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Another Victory For Ron Paul Who Wins 44.9% In California Straw Poll To Perry's 29.3%, Bachmann's 7.7%

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The Republican presidential candidate whom everyone (at least in the mainstream media, on both the right and left, as they are, after all, funded by the status quo to preserve the status quo) has written off, has won his latest landslide victory, this time in a straw poll in California during its 2011 Fall Convention in downtown LA JW Marriott. The LA Times details what transpired: "One presidential candidate, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, spoke at a dinner on Friday night, and Saturday morning's breakfast featured two more contenders: Michigan Rep. Thaddeus McCotter and Texas Rep. Ron Paul. Paul's fans were out in force both outside the hotel -- awaiting his arrival -- and inside the ticketed Lincoln Clubs Breakfast. He spoke last and was late, allowing McCotter to add a question-and-answer period to his prepared remarks." There was nothing substantially new in Paul's speech which can be summarized as follows: '"You ought to have a right to work hard, and you ought to have a right to keep what you earn." As for the straw poll, "Saturday at the convention also featured a straw poll, conducted between the hours of 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. Pacific, with results announced during an evening banquet. Considering the large numbers of Paul fans who made their way to the Marriott, it's not surprising that he won the poll by a handy margin over second-place finisher Perry. But after the two Texans, the percentages drop precipitously, with Bachmann only managing fourth despite her convention appearance." Something tells us that nothing prevents "large numbers" of other candidate fans from making their way to the Marriott. The results: "Congressman Ron Paul (374, 44.9%); Governor Rick Perry (244, 29.3%); Mitt Romney (74, 8.8%); Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (64, 7.7%); Jon Huntsman (17, 2.0%)."

Some more on why while the media may continue to ignore him, Paul remains the single best candidate:

Several breakfasters videotaped portions of Paul's speech, which likely would be familiar to anyone who's heard him the previous two times he ran for president -- in 1988 on the Libertarian Party ticket and 2008 in the Republican field.

 

Among some of the lines that got the biggest cheers in the 20-ish minute talk were:

 

"We have endless wars overseas and endless welfare at home. We can't afford that anymore; we have to change those policies."

 

"We do need an absolutely thorough audit of the Federal Reserve," Paul added.

 

"What is the purpose of government and political action? I think the main purpose of our Constitution and political action should be the preservation of liberty."

 

"It would be nice if we had a lot more respect for the rule of law."

 

"You ought to have a right to work hard, and you ought to have a right to keep what you earn."

 

America's role is to have a strong national defense, "not to be the policeman of the world." (That one was particularly popular.)

 

He ended with "I'm running on peace and prosperity and personal liberty, the U.S. Constitution and the American tradition."

 

The congressman exited to chants of "President Paul."

 

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Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:16 | 1682142 runlevel
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RON PAUL 2012!!!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:40 | 1682188 GeneMarchbanks
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Bullish!!!   ... for Gold!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:07 | 1682269 spiral_eyes
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Ron Paul bitchez!

Those are the kind of numbers that will win him the nomination!

And with a massive market crash coming on the 20th... who knows where his numbers might be this time next year!!

http://azizonomics.com/2011/08/19/the-independent-case-for-ron-paul/ 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:47 | 1682557 Ident 7777 economy
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Yes, Ron Paul and pass the bong ...

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:53 | 1682580 Maniac Researcher
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Not surprised. California is full racist assholes - making its reputation as a "liberal" state all the more dubious. Home to the John Birch Society and many white supremacist organizations, these numbers are not at all shocking.

Racists voting for racists. How novel. Don't let me stop you from celebrating -- I'm sure "freedom" and "justice" will prevail.

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:55 | 1682589 eisley79
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loser looking for loser attention

 

fail on both accounts, if you want to make dumb people angry and argue with you for attention, try huffington post or glenbeck.tv

 

OWND

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:18 | 1682640 Maniac Researcher
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Wow, you really "won" that debate, didn't you? There's plenty of dumb right where you're sitting.

In case you're wondering, you actually have to include content to have a point. What you've said is pointless - and quite typical for a ZH dittohead.

Are you refuting the existence of a large and extreme right-wing sentiment in California? If you are, offer something.

Are you contending that this is not the reason Ron Paul just had a good showing in that particular state? If you are, then offer something.

Are you going to defend the decidedly problematic nature of straw poll metrics? If you are, then..well, you get the point.

 

Or, you don't. When your ideology informs your reality, your home could be burning around you and you'll still find a way to blame it on boogeymen such as "Keynesianism" or the mythical monolithic "Left" and so on.

 

As I've stated before, it's the internet - koolaid drinkers of all stripes are going to convene in their little clubhouses and lather each other up. Fine. But don't pretend that there's some sort empirical legitimacy to your assertions. --I'm addressing you, in particular, Tyler-- The sentiments expressed here on ZH are hopes, not analysis.

As for the rest of you ZH fans, depending on ideologues for advice is a sure-fire way to fuck yourselves.

Of course, given that you're all such generous, open-minded people, I'll just get out of the way. Kindly continue to go fuck yourselves. :D

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:25 | 1682672 eisley79
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Sorry lil bitch, you gotta earn the right to argue with me.

Like I said, you just want attention, but the majority of people here are too smart to be sucked in by your pathetic desparate cries for attention.  Go back to Troll School, when your IQ finally breaks into triple digits, and you learn how to make a logical statement instead of a logical fallacy, then and only then, I might MIGHT deem you worthy of a response

 

Dont let the door hit you on the way out, and take your next soliloquy with you.

 

OWND SON, U MAD?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:46 | 1682752 Maniac Researcher
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Yeah, I'll get right on "earning" the right to "debate" someone who can only speak in memes. I think you might be too daft to notice you left your intellectual credentials behind from your first comment.

Good job, Tyler! I give you "eisley79" - your new and capable defender! I'm sure this individual knows loads about macroeconomics, derivatives, CDS, mortgage-backed securities, or the intricacies of Eurozone politics. The depth of knowledge and analysis should obviously command the respect of *all* those who have experience with such things. Seriously. I mean really. With friends like these...

 

Eisley -I think you are also too deluded to see that I was making an example of your idiocy in order to communicate a point to the readership here that extends past the vacuum of 4chan-related nonsense you call a cognitive reasoning center.

Not mad. Laughing at you.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:12 | 1682837 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Your cackling does indeed sound quite mad.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:18 | 1682852 Strike Back
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Also lonely, and bored.  It takes a really sick individual to sit there and obsessively respond to comments on a website that he supposedly hates.  Maniac's pattern: bait a personal attack by bandying about baseless labeling, counterattack non-arguments with more non-arguments, and ignore those that actually respond to him.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:33 | 1682892 eisley79
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@Maniac Researcher

"I'll just get out of the way"-Maniac Researcher

"dont let the door hit you on the way out"-Eisley

"RAAA RAAA RAA BLLAAAH BLAAAH BLAAAH" - Manic Researcher

 

Now, when you say you are going to go, but dont and keep flailing away....AND my whole point is that you just want attention and no one is going to bite the bait you are trying fish here, are you helping yourself or proving me right?

as i said before, try huffington post or glenn beck TV

 

You dont know a thing about me son, talking about 4 chan and memes just shows YOUR age.  I could take you apart on any of the subjects you mentioned, but as I said, you have to earn that right...

 

you have the charisma of a damp rag, and the apperance of a low grade bank clerk

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay

 

just walk-a-way, like you said you were going to, you are just making a fool of yourself

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:53 | 1683535 Bringin It
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Nobody likes Maniac Researcher, a proven fraud and liar.  A shill for the corrupt status quo.

Ask him what his IQ is.  That should be entertaining.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:43 | 1683638 fuu
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I just wanted to thank all the shills, trolls, naybobs, and wankers in this thread. Your fear is a motivational juggernaut.

 

Have a nice day.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:50 | 1683646 eisley79
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thanks for coming out, tell your story walking.....

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:10 | 1683671 Mauibrad
Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:19 | 1683679 i-dog
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"Maniac Researcher, a proven fraud and liar"

That is patently not true. Though I intensely dislike his invective approach and his tarring of the whole of ZH with his one (only!) very wide brush, he is most definitely neither a fraud nor a liar [, IMO].

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 23:44 | 1687432 Bringin It
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Re. patently not true?!?

Usually you are right i-dog, but not this time.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:30 | 1682697 Strike Back
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Rasmussen national poll has Obama and Paul at neck and neck.  All racists? 

We invest in gold.  How is that fucking ourselves?

Is your only strength condescension and verbosity?  Label throwing?  Laughable assertions that a random straw poll happened to hit every racist in extreme right wing groups in California?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:48 | 1682761 Maniac Researcher
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Your interest in Ron Paul most only extend to recent memory. Some of us could read in the 1990s.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:59 | 1682798 Strike Back
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You failed to answer any of my arguments and pointed to that tired old newsletter factoid that has been debated and debunked thoroughly elsewhere.  Big words don't mask baseless arguments.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:34 | 1682897 eisley79
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he wasnt even born in the 1990s, dont feed the troll...its what he wants, someone, anyone, to argue with him...

sad

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:38 | 1682904 Strike Back
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Agreed.  I felt a sense of duty to stat quo types that may be reading this site.  I'm like you, but I've made those arguments so many damn times I'm sick of making them.  At this point, the information is out there, and if you don't get it, you dont' get it.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:53 | 1682948 Doña K
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Careful guys. "Maniac researcher" may turn you in. He is part of Obummer's report regime critics web site.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:57 | 1682957 malalingua
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really?  I thought he was glen beck using a thesaurus. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 18:08 | 1682985 Strike Back
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Realizing that website was real made my hangover worse.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 19:14 | 1683134 Maniac Researcher
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You know what I love? when my comments break the turgid monotony of group think here on ZH, even for a moment - and then suddenly, others are speaking up, too. I cite the thread below about the folly of the two-party system as evidence of this phenomenon.

You can hurl the bile filled attacks all you like. Paranoid fantasies, speculation about my age, background, or political affiliation - they're all a distraction from my original point. Which, surprise surprise, none of you have engaged. Tyler, you have a pretty weak bunch here. It isn't hard to get them riled, nor is it difficult to expose their hypocrisy and lack of decency.

What was that again? A website with supposedly no political party affiliation or ideological base, actually has one. And an obvious one at that. This makes claims by Tyler and ZH readers that there is useful, nonpartisan empirical data that one can use in order to survive and flourish in an uncertain economic and political climate not only suspect, but frankly, nonsense.

I've noticed the din of hecklers has risen quite enough to draw attention to what I wanted to say. I'll let more eloquent speakers conclude my visit to the dittohead koolaid land..

Have you seen the below before? Have you listened thoroughly? Are you aware of the historical context of this short little speech? Take a listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUY&feature=player_embedded

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:10 | 1683222 malalingua
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You can hurl the bile filled attacks all you like.  YOU started the bile filled attacks in an ealier post calling Californians racist assholes just because Ron Paul won the straw poll.  A bit contrarian to post the speech you posted whilst being so pretentious with your blatant disgust of the only man fighting on behalf of the American people. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:45 | 1683282 eisley79
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@internet researcher

"when my comments break the turgid..."

people would have to read your comments for that to be true, no one cares, go find your attention else where.

 

just stop calling mikey.....please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0PUrNwvvBk

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:38 | 1683553 Bringin It
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malalingua - re. A bit contrarian to post the speech you posted whilst being so pretentious with your blatant disgust of the only man fighting on behalf of the American people.

Understand Maniac R.  Maniac R. is in favor of devouring the American people.  He is therefore opposed to any man willing to fight on their behalf.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:14 | 1683603 Maniac Researcher
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You obviously haven't been paying much attention to what Ron Paul has actually said during his long career, have you?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:47 | 1683640 eisley79
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like when you read newsletters he didnt write in the 90s?  Do keep loading on the lies, you are trying to buy your way out of bankruptcy with debt...

LOL

how long are you going to sit on this page pressing F5 hoping for someone to argue with.

No one cares, as I have said twice now, go troll on the Huffington Post, or Glen Beck TV.  Your garbage will get the reaction and attention you want in places like that.

 

The party is over, everyone has gone home, time to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and run along...

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:39 | 1683294 Hamsterfist
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As a fellow liberal I agree and disagree with your posts, especially concerning Dr. Paul.  I AGREE that his 'state rights' arguments are old hat and have been used by racists for ages.  However I also think Paul is the only one telling the truth, or at least a portion of the truth.  So what do I do?  Obama is a failure, am I am sick of rewarding turn coat democrats.  In a way I want to stick it to tptb, and I 'think' Paul is a step in that direction.  Whether he is or not, we can only find out if he actually wins.  Plus I think a Paul/Obama debate would be entertaining as hell, almost as fun as a Bachmann/Obama debate, but in reverse.  

Of course I know I am still participating in a system that is a lie, so maybe this is all for naught.  In someways I feel as if I operate in two different universes.  One in my beliefs and arguments concerning the way our current society ought to be and the other universe knowing that all of that is bullshit.  It just depends on the context of the conversation.  Try telling a firm believer in Republicans/Democrats that it is all fucking crap, and see what kind of response you get.  The conversation will devolve into their utter defense of the status quo, and unfortunately that is what you see on ZH even.  I have noticed the blue pillers come out in full force on the weekends though.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 21:44 | 1683434 i-dog
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"In a way I want to stick it to tptb, and I 'think' Paul is a step in that direction."

Ron Paul is a tool of TPTB ... just like all the others. He is controlled opposition. He is/was a member of the Jesuit-Rockefeller-funded John Birch Society and he is very well connected to the Jesuit-Rockefeller-Hunt-funded and highly secretive Council for National Policy (which was the main source of funding for Rand Paul's senate campaign).

Voting for any one of the current candidates is a vote for TPTB. Either don't vote at all or devote your resources and energy to taking back your state house from TPTB ... or both.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:01 | 1682810 desirdavenir
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completely agree on the general part, though I always find it nice to listen to other points of vue. So I don't mind the ideologues, makes me understand why Ron Paul has some support

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:13 | 1682844 xiam007
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So - who is your candidate for 2012?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 18:08 | 1682988 Christophe2
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My candidate: someone who is NOT a Republican or a Democrat, as obviously the two parties are nothing more than the twin masks used to limit our thinking and make us waste countless time objecting to the massive incoherence that is present on BOTH sides.

 

I will never again vote Republican or Democrat, and unfortunately pseudo-non-mainstream news sites like ZH refuse to discuss any American candidates that are not part of the 2 pork parties.  Worse yet, all the pseudo-non-mainstream sites spend their time plugging Ron Paul as our savior (ha!), regardless of the obvious falacy of such statements.

 

ZH minions like to feel so proud and superior thanks to how they are supposedly no longer getting their news from the mainstream, but they sure don't ever dare to venture beyond the sellouts that have been vetted by TPTB.  Don't you get it yet?  Nowadays, all the Republican and Democrat candidates are shills, actors and fakes.  Can't you see the obvious psy-ops wherein one part of the mainstream tells you that other parts of the mainstream are 'ignoring' Ron Paul?  And ZH tries to make us feel lucky that he's wining 'beyond all odds'!  It's pathetic.

 

Still, to answer your question, even though the Diebold vote fraud machines make voting moot nowadays, and although I don't even know if she is running for pres, I'd pick Cynthia McKinney before Ron Paul or any of those other pukes in a heart-beat: above all, she dared (and dares) to say the truth about 9/11, quite unlike the 'savior' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYSKCfsLuuE ).

 

And before y'all libertarians discount her for being left-wing, consider the following: it matters far less whether a candidate is left or right, compared to whether or not he/she is a NWO sellout.  You can implement good changes following a libertarian ideology, just like you can implement good changes following most other ideologies.  The devil is in the details, and it's in the details that they keep screwing us!  (When they don't just outright reneg on all their campaign promises).

 

I simply will not consider anyone who won't speak the truth on 9/11, but I also believe that revolt is the only way we'll ever free ourselves of the Illuminati/NWO.  No politician can fix this on his or her own, president or not.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 18:13 | 1682996 malalingua
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are you by chance eating magic bananas with evil sauce right now?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 18:36 | 1683043 Christophe2
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Wow.  Now there's a fine rebuttal by a Paul-tard if I ever saw one.

 

Here's my question back to you: is your middle / upper-middle class salary enough to warrant being a troll and sellout for TPTB?  Do you enjoy being their slave?  Or is it that you are so emotionally attached to Ronney-boy that you can't think objectively?  Do my cogent arguments scare you so much you feel a need to steep so low?

 

What exactly is it that you feel is delusional in what I wrote?  Casting groundless allegations of insanity is one of the most vile and despicable things one can do.  It doesn't affect me one bit, but it sure makes you look like a dickhead.  Too bad you are too weak-minded to think of ways to actually argue against my points, eh?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 18:56 | 1683089 malalingua
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Ser.iou.sly?  Paul-tard?  This is a term of endearment to me used only by neo-con snozzle crockles... I was only asking a question, either a simple yes or no will do. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:04 | 1683191 Christophe2
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I realize you are at best a 'mischievous' troll and that entering into a discussion with you is pointless, but nonetheless I will have a bit more fun at your expense, since you make it so easy, and since you so deserve it, quite frankly.

 

Because you have no reason for questioning my sanity and no ability to build even the semblance of an argument to supports such a conclusion, your "I was only asking a question" is absurd and still just as self-defeating as before.  Should I ask you if you have blue balls?  Or should I ask if you are dicking around online 'cos you are tired of your mom's company?  I have little reason for asking such questions of you, so if I were to ask them out of the blue, I would just end up looking spiteful and desperate, as you clearly do.  Do you understand?

 

I guess you aren't smart enough to read between the lines, either, as you already got your answer.  That being said, I know you are just a spiteful troll who thinks he is finding ways to get to me, when in fact your puerile attempts and speech are an embarrassment to your group.  Who wants to be with stupid?

 

And to bring it all home, let me explain how apt the moniker 'Paul-tard' is in your case:

a) you are a Ron Paul supporter / troll.

b) you are so far from smart in your approach and abilities that you seem retarded.

a+b = Paul-tard.  Do you understand now how, unlike you, I am warranted in giving you an unpleasant label?  Other Ron Paul supporters do not deserve such ridicule, and if I were to use that term widely it would look bad on me.  Are you starting to get it?

 

In any case, I appologize to the ZH readers for feeding this troll, as it's just a waste of time, as always.  I had a bit of fun with it though, so I can only hope that you will too (I'm not bothering to write all this for the troll, certainly).  malalingua, I bet I'll get another laugh out of your next reply, but since I expect it will be just more of the same, don't expect anything more out of me, kid.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 21:23 | 1683380 malalingua
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Get. Over. Yourself.  I ask you a simple question and you engage into this lengthy diatribe.  The joke is on you btw.  Translate my name mala lingua. (hint, it's latin.) 

If being a troll means having to disagree with you then I take that as a compliment.  Also. If you had fun with this exchange then you have a really boring life. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:38 | 1683536 Christophe2
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You surprised me by actually offering me something I wished to reply to, although evidently it only makes you look incredibly worse, dummy.  It seems like your name means "the language of evil" - a perfect name for a (most likely Zionist) troll like yourself.  You can revel in your evil nastiness if you wish, but the end result is nothing but abject misery for yourself, ultimately.  Being a deceiver means that you waste all your time degrading yourself, when in fact you could be bettering yourself and those around you.  So what if your masters reward you with baubles from time to time, so what if your tricks sometimes work temporarily?  Being cunning innevitably means you are underdeveloped in other areas, hence your never-ending feelings of insufficiency, which ironically lead you to jealously lash out all the more against those with real abilities and real success.  No wonder you are so dumb, if your focus in life is being a nasty little troll.  False person that you are, you will never have more than the appearance of success, and no matter how many you manage to trick, you will always still know, deep down inside, how pathetically far from 'real' your appearance is.

 

It's also quite telling that your "language of evil" got tons of up-votes from the other psy-ops pukes who pollute this space.  Worse yet, Ron Paul is revealed as the guy who gets support from none other than the "language of evil" - as before, you do nothing more than tarnish that which you hoped to burnish, loser!

 

Oh, and when did you disagree with anything I said?  You never made a single point, never argued anything remotely coherent, and that's why you are 100% troll.  I guess that's all Ron Paul has going for him, eh?  And of course I had fun stomping a nasty cockroach like yourself.  Are you going to try to argue that you enjoyed miserably failing in everything you attempted, or that you enjoyed having your pathetic psyche revealed to all?  Are you truly such a glutton for embarrassment?  You can try to stand tall, to appear nonchallant, you pathetic faker, but everyone who reads this knows you got schooled.  I wasn't laughing so hard earlier, but now it's getting to be some sweet, sweet schadenfreude!  Honestly: thanks for putting a big smile on my face.  You did a good deed!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:58 | 1683653 malalingua
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Cher Christophe mon petit psychoanalyste,

It looks like you might want to brush up on your Latin a smidge.  Malus -a -um is a first and second declension adjective describing the first declension noun lingua, not a genitive singular.

Ride bene, turpicule nasus!

 

 

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:54 | 1683663 Christophe2
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Pauvre petit con.  Essaye donc encore. (Et c'est psychanaliste, en passant.)

 

Es turpis et sentis maulus!

 

My source for translating your name: http://translate.google.com/#la|en|mala%20lingua

-> granted, lame-o google fails miserably to properly translate the Latin I wrote above (from way back in my school days), but I figure they probably do better with a pair of words than with a sentence, and rather tellingly the alternate meanings roughly work for mine, but google offers no alternative meaning for yours - nothing but evil...  You can properly translate my words though, right?  In any case, you remain an evil little troll, undoubtedly.  Don't lose hope though: you can change, dontcha know?  Your life will vastly improve, believe me.

 

P.S.: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/malus#Latin

"adjective:

1. bad, evil, wicked, injurious

2. destructive, mischievous, hurtful

3. ill-looking, ugly, deformed

4. evil, unlucky"

-> and the feminine (for lingua) is 'mala'.  Mauvaise langue, tu me fais rire encore! hahaha.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 02:42 | 1683454 i-dog
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Chris: A few days ago you asked me for recommended sources of further background. I think you'll find this a very interesting insight into the last 220 years of American presidents and who of TPTB is most active in day-to-day politics world-wide:

History of Presidential Assassinations (2 hrs interview on YouTube)

PS. Ignore the religious mumbo-jumbo (unless you're that way inclined) and focus on the incredibly well-researched facts and cited references. Phelps' research answered many loose ends for me for which I previously could find no logical or coherent explanation.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 06:18 | 1683859 Christophe2
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Thanks, i-dog!  Good to see you again.  The video is very interesting, and I particularly liked the stuff about Japan (although the start was slow and far too rainbow'y).  As for the religious parts, I'm with you on that, but I don't hold it against the presenters.  They are clearly well intentioned and sincere, and in any case the rest holds together quite well.

 

They do seem a bit too focused on the Jesuit order though, as I doubt they played such a central role in everything: IMO they are but another limb of the chimera, a part of a larger whole.  (To be honest though, I skipped some parts though and intend to watch it again more carefully when I have time).  Do you think the Jesuits are still significant today?  I rather doubt it.  It's more the Zionists than anyone else, nowadays, although the Vatican surely plays a significant role when and where it can...  (In a similar vein to your movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICc4pxx_mDg )

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 09:22 | 1684027 i-dog
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"Do you think the Jesuits are still significant today?"

I most certainly do! Phelps does see everything as Jesuit-controlled, but they are indeed an equal partner with the Sabbateans (what most here would call "the joos", without realising that they are Luciferians and have often also converted to Catholicism or Christianity through marriage or for social acceptance) in such gatherings as Bohemian Grove, the CFR and the upper reaches of American and European politics.

The political power of the Jesuits has waxed and waned somewhat over the centuries but, in my opinion, their power and influence is at a high point now, with Ratzinger as Pope and Knights of Malta scattered in leadership positions around the world. Those at the very top of the power pyramid are able to use both the Jesuit- and Sabbatean-controlled members of the various secret societews (including Skull & Bones, CIA, CFR, CNP, Bilderberg, Heritage, etc) to full effect in attempting to steer us into One World Feudalism.

PS. You must separate Zionists into two groups: Sabbatean/Labour (Luciferian) Zionists and religious Jewish Zionists. Barry Chamish has some good interviews (including one with Eric Phelps) on YouTube that describe the obvious differences. The Labour Zionists would like to see all religious Jews eliminated from Israel.

You must also not confuse Jesuits with Roman Catholics. Jesuits are Luciferians and are quite distinct from the Vatican, the Pope, the Roman Catholic clergy and believers. Jesuits may gain some of those positions from time to time (eg. Ratzinger), but they are a separate organisation with their own Black Pope (Jesuit General) and their own belief system that merely appears to overlap with Romanism. They have been banned by the Roman Catholic Church in the past (usually resulting in the offending Pope being poisoned, their favourite method of disposing of obstacles) but are usually quickly reinstated after flexing their considerable political muscle.

Even I get confused sometimes.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:38 | 1683548 Nothing To See Here
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It's funny how those anti-Paul retards are flocking over here nowadays.

My two-cents : neo-cons like to make money and they heard they could find a hint or two at ZH so they get over here. They don't understand WHY the ZH community calls the good shots on the economy (like the good doctor) and they are not even interested in knowing WHY. They just want to know the hints and they bring their arrogance with them.

I just got one word about these scum whose only interest is to make a buck and who just don't care about understanding how the world works : pathetic.

It wouldnt actually bug me if it wasnt that these scum will vote Mitt Perry in, thinking it's gonna make a difference, and then cry that "politicians don't walk the talk" as if they did not expect it in this specific instance.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:08 | 1683588 Christophe2
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It doesn't seem like you bothered to read any of what I wrote, or at least tried to argue against any of it, instead inventing reasonable-seeming talking points.  I explicitly did not suggest Mitt Perry instead of RP (or Obamma, for that matter).  So the rest of the mainstream is far worse than Ron Paul: then why can't you look past the mainstream parties?  We're here on ZH, a supposedly non-mainstream site, yet it seems we aren't allowed to consider anything else than the pukes from the mainstream parties.  Why is that?

 

I suggested Cynthia McKinney as one alternative, so how on earth can you call me a neo-con?  Although I will confess that I am not inherently drawn to libertarianism, I can still see logic and good from much of what it proposes, especially given our monstrously overgrown current government.  I would have no problem with voting for a libertarian, a Pirate (I wish we had such a party in the US!), or anyone else who might have a chance, so long as they were real.

 

Ron Paul, supposed enemy of the Federal Reserve, has done practically nothing to get in their way since getting his chairmanship of the Monetary Policy Subcommittee.  How is that real?  Just being better than Mitt Romney is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 03:29 | 1683635 i-dog
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"Just being better than Mitt Romney is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!"

Hear here!! That says it all.

Washington DC is the enemy of the sovereign States of the Union ... and is therefore the real enemy of the American people.

In any event, expecting one man to direct the course of 535 corrupt Congress-critters and the [tens of] thousands of infiltrators and collaborators in the Administration and Washington bureaucracy is the very definition of insanity.

Voting for Paul (or Romney, or Obomba) is simply choosing whether you prefer Ghenghis Khan or Ögedei Khan to continue the invasion and remove your few remaining personal liberties (while Ghenghis 'Diebold' Khan will win the rigged vote anyway!).

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:51 | 1684546 Nothing To See Here
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Your line of reasoning would have Russians refuse to support Garry Kasparov because "he did nothing" so far. Like if he could. You need a solid wake-up call.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:14 | 1682635 malalingua
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"all your base are belong to us".

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:25 | 1682675 eisley79
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:)

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:36 | 1682723 malalingua
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:)  Wrangling with anger- balls can be exhausting so I would give you more +1's if I could. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:35 | 1682898 eisley79
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lol

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:21 | 1682859 CH1
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Guys - Ignore the time-wasting trolls.

Their job is to make you expend your time and energy arguing, rather than doing.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:23 | 1682863 saiybat
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You might want to fact check your statement since you beg the question. Wisconsin is home to the John Birch Society and not California. I don't have a comment on the rest of your comment that includes: appeal to ridicule, appeal to spite, guilt by association, straw man, red herring, and an ad hominem attack. That's quite an accomplishment to include that many errors in reasoning in only three sentences.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:01 | 1683586 CompassionateFascist
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THere are some splinter groups in Calif....aka the Birch John Society.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:25 | 1682874 mfoste1
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ahhh i see the obama misinformation department is at it again! how much is this costing me again?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:44 | 1683702 UP4Liberty
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Hey Maniac,

Don't you realize that we're witnessing a TAX REVOLT of tsunami proportions?

The case for a charge of "racism" is so weak.

The case for the coming tax revolt has been building for close to a century.

Please troll elsewhere - you're wasting your - and our - time.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 03:54 | 1683809 FreedomGuy
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You know, there are other places better for stupid comments like yours. Why don't you add more unfounded stupid accusations just to make the flame bigger? Go to MoveOn or some other place for morons.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:54 | 1682583 eisley79
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you forgot to neagtive yourself after doing the others, helped you there

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:56 | 1682591 OutLookingIn
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RON PAUL.

If the USA does not elect Ron Paul president in 2012 - then God help the country.

There is but one choice and one choice only, out of all those running for the oval office - RON PAUL.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:22 | 1682662 Maniac Researcher
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

 

The selection of the word "choice" is problematic here. Also, me'thinks the average ZH reader could benefit greatly from the link above.

See "irrelevant conclusion."

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:36 | 1682901 eisley79
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the "researcher" posts wikipedia links, while posting links to fallacy

hmmmm....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:41 | 1683558 Nothing To See Here
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Bullseye. Although he probably does not understand your point.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:03 | 1683657 eisley79
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he definitely does not, just like he didnt get my nigel farage quote, or my Swingers movie clip you tube post

 

he is one of the many many people in the Western world who think they are educated and smart and not part of the "masses", not realizing all their bluster and bravado actually just comes out as "BAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH"

Another Sheeple for the slaughter

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:45 | 1682925 saiybat
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"Not surprised. California is full racist assholes - making its reputation as a "liberal" state all the more dubious. Home to the John Birch Society and many white supremacist organizations, these numbers are not at all shocking.

Racists voting for racists. How novel. Don't let me stop you from celebrating -- I'm sure "freedom" and "justice" will prevail."

 

He also included a false dilema but that's nothing compared to your own fallacy riddled statement. Maybe you'd do yourself some good by studying the literature that you cite.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 19:09 | 1683123 Christophe2
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@Maniac Researcher:

I'm largely convinced that Ron Paul is fake, but your arguments and arguing don't carry any weight.  There is very little evidence of RP being racist, so why are you so focused on that?  You are not making any sense, and I can't help but wonder what your purpose is. 

 

In any case, you certainly are not convincing anyone by beating that lame horse to death.  There are so many reasons to doubt RP (his position on 9/11, his lack of 'action' against the Fed since becoming chairman of the Monetary Policy Subcommittee, his soft/calming talk on our wars and Israel, when in fact we should be furious, etc.) - why do you remain stuck on the racism issue?  Most people are RP supporters because they are sick of the corrupt system and because RP is by far the best in the miserable Republican lineup.

 

If anything, I'd say you are making it harder for real dissenting arguments to be heard and noticed, and furthermore you are making honest RP supporters feel righteous and defensive, which makes it all the harder for them to objectively consider the greater reasons for doubting RP...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 03:56 | 1683810 FreedomGuy
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Ron Paul cannot do it all himself. The job is too big. The leviathan is strong. However, it would be such a remarkable event that hopefully it would set in motion the right kinds of things and attract others like Paul to office at all levels.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:09 | 1682278 Careless Whisper
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'"You ought to have a right to work hard, and you ought to have a right to keep what you earn."

Who let that Capitalist out?

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:25 | 1682474 goldm3mb3r
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MSM headline "Rick Perry 2nd in California Straw Poll"

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:26 | 1682477 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The nice thing about a free market is that you can chose to work less hard at times. You can't do that in a fiat based system because your savings depreciate too fast. Also, if too many folks want to take sabaticals in a Keynesian economy then the whole Ponzi scheme would come crashing down. Keynesianism and the rat race are synonymous.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:25 | 1682317 kahunabear
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I wish and he will get my vote, but America can't handle the truth, especially when it comes to not putting a boot in everyone else's ass. I think the song says, "It's the American way!"

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:49 | 1682370 Skid Marks
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America can't handle the truth

I disagree........ Americans, Europeans, Mexicans, Russians, Chinese, Arabs, Africans, Indians, ALL people everywhere CAN handle the truth.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:28 | 1682491 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Your up arrow didn't work for me so here's a +1.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:23 | 1682465 mfoste1
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front runner, bitchez

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:55 | 1682788 Joshua Falken
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warm up a full audit of the Fed and indict Bernanke for treason 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:09 | 1683667 Mauibrad
Mon, 09/19/2011 - 05:10 | 1683836 JB
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http://watch.pair.com/synarchy-6.html

 

RON PAUL IS AGENT PROVACATEUR!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:21 | 1682143 LawsofPhysics
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Ron Pauls is like a small wild fire in the midwest right now.  Stamping him out is suddenly going to start costing TPTB a lot of money.  Looking at the poll numbers, they seem really small for such a large state so probably a meaningless poll as I am sure the media will point out.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:19 | 1682147 MrBinkeyWhat
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Ron Paul 1012! Probably the last chance for a political solution.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:22 | 1682149 runlevel
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1012

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:26 | 1682163 MrBinkeyWhat
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Correction below...Sometimes it seems like 1012...Crusaders in the MENA; Templars holding gold...

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:30 | 1682497 CrockettAlmanac.com
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And it seems like just a short time ago that we were all partying like in was 999.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:20 | 1682148 DeadFred
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Fox News headline will read what? "Perry defeats Romney by over 200%"

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:22 | 1682151 LawsofPhysics
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Yep, just once I would love someone in the MSM to confront a "journalist" on their "facts" when this is discussed.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:37 | 1682182 TwelfthVulture
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To be fair, Romney did get almost 9% of the vote.  Is he still the front runner?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 03:57 | 1683811 FreedomGuy
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Exactly! Only John Stewart has gotten it right. Most the press pretend Paul doesn't exist.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:21 | 1682150 digalert
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Ron Paul scares the status quo grift machine.

Paul 2012

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:43 | 1682198 X.inf.capt
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i hope he doesnt piss them off too bad....

vet for PAUL-2012

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:35 | 1682512 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I keep sending him cash so that he does piss 'em off too bad. He hasn't disappointed me yet. Heck, after the last debate they couldn't even bring themselves to report Ron's comments on health care but rather spent all their time going after what some guy in the audience yelled.

They're pissed and they're starting to get worried.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 04:56 | 1683830 JB
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Ron Paul is agent provacateur.

 

http://watch.pair.com/synarchy-6.html

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:24 | 1682155 MrBinkeyWhat
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I just came back to correct the Millenium we appear to be in...but noticed all the google ads for all the "other wanna-bees" Hum...Ron Paul in 2012, if we actually have an election...

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:25 | 1682156 wombats
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I'd love to see Ron Paul win, but there is still a long way to go.  I seems like a big win, but with so few total votes is it really statistically significant?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:40 | 1682528 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Anybody who likes freedom needs to get busy. Get you friends to register Republican (temporarily at least) in states which don't allow cross over voting. Put up some signs. Look into becoming a delegate.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:26 | 1682160 freethinker4now
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I love Ron Paul.  But hasn't it already been decided that Romney or Perry are the candidate? You just have to look at these debates. The CNN debate was disgusting with questions to other candidaters always being referred back to waht Romney or Perry thought! Everything was aimed toward them including the candidate positions on the stage. So sad to see how US are told whol they will be able to vote for, democrary. Really?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:51 | 1682223 11b40
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More and more, the power if the Internet is usurping the power of the MSM.  People are beginning to be truly concerned in larger numbers, and information/alterntive views are available for seekers.  Look at the trend in German election results.  They aren't buying what TPTB are trying to sell.  Ron Paul's increasing success rate says fewer in America are buying it, either.

Take 5 minutes and lsiten to one of the best speeches of the past 100 years.....by Charlie Chaplin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo&feature=player_embedded

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:49 | 1682764 LawsofPhysics
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Precisely why CONgress is debating a bill to tax internet sales and police the internet.

Whatever happened to the kill switch bill anyway?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:09 | 1683598 CompassionateFascist
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Nothing has been "decided" yet. Hillary Clinton was supposed to be a shoo-in for the Dem nomination in '08, and look what happened. It'll be decided via the primarys, not these half-assed "debates". I can tell you this: the Repub nominee might well have the initials R.P.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:28 | 1682168 swissaustrian
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Moneybomb going on right now.

Go donate:

https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/?sr=dp1

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:41 | 1682534 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I kicked in a few bucks yesterday. Business is slow but I gotta get me some of that there freedom.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:45 | 1682548 Moe Howard
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Looks like a JP Morgue employee gave you the red arrow.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:29 | 1682171 bugs_
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Way to go Ron - but it IS california and i'm not sure california is supporting you because of its belief in fiscal prudence.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:30 | 1682175 swissaustrian
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Footage of his arrival in LA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm6D9VenmmE

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:32 | 1682176 bob_dabolina
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Obama 2012!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:52 | 1682227 Pool Shark
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Obama's 2012 campaign slogan:

"Obama 2012: Don't Switch Horsemen in the Middle of an Apocalypse."

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:16 | 1682295 bob_dabolina
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I'm scared that people up voted me

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:34 | 1682714 Moneyshot20
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I enjoyed the sarcasm.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:51 | 1682775 LawsofPhysics
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Wait, didn't Bush already use that slogan in 2004?  How unoriginal, I know so many sheep who voted for Bush because of the "war" and all.  

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:17 | 1682435 malek
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ROFL, YMMD!

But I think there can only be one apocalypse, so let's call it:

Obama 2012: "Don't Switch Horsemen in the Middle of the Apocalypse."

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:43 | 1682540 CrockettAlmanac.com
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There have been times in my life when I had an apocalypse every other day.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:29 | 1682493 bugs_
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LOL!!!!!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:35 | 1682180 dcb
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I am an independent, but I think I WILL DECLARE MYSELF A REPUBLICAN TO VOTE FOR pAUL.  i THINK INDEPENDENT VOTERS SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:55 | 1682232 malalingua
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We have and they have;  Blue Republicans for just one year to secure the gop nomination for Ron Paul. 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/blue-republican_b_886650.html

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:11 | 1682287 ww2vet
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hillary for prez, bill vp = 50 states!!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:56 | 1682396 IAmNotMark
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I'm assuming you're joking but I guess some people will think that the best thing for our country is to go back to the Clintons.

God.  Help us all.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:01 | 1682247 sourgrapesson
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a throw away vote to be sure

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:54 | 1682387 IAmNotMark
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I wrote in Ron Paul in the last election and will do so again in the next one.  I know I 'threw away' my vote.  I vote for a politician that I can have some respect for.  What other choice did I have?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:48 | 1682563 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I wrote in a presidential candidate in 1992 (OK, it was Jerry Brown. Now just let it go.) and I found out latter that my vote was not counted because the presidential ticket requires two names, one for POTUS and one for veep.

So stick a second name on that ballot even if it's your own. But it would probably be best for all those who write in a vote to try to include the same veep candidate.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:19 | 1682452 malek
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Voting for an idiot, even if he goes on to win the election, is a lot worse way to throw away one's vote...

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:38 | 1682185 lunaticfringe
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Wow. I am encouraged by the comments here. Maybe America isn't as stupid as I think it is...however this is ZH and the peeps here are awake and on the inside...certainly not representative of the rest of our unconscious country...

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:59 | 1682242 malalingua
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I was encouraged too with the lack of knuckleheads that posted on Ron Paul threads but just wait,  they will be out in force spewing all their vile on the Pro-Paul  comments.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:53 | 1682782 LawsofPhysics
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Yeah, just like those "crazies" that voted for Perot and all his "debt will be a problem" pie charts.  Good luck sheep.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:44 | 1682204 bankonzhongguo
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And to the crypto-editors, corporate-publishers and fake-(s)newz producers and everyone else running the journalism buzz-saw.

Fuck You!

Everyone knows you will never let Ron Paul win, but what is going to get better without him and his ideas after the 2012 election?  Nothing.  It will only get worse.

The "media" carrying the water for all this Bush/Obama/Clinton/Perry crap is just as culpable as the press that sat by and watched Hitler come to power.  That is what happens when you go against the human spirit and Liberty. 

The MSM/CNN/MSNBC/Disney/NYT/ETC complicity in stove piping the drum beats for endless war, failing to vet Obama and likewise NEVER investigating the true debt bondage crimes perpetrated by the banker cabal; you are all going to pay eventually.

You can snicker from your "liberal" limousines and nod your heads during these $25,000/plate fundraisers, but the very organs of control and apathy that you so champion will be turned against you in time.

To the middle executives framing debates and shaping the front pages in New York and Washington: Nobody believes anything you're saying anymore.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:57 | 1682399 IAmNotMark
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Now...don't hold back...tell us how you REALLY feel!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:53 | 1682217 Pool Shark
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Well, what do you know; there IS still some intelligent life left in Kalifornia...

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:50 | 1682220 marcusfenix
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the two headed political beast will not tolerate somebody like ron paul in the position of head teleprompter...he's just not good TOTUS material, to much unwanted thoughts and convictions about things like individual liberty, personal freedoms, self determination, ending immoral and destructive foreign wars and so on and so forth. as a congressmen he's not a threat to the establishment, he's just crazy old ron with his quaint crazy old ideas and he is easily minimized and isolated as they have been doing to him for decades. but president is a different story, I worry that the more popular he gets, the more it looks like he may just be able to win the nomination, the more susceptible he becomes to "heart attacks", "strokes" and other life ending maladies that people of his age are prone to. DC is a very corrupt and dirty place and I have a bad feeling ron paul is in danger of not making it to the retirement he has earned after a long career of serving the people.   

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:51 | 1682221 SRV - ES339
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Ah the purity of collectivism... it's all so clear, so true! What's this... it seems Ron's son's namesake had a few moments of weakness in her older years... oh the humanityl!

Yes, the mother of all right wing loonies (great writer though) collected Social Security and used Medicaid (using her husband's last name to keep a low profile) to avoid going bankrupt from cancer treatment... but Ron still thinks his loyal followers (most ZH'ers it seems) should opt out, suck it up, and deal with the catastrohic finacial burden of failing health on your own, without stooping to "suckling on the public teet!"

* Ref: "maxKeiser.com"

What's next, a long list of Rush's illegitimate black babies...lol!

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:03 | 1682257 Lord Welligton
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Did you bother to read the article?

http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/30/rand-on-the-dole

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:58 | 1682402 damage
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It is short for Randall, not Ayn Rand doofus.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:48 | 1682558 Moe Howard
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His son's name is Randall, so what the fuck are you even talking about. They called him Rand as a nickname, nothing to do with Ayn Rand. Dumbass.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:52 | 1682575 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Yes, the mother of all right wing loonies (great writer though) collected Social Security and used Medicaid

So she used the system which the government forced her into. That makes Ayn Rand bad and the government good!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:52 | 1682225 KennyG09
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I don't know how he does it with all the shit he gets. I get into a few arguements with brainless asshats about the state of our country and always come away demoralized. If Paul is a lunatic for wanting you to have a say in your own life, then I guess I'm a lunatic too.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:55 | 1682231 High Plains Drifter
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yawn !!!!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:49 | 1682371 Oh regional Indian
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My sentiments exactly HPD. Yaaaaaaaawn. The Talking Doctor. End of Story.

ORI

Hey America

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:16 | 1683607 CompassionateFascist
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Gave ORI a greenie to avoid shutout.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:58 | 1682238 Royal Fleming
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Living in Ca. all my life , I can see the unions involved with straw poll, they will falsify voting to divide voters against themselves, then slam him with distorted slanderous propaganda...Ca. is run by unions, and is THE most liberal state in the union..and no one even resembling a republican will ever get the vote here. Just the way it is...Welcome to Northern Mexico. and bone lick capitol of the world.. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:54 | 1682582 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Ron's current task is to win the nomination. Are you suggesting that those voting in the Republican primary won't vote for a Republican?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 17:56 | 1682952 monoloco
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What RP needs is lot's of disaffected indepenents and Democrats to register as Republicans and vote for him in the primary, his libertarian views scare the shit out of too many of the religious conservatives who would prefer a Christian theocracy under a Rick Perry or Michelle Bachman.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:02 | 1682251 LoneStarHog
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Ron Paul 2012:  Finally, HOPE for a CHANGE, America!

Ron Paul 2012:  Your Last Chance To Get It Correct, America!

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:42 | 1682357 no2foreclosures
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Ron Paul 2012: Final Hope, Last Chance.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:03 | 1682256 porrannor
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Even so, you grossly underestimate stupidity of people. Long ago, we lost our compass. It is not about Ron Paul. it is about Constitution and our Identity as Amricans. We forgat who we are. 

 

Vote for Ron Paul

 

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:12 | 1682288 Rastamann
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all that proves is that Californian rightwing peabrains are less stooooopid than other states. too bad their welfare queen and soeed freak hero,  Ayn Rand, was a COMPLETE FRAUD and the Libertarian "philosophy" is nihilist and anti-societal.

 

oh well.....what can you expect from these libertarian parasites that first promoted the massive failure of Chicago school economics and have now latched onto and perverted the Austrian school all in a vain effort to deny their FAILURE.

 

how pathetic

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:40 | 1682355 PivotalTrades
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Hey bumbaclot

How is communisim and socialism working out.

Now that the morons turned the USA into a version of socialist europe we will suffer the same fate.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 14:54 | 1682385 UGrev
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That was a great comedic bit. You should go on tour. You can call it the "Free-Range" tour. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then you should just shut the fuck up right now because you are vastly out-numbered here. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:02 | 1682409 IAmNotMark
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I'm assuming that this was just a pot-induced deluded attempt of trolling.

how pathetic.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 15:18 | 1682447 Lord Welligton
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You sir are a credit to your education or lack thereof.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 16:55 | 1682789 LawsofPhysics
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His unemployment check must be runing a bit late.

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