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Anonymous Hacks, Records Conference Call Between FBI And Scotland Yard

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Whether this is a real hack, or merely an attempt by the FBI to pursue its own ulterior motives is unclear (especially with the broad media coverage it is getting and the fact that the YouTube recording of the call is still online), but supposedly the Anonymous hacker group managed to enter and record a 16 minutes conference call between the FBI and Scotland Yard. Per AP: "Anonymous published the roughly 15-minute-long recording of the call to the Internet early Wednesday, gloating in a Twitter message that "the FBI might be curious how we're able to continuously read their internal comms for some time now." The FBI said the information "was intended for law enforcement officers only and was illegally obtained" but that no FBI systems were compromised. Scotland Yard said that they'd seen no immediate information that their operations had been compromised - but that the force was still checking. The bureau said that "a criminal investigation is under way to identify and hold accountable those responsible." It's not entirely clear how the hackers got their hands on the recording, which appears to have been edited to bleep out the names of some of the suspects being discussed. Amid the material published by Anonymous was an email purportedly sent by an FBI agent to international law enforcement agencies. It invites his foreign counterparts to join the call to "discuss the ongoing investigations related to Anonymous ... and other associated splinter groups. The email is addressed to officials in the U.K., Ireland, the Netherlands, Sweden and France, but only American and British officials can be heard on the recording." The message contained a phone number and password for accessing the call." The full recording can be heard below and a standalone mp3 can be found here.

More from AP:

Graham Cluley, an expert with data security company Sophos, said that hackers must have been able to eavesdrop on the call because they had compromised the investigator's emails.

 

"The hackers knew the phone number, they knew the time, they knew the passcode," he said in an email. "Even my ironing lady could have rung in and silently listened to the call just like Anonymous did."

 

He said that the fiasco was "highly embarrassing for the cops."

 

"Who knows what other information, the hackers might have been able to scoop up?"

 

An email to the FBI agent who sent the email was not immediately returned, while one of the British investigators on the call referred questions to Scotland Yard's press office, which confirmed that it had an investigator on the call but said it would be making no further comment.

 

The recorded discussion itself appears sensitive. Those on the call talk about what legal strategy to pursue in the cases of Ryan Cleary and Jake Davis - two British suspects linked to Anonymous - and discuss details of the evidence gathered against other suspects.

 

Amid jokes about a teenage hacking suspect and light-hearted banter about McDonalds, the investigators seem to discuss whether to delay the arrest of two hacking suspects in order to give the FBI more time to pursue its side of the investigation.

 

Karen Todner, a lawyer for Cleary, said that the recording could be "incredibly sensitive" and warned that such data breaches had the potential to derail the police's work.

 

"If they haven't secured their email it could potentially prejudice the investigation," she told The Associated Press.

 

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Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:40 | 2123846 LuKOsro
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I was just watching that! 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:45 | 2123878 nope-1004
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Either this is fake and a setup to usher in more censorship laws, or the government is really stupid.

I'm leaning toward the latter, after watching Larry Summers in action in the past.

 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:52 | 2123905 Oh regional Indian
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Seriously nope. Between Wikileaks and Anonymous, all they have done is to irritate. Nothing more.

And ruined the lives of a whole bunch of middle-management tools.

it's time Anonymous brought something to th eground. Or ground something to a halt.

Other-wise, I'll label them psy-ops and a Goobermint creation. 

 

ori

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Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:59 | 2123927 Fukushima Sam
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I wonder how long before the .gov labels these guys as "terrorists" and starts detaining them indefinitely.

And the rest of us who are amused by their antics are then "aiding" the "terrorists".

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:08 | 2123983 a growing concern
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Not long now at all, grasshopper.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:20 | 2124276 Silver Dreamer
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The whole story is absurd.  Any classified conversation would not be going on over an open line.  It's a joke to anyone with experience in the industry.  Who cares if they called in to an open line's conference?  I certainly do not.  The people on the call should not have been discussing sensitive information anyway.  If they were, then I suspect a lot of people are being chewed out right about now.  Now, if they are intercepting emails, that's definitely entertaining.  Again however, anything classified had better be on a classified network, which are fairly hack proof.

I concur about what has been said above about Anonymous.  It's probably at least co-opted if not almost entirely government controlled.  A lot of the stuff they supposedly take credit for definitely plays well into the government's goals to control the Internet after all.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:34 | 2124317 NotApplicable
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Well, it is co-opted (as a brand name) and it isn't (as an institution, since it doesn't exist in that form).

Anybody, and anyone can do anything and call it an act of Anonymous.

So, some dumb things done by "them" will be by provocateurs, or by stupid kids wanting to join in (good ole honeypots), while some smart things "they" do may be real attempts at undermining the criminal-security state, with others being stunts perpetrated for the Hegelian reaction and synthesis stages.

Certainly makes for an interesting battle ground.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:34 | 2124319 Gief Gold Plox
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Sir, I very much agree. Anyone with half a brain would use a secure line. Hell, use Skype it's still 1000x better than an open line. Which leads me to think about why would any serious hacker ever just openly admit to having breached into the FBI without presenting something worth revealing that information many times over? Bragging rights? I seriously doubt that. It would be idiotic at best. Much better to sit back enjoy the show undetected snooping around, building up your power.

Unless Anonymous come out with some heavy secrets that were recorded, which would warrant them revealing their intrusion in the next few days, I'd be willing to bet that it was an inside job, or possibly some dumb script kiddies wanting some attention.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:13 | 2125580 Harlequin001
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If they had managed to hack FBI security the last thing they would want to do would be to tell them about it. Especially if it was your own movement under investigation and you could get the inside drop.

The idea itself is foolish. Either that or Anonymous are...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 17:02 | 2124686 MarcusLCrassus
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"The whole story is absurd.  Any classified conversation would not be going on over an open line..."

 

Remember, this is the government we're talking about.  They are so lazy they can't even bother to get warrants to wiretap anymore. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:33 | 2124314 johnu1978
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:16 | 2124257 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Should read the massive wikileaks dump.

It only proved the direct opposite of what they set out to prove.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:54 | 2123913 Atomizer
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Note date of meeting.

http://pastebin.com/8G4jLha8

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:37 | 2124325 NotApplicable
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1/20

So?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:02 | 2123947 azzhatter
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Did Larry fart on TV again?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:26 | 2124083 BLOTTO
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I agree...

I think Anonymous works for TPTB/EE/Illuminati.

If they wanted Anonymous's messages to stop - they could snuff them out in seconds...

 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:46 | 2124157 Dr. Richard Head
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Your faith and trust in the ability of government entities should have been smothered a LONG time ago.  The idea of an ubber competent government has been shattered by my regular interactions with the automatons.  Add to that the  fact that amount of information these fucktards accumulate is so massive in scale, the amount of analysis required goes beyond the abilities of most propaganda educated vampires of humanity.  Finally, there are so many in the population that are openly and flagrantly poking the bear of government that there are too many fires for them to put out all at once. 

Make no mistake, the facade is falling off of the all-knowing and seeing government for many.  The battles the media publishes where the government is winning in subduing the population are far less than those thumbing their nose at these charlatans.

 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:51 | 2124164 Rynak
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Don't disturb his obsessions/paycheck :-P

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 16:49 | 2124632 tarsubil
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Absolutely. Listen to the call, I'm sure it is legit. That is how all government bureaucrats talk on the phone. It is one big fucking party.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:43 | 2124345 Chuck Walla
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Thank God your medical records are guaranteed safe under Obama care!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:28 | 2124036 Eireann go Brach
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English wankers!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:40 | 2123851 Cassandra Syndrome
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Anonymous are fake. A false flag operation created for the purpose of the classic Problem-Reaction-Solution paradigm.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:43 | 2123863 GeneMarchbanks
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Who cares anymore, fake... real... all the same.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:51 | 2123903 Rodolfito
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You're probably joking, but none of the shit has hit the fan yet, and once it does, fake and real will be seen clearly, and will determine how many millions/billions will die and how, and who will survive.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:45 | 2124151 vast-dom
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agreed. net result: more government fuckery by government douchebags. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:21 | 2124282 Silver Dreamer
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Exactly.  We all know what the solution is too.  We'll soon have an Internet like China's.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:46 | 2123882 Rodolfito
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I have seen evidence supporting that they are fake - it's what I believe.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:48 | 2123891 catacl1sm
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Care to share?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:03 | 2123940 Rodolfito
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like I said further down (my first post on this) is that I don't have the links, but i did find them at one stage, enough to satisfy myself that they were fake. Beliefs do not require proof.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:52 | 2124171 writingsonthewall
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Beliefs do not require proof.

 

That says it all I'm afraid - your belief is worthless to the rest of the world. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:55 | 2123911 dwdollar
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Wrong. Anonymous is a decentralized organization of like-minded people with similar goals. Any organization can be subverted, but it's much harder in decentralized organizations. Of course intelligence agencies are going to release false information to discredit Anonymous. Don't be a useful idiot.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:06 | 2123967 dwdollar
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Or not... maybe I should just say I trust them 100% or distrust them 100% and fall back to sleep like everyone else seems to be doing.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:18 | 2124038 GeneMarchbanks
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It's called apathy. A crucial stage in the five stage process of grieving for humanity. Goes like this:

1. surprise

2. anger

3. epileptic fits

4. apathy

5. horniness

Next up global orgy...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:55 | 2123917 blu
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Since Anon is not something you can point to, it cannot be fake or real. For certain there are "Internet-hostile" elements working under "we are anon" because they are using the framework as a cover. The CIA are anon, by definition mostly, so they are part of it without even liking it.

Really, Anon is just a bunch of people working the Internet who are willing to admit that this is what they are doing. Anyone can be part of Anon, just by saying they are.

And since you asked -- yes. I am Anon. So no, it is not all fake. In fact none of it can be, by definition.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:42 | 2124337 CPL
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Very true,

 

What probably bothers folks like the FBI the most is it is more than likely someone inside the framework of that department.  Breaking a phone connection is simple enough to listen in.  The trick is knowing which call to listen to.

 

Unless they are jackpotting which is useless when talking about phreaking.  Someone inside either Scotland yard or the FBI is acting on their own initiative that knew when the call was taking place.  The selection of those that know how to phreak narrows the scope considerably.  Phreaking is more or less a dead hacking art form, they would be over the age of 40 at least plus have some heavy telco experience.

 

It might seem odd, but when you look at a giant telco  like Bell or AT&T, there might be 100,000 people working there.  But less than 5000 of them do the work, out of those engineers and techs, even less know what copper is used for.  So you cut the pool down to half.  Out of that pool, 90% of those would be 9 to 5ers, clock watchers, stub collectors, what have you.  They don't do anymore or any less to expanding their knowledge of their career.

 

That tiny minority, the guys that can build bombs from gum and a ball of twine are the ones they would look at.  Further narrowing the scope, look for anyone that is directly associated to either call parties and see what anyone would have to gain.

 

Did they get hours cut.  Did someone fuck someone else's wife.

 

The fact that the intruder found a phone call that was useful is suspect in itself.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 16:19 | 2124480 Think for yourself
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There you go, somebody who understands anon. Saying "Anon believes this" or "Anon wants that" or "anon is a false flag" does not make sense, and the last proposition also points to a failure to conceive clearly what a false flag is.

Saying that anon believes something or that it is fake is just like going into a room where some people are discussing and, after listening for a while, attributing their opinions to the air between them. Or stating that the air is fake.

Of course a plant can use that protocol, that communication paradigm in order to create a false flag and to try to assign blame to the Anon non-identity as a justification in the problem-reaction-solution tiptoe towards more totalitarian measures or some such. But let's not conflate the terms so definitely as GP was doing - this only leads to confusion.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:02 | 2123950 Joseph Jones
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That could certainly be the case: "The following needs must be met to counter the recent 'attacks' (words associated with war, turmoil, chaos) by the group known as 'Anonymous':

FBI funding

TSA funding

CIA funding

HSA funding

Military funding, etc, etc, etc...ad infinitum

 

 

Easily predicted with recent talk of military defunding, etc. 

USA has a long history of funding murder of USA cititzens, inventing and financing murderous groups and individuals, etc...including FBI agents and persons in the witness protection program, murdered by organized crime members tipped off by other FBI agents chasing the false god of manna....another rich gold mine is USA financing of alleged 3rd Reich groups in the USA and abroad...paying for such front groups to welcome in and finance persons who light fires and murder...all in the name of the god of DEMOCRACY (Plato positions democracy one short step from fascism). 

Michael Collins Piper has reasonable evidence supporting the claim that both Hillary and Bill Clinton were recruited for and worked for the CIA on-campus, acting as anti-war heroes for the specific purpose to track "radicals" (and later as CIA drug dealers in Arkansas).  The CIA might also have recruited John Kerry in college for similar purposes (though evidence less convincing about Kerry IMO). 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:34 | 2124318 Lore
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Your point is good about funding. Bogeymen are vital to job security. Look how the IPCC is gearing up to raise "Global Cooling" from the ashes of "Global Warming."

It's interesting that the conference call leak is presumed to be cyber-based. Enough said?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:22 | 2124288 CPL
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Dunno about that, but whatever makes you feel better about things.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 16:03 | 2124433 Think for yourself
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Anybody that thinks this hasn't understood squat about anonymous.
Anonymous is just that - anonymous. An undefined collection of netizens discussing in threads that are no more than a series of individual, anonymous posts. Any external definition that tries to assign a more specific meaning is
It's been around for much longer than it has been on the frontpage, and evolved out of timewaster forums. No false flag operation here.
Of course it can be hijacked, exactly just as much as you can hijack random people in the street. But many anonymous members quickly learn to think for themselves since 99.9% of posts come from anonymous sources and statements must stand for themselves without any identification from the author.
So an organized group can devise a plant and try to infect the memesphere with it, but it is only as infectious as potential hosts will let it be. Anonymous, in that way, is just a transmitting device for memes.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:41 | 2123855 catacl1sm
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Shining light on the darkness.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:54 | 2123857 hedgeless_horseman
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Sheffield is nice that time of year.  I wonder if the local eateries and convention hall will be hiring waiters?  Your cream of mushroom, sir?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:07 | 2123975 fuu
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DO.NOT.WANT!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 18:15 | 2125014 slewie the pi-rat
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L0L!!!

maybe a nice creamedSquid ala maisonMorgue?

GAAAaaaHHHhhhh!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 18:15 | 2125015 smiler03
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It's just as well we can't all post pictures. There'd be hundreds trying to outdo a bowl of soup.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 18:21 | 2125035 fuu
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"Apart from seasoning the lobster bisque, he farted on the meringue, sneezed on braised endive, and as for the cream of mushroom soup, well…"

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:30 | 2125082 slewie the pi-rat
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and then...?   and then...?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:56 | 2125687 fuu
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noooo the tune was awesome

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 05:05 | 2126179 slewie the pi-rat
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:49 | 2123870 blu
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Anon would not redact names, is my guess. The FBI would, to protect assets in the field.

So there you go.

As to why the FBI would bother with a release:

1) They don't like someone;

2) They don't like what some other group is doing;

3) They don't like the Internet;

4) They want more authority/power/secrecy/etc.

5) All of the above?

And it doesn't have to be an agency action/decision. Could be a rogue agent or team. If things are starting to fall apart at the FBI you won't have to wait long for worse than this to show up.

Keep yer head down. We've got incoming...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:55 | 2124391 CPL
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The FBI is going into big layoff mode soon, all the intelligence agencies are along with vicious pension cuts.  If that's not reason enough.

 

I would be looking inside the house, not outside.  Anonymous is still busy with OWS operations and with left over time SOPA/PIPA/ACTA.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:44 | 2123873 Rodolfito
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IMHO, and Tyler already suggested the possibility, this is fake, and designed to support future internet lockdown. I have seen some evidence that Anonymous is supported by the elites and even that it was created by them  (don't have links, but its what I believe), just like that loser, Julian Assange.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:52 | 2123874 prains
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backwards is the new forwards #occupythehoipolloi

 

 

 

 

think inside the box

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:45 | 2123875 taniquetil
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Who wants to bet $20 that the password on this investigator's email was something retarded like 12345?

 

Rule #1 of Security: If someone can get a hold of your username and password, nothing can keep them out.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:14 | 2124016 SuSpencer
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Dark Helmet: So the combination is... one, two, three, four, five? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! The kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K95SXe3pZoY

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:41 | 2124333 americanspirit
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I'll see your $20 and raise you - it was probably G-Man, or possibly Hoover'sPanties

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:45 | 2123876 spastic_colon
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remember in the old west when robbers used to split off in different directions as a decoy, it is just done electronically now.  This is a load of BS put out by the FBI......please

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:47 | 2123883 tony bonn
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this is a stunt by the fbi/cia to justify a clamp down on the internet.....

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:54 | 2123916 alien-IQ
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Yep. the fact that it's still on youtube should be all you need to know to prove it's FBI BS.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:58 | 2123934 blu
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Seriously. I don't understand why the entire episode isn't being handled from the start as if it were a setup. But I suppose we'll have 3 weeks of Congressional hearings to sit through now, with every bleeding second filled to the rafters with anti-Constitutional demagoguery .

Funny how that is.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:03 | 2123953 alien-IQ
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No tyranny can survive without the complicity of the mainstream media.

A journalist that asks no questions in the face of questionable behavior by the government is not a journalist, he is a propagandist.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:58 | 2123930 francis_sawyer
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a clamp down on the internet.....

That's like your "mom taking away your best porno mag"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:10 | 2123991 fuu
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As if they need ANY justification to do anything they want at all.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:51 | 2123902 catacl1sm
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If it has classified information then it should have been over a secure line, which wouldn't have been hacked by anonymous.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:35 | 2124118 hedgeless_horseman
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...a secure line...

Does not exist anymore.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:58 | 2123933 Seize Mars
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I don't beileve any of this Anonymous bullshit, not for a New York minute. If it was so bad we wouldn't be hearing about it.

Let them expose the effort to bring war on innocent people, let's have names, proof. Show Obama to be the fraud he is, show Kissinger and Brzezinski to be mass fucking murderers that they are. Then I'll believe.

Remember climategate? That was the shizzle.

 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:06 | 2123966 maxwell2121
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I would bet this was an FBI sting operation, a set up to watch how anonymous entered the system.  Watch, there were be some arrests within 2 weeks. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 18:27 | 2125051 slewie the pi-rat
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if you're right, everybody will think you're a G-man, max_21!

slewie will raise you an iranian!

wtf!  let's set the line, BiCheZ! even money they arrest an iranian w/in two weeks!

and judging from the avatar, max will gladly handle all the action we can send his way!

welcome to zH, max!

  • are you really 21? 
  • are you married?
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:06 | 2123971 Alex Kintner
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Well, Patriot Act makes it legal to wiretap without a warrant, so what's the beef?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:15 | 2124025 headless blogger
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I agree with everyone who is suspicious of this group. It is too convenient. Glad Tyler mentions that at the beginning.

One of the so-called heads of Anonymous was speaking to RT a couple weeks back. They could find you so easy. They are just putting this propaganda out

to spook people that have no background in computers and can't see the inconsistencies in these occasional hits by Anonymous.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:19 | 2124045 Sandmann
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Hell, Menwith Hill will have a full recording anyway

http://www.daelnet.co.uk/features/menwithhill/

 

Just mention the word Echelon

 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:23 | 2124068 Eally Ucked
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What kind of shit is this? I love when they laugh and talking about nothing, if they can hack them just give us something, really important, this nothing, zero, null, zilch. Fuck it!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:36 | 2124069 Widowmaker
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My guess is that someone else in the yard picked up another telephone or the old office intercom was turned on.  In any case, I would wager that this is human idiocy at its confident finest.

The FBI couldn't find their ass in their underwear. That is why all they want you to do is surrender the Internet because they suck.  Notice the punishing investigation because their security is sloppy??

Since February is international change your password month, perhaps the yard should change their bridge PIN's.  I just tried an old corporate pin from 2004 and it worked, so this is more than shit in the yard.  Dialing instructions are in everyone's old Gmail boxes.

This is classic "robbers got in because I left my door open" and the FBI is just making asses of themselves (again!).  Anonymous claiming credit for walking in an open door is lame, and the FBI making a big deal for their stupidity is even more so.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:26 | 2124089 CH1
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I don't know whether Anon is real or fake, but I do know that all the "hackers" have promised far more than they have delivered.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:51 | 2124170 blu
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Well "hackers" delivered the entire Internet. Hackers also delivered the PC. I was there when it happened. Good times.

The term used to refer to someone who liked to hack on or tinker with hardware or create clever little software solutions. Most of Unix is one huge hack, for example. Some of the hardware hacks were really ugly physically, hence the term. Only recently did "hacker" come to refer to someone who broke into secured services. Those guys aren't hackers mostly (though some do have actual skilz) most are script kiddies or social engineers worming their way into other's confidence.

It doesn't matter now. The past is gone. Just say'n.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 02:05 | 2126075 unemployable
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not all of us were hackers.  some of us were call phreaks.  we used chingers

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:33 | 2124113 optimator
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Please deposit fifty cents for the next three minutes.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:38 | 2124127 Normalcy Bias
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While they're at it, I wish they'd find out who this Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama II character really is...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:43 | 2124145 Tic tock
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that's right, let's leave the Law in the 'clean' hands of the government, everyone knows, the Police uphold their well-elocuted, if a little piggy money-printers. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:55 | 2124176 Schmuck Raker
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Great tip Tylers.

So the trade is long MCD, short DNKN. Right?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 18:52 | 2125130 slewie the pi-rat
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locally it's lookin like long SBUX, short GT

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:09 | 2124224 I did it by Occident
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you'd be surprised how many orgs don't secure their telecons and video conferences.  A lot of hoops to jump through which most non-geeks find frustrating.  So as with people's personal wi-fi, many don't bother until they get stung.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:11 | 2124241 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Sounds like bullshit.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:17 | 2124259 JW n FL
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these are the same idiots that are supposed to keep us safe from China's hackers? or Iran's hackers?

we are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Fucked!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:49 | 2124367 Apeman
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LOL those guys sound so incredibly incompetent. Pretty much what I already knew though. Seriously.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 16:21 | 2124527 americanspirit
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I can't factually or rhetorically dispute all the comments regarding how Anonymous and Wikileaks may be covert intelligence operations, but when you consider how Aldrich Ames, an incompetent drunk, managed to wind up in top positions in the CIA, from which he stole documents that sent dozens of double agents to gruesome deaths inside the Soviet Union, and was able to do so by simply stuffing his briefcase with documents and walking out the front door at Langley, and then walking into the Soviet embassy in DC in full view of FBI surveillance cameras to deliver the documents, and was able to repeat this performance for over a decade, amassing millions of dollars in the process which he spent lavishly, living far above his $50k paygrade, in plain view - I have to ask myself how likely it is that the spooks have gotten any better at their jobs, and how likely it is that they are clever enough to do what so many ZHers happily attribute to them. Not bloody likely IMHO.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 18:35 | 2125085 lemonobrien
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this is totally fake. "Did you speak to Andy about that information?" love the specifics.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:12 | 2125402 surrational
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Generally governments wouldn't pick false flag operations that would result in the appearance of this much weakness, which is definitely the case with the anonymous situation. Think about it; they don't have American consent now (9-11% congress approval), why do they need to make themselves look this bad to shut down the internet? There are some good videos of Zbigniew Brzezinski discussing how the elites know the people are waking up to the reality of the American global plutocracy.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:12 | 2125918 MobBarley
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Did you kill your inner child

so you could be an adult

and walk the big walk with the big talk

and the eloquent words of latinic gravity

and portentious artistic sculptation?

Did you chuckle inside at the beauty of

your own arrogance? Did you pride up

where you where empty? Like plastering

a mouse hole in the dark recesses of your

mind?

Did you kill your inner child?

The one that was all born to be wild?

That now threatens you as the ultimate terrorist

the greatest errorist , that puckish grin

all alight with sin , the sin of innocence

you tossed like a prisoners salad?

The taste of shit thick in your mouth

with every word you think to reply

how you must die

all in the game

a sonic refrain

a third of the stars

and tungsten bars

I'll always love you

as a trout loves the worm

 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 02:01 | 2126070 unemployable
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Though I've become less interested in the "News" I listened to the recording, skipping the you tube video for the mp3 links: if the first one had failed I'd have gone straight back to catching up on Durden's color commentary of the Apocalypse ...

Then the audio started up.  I have no idea what the men actually said, since I was hearing a variation that remained very faithful to this:

Raskolnikov shook with laughter, and it really looked as though he could not restrain himself.   That was exactly what he wanted:  Inside they would hear that he came in laughing and that he was still roaring with laughter in the entrance hall. ...

Raskolnikov was already entering the room.  He came in looking as though he were doing his utmost to stop himself from bursting out laughing.  After him...came in Razumikhin, lanky and awkward and as red as a peony.  His face and whole figure looked so ridiculous that they fully justified Raskolinokov's laughter.  Raskolnikov, who had not been introduced, bowed to his host, who stood in the middle of the room and look inquiringly at them.  He held out his hand and shook hands with Porfiry, still apparently doing his utmost to suppress his mirth and say at least two or three words to introduce himself.  But no sooner had he succeeded in assuming a serious expression than he glanced again at Razumikhin as though by accident, and could just no longer restrain himself:  his suppressed laughter broke out the more irresistibly, the more he tried to restrain himself.  The extraordinary ferocity with which Razumikhin reacted to this "hearty" laughter gave the whole scene an air of the most genuine gaiety and, above all, naturalness.  Razumikhim seemed almost deliberately to help to strengthen this impression.

-Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment (Part 3, Chapters 4/5)

Not only were the men portraying one of world literature's greatest works - it was a tour-de-force. Moreover, the scene they'd "chosen" was, apart from the actual murder, arguably the most fraught with external tension & palpable danger:  the first of the three great confrontations between Raskolnikov the impoverished murderer and Porfiry the loutish, ingenious man investigating the crime.  The symbolism of the episode:  the self-delusion of all external obstacles upon the discovery that everything of lasting importance -- all our hopes, dreams, fears, loves, and so on -- are inside.  There can be no doubt in my mind that it is this and only this scene which is re-enacted.   Why?  Who the hell knows why!

 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 06:43 | 2128203 Archduke
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some thoughts:

 

cases seems tenuous if they can only find one previously known 15 year old after scanning chatrooms and drives.

banking fraud is a felony.  instead of investigating anonymous-exposed fraud (BofA), authorities are misdirecting here.

tens of thousand of insured credit cards don't come close to the billions lost in illicit american mortgage practices.

he's a minor in both countries and yet nobody from child services seems to be involved in the investigation and call.

 

it's pretty hard to separate what are political actions and related to anonymous and which are delinquency or crime.

in this case I'd say there is no evidence to point to any kind of concerrted attack on institutions a-la anonymous.

the steam gaming credit card numbers are just regular crime, with a touch of vandalism thrown in for good measure.

if the FBI, yard, and media spin this to point to anonymous it will be a clear case of fabrication and misdirection.

 

manchester credit union operates offshore in jamaica.  they do remittances, student loans and bursaries, etc.

why was it targeted? is this an anonops revenge or simply a reflection of the teenager's home council estate ?

 

jamaica may not even have appropriate hacking laws.  it's debatable if the yard has authority there, the FBI doesn't.

having the feds put pressure on the yard to prosecute a crime committed in sovereign jamaica is strange indeed.

though manchestercreditunion.com is registered at godaddy and hosted in the US, where are the jamaican cops?

 

http://dawhois.com/site/manchestercreditunion.com.html

http://dawhois.com/traceroute/?query=208.82.114.84

 

 

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