a tottaly new system is even more complex to figure out.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Not possible.

ALL SOCIETIES ARE CAPITALISTIC. The ONLY difference is who owns/controls the Capital. You don’t really think Communists are trying to get rid of Capital do you? You're either going to live under a Monopolistic Capitalistic Oligarchy, or a Competitive Capitalistic Republic. There aren’t any others.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment philosopherarns
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Not possible? I agree there seems to be a tendency in human behavior that aligns with the principles of taditional capitalism, but to say there is no other system that will work seems to be a position of ignorance. I think I get the point you are making but your explanation does not lead me to believe that anyother system would not be possible, can you explain in better detail?

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 20:48 | Link to Comment Hugo Chavez
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Great.

We dont need any more people thinking they have the solution to all of society's ills, then forcing us to go along wirh it.

At least free market capitalism is voluntary. I wish we could give it a try someday.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 23:47 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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You and I may wish that voluntary free market capitalism be given a chance, but the monopolist oligarchical capitalists, who happen to have most of the money and guns, are unlikely to oblige.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:18 | Link to Comment devo
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@philos

Yeah, which groups are those? I'd be curious to read about it.

My girlfriend just read our exchange and brought up a good point regarding any influx of homeless rate and crime rate, basically saying that would eventually lead to them winding up in prison, which is also a social burden.

Maybe a good reform would be protecting only the disabled and also means testing them better. Personally, that's the group I feel empathy toward. I don't feel much empathy for a mother consciously having more children just to receive a bigger government check, then blowing that check on cigarettes etc. And people should be able to save for themselves, so the retirement component of social security is flawed (govt clearly uses it as a tax).

I mean, my stepfather has worked extremely hard his entire life (he's 60), and he just lost his leg to disease. He's now unable to work. My uncle had severe mental illness and would have gone homeless without assistance. To me there is a big difference between between people like that and someone gaming a system. The cheats are the problem imo. The backlash should be against removing them via retesting and better means testing in the future.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment philosopherarns
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Sorry I dont have a list of links. I have came across a few.

One being the Zeitgiest movement. They are more philosophical then logistical and are lacking some thought on their purpose but I like their dicussions.

 

Sorry to hear about your father. I would glady pay a tax to help your father and also pay a tax to prevent such a disease from a occuring in the future is possible.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:31 | Link to Comment devo
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Also, another fear of mine is the U.S. repeating Nazi Germany's past. That the middle class becomes so burdened by welfare that they open to the idea of eliminating those people entirely. It's another reason I take pause when I read articles like this on ZH, where there is so much animosity. I'd rather see ZH publish a thought-provoking article on how to reform the current system than publish this piece in which folks will gloss over the numbers and feel even more animosity [toward anyone receiving a check].

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment philosopherarns
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I concur

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:07 | Link to Comment DFCtomm
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That's not at all right. As a democracy becomes richer it becomes more caring, but the problem is that it cares with other people's money, and when that run's out it pursues more creative methods. However, the problem is in no way a lack of empathy, but instead how that empathy is expressed.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 17:22 | Link to Comment philosopherarns
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Can you back up this phenomeonon with data? What does it mean when a democracy becomes richer? Are you saying that when a person meets his basic needs he is more apt to help others out?(if so i agree).

Also, so are you saying that there is no lack of empathy in the subculture that is made up of CEOs, Corporation Board Members, Giant Finance Companies, Uber wealthly people?

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment Ham-bone
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Eastern Kentucky (Appalachia) seems to be winning the government sweepstakes...one county w/ 53%+ of all income coming from gov bene's.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment infinity8
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Appalachia, the South, and the Reservations.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:52 | Link to Comment uno
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what is left out of the chart is NY, Connecuit is the worse with Fed reserve, Fed government bailouts and what about the defense contractors, solar company, car company, oil company etc. government welfare queens

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment RiverRoad
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And still they won't dignify the mess by calling it the Depression that it is.  Can't get reelected if you call it what it is.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Coke and Hookers
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This is glorious progress comrades. The people are almost ready to follow the lead of the Party!

Extra vodka rations for all!

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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Go figure,

The statistics are that wealth has been concentrated UPWARD.

Wages have been STAGNANT.

More citizens have been pushed into POVERTY.

And yes, a higher percentage of citizens are ELDERLY.

Should we surprised that a greater PERCENTAGE of the income of the lower classes comes from food stamps and SSI?

The NYT includes Medicare as a "benefit" for its chart (but it is not "income" for most citizens, but largesse for the health care/insurance fraud industry).

How about inquiring into who exactly is getting the "benefits", and what is the overall distribution of wealth and "income"?

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment archon
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I fear that if we're already at 20% - 25%, then we've crossed the bridge, and it just collapsed behind us...  there's no going back now.  I think now the highest priority should be preparing to make sure you can survive the Main Event.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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that was the Bridge to Nowhere

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment VelvetHog
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Let's not forget the biggest category of them all: Corporate Welfare!  Highlighting the money to families is just a distraction to keep the GOP base riled.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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This map misrepresents many things. If it wasn't for the banker bailouts, someone like Snake Plissken would be mayor of NYC right now.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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I don't mind the Social Security and it's associated programs. I don't mind the VA program and associated medical and other resources available. I don't mind the States doing what they can to keep people from losing utilities and freezing over the winter or burning up in summer.

Why not just simply fold the Utilities into the Government because they are mission critical to the Nation? So that the weak, sick and disabled, old and others should not have to wake up each day and worry about the bogeyman in the form of shutoff notices etc.

I DO mind people who try and ride the system. They are the parasites. And I have to say the Government has conveniently filled the SS system with worthless paper IOU's for something that is necessary and need funding by law.

And the raiding apparently continues as the Gov't fights to avoid another Debt Increase prior to Election day.

This is NOT the way to run a Country goddamn it. We little shits are required to balance a budget a month and so too the Government which we hired to balance and pay for a proper budget for all the Agencies each fiscal year.

If the Government cannot do it and the People (Collectively...) are too stupid to understand this, then we are all lost already in the land of imaginary money via Binary form.

I also like to think that Government has also been very compassionate out of necessity otherwise we would have probably suffered a Detroit style breakdown in Society years ago.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment archon
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I wonder what the chart would look like if they included the biggest government benefit of all...  the double-your-median-income government salary and benefits taken by government workers?

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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It would show 60% of civil servants work for the Pentagon, Homeland Security Dept, or the CIA.

It would also show that it is the top-level politically appointed government workers (Department heads and assistants) who are the most grossly overpaid (along with Congress of course).

 

The 60% figure was extracted from info provided at

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_civil_service  

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 20:13 | Link to Comment Xkwisetly Paneful
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Yea except they don't.

22.5million civil servants at all levels,

1.4million are in the military.

that leaves roughly 21million at CIA, Homeland Security et al which is obviously false.

Otherwise good job, takes some serious deluding to actually believe something so far from accurate then to extract it from somewhere and then regurgitate it as fact regardless of how ludicrous it happens to be.

http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml

government from A to Z, thousands and thousands of largely social agencies benefitting no one but the people working for them retiring at 50YO with rollys royce pensions and benefits.

 I can appreciate wanting to pretend otherwise afterall it is academic elite chic.

At some point, figure out how to rationalize much of Europe being dead broke having already decimated their military spending in favor of social spending and despite higher taxation.

Go with this one instead

1976 population 220million

1976 total civil servants 10million

2010 population 330million

2010 total civil servants 22.5million

The military is only responsible for less than 1/2million.

50% increase in population results in 100% plus increase in the number governing.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 22:21 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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"As of January 2007, the Federal Government, excluding the Postal Service, employed about 1.8 million civilian workers."

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service   T

the pointless link YOU provided only connects to an alphabetic list of federal agencies.

The Pentagon (including the Veteran's Administration), the Homeland Security Department, and the CIA employ 60% of federal civil servants excluding the post office.

 

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Xkwisetly Paneful
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Yea a little different between ALL and FEDERAL only and have to exclude the post office all to make a completely erroneous point.

22.5million civil servants in the US.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704050204576219073867182108.html

60% are not employed by the agencies you listed and it is not close.

The  excluding, spinning et al it doesn't matter.

Most of the free world is dead broke and spends jackshit on military which makes your point and the point of the zerobrains crowd that military spending is the problem a joke.

Military spending didn't break the state of California, the city of Chicago, Greece, Spain and others.

 

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 01:31 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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<<Military spending didn't break the state of California, the city of Chicago, Greece, Spain and others.>>

That's not true.  If the amounts that each ultimately contributed to military spending was credited to their balance sheets, they would not be in trouble now.  Greece especially!

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment nah
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this is America what are we supposed to do, dance for money

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Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:28 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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When it takes less labor to produce the stuff people need, how can there be any other possibility except more people not working?   That's what we're talking about -- more people on the dole -- because there isn't any real productive jobs for them.  More paper pushers in goobermint and FIRE is not real productive jobs.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 18:23 | Link to Comment css1971
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There are an infinite number of wants. There are more wants than money to pay for them. If the money is allowed to, it can satisfy the wants, simultaneously providing continued employment.

The nature of money would have to change though.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 20:42 | Link to Comment Xkwisetly Paneful
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When a country effectively doubles its workforce by lets say adding women without an underlying economic necessity, how can there be any possibility except lower wages and less job vacancies?

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment walcott
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more like 80% welfare state if you consider corporate welfare. Definitely 100% welfare when considering petro-dollar arab states that are imploding daily.

Egypt Libya Syria Yemen soon to be the entire middle east and we all know what that means. No more free pita bread helmets.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment tickhound
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I personally believe the problem with the animation is that it is geographical and requires a minimum understanding of map reading...

...And most US Americans don't have access to maps, like the education such as in South Africa and the Iraq and everywhere like such as... They should help the US, and help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we are able to build up our future, for our children.

World Peace, out :)

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment ozziindaus
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I think it's extremely irresponsible how the "institution" entraps these idiots into answering questions they have absolutely no business or capability answering. What they should be asking is something more appropriate like how they got so hot. I would be happy to hear something like .....uhm working out, makeup and the such.

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Once you can see thru the cloud of illusion, your Cerebral Cortex will become extremely active.

 

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