Anonymous Explains Why 2.7 Million Stratfor Emails Were Hacked
Barrett Brown, who has taken on the (seemingly lucrative) role of the public face of hacker group Anonymous, best known recently for breaking into Stratfor's servers, speaks about the logic behind the hacking of 2.7 million email accounts which will likely very soon be made public, in addition to the tens of thousands of credit card numbers and full client details (including home addresses) of Stratfor clients that Anonymous has already released.
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In the wake of the recent operation by which Stratfor's servers were compromised, much of the media has focused on the fact that some participants in the attack chose to use obtained customer credit card numbers to make donations to charitable causes. Although this aspect of the operation is indeed newsworthy, and, like all things, should be scrutinized and criticized as necessary, the original purpose and ultimate consequence of the operation has been largely ignored.
Stratfor was not breached in order to obtain customer credit card numbers, which the hackers in question could not have expected to be as easily obtainable as they were. Rather, the operation was pursued in order to obtain the 2.7 million e-mails that exist on the firm's servers. This wealth of data includes correspondence with untold thousands of contacts who have spoken to Stratfor's employees off the record over more than a decade. Many of those contacts work for major corporations within the intelligence and military contracting sectors, government agencies, and other institutions for which Anonymous and associated parties have developed an interest since February of 2011, when another hack against the intelligence contractor/security firm HBGary revealed, among many other things, a widespread conspiracy by the Justice Department, Bank of America, and other parties to attack and discredit Wikileaks and other activist groups. Since that time, many of us in the movement have dedicated our lives to investigating this state-corporate alliance against the free information movement. For this and other reasons, operations have been conducted against Booz Allen Hamilton, Unveillance, NATO, and other relevant institutions. The bulk of what we've uncovered thus far may be reviewed at a wiki maintained by my group Project PM, echelon2.org.
Although Stratfor is not necessarily among the parties at fault in the larger movement against transparency and individual liberty, it has long been a "subject of interest" in our necessary investigation. The e-mails obtained before Christmas Day will vastly improve our ability to continue that investigation and thereby bring to light other instances of corruption, crime, and deception on the part of certain powerful actors based in the U.S. and elsewhere. Unlike the various agents of the U.S. Government, the hacking team that obtained this information did not break down the doors of the target, point guns at children, and shoot down any dogs that might have been present; Anonymous does not resort to SWAT tactics, and this is simply one of many attributes that separate the movement from the governments that have sought to end our campaign and imprison our participants. Of course, such points as these will not prevent our movement from being subjected to harsher scrutiny than is given to those governments which are largely forgiven their more intrusive tactics by virtue of their status as de facto holders of power in a world that has long been governed in accordance with the dictate that might makes right.
Incidentally, many of us are more than happy to proceed according to that amoral dictate if we find it to be necessary. And, increasingly, we have found it to be so.
Barrett Brown
Project PM
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Metal Gear, bitchez.
This Anonymous crap might as well be called Ananymouse.
Lot's of talk, probably a ton of profit, pay-offs etc.
And look, we take in whatever they say hook line and sinker. Talk abotu a dis-informers paradise.
This is not how disclosure happens. I smell a rat.
ori
kind of like this...
/of-leaking-wikis-and-true-lies/
Well, it's another group under the Anonymous umbrella called SWAG Sec that does this stuff. Most of us just watch, hunt for information or provide tactical operational support. We are a secondary support system, nothing more, we make sure the information get out instead of staying hidden. Occasionally we have to tame some of the more insane members that live on nothing but red bull and meth.
SWAG is slightly more aggressive, they want names and places to hunt tptb. The financial stuff isn't that important to them, out of all the collected groups they are by far the hardest nihilists I've talked with. They simply hate, and I mean HATE the powers that be. It's a little disturbing if they roll through channel which is rare as most live online in deep web under TOR and a dozen proxies.
They are the equivalent of the troll under the bridge we are all warned about as children to not go near. They have their fun but the intent is usually to escalate into something less than benign. They are part of Anonymous as /b/rothers; feral, insane, a complete lack of a moral compass and they seem to be harder to kill than an NYC cockroach, but they have their roll to play starting next week.
" ... a complete lack of a moral compass ... "
Like the matrix machine(s) creating software viruses in order to create virus prevention/control software?
Yeah, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger, right? Tell that to Bradley Manning.
But, thanks for the /r/evolutionary update Dr. Darwin.
As I said, they are nihilists, they coined the term/meme "not a single fuck was given" and they truly believe it.
People have a strange concept of exactly who Anonymous is, but that's the point. Most of it starts from the Chaos Computer club two+ decades ago. If you were online and active in the BBS/FIDO universe and you pirated, you eventually bumped into one of them. Nice guys, you could swap tech ideas, hacking was closer to hardware level, occasionally someone would ask for a hand testing their system or software security. Sometimes even played cards if the BBS in question had more than one dialup line.
The various chapters got setup across the planet in the early 90's and it's was mostly benign. Then script kiddies showed up that wanted to act as the crowbars and swords of the groups because of guys like Kevin Mitnik. Eventually the script kiddies of the 90's became fully grown SWAG Sec members.
You have to understand most of them were pissed that we didn't pull the trigger for kicking over NYSE and NASDAQ, but from the tools we developed the lab results were not good and it would have be a complete bust as far as an OP goes. Our estimations were 40% of the group would have been pulled into the drag net, in addition the banks were shit canning our inside guys in the banks. Still doesn't change the fact that SWAG was pissed off.
Most members were fully aware that if we let them spin themselves into a core group, they would only feed on their own ideas, so most of the groups elected to ask them to stay. Not to keep an eye on them, but to make sure once a member stopped being angry at the universe they had an online group to transition to. It's a fairly cult like group and the membership in SWAG is diverse and global; versus the regional plain jane Anonymous groups, the OPs we take credit for reflect the members in the ranks. We'll hunt child pervs, thieves, knock down scams, we do cooperate with the authorities on this as well.
However as of late, the pedo-ring in DC and hollywood was completely ignored. This of course blostered the SWAG ranks and regular members are becoming increasingly annoyed with the "authorities" ignoring the detective work laid down by a lot of hard working people. We're talking everything from photos, video, emails, letters, poloroids. I understand that the package of evidence delivered to the MSM was just simply ignored.
Can't see how a 56 year old congressman fucking a 5 year old girl, then an 8 year old boy, then a 10 year old boy can be ignored. But that's the shape of things right now. Fucking ridiculous, we had 34 members of congress stone cold with their dicks in kids, and it was completely ignored. To be honest, I've though about joining but I am not done yet with regular background channels. Until those are entirely closed I'm going to keep trucking. Only place I seen anything on it was here and a couple of little back page blurbs in US news.
Otherwise all we can do is store it in the deep web and hide it until something happens that enables justice to be carried out, otherwise, we lose normal and peaceful people to the very seductive call of SWAG.
tips [ at ] zerohedge.com?
Tyler can not release that kind of info.. JP Morgan would get mad at him!
I like this site MsCreant, if the MSM doesn't pick up a story and it's out of bounds in terms of financial news, Zerohedge could quickly go down the Infowars path. We have a our share of batshit crazy, but the site also attracts philiosophers, writers, business people, traders. Besides if you posted the pedo ring stuff, the website would be shut down as everything abotu the situation and the content "obtained" from the ring itself is vile.
The Tylers and the readers here deserve ZH, myself included in that. Anonymous will keep shoving it down MSM mouths until we find someone that's pissed and prints it all over the front page. The human condition is fairly predictable and finding someone with a grudge in the MSM will eventually pay off by the power of large numbers.
The kiddie abuse by the congress members is used to blackmail them by really evil people, the ones who actually run the country.They kill anyone who screws up their plans....asap.I can't emphasize strongly enough how dangerous those bastards are....you would have to not exist to reveal them safely.
I support efforts to unmask them of course.But calling them dangerous is the understatement of the century.They are EVIL.
Cistercian - and who are they - these evil fucks?
Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Hank Paulsen, Jamie Dimon, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Bushes, CIA, Mossad, FNI, HomeLand Security... who who who - a lot here on zerohedge hint that they know, but no one ever provides even a short list or any real evidence.... why... to seem mysterious.... or because it's all fantacy and the very greedy and thus very rich & very evil are really not conspiratorially aligned, but rather synergistically so...?
Or - do they swear allegiance to their old boy networks - when they get inculcated at the Ivy Leagues.... their Skull & Bones and other fratboy networks... - and do those oats of allegiance supercede and wipe out all other allegiances, such as those to their nation, their people, and to principles of justice & freedom for all....?
Who are they?
Stop with the "secrecy", the "mystery", the hints and conspiracy theories - smack the evidence on the table or shut up - or be known to rational readers as conspiracy morons.
I personally have no doubt that the people I mention above are ultra-selfish and immoral cocksuckers - and the funny thing is that the eidence is in the MSM - clear to anyone to read - and obviously the list of evil cocksuckers goes on and on in the US Empire - as anyone can read in MSM articles and books by people like William Black, Jeremy Scahill, Matt Taibi etc etc etc.
However - it is also obvious to me that if any zerohedge reader and or Anonymous or Swag or whomever and whatever groups have any real evidence of specific crimes and evil by US Congress Members and or oligarchs and any of their legions of henchmen - you guys need to provid the evidence - just like Black, Scahil, Taibi et al keeps providing theirs. If you can't or won't - you are morons or trolls.
Bring it on - put it on the table - no more fucking babble from you conspiracy theorists - or shut the fuck up.
Give it to Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone, what a great idea!
That is a good idea actually. He's proven himself as reliable and honest. We were looking for Paul M. Rodrigez from the original Boys Town DC pedo ring since he broke the story in the Washington Post 1989 but we can't find him. Only records of him left are a handful of scanned front pages from the original DC pedo-ring.
But Matt Taibbi is veritably alive and kicking at Rolling Stone and has experience with dealing with government agencies acting baddy.
This would not be the first time such crimes have surfaced.Google the Franklin cover up and conspiracy of silence about boys town.
The story is instructive, to say the least.I really liked the plane crash and attacks and bullying of the witnesses in particular.
But I still am no closer to seeing who exactly pulled the strings....which is kind of the point in a cover-up.
Saying that posting evidence is dangerous should be apparent.
I hope it gets posted.
Soon.
...and that is exactly why it's ignored. The fear of Boys Town part 2 reprisals.
Except now it's perfectly legal to make someone disappear with the NDAA, we were attempting to get it out before the legislation passed. SOPA doesn't help either.
I find this hard to believe, not that there are pedophiles in positions of power, or that they have gotten away with it because they are powerful, I just find it hard to believe that there are people who are supposedly on the side of the 'good', who are in possession of such a smoking gun.
How would these 'activists' have gotten these photos? How do they know that they are real?
If the MSM are really in possession of un-doctored photos of Congresspeople having sex with children and they have chosen to ignore this, those people would know that if this ever got out, they would be guilty of child endangerment and the reputation of these 'news' organisations would be seriously compromised.
Wouldn't they try to spin the story instead?
And while I would put nothing past the MSM, there are human beings working there, most of them have children, and very few people would want to be complicit in the harming of children. Wouldn't someone somewhere, have leaked this information to someone at RT, Press TV, or somewhere else? Wouldn't they have, at least, sent these photos to Alex Jones or Benjamin Fulford, even Anne Barnhart?
And wouldn't the 'activists' have started, or contacted other groups, like Mothers Against Pedophiles for example, to start a Truth movement about this, like the Architects and Engineers for September 11th Truth?
I just don't understand how people could possibly possess this kind of 'evidence' and not know how to get it out to as many people as possible. I mean there are so many ways, and if all of those fail, there are always the enemies of your enemies. They could have gotten them to Hugo Chavez for God Sakes!
The doc that was mentioned earlier in this thread...
Conspiracy of Silence (Banned Discovery Channel Documentary).
"Conspiracy of Silence" is a powerful, disturbing documentary revealing a nationwide child abuse and pedophilia ring that leads to the highest levels of government. Featuring intrepid investigator John DeCamp, a highly decorated Vietnam war veteran and 16-year Nebraska state senator, "Conspiracy of Silence" reveals how rogue elements at all levels of government have been involved in systematic child abuse and pedophilia to feed the base desires of key politicians.
So why have you never heard of the Franklin cover-up? Originally scheduled to air in May of 1994 on the Discovery Channel, "Conspiracy of Silence" was yanked at the last minute due to formidable pressure applied by top politicians. Some very powerful people did not want you to watch this documentary.
I -1'ed your comment, because of propaganda of panic.
No they are not. They are as human as the next guy. You want to paint them as undefeatable, but they are not.
Look at what's going on a boxing ring. Instead of hanging heads in pessimism, we should look for vulnerabilities and stay positive. Size does not matter - determination does.
Bullshit. If there are pictures, all need be done I post them on some image boards. Hell make some zip files and put them on mega download.
If they do exist it's your duty to get them inp the public record.
Give them to Alex jones for example.
That's where the stuff started from. A image board picture surfaced, someone recognized a face, screenshotted, then all hell broke lose.
By image board I mean Onionchan. Not the Orgs.
but that would completely discredit our fine institution (congress)!
Oh, wait, they are already discredited. But what you describe would discredit it to the nth degree. The approval rate of congress is 11%. I wonder how low it has to go before they lose auctoritas patrum and thus legitimacy to rule. Then things will really get interesting.
You see the issue then.
This is about damage control and I'm not talking political capital. The original boys town pedo-ring in DC made a lot of people vanish, now it's story that has vanished except for the handful of wackadoo christains that own the original scans from the news papers. Only place it exists in anyway shape or form is in the blog universe.
OWS was difficult enough trying to keep people from bringing guns. This...I dunno...it would turn a saint to sinner quickly enough.
In short, someone will stop getting paid.
Appreciate all ya'll do. It's nice to know that some hackers are on the people's side.
Thanks, CPL. Your posts make me think twice about movies such as The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and the author's untimely death.
Girl With Dragon Tattoo is unmitigated leftist bullshit from beginning to end. Read Andrew Hamilton's reviews.
The rapes in Scandinavia are virtually 100% Brown-immigrant-rapes-white girl. FACT.
What about going hardcopy? Print papers and stuff them in those free newspaper mailboxes in every major city (even DC has them) that usually are just local real estate listings. Metro stations are full of them. The world will get out. There is always a Woodward or Bernstein who isn't afraid to take on TPTB, either as a public service or ego gratification/awards....doesn't matter why. I think the oft mentioned "threats" are more hyperbole than reality. Woodward and Bernstein took down a sitting President and are still alive today to talk about it.
Fingerprints/hair/spit on materials delivered, printers and photocopiers all have hidden serials burned into every document, prints and video copies as well.
Easier just putting a gun in one's mouth and pulling the trigger. Faster too.
WHOA!
You've got pictures of 34 congressmen having sex with children? I don't doubt there are pedos in congress, but I think you're full of shit about having these pictures (by you I don't mean you personally, but the group). There are dozens of effective ways of getting this information into the public sphere. Send your pics to Tom Coburn, Pat Buchanan, Bay Buchanan, Alan Keyes(!), National Enquirer, Phyllis Schlafly, William Banzai, Tyler, etc. One will get it out. There's no reason aside from political calculation or blackmailing the pedos to hold this information. If you're doing that, your putting more kids at risk letting the pedos stay free.
So you're a player, and I'm nobody, so maybe you could explain it in smaller words.
We're out here with spitballs and plastic swords trying to take down giants. We start telling people about FEDs, CBs, TPTB, and the great Ponzi, and even if they don't look at you like you have three heads, and ask for evidence, you have to go into an eye glazing fifteen minute warm-up dissertation to just try to even explain it.
And you're sitting there armed with a neutron bomb?
Good god man. Do you realize what people went though at Omaha beach? Or Valley Forge? Or Selma? People have died for truth. Not for corruption. Not for a bunch of oligarchs. And sure as hell not for a bunch of pedi-freaks. What, you're going to wait until the internet kill switch is complete then decide to do something? Or is the plan to play the leverage game? If so, then you've already delivered one hell of a lever straight into the hands of the same damn corrupt incestuous deviants you're against. what do you think they're buying with that information?
The MSM might bury it, but there are just toooo many avenues on the internet. Words can be dismissed, but photos? they would be unstoppable. The MSM buried the "weiner" story, until people saw the offending "member" with their own eyes. And then, all the kings spinmeisters could'ld save him.
step up. push the button.
Well, with the fast growing traction getting efforts to RECALL ALL SENATORS AND CONGRESS that voted on the NDAA, it would be a good tip to the groups involved to expose.
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16581
http://goooh.com/home.aspx
http://jonathanturley.org/2011/12/26/montana-voters-move-to-recall-senat...
If this is true, then there is no, I repeat no excuse to not release this to the public.
By keeping the records hidden while the "watchers" won't act on it, then you are just as to blame. Our libirties are being completely stripped from us and yet you et al do not expose it?
J'acusse!
It has been delivered, for over a year the OP has run. If it's a bunch of suburban slobs, the MSM picks it up and delivers credit. This one though...next to impossible...until we find someone that's pissed and is in a mood to commit career suicide. and more than likely get black bagged.
There's even a article on ZH somewhere about it.
I have never heard of it, and I troll the image boards. This means that the approach of the op is a ridiculous failure. It is not that difficult to spread something to the public. We all want justice, we just need the ammunition and y'all are falling in this regard.
"the OP has run"
I dare you : I think you're a pretensious little knucklehead - or a troll/FBI/CIA.
"the OP has run" - give me a fucking break.
You think you're so cool, don't you?
I think you're ridiculous.
Who do you think you can impress with your secrecy?
Isn't secrecy what you villify - so why be play secret yourself?
Put up - or shut up.
Get in channel junior.
Meet you on Onionchan.
ever mysterious, huh - the onionchan front page looks like a stealth porn site - but suit yourself...
I think zerohedge is intended as a finance and finance related political philosophy site... i.e. a forum for rational arguments with zero hedges of mystery, secrecy, hinted but unstated insights and other assorted pretensions
like I said - put facts, analysis and argued opinions on the table - and take the nonsense elsewhere or be ignored and knwon as a cook
Still waiting for you to show up.
Here's the address in case you misplaced it.
http://ci3hn2uzjw2wby3z.onion/
server not found
publish your info if you dare - and if not, don't dare publish it - don't publish that you have it.
eureka, I think you need to be on TOR to get to .onion addreses. It doesn't work on the regularz old internetz.
how many non-hackers are part of ANON?
how many non-hacking ANON members dont even realize they are part of the movement?
how many of us are there verse how many of them?
we out number them and their Police Forces.
we just havent figured it out yet.
we just arent motivted enough yet.
I have been waiting for the idiot police to fuck up and gun down a bunch of Children like the Amry Reserves did to the Kent State Students.
I am not alone in waiting for the Government to be so bold as to gun down peaceful children on my watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSU3zqLjXNA&feature=related
I am not the only Southern Man.. who would consider that the act to be the straw that broke the Governments back.
All out war between the Many and the Few is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much closer than anyone here wants to know.
here's a thought.. instead of the police chasing.. imagine the police being chased?
those Bunkers for the Government Lobby Whores are for a reason..
the math of We the People v thier Meter Maids Dressed Up Like Marines has NEVER been in thier favor.
Thusly! Bunkers were built!
and We the People are to fucking stuppid to chase the real people pulling the strings.. only those puppets in Washington DC will be chased down right? WRONG!
maybe the majority of idiots will be chasing T.V. Puppets.. But Not All People will be chasing thier tails.
The Many have Suffer at the Hand of thr Few for TOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING LONG!
and pay back will be sooooo veryyyyy sweeeet.
"we had 34 members of congress stone cold with their dicks in kids, and it was completely ignored"
I dare you and your friends to post your aledged evidence on your own websites - and provide links here and everywhere else you can think of - i.e. stop depending on MSM to distribute your info - i.e. stop being victims of MSM and TPTB.
I guarantee MSM will follow up on such proprietary postings.
And to everyone else who reads zerohedge - AND keeps tapdancing around moral imperatives: who do you think makes you dance...? Evil is evil and must be destroyed - STOP TAPDANCING ALREADY!
Expose and destroy all evil - or be a moral tapdancer - i.e. a loser - i.e. complicit with evil.
I think he is full of shit. I do not doubt that such pictures exist to blackmail these guys. I just doubt their existence in the hands of anon. If they were they would have to be known by the non mainstream by now.
Smells like bullshit. So far hackers, wikileaks etc have delivered an apache shooting kids and that's it.
<<I guarantee MSM will follow up on such proprietary postings. >>
Nonsense! Remember 9/11? How much evidence has been sent to the MSM that has been ignored about the worst threat to Americans' freedoms? People die from being whistleblowers nowadays. They're not rewarded.
Bad example. The 'media' hasn't been preaching about how pure the people in congress are, so they don't have to look like hypocrites, like they do on 9.11.
"the media" deals in fluff - where's the reporting on the daily aerosoling of NATO country skies? weather"men" have occasionally slipped up and mentioned it - where's the investigative story? where's the reporting on GMO related health scares? or even the percentages of GMO grains in the food supply? where's the "media" reports about the new engineered super-flu about to be made known to the science boys? where are the stories - which you can read online - about global biowarfare?
the "media" is cartoons for people who can't turn off the teevee, addicts.
If you want to release it, then get your group together and we will hand it over and you may take full credit but make completely sure you know what you are asking for.
CPL - are you talking to me?
If so - obviously I cannot know what I am "asking for" from you, because you are only hinting at what evidence you possess, of affairs that may be ancient - or do you have evidence of 30 plus current congress members engaging in pedophelia - and if so, why would you "hand it over" to an insignificant zerohedge reader when you could easily copy your info & evidence and mail it to all the world's biggest media outlets including those based in nations hostile to US dominance of their nations and cultures?
You make no sense what so ever. Gobble, gobble. Over and out.
...then come into onion chan IRC and I'll give you the key and location.
You can have it, you seem to have a solid grasp of the situation and the minerals to execute the task.
CPL - You persist in playing at once enlightened and ignorant.
If you are the carrier of secret knowledge why do you not have the courage to reveal it yourself ?
Why do you want some else, who doesn't understand what you are talking about, because you speak in code and strange acronyms, to reveal your knowledge to the world?
You know the freedom-&-truth-loving axiom: IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE WELL - DO IT YOURSELF !
You want the world to know what you know !
Why don't you follow the principle of truth you aledge to serve - publish the info you want the world to see?
Why do you want an uninitiated third party to assume the risk of fulfilling your cause?
Can any man expect any respect and credibility from a veiled and cowardly stance?
Any further gobble gooble from you will remain unanswered - becuase it is revealed as nothing but such.
I detect a distinct lack of minerals. The brother isn't lying. Learn to Tor and then learn to IRC. Google is your friend. Consider this a PSA. You might have to Google PSA too. amirite?
To be really cynical, I would say the very fact these 34 representatives have a dark dossier
hanging over their heads like a damocles sword is the very reason they are still in power.
Imagine the leverage. Nothing could trump that save maybe snuff films or spying for china.
Booz Allen doesnt get hacked by script kiddies. Anonymous is for real. Deal with it Bitchez!
#ANON has had enough.
It is over.
most people haven’t figured it out yet, but it is over.
people will be Jailed!
People will be Killed!
but the cause will march forward.
the reason being is.. there are more Anon's in the World than there are New York City Cockroaches!
We the People have had enough.
The World has had enough.
This shit will not continue!
The Many Shall Not Suffer for the Few!
and! the few shall pay.. so that no few ever again believe the penalty is worth the prize, if I have my way.
so!
Merry Fucking Christmas!
We are Legion!
We Never Forget!!
and We are coming.. so Expect! US!!
suckling from the Tax Tit will be missed I am sure!
the warm lazy feeling of just having to do nothing of any real consequence to over provide for You and Yours, those days are coming to an end.
and ALL! of you who turned a Blind Eye or Participated in the ongoing robbery of the Masses of We the People.. will be found.
those of you who sit on your hands.. hoping to be able to spend you ill gotten gains for participating in the robbery.. we will find you.
Those that have caused harm to the World, caused children to starve while food was destroyed to protect a computer generate pricing model number.. yeah I am looking forward to personally seeing you myself.
the reason I dont care who knows.. is I am not alone.. this is a wave spawned from the depths of the ocean and it simply will go over, under, around and inundate whatever it touches.. and no one can stop it.. not even an internet switch.
The People have suffered enough at the hand(s) of the few.
Happy New Year Bitchez!
How do we know Anonymous, or WikiLeaks (for dat matter mo-fo) are not cyber warfare psyops to nurture the police state goes viral syndrome? Ain't saying one way or another - maybe a lack of trust in anything is the endgame and this post simply affirms your humble narrator is a victim whose head trapped inside the mobius loop of an enormous Orwellian rat cage.
Maybe Wikileak got a tad too much over the brim of "hero worship ale" from the likes of Amy Goodman, Thom Harman and Keith O-wanna-be-one-kanobe? Noting they ain't giving Anonymous any on air blow job (so maybe Anony is a-ok?).
Do we really need Anonymous or Leaks to execute the "take back".
We know dat DHS is the baddest assed internet copyright pirate in the whole of the USA (why ya spose they doing dat?). We know that the pushiest SOPA protagonists are the dress british think yiddish blood suckers of the hollywood elite.
Dear Abby: The question is how to determine friendly from friendly fire. Who is the really real real McCoy and who is a joy boy?
Stuff to consider:
Mesh Networks and Portable Wifi ISPs - when there is no doctor (PDF) - when there is no dentist (PDF) - how to disable Adobe JavaScript (this is how you eat most exploits) - teach brain police how to play polish roulette
The first elemental rule of psychopathy:
Everyone is crazy, except you.
The fact that someone feels that they have to hide, in order to fulfill their dream of exposing the lies of others, makes them no better.
Secrecy (in all forms) is the primary tool we use to attempt to elevate ourselves above others, to build pyramidal social and societal hierarchies that hide the basic fact that we are all born naked, cold, and in abject fear of the life changing event that just flushed us out of our quiet, warm, and comfortable universe...
I'd be willing to bet that the SWAG SEC members of Anonymous are all driven by the compulsive need to prove themselves as superior logic constructors/de-constructors to their peers...
What a sad, sad world to live in...
Self Superiority- the vestigial by-product of Darwinian law, and the first failing of all self aware human beings.
You are absolutely right, douchebagger also known as oh Regional Punjabi.
Disclosure occurs when the USA's previous president for eight years, Bush, didn't even make it through enlisted basic training, then is awarded officer rank by his daddy, and the present speaker of the house, Kim John Boehner, washes out of Navy basic training, then claims to have served in the military during Vietnam when he was first campaigning for the House of Representatives.
Disclosure occurs when the latest Wall Street stooge in the White House, Obama, stands before the American people and consistently proclaims that "the bankers didn't break any laws" --- when anyone with an IQ above a door knob very well realizes they have broken millions of laws and even those civil offenses they have committed, because they are on the level of hundreds of thousands to millions of conspired civil offenses (under UCC), constitute a massive criminal conspiracy!
And all the disclosure on the crimes of torture and warrantless wiretapping, which two-thirds of the American public wanted investigated (according to a 2009 USA Today/Gallup poll), but the present President Obama has refused to do!
What was that you were whining about disclosure, sonny?????
Your history lesson for the day.
1913: In that year, the year know as Rockefeller's Year, four pieces of fraud legislation were passed.
(1) The Aldrich Act, latter to be renamed the Federal Reserve Act (Sen. Aldrich had married into the Rockefeller family and was John D. Rockefeller's son-in-law) which set up 12 credit monopolies, the Federal Reserve System -- who created the money, then lent it to the US Treasury, thusly putting the American government and people in debt to the private banksters. The private banks which own the Fed receive a guaranteed 6% dividend.***
(2) The 16th Amendment, creating the federal income tax, which was created to pay the Federal Reserve the interest owed on the money they lent the US government. (Originally, the federal income tax went directly to the Federal Reserve Bank.)
(3) The oil depletion allowance, which subsidized the oil companies, chiefly Rockefeller's Standard Oil. (But also Morgan, Harriman and Mellon's businesses, etc.)
(4) Tax exemptions for foundations and churches. Foundations, although probably used somewhat for this reason previously, were highly structured through this legislation to be the principal source to hide both wealth and ownership, while avoiding taxation, of the senior plutocrats (supposed to have been structured by Rockefeller's law firm which originally created the holding company structure).
***Thusly, the banksters were subsidized, their oil companies were subsidized, they avoided taxation while hiding the true amount of their wealth and vast holdings. William Jennings Bryan, who was against such a move, was fooled into believing the government would print the money (which it does and pays for, via the US Bureau of Engraving and Printing) without being shown the entire legislation. Robert Owens, the coauthor of this legislation, was connected to the plutocrats as his father was president of the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad.
They should hack the federal reserve and the various MSM then.
Simple. They only hack into bait servers. Engineered honeypots.
Honeypots are usually commandeered to act as spam and bot gateways. Baby IT Sec guys think honeypots are trap, they are the best form of free CPU and bandwidth online. They are over looked as a vector and the folks that run them usually overlook the idea of running a TRA or VA on them plus they are usually loaded to the tits with the software someone would need to turn it into a zombie without too much fuss.
Honeypots, unless you've geared them to viciously attack an intruder are useless, it's just giving away free bandwidth and cycles to anyone with enough time to creep around the backend and change things a bit.
IT security is dead, or at least a red herring, there are four unpatchable holes in every system on the planet that's wired, you patch them, everything stops working. Why are they there? OSI. The commandments of how networking works in seven layers. You can pick up one of thousands of academic papers online that describe how OSI works and the defined risks in every networking stack on the planet.
Fastest I've seen someone in hacking competitions crack four separate platforms is 13 seconds. Most of the time was the person in question taking a sip from a can of pop before they launched their script.
it's the nature of the beast and the wildcard of the future. Everytime I think the current structure(s) give the powers ultimate control, I come up with an opposite conclusion. Weird times, great post
"They have been trying to hack the federal reserve and the various MSM."
Fixed.
You really think this isnt on the agenda?
anything of value is walked to and from stand alones.
info bleed is controled in any form.
everything is compartmentalized or the stuff we would want.
operational info.. who does what.. and systems that operate for execution are things China wants.. not hackers.. we want the files for informational purposes.
the scaned docs.. which were sanitized way back when to begin with..
even if #ANON had the docs from the stand alones.. nothing would be there.. not enough to convict in an open court.
there are NO! complete records..
this is a problem, becuase #ANON like anyone else with a Soul would want Proof.. to be able to provide proof of the wrong doing.
well! thats why there is NO! Paper Trail! there is no Proof!
the intelligence services always have the ability to fall back on OUR! weakness!
Proof or the lack there of!
all of this hot air about kids and congressmen!
show me the video's were are they???????
"They should hack the federal reserve ..."
Now thats the smartest thing I heard (in the last few minutes) here.
Why didn't they?
Because, old clueless old naughty, the real operational and intel action takes place at JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Booz-Allen Hamilton (since the privitization of the American intel establishment), Raytheon, SAIC, Blackstone Group, and the FRBNY - the control element for the Fed -- but essentially the Fed is simply the front office for the bank/oil cartel.
"...which will likely very soon be made public..."
Yawn.
When did I last hear that?
Wasn't Assange supposed to have something on Bank of America way back when?
Although Stratfor is not necessarily among the parties at fault in the larger movement against transparency and individual liberty, it has long been a "subject of interest" in our necessary investigation. The e-mails obtained before Christmas Day will vastly improve our ability to continue that investigation and thereby bring to light other instances of corruption, crime, and deception on the part of certain powerful actors based in the U.S. and elsewhere.
These people at Stratfor may not be the bad guys but we stole their shit anyway because it will probably help us expose real bad guys doing something bad somewhere in the world. When we do find them, we'll let you know (along with a short list of other guys who I would want to play me in the inevitable, blockbuster movie) because only warriors of social justice like ourselves (well, me really) are in a position to make these kinds of big picture calls.
Yup, the amoral dictate is in effect. You're welcome.
Exactly what I was thinking. Two wrongs are now suddenly making a right? Or a great line from Apocalypse Now "What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin?"
Par for the course?
In recent months I have been evolving my understanding of right and wrong. This is, of course, based on the ideas put forth by Locke and Hobbs and many others. So to ponder-
Does government sanction make something right? Or just legal? It could then be said segregation in the south was "right" because it was "legal". I think we all know that it was "wrong" but yes, "legal."
This same test needs to be applied to the people when the inverse of liberty apprehends our goverment and abuses our rights and freedoms while threatening our liberty. Although hacking may be "illegal", in a system where TPTB wont prosecute and protect our liberties the constitution clearly leaves power to the people. Ergo the act is "illegal", however it is "right".
And I prefer this line from the Directors cut: "Who are you?" "I'm next."
Let me know if I can help guys.
James Corbett tapped into this topic not too long ago http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-203-philosophy-of-freedom-natural-law/
The podcast does not (and does not attempt to) provide all the answers, but does pose interesting questions.
It does cement one fact though - that the IRS and the tax code does not satify any one of Fuller's "eight constitutive elements of legality", breaking down what we subconsciously already knew.
To Blankman, also known as douchebagger:
You should contact your congress critter and complain --- perhaps they will take the time from communicating with all those lobbyists who pay them, to respond to you personally?
Mercury and Blankman - you are moral relativists. I will educate you:
"Humility" is an attribute well directed say toward God and true human greatness - but very ill adviced or inclined toward dominant and manipulative - i.e. evil - whether human or otherwise.
"Respect for Privacy" is appropriate in affairs of privacy - but not in matters of crimes.
Stratfor services the criminal elites and henchmen of US Empire - i.e. all the forces who serve and aim for US World Hegemony via the tools of A) global financialization of all asset classes via US FED RES & USD World Reserve Currency Regime backed by B) US Military Empire adn C) Globalism, i.e. outsourcing of all manufacturing and off-shoring of all corporate/elite profits and socialization of all corporate'elite losses - i.e. equal enslavement of all the world's working/serving/minimum-salaried masses.
Stratfor - as elite-serving-propagandist tool - is a legitimate target for total penetration and exposure by any individual and or group who is against US Elite-Empire-Hegemony.
Of course, if you are an elitist wanna-be and or elite cocksucker or elite network member, you will be against any exposure of the elite.
Moral incertitude, vascilation and or fogginess - is what kills the underdog. Every single time. Get over it.
It's fine to take justice in your own hands-- as long as you turn out to be right.
If you turn out to be wrong, then you're just a common criminal.
The problem is, everyone always thinks they know a lot more than they usually do.
So youre saying winners are, by default, correct? No logic to what you're saying. That if you lose a fight for justice, you must have been wrong?
Uh...no. You sure misssed my point. Over a period of over a thousand years, western civilization developed a justice system that is actually pretty well designed to sort out the guilty from the innocent. It doesn't work great, but it's the best system we've got, assuming of course it doesn't get perverted or hijacked. The reason this system was developed was because individual members of society have a very difficult time sorting out truth from falsehood and deception.
When individuals circumvent the justice system, they need to be not just righteous, but actually RIGHT. That is, their judgement must be accurate. Otherwise, you are no better than a common criminal, who does what he pleases regardless of the consequences.
So, you are retarded, or suffering from early onset Alzheimer's, and are completely ignorant of all the crimes committed against the people by the banksters?
You really do need help.....
No he's not retarded it's true that when one is seeking justice, in a system that provides justice, one needs to have morals or they are no worse. But when one has the ability to meet out justice, in an unjust system, then they also have a moral obligation to do so for the benefit of the many.
When justice isn't served on the government, money masters, military and corporate masters that are the largest offenders there is no justice for anyone.
The system may be designed to work great but when it is no longer working because it is restricted by those in control it is no longer a system of justice but oppression and tyranny.
To say "it doesn't work great" when it's already been perverted, as is obvious to so many, is naive or delusional. Nobody is circumventing "justice" when they are being shown there is none.
So those who care nothing about justice, in your world, can always rely on those with morals to bend to the injustices they are controlled with? Most revolutions have resulted from these conditions.
Eureka -
So are you saying that Anonymous is right in this matter? They should take down the whole system and then what? Are you sure you and your counterparts are up for what happens next? As I mentioned to another poster a while back, one of my favorite sayings is "When the going gets weird the weird turn pro." It is people like me who will be in control because we are ruthless cunts who don't care and know how to lead. It has been this way from the beginning of time, computer whizzes will be rendered useless and people with too large of brains will show weakness in their leadership skills. Should Anonymous take down the global capitalist banking gangster cartel and the ultra-uber rich multinational corporations... expect chaos and in that choas truly ruthless cunts will prevail.
"Or a great line from Apocalypse Now "What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin?"
- They lie. They lie and we must be merciful for those who lie.... these Nabobs. I hate them. I do hate them.
How about Congress and loot the fuckers.
My understanding it's fairly complete to the names and address of the next of kin, their children in most case, their parents in others.There is isn't a congressman, MMP, Civil service director or C level excutive that isn't represented in the database.
Now how would you use that information? It's a situation that no good can come from.
Yea figured somebody is trying to find the linkages.
I wonder though, was this done a while ago - or did it all go down this long weekend? Did Stratfor JUST discover and release it / find out via Anon and then let clients know?
And if Anon did this - who is to say some foreign state entity hasn't done it already?
You can go to the silk road and bid on it if you want. Bring gold, bitcoins or drugs to trade. Warning you though, you aren't going to like what you see.
Wondering when having a VPN, Tor and going through 7 proxy servers won't be enough to keep your IP occulted. With unlimited funding for mainframe firepower to do deep packet inspection, anything TPTB can't read will be flagged and "investigated".
You have to understand who runs their infrastructure. We do. There are more doctors on the planet than there are computer engineers. Our career path is about a thousand times less sexy and less paid than a doctor. I know it doesn't seem like it online because we're like the paint on the walls. We are always present online. The people we investigate would be ourselves.
Besides anyone worth their weight in salt wouldn't do their business from home. The VPN. Tor. Proxies are only to keep idle scans at bay, of course you can be caught. If you are a brute online, you make a tonne of "noise". But if you time it with site backups, or database replication, something large enough you get lost in the noise and just "float" along with it. Like a stick in a stream. You just see where it goes. Eventually something floats by and you "grab" it and let yourself enter the "castle" from the sewer drain and keep floating through and record everything while passing through.
Information management as a vocation is full of complete MBA fuckups that ended up taking those six month match book cover programs. You have to understand that they honestly have no clue what they are doing. They talk Sigma nonsense, but haven't the foggiest on the basics of control lists or classification.
"Information management as a vocation is full of complete MBA fuckups that ended up taking those six month match book cover programs. You have to understand that they honestly have no clue what they are doing. They talk Sigma nonsense, but haven't the foggiest on the basics of control lists or classification."
{chuckle} spot on.
Very similar to the cancer (that is Insurance Company centric managed healthcare) that is infecting the medical industry, and preventing the best surgeons and diagnosticians from doing their best work.