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Appeals Court Finds Obamacare Mandate For Individual Health Insurance Unconstitutional
Another constitutional slap in the face for the constitutional scholar. Just out from Reuters: the 11th Circuit Court of "Appeals court rules that Obama's healthcare law's individual mandate to own health insurance unconstitutional." It has thus found in favor of the 26 states that challeneged a requirement that Americans should purchase health insurance. What next: Obama takes Obamacare to the Supreme Court? And just when the summer seemed like it may finally get boring for a change...
From Reuters:
A U.S. appeals court ruled on Friday that President Barack Obama's healthcare law requiring Americans to buy healthcare insurance or face a penalty was unconstitutional, a blow to the White House.
The U.S. Appeals Court for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta, found that Congress exceeded its authority by requiring Americans to buy coverage, but also ruled that the rest of the wide-ranging law could remain in effect.
The legality of the so-called individual mandate, a cornerstone of the healthcare law, is widely expected to be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. The Obama administration has defended the provision as constitutional.
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i agree, you can't force private citizens under threat of fine to purchase health insurance from for profit companies.
Try living in Europe you'd be amazed at all the things the government can Force you to do here (fuking commies)
And forget fines try prison
We are not Europe (yet, well not completely). That is why we need to elect someone like Ron Paul. We are and have been moving in that direction for many many decades (over a century).
Ron Paul would be a great Secretary of the Treasury, but a miserable president.
Really? more miserable than GWB or O'Bomba?
http://azizonomics.com/2011/08/12/ron-paul-can-he-win/
Go Ron, Go!
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My mind pretty much seized up trying to even fathom a ruler more miserable than GWB/Obama. Maybe Vlad the Impaler, but even then I'm pretty sure he wouldn't lecture me daily from behind a pair of teleprompters about how he's doing everything possible to assist me, how my impaled condition is all due to absolutely everyone other than him, and that my vitals statistics all point to a lifeless recovery. ;)
Going back to the subject of the article, where the judicial branch is working up to deleting, or not deleting, a plainly tyrannical law that would transform the commerce clause into a writ allowing the federal, no, scratch that, CENTRAL government of the US to do anything to you that it pleases...reconsider which president was worse, the the one who appointed originalists to the bench and the supreme court, or the one who appointed the worst statists he could get through Congress??
Here in is the very core of the reason Western Civilisation cannot afford another Obama term. He would very clearly appoint people who would make decisions ending this grand experiment in human freedom, by rewriting the constitution to statist ends.
Going back to the subject of the article, where the judicial branch is working up to deleting, or not deleting, a plainly tyrannical law that would transform the commerce clause into a writ allowing the federal, no, scratch that, CENTRAL government of the US to do anything to you that it pleases...reconsider which president was worse, the the one who appointed originalists to the bench and the supreme court, or the one who appointed the worst statists he could get through Congress??
Here in is the very core of the reason Western Civilisation cannot afford another Obama term. He would very clearly appoint people who would make decisions ending this grand experiment in human freedom, by rewriting the constitution to statist ends.
Well stated.
I read this Bloomie editorial this morning. I had to read and re-read it to make sure what my eyes were telling my brain was accurate to what was on the page. The pertinent passages from this particular fluff piece...
"Obama, asked about asserting a 14th Amendment right to raise the debt limit unilaterally -- or at least threatening to do so -- said: “I’ve talked to my lawyers. They are not persuaded that this is a winning argument.” And that was that.
Obama’s reluctance to use a power he felt he wasn’t entitled to was impressive, even if the former constitutional lawyer was wrong in his interpretation. When was the last time a president voluntarily gave up power for no better reason than obeying the Constitution (which, just incidentally, he has sworn an oath to defend)? If it had been a Republican president and his supporters in the legislature were making such a case for an imperial presidency, liberals would be having fits.
Obama’s stand on principle is especially noble because he might well have been able to use the public debt clause to have his way, even if his interpretation of it was wrong. First, he could have threatened to use it, even knowing in his heart that he would not. And second, there’s a good chance the Supreme Court would not take such a case."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-12/obama-s-14th-amendment-stand-counters-wimp-factor-claims-view.html
The mental calisthenics involved, for the editorial board of Bloomies to write that is breathtaking to me.
A "constitutional lawyer"...who never argued a case before SCOTUS. Or even a petty theft case before any municipal judge or any case anywhere for that matter.
He "consulted" his lawyers before determining what he was contemplating doing was un-constitutional, so he can now be said by the Bloomie editorial board as standing on principle?
I need a drink...a stiff one.
Dude, have one on me. I'll follow suit. But Boomberg is a great view into wtf is going on, especially in the morning. Keene and Pruit do a good job of a) being pussies, but b) queuing up opposing viewpoints. So the themes of their shows are to have their guests battle out the issues across sessions.
- Ned
"Dude, have one on me. I'll follow suit."
Quick, hurry up,..they're slidin down easy...lol.
This particular type of garbage MSM meme will always catch my eye. Here is a man propped up by nothing but illusion. He's not a "constitutional lawyer" or a professor or scholar of the Constitution. This is a man who once said the Constitution is a collection of "negative liberties".
Think about the implications of that for a second...................
He has always interpreted the Constitution as a hinderence to what the states plans are for the people, instead of what the peoples plans are for the state.
And Bloomie, by propagating the lie that he is a constitutional lawyer or that he is learned of our basic law and then omits the fact he has been consistently wrong with his "scholarly" opinions from the Heller case to his own health insurance nightmare legislation gets nmewn's razzie for the day ;-)
All our problems are already solved by blaming George Bush.
See how great BO and the Obamabots are? Problems solved.
"Al-Qaeda gonna getch yah? Odds unlikely."
You can quote me on that. MJN
You can even make bumper stickers out of that saying.
'Miserable' President, eh? I have to ask you, who has a more consistent credible track-record?
He has voted "Present" more frequently than anything else.
Go ahead and vote Romney then. He admits to loving the Federal Reserve, no public audits and never to abolish it.
Go ahead, put another Fascist in and watch American burn to the ground.
+1 agree completely
No single group of people enjoy watching America burn to the ground more than libertarians.
Do you not read the comments section around here?
but only the Republicans have the votes to cause burning to occur.
well???
thats not exactly true.. becuase we all know the Democrats have not done anything the republicans dont do.. so two peas in a pod, really.
dog and pony show.
there is no difference between team red and blue! just all part of the show for the sheepish consumers!
We're all happy in Barney's (read blue+red = purple) America!
>No single group of people enjoy watching America burn to the ground more than libertarians.
It's true; there's a lot of schadenfreude in seeing what happens when others do the opposite of what Austro-libertarian theory indicates, i.e. less freedom, more taxes, more government spending, more government interventions, more bailouts, more welfare, more warfare, etc. I wish I could live in an era where society wasn't self-destructing, though.
"I wish I could live in an era where society wasn't self-destructing, though."
Yeah, but you have to admit there is certain entertainment value. Front row seats to history and all that. Peace and prosperity might be too boring for human nature.
[No single group of people enjoy watching America burn to the ground more than libertarians.]---Libertarians fo...
I consider myself a "classic libertarian." I'm a constitutionalist. Very conservative. I'm a Tea Party member, as well as an Oath Keeper.
Not sure if you'd lump me into your "libertarian" catagory. I don't know of any like-minded folks who enjoy watching America burn to the ground. Mind you, much of the burning happened before I was born.
Are you confusing anarchists for Libertarians?
On the otherhand, Leftists are the only ones I know who truely salivate at the destruction of capitalism, rule of law, unalienable rights, natural law, private property rights, limited govt, etc.
We leftists also salivate at the idea of accountability, equal rights, conservation, justice and education. On that note: please learn how to spell.
Oh my goodness, there's a leftist on ZH. Welcome.
(Don't worry cdskiller, this isn't gonna hurt a bit.)
Equal Rights. I thought I already mentioned equal rights under "unalienable rights." Unless, of course you have a different idea of what "equal rights" mean. What does it mean to you? From whence come these "equal rights"? The govt? No.
Accountability. Sounds good. But, who is accountable to whom?
Conservation. Sounds good. I enjoy the outdoors too. Who determines what?
Justice. I like justice too---individual justice in a court of law. Social justice? No. Sorry. Our Founders didn't believe in collective justice.
Education. Indeed, our Founders strongly believed in an educated informed electorate. Public education has an important role. And, private schools should play a larger competitive role. Schooling directed from the Federal level? No. That's up to each state---a state's rights issue. Our Constitution does not expressly give to any federal branch the authority to create, direct, or regulate public education.
Now, see? That didn't hurt.
I think it's the Phoenix idea. Basically the US is too far down the path of tyranny, that the system inevitably imploding is seen as the only way for a return to constitutional/classical liberal ideals (i.e. negative liberties, rule of law, personal and individual self-reliance, true capitalism, minimal govt in the economic sphere, etc.). Too many are dependent on the central state (even the states) and will fight to keep their unconstitutional benefits, thus making the implosion inevitable. But the fires of renewal will hopefully return the US to its first principles.
Not America...just 70-80% of the Feral government.
It's not so much about satisfaction, as it is about recognition of, and resignation to, the inevitable.
Agreed, "America" is not the power hungry idiocracy in D.C.
And no other group will enjoy and do more to help in rebuilding America around sustainable Constitutional principles. Suggest you read about and see pictures of what has resulted from the Yellowstone fires of 1988. At the time, few wanted the fires and a lot of money was spent fighting them. Then think about Japan after WWII and South Korea after the Korean War.
It is way past time to worry about how to apportion blame for the overgrown and unroductive underbrush that is choking our economy. At this point, it is also pointless to worry about who struck the match and far too expensive to create lines around much. There isn't the political will to allow controlled backfires to burn, we had our chance in 2008.
As a libertarian, I'm offended that you think there is some evil or selfish motivation that would cause me to enjoy suffering. I fought as hard as I could against, but now accept and prepare for, the inevitable consequences of the policies of non-libertarians.
+2
Willard Romney... More spineless than Hairy Reid... The First Douche among Douches... The Republican version of Gavin Newsome... A two dimensional pretty boy card board cut out of a politicain with brains of.... cardboard...
Willard Romney:
Iowans should have pelted that worthless bitch with tomatoes and corn cob on the spot and drove him off of the stage and out of Iowa on a rail...
Willard "The Rat" Romney (As in the movie: Willard...)
A perfect example of the complete and utter uselessness and failure of the US political class... Kulaks one and all...
Too true
+1
Yup, Romney is a statist, a guy who promises to make government "work", which is how we got here: Democrats enact vast vote-buying, dependency building federal bureaucracies, and Republicans like Romney, rather than deleting them, promise to make them work. This goes in one direction only. We need a president who'll delete programs entirely, not tweak, apply iso 9000 management consulting makeovers to the orwellian Dept of Education, useless Dept of Energy, and on and on.
Thankfully, our choices are not limited to Romney or Ron Paul.
That is actually a compliment considering all of the awful things Congress has done in the past 30 years.
BB was talking about Ron Paul. As you pointed out, there is very little obummer has ever voted for (or against).
Progressive/Socialists/Obamatron supporters/Decepticrats don't really need reading comprehension skillz, just a loud voice (or in this instance, a keyboard), and a willingness to do what Big Brother tells them, especially during the 10-minutes hate!
i like your bullet point thingies
I agree with every single one of those votes. But in the end we got everything he voted against done to us. He is not charasmatic and although I'm not sure, I think he's controlled opposition. We need another champion of these ideals.
we don't have much time left, the economy will totally implode before the next election.
I would rather put a Pro-American president in now then risk losing the nation.
The nation is already lost. It was taken from us through the principles of adverse possession. Unconstitutional laws were ushered in throughout the last hundred years and allowed to stand, like razor wire fences well within the borders of our own private properties, intentionally put there to steal from generations of people who were not around to defend themselves against future tyranny of the Nanny State. Until we the people decide to survey the land with both our Deed and wire cutters in hand, and take back the land the previous two generations unwittingly yet intentionally gave away as a matter of convenience and false prosperity, then TPTB will continue on with their own dark and maddening version of Amerika the beautiful.
So I read this GREAT Post that has stuck with me.. in spite of my readers digest mentality.
the last time I read something here that stuck with me / moved me was.. forgive my regurgitating this thought improperly (to the original poster).
There can be no us or them.. only when we are them..
that abortion of a mis-quote was in reference to educating the masses.. only after everyone is educated will we ALL be better off.
Back to this GREAT POST that got my ADD attention to settle down..
The description of right verses left.. can be described one way.. throughout history.
The Right Looks at the World from a Top Down Perspective.
The Left Looks at the World from a Bottom Up Perspective.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/obama-implementing-plans-war-throug...
***** "If you want a clear logical definition of what differentiates 'right wing' thinking from 'left wing' thinking I would say that it lies in the confrontation of 'top down logic' and 'bottom up logic'; the French revolution and the American revolution incarnated the triumph of the latter in their declaration of human rights; the corner stone of 'left' logic." ******
Which takes us back to.. People Not! Corporations or Government should have the Power.
of course as much as Most of us here will Love the idea of this.. the majority of Citizens in the United States are NOT! Capable of caring for themselves let alone comprehending what is truly Good v. Bad for them. Thusly! we have a Two Party System that accepts more money from the Interests of Foreign Countries more so than ALL the Big Brand Name Wall Street Banks!
The Lobby Owns Our Government!
"We the People" have allowed the Government to Sell Itself Off!
"We the People" have allowed an Electoral College to Vote for "We the People"??
I could go on and on.. but the bottom line is that the Bottom or the Majority.. "We the People" Broadly do NOT! give a fuck about anything other than what "We the People" are programmed with by 24 hour a day Corporate Owned News Agencies.
So??????? how do we.. the Few! influence / educate the idiot majority Sheepish Consumer Masses? How do we the few? minus 5th Ave. multi-market / sub market testing.. create meme's that can compete with the MTV Generation / Readers Digest Mentality Majority? How can we help ourselves with Truth? or more reasonably.. can we? can we help ourselves? or are we ALL too far gone?
It's too late to save America.
It's too late to save other people. They're not worth saving anyway.
Save yourself.
[***** "If you want a clear logical definition of what differentiates 'right wing' thinking from 'left wing' thinking I would say that it lies in the confrontation of 'top down logic' and 'bottom up logic'...]---JW n FL
Hi JW. I disagree.
But, it's encouraging to see someone who cares enough and is curious enough to intelligently drill down to the core of our ideological differences.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget
- doesn't matter like you think it matters...those who value balanced budgets over everything else, have unbalanced minds
Should we be prudent? Yes. But anyone that thinks balanced budgets should be law #1 in America are idiots. So are the Keynesians. Both are equally idiotic. Austrians are just as stupid as Keynesians..we just live in Keynesian world..so it's easy to overlook that Austrians are still MONETARISTS.
Monetarism is an Anti-American and anti-constitutional economic system.
I'm not here to argue whether or not he'd be better than Nero or Dumbfuck Bush, but he'd be bad in his OWN way, if he was allowed to be.
He has some major plusses, but a greater many minuses obscured by Keynesian insanity we currently are showcased every day.
The Austrian School of economic non-thought are idiots. Just a little less idiotic in today's world. If the Austrian school was in charge, the keynesians would look good, and think their shit don't stink.
Monetarism as a whole is what's wrong. All the schools of monetarism are WRONG. All are OLIGARCHICAL in NATURE. Those are facts.
But it all goes back to one side of the propaganda.
Healthcare, Social Security, and certain things the gov't pays for, IS NOT what caused this problem. The fact Ron would basically do nothing but shut stuff down is not a good president.
What are his ideas to DO something?
He just wants to tear down good and bad things.
Thus if he was president...we'd get rid of a lot of bad things...while creating new problems as he got rid of good things.
Why? Because he would listen to the dogma of his idiotic, anti-american MONETARY school of non-thought.
Ron Paul isn't the answer. Even if he supports some good things. He again, supports many bad things.
What we need is someone who will get rid of the bad things, and create good things. Ron isn't that guy. Rand surely isn't.
Glass-Steagall
American Credit System (not monetary system)
Good luck to all!
What exactly are the good things government does again??
*crickets...crickets....crickets....*
If you think its social security you are crazy. How people think that sending the government their money so they can get 75% of it OR LESS back is a good deal is so totally beyond me, its amazing.
for the most part keeping the rivers from catching fire
oh...I forgot, we can trust the enlightened self interest of corporations to do the right thing
Never voting for an unbalanced budget means he never voted to create debt where revenues were insufficient to pay. This means he was prudent, not unbalanced.
Austrians are not monetarists, not even close. You are confused by Friedman's collaborations with Hayek. Hayek diverged from Mises on the important issue of taxation and monetary theory regarding government. You might want to do a little reading before you open your mouth.
Ron Paul has very sound ideas regarding economics. His consistency encourages the idea he will not be reckless or driven by "dogma" without a thorough evaluation of the events.
You on the other hand, not so much.
Thre may be times when an unbalanced budget makes sense, but not everytime and all the time for sure!
He has delivered thousands of babies, served honorably in the USAF, stacks gold and silver, and hasn't changed his positions regardless of which way the wind was blowing.
I read he's a mason, so some people are ragging him on that.
George Washington was a mason, and a pretty fine president.
I would rather he wasn't, but hell, he's still better than anyone else, IMO. Can you imagine the spasms of outrage on the left, were he to be elected?
Hahaha!
(Being decent and honorable, he doesn't stand a chance. There's no dirt to control him with, he hasn't made his bones...)
Ron Paul's father was a Freemason. Ron Paul has acknowledged that long ago. He, himself, is not one. Nor is he a member of the John Birch Society.
That's cool!
Well, that removes my only quibble about the Honorable Dr. Paul.
Can you imagine the upheaval in DC if a guy like him were in the WH? They'd put a dead hooker in his bed and impeach him the next day!
HA!
Dear ignorant human being guided by an enemy of freedom. Dr. Paul's wife and daughters are practicing members in the masonic order. Your quibble is justified, and your willingness to go back to sleep is a testament to why we deserve what we get. The fact that he wants to sell the gold in Fort Knox says it all. This web site is supposed to have the awakened people, but you're all in love with your slavery so much you'll elect Ron Paul.
we'll your boy Obama looks like he will win a 2nd term, congrads.
Most Americans are tired of getting bent over the table at the expense of the TBTFs and Military Industrial Complex, but you yourself are ready for another round of anal rape.
Spot on comment, Blythe. The guy has character with a capital C! The first candidate I've actively supported (with contributions) since Reagan. I just love the guy and his deep understanding of sound money and limited government. And I've very cynical which is why I enjoy ZH so much.
To me voting against the patriot act and wanting to disband the TSA and the FED and his consistent support of true liberatarian principles (against foreign wars) are the key reason for any freedom loving person to support him actively-if only to disseminate his ideas more widely during the debates. Audit and end the FED. There can be no sound economy without sound (e.g. gold backed) money.
You forgot one baby!
Ron Paul never fails to bring home the Bacon to his district via earmarks!
Pork barrel project expert!
I like him and all that but let's tell the whole story!
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/07/ron-pauls-personal-pork-project...
2007 article but holds true
He's taking back the tax money his constituents paid in. He's said before, the money is going to go somewhere, so it may as well go back to my people! Now GFO with your liberal fucking article, shitbag!
plus, it is constitutional since all spending bills and appropriations must originate in the House of Representatives
He is now the Chairman of the House Financial Serivces Subcommittie on Domestic Monetary Policy & Tech.
Its time for him to shit and start issuing subpoenas (if needed, that he now has the power to do) or get off the pot.
Simple as that.
StormShadow,@13:38
I was embarrased at the hubris, and total lack respect shown the ONLY Constitutional scholar on the GOP Fox Iowa debates last night.
I used to like Santorum,but his attacks, and flat out asshole slamming of THE only one on the stage that has fought for the REAL America,and in Congress for 25yrs was STUPID,and showed a lack of character.
I got a kick out of Newt (he's a Huge prick) eating Wallaces lunch, but otherwise, we are in real trouble if those are our only choices to run against The Black Knight in 2012.
Newt's idea's would do what he said, just no way HE or anyone else w/out a solid majority in both Senate and House could ever get done.
Don't look now, but the Fiat is being sold in the US!!!!
Oh no. We are going to live like Europeans!!!!
better prepare for crazy food prices than...
I just did a budget overview. Last month food bills: 2000 euro for my family (2 adults, 2 kids) and that doesn't include restaurant bills which where about 600 euro.
thats about 2850 dollars just to fill up the fridge for one month.
I really didn't realize it was so high already. compaired to last year, it was about 1300 per month.
It kind of depressed me today to see that.
And now they are talking about raising taxes again.
Wow, you spend more on food than I make in a month. (No point, just a random observation).
This might help.
http://www.couponbug.com
We spend $125 a week for family of four. We eat out 2-3 times per month and order water (no beer or soda) when we do.
1 cup of rice
1 cup of beans
1 packet goya
4 Italian sausage
Dinner for 4 and cost less than $6.00
you lost me at "install coupon printer" software
wow, what a thoughtless way to behave. Do you think restaurants are all NPOs or something? Seriously, why bother going out to eat if you're not even going to spend enough money to pay for your share of the electricity while you're sitting there, let alone help cover the basic cashflow issues of rent, salaries, ingredients, etc? I bet they LOVE seeing you tightwad assholes walk in the door. Let me guess, you also tip exactly 15% on your free basket of bread with water. Right down to the exact penny?
Let me get this straight: you are saying he has an obligation to spend too much money when he goes to a restaurant? No, he doesn't. A restaurant visit is a contract. I pay the restauranteur and he provides a meal in return. Why do you think receipts are required at the point-of-sale?
If the restaurant wants to offer free bread and water, that's their right, just like it's his right to consume them for free.
Who said anything about spending too much money? Do you have some sort of obligation to set up too many strawmen when you post?
What I'm saying is that it takes a real scumbag to go out to a restaurant and not order a glass of wine or a beer or at least a fucking milkshake with your food. I'm not saying you have any obligation to NOT act like a scumbag. If you like being a cheap shitty scumbag, that's your right. But liking it certainly doesn't make you any less of one
So, Not For Reuse, you are saying the restauranteur and the waitstaff would rather get 100% of NOTHING, instead of 15-20% of what I freaking order?
Huh, I'll have to tell my struggling buddy (that owns a diner) that. Or my high school friend that just opened a new bar/restaurant.
I bet they say you are a moron.
Yes, if you cannot afford the TIP on what you order you should keep your punk ass home.
The waitstaff has ZERO right to "expect" me to order anything other than that which I order.
And trust me, as a former waitress & hostess, my waitstaff appreciates my business everytime, even if I only order water and no dessert.
I just love people that 100% or nothing. You must go through life depriving yourself and just plain missing out.
missing out on what, the fabulous taste synergy between a professionally cooked meal and a glass of 2011 vintage tap water? How is it "depriving" myself to enjoy a real drink with my food? I guess I don't understand what you're saying there.
As far as you not caring about whether your friend's diner makes enough money to stay in business, I think I already made it absolutely clear that I agree. You have the right to order whatever you want. No one else has the right to "expect" you to order anything. And I'm sure your friends will love you no matter what you order. But I'm also sure your friends are grateful for all the other customers out there picking your slack and boosting the per-table average to a level that allows them to keep opening the doors every month
Man, i must be a real scumbag then cause i like to order water and pass on the empty 400 calorie soda. From the sounds of it, you must fit the stereo-typical american slob!
so the only two drinks at your restaurant are water and 400 calorie soda? Where is this place, Honduras? You're the one who must be a "typical american slob," why would you even bother going out to eat at a restaurant that only serves water and 400 calorie soda?
2000 euros?
Do you have to eat lobster and caviar EVERY night? And can't you find something besides champagne to wash it down with?
Or maybe food is outrageous in Europe. Wow. I know rerstaurants are. I mean I bought all this stuff in France, and it weas not that bad (2008)- 10.73 euros: http://legourmet.me/hotel_picnic.html
totally not. I'm going to make some cuts in that bill believe you me.
but compaired to last year, price have sometimes doubled if I compaire bills from last year.
our meat does come from a caterrer but nothing extravagent and the vegetable, fruits and fish come from the market so that is cheaper than at the supermarkets.
It's just nuts.
It's nowhere near that in the US yet, but food prices have risen quite a bit in the past year and I don't see why that trend would reverse anytime soon.
What are you buying? Filet Mignon. Lobster, Caviear, etc?
I can get 8oz filets for ~$6 from a local butcher... he literally must be just eating the money.
Perhaps in the future this will not be so uncommon.
Are you EFFING NUTS? There are lots of poor people in Europe who are perfectly happy living on 20% of that. You must live at a resort and never venture out.
ZOMGZ he must be EATING all the money
let's see.. 2600€ per month
@ 30 days/mo that's about $120 per day
@ 4 family members, $30 per person
@ 3 square meals, $10 each per meal per day
So tell me again why this food budget is so ridiculous for someone living in an urban area? You can't even get a small bag of mixed salad greens for less than $12 at any farmers market in NYC, should he just force his kids to eat recycled plastic like they do in China?
Not For Reuse
If your spending that much money for food per day, then your not eating home meals, your eating out.(maybe close to fast food joints)
Not anything special, but that's a lot of $$ per meal. A lot.
If food prices are that high at a farmers mkt, then it's time to move.
NYC is the model(along w/Kali) on how NOT to run a ciy, or a state.
The place is a festering fistule of Liberal dogma.
Wow! You're in Belgium, correct? Here in Austria food is definitely not that expensive. My wife and I bought 3 bags of groceries today for €46. Mainly essentials: eggs, fruits, vegetables, chicken, milk, yogurt, cheese, bread. All of those only have 10% VAT. Wine, coffee, beer (and we don't drink it but soda as well) all have 20% VAT.
Addendum: We recently bought a car, and filling the tank is €80. Americans will be burning shit in the streets once it costs them $120 to fill up. Coming soon, yanks. Good Luck to ye.
You don't have to go to college, Danny. This isn't Russia. Is this Russia? This isn't Russia.
This comment shows the utter hopelessness out there. Stop looking for a savior. The bankers rule the world. If you want to beat them, beat them at their own game. Just STOP FEEDING THE BEAST.
The banks and most corps are so leveraged, they'll tip over very easily.
Stop doing business with international banks. Stop buying crap on credit. Stop watching the electronic billboard (TV) and buying all the crap advertised on it. If very many of us did this, imagine the impact on taxes and the power of dot gov.
It would just be acting in your own best interest, and it would bring down lots of chaos to a ponzi system. STOP FEEDING THE BEAST.
This is the only real answer. Unity. Unfortunately we are divided by religious, race, political, and other trivialities even though most of us want the same things. They got a label for everybody liberal, conservative, republican, democrat, commie, socialist, ect.. Divided we fall. Whats so Ironic is that without our participation it would be impossible for them to continue.
"This is the only real answer. Unity."
True.
But I'll tell ya, I'm getting worn out from reaching out. I'm sick of reaching out to the unappreciative who slap my hand away and only want more from the productive. The productive are people too and at some point they will say...ok fine, let it burn I'll grab some popcorn, sit back & watch...when its out we'll rebuild without the dead wood in the way.
If your refering to Obamacare I am adamantly against it. I am not against low cost healthcare, but not under the facade of enriching the Insurance co. and Big Pharma while being forced on us. If an affordable gov. healthcare plan was successful people would want to use it and it wouldn't need to be forced on us, but I am under the impression that this isn't really the agenda.
I don't like unappreciative people either or ones that have a sense of entitlement, but that would include financial institutions, corporations, gov. workers, and most politicians. If there is no accountability in government what can we expect? Gov. executives getting overpaid for doing an incompetent job, some recieving more than one pension, politicians abusing the system, committing fraud and continuing their terms then recieving their pension while working for one of the corporations they helped when in office. I said this before start cleaning at the top, lead by example and I don't think there would be as much resistance to cuts in welfare programs and other handouts.
"If your refering to Obamacare I am adamantly against it."
My compassion for my fellow man has been drained by these people. Maybe I'll feel different tommorow...but I doubt it.
I hear ya. My tolerance for government and politicians has been drained.
Can't compare the two. Commies? Really, who still uses that? Hasn't it been replaced with the T word?
Here they're not "fuking commies", they're "progressives - same shitheads/different name...
Barosso is a commie. He just calls himself a Social Democrat, or something.
They are not commies, they are Eurofanatics.
Vote UKIP
Whether you're middle income or unemployed life is far far better in Europe than in the US. And if Germany and France would just let their bleeding unsaveable zombie banks die by allowing the PIIGS to default, they would race ahead.
Europe doesn't have the US Constitition. It's been shredded in the past 50 years or so, but apparently at least 2 federal judges still understand what it's supposed to do. I'm not sure how widely accepted the view is, but I've read histoirians who say that England didn't have the Inquisition to the same degree as Spain and France because England had the Magna Carta. It's the same kind of thing with the Constititution.
I would think any sane person would be terrified by the claim that the commerce clause enables the Federal gov't to mandate indvidulsl to purchase health insurance. THe power that gives tot he Federal Gov't is astounding. A central planner's wet dream. Is thre anything -- ANYTHING -- you do in your life that doesn't requires you to buy something?? If you have to buy something, the Fed Gov't can regulate the activity through the commerce clause. Incredible.
THe 4th Circuit will be issuing yet another ruling on the statute and, with any luck, it will not only find the individual mandate to be uncosntitutional, but will throw out the whole thing because there is no severability clause (which would allow a segment found unconstitional to be jettisoned (severed from the rest of the statute)).
Where it's headed:
Whatever decision some court makes, I refuse to obey Obama.
Oh yeah? Supreme Court will say that you "purchase" national defense and other sundry "benefits" (of empire) that come along with income taxes and use that as a precedent for making people buy something they "don't necessarily demand but nonetheless benefit from". Something to that effect. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Scalia lifts this sentence out of my comment and just inserts it in his decision.
No, I'm not cynical, just realistic.
I am Chumbawamba.
Scalia uphold a provision of Obamacare?
Surely you meant Ginsburg. Because there's not a snowball's chance in hell Scalia will uphold the mandate.
Are you kidding? That corpulent fucker takes every opportunity to give the government more power over the individual.
- Chumblez.
"i agree, you can't force private citizens under threat of fine to purchase health insurance from for profit companies."
You need it to drive don't you? Many states make motorcyclists buy DOT approved helmets from for profit companies.
Not that I disagree with you but the genie is already out of that bottle.
If mandated healthcare stays it opens up any sort of health or bodily risk taking to everyone elses' business. No bacon, no fast cars, no smoking or drinking because the it will add to the cost of health care and banning those things is for the greater good or something.
Wait - no! The US Constitution grants and limits the powers of the Federal government - not the individual States (except for what the States ceded to the Federal). If Oregon passes a law saying you have to buy a helmet to roller skate, you have to go back to the Oregon constitution to challenge it. It's vastly different for individual states to require something.
No state constitution gives a state government authority to requre citizens to apply for anything (like a driver license) nor buy anything (like a motorcycle helmet).
Said authority comes from applying for a title for the vehicle. Titling a vehicle transfers legal ownership to the state. Since the state now owns the vehicle they can require you to do anything they wish regarding that vehicle. ...including taking it from you.
You choose to have a car though. When I worked in the states I did not have a car and was not forced to buy a product from a for-profit company.
I don't understand why the US doesn't just help to underwrite the cost of medical catastrophies then send in an accountant to extract a portion of the cost from you if you can't pay the whole bill yourself. This notion that everybody over 65, no matter how wealthy, gets medical services paid for by the rest of the tax payers is just ridiculous. You just know Warren Buffet is using Medicare when he can.
In similar fashion all State Laws requiring you to buy automobile insurance are without foundation. You can, and should, challenge these laws in your state supreme court; the state will not be able to defend it's position. The State has no police powers delegated to it to force a citizen to take money out of their pocket and pay an insurance company. Just as a reminder, I grew up in a free country and a free world; graduated from high school in 1960 in the US; there was no such thing as "mandatory insurance" and everything worked just fine. People didn't go around playing bumper cars on the roads; there was no problem that needed to be fixed. There's a good project for someone with some time available. Obviously the effect of these laws is just to increase cost of living and decrease the effeciiency of the country as a whole.
They knew it was unconstitutional when they wrote the fucking abomination.
I would disagree. Most of Congress doesn't really know what is in the Constitution, or what it means. Without a knowledge of the Constitution, they can't know what is un-Constitutional.
One thing is for sure: the Constitution is a dead letter to all three branches of Federal Government. It means whatever they want it to mean. They have the same relationship to the Constitution as Dr. Leo Spaceman has to Science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBewm0vRpAg
I am sorry to say, Buckaroo, you are correct in that Congress ignores the Consitution if it gets in the way of doing something they want to do. The only time "Constitutional" comes up is by someone who opposes whatever it is Congress wants to do.
"constitutional scholar"
Obama is to Constitutional scholarship what Pewee Herman is to Shakespearian acting.
Obama is to constitutional scholarship what Obama is to pro golf.
Were being bamboozled on this "constitutional scholar" bullshit. I want to see papers to that effect
Nobody even remembers him from school.
I second that. Really, really smart people, the kind who graduate magna cum from MIT with PhD's in physics or rocket science, don't hesitate to let you know just how really smart they are. A con man, however, who is trying to make you believe they are genius in order to perpetuate their con WOULD have his educational records/transcripts sealed and hidden from public inspection.
He gave lectures (probably on the virtues of Communism) at the University of Chicago.. and the pinkos at UC covered for him saying he "served as a professor" when the exaggeration was challenged by Hillary during the campaign.
It's called "affirmative action"; a kind of reverse racism; they held his hand and walked him through Harvard; he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
Too funny, the constitutional scholar who isn't even a citizen.
Oh, he is probably a citizen (although he has not provided indisputable documentation).
What he in fact was and is NOT, is a constitutionally qualified citizen to run and serve as President as his father (a real piece of work) was a British colonial subject.
You can thank Pelosi and the Democrats for that.
You can't even say that CONgress ignored the Constitution - no one in CONgress READ the bill, much less WROTE it. They had no idea whether it violated the Constitition.
Anocona,@13:19
LOL, That's Obamanation..
Tyler D,
never one for a play on words are you..........LOL
"And just when the summer seemed like it may finally get boring for a change..."
Loved this one
O-bama-nation
-noun
1) A failed State
2) A vile, shameful or detestable action. (voting progressive is an obamanation)
Have you not figured out yet, THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION.
It is a stumbling block to their fascist goals.
Who cares about the constitution when COG has been activated a long time ago.
So, the impact on fx and markets??? Deficit? .....Nada. Reason? Failure, already baked in.
The only surprise is that any judges can still understand the constitution.
Waffen,
They have it on their Kindle.
Sure they do. The constitution is the document that guarantees the rights of illegal aliens.
What a sick fucking joke of a country.
just think what this will do to obama's legacy. wait... lol
The guy that lost America's AAA rating.
Oh I think he's gonna make us forget that little "achievement"..
Most of the economic looting is bipartisan.
But the Obamacare abomination was the sole creation of the DemonRat party.
They paid at the polls last November, losing their House majority. But they should pay a lot more.
When people say this party did this and that party did that , it makes me realise that they have still not got that there is only ONE party .
Right -- the welfare/warfare party. Efamol!
....the CORPORATE/BANKSTER welfare/warfare party. Fixed it for you.
Not on this.
The final vote tally for the Senate version of President Obama's health care reform legislation in the House was 219-212, with 34 Democrats joining all Republicans in opposition.
The Dems own this in full measure.
I hope your point isn't that this means that Republicans are kickass awesome and Democrats aren't.
The differences between the two parties are just enough to convince the average dumbass that they really are in fact two seperate parties. To anyone paying attention, on all the things that really matter, they're the fucking same.
The Rs suck in absolute terms.
I'm just saying they don't suck as much.
how so? In reality all the repubs opposed the measure because they could and the bill would still get passed. Its a chess move, that was all.
So some Rs would've voted for it if more Ds had not voted for it?
Your comment doesn't make sense.
And on a side note, related to comments further up: you're allowed to acknowledge the failure and shittiness of the Democrat party without simultaneously making some off-hand comment about how much Republicans suck as well. There's a lot of stupid fucking partisanship trying to hide behind the mask of non-partisanship here. Republicans will do something stupid again without fail, so don't worry your pretty little heads about the well-deserved lashing Dems are taking on this issue.
Sure you can, just like you can acknowledge the failure and shittiness of the politicians that wear boxers, Vs the politicians that wear briefs. But what's the point? Boxers, Briefs, Republican, Democrat - they're all the same.
Thanks for so aptly illustrating my point.
Which point?? That I'm partisan hiding behind a mask of non partisan? If that was your point, you're crazy, take a look through my post history. If that wasn't your point, maybe I need to check my reading comprehension skills.
I think his point is that he doesn't realize one set of boxers has poop stains them because they are dark navy silk while the other are plain white cotton that shows an equally large poop stain better.
I have no idea what it will take to make people finaly realize there is only a 2 headed 1 party political system in this country.
American sheeple are the biggest suckers ever for this political WWF show nonsense, they just cant help lapping it up.
Since most have been educated by the public school system, they believe that the American political system is, and has always been, a two-party system whereas the 2-party system is actually a rather recent development in American politics.
We've learned the efficient markets theory is total bunk, and CAPM is being relegated to the dustbin of history. Now hat our .gov rulers now see US citizens as a bigger threat to the "homeland" than foreign interests, the masks will come off the R's and D's within a generation and many self evident truths will be learned on a mass scale.
Just to make your point.
Both parties support:
and that's just a partial list. They are two heads of the same demon dog.
nice optimos prime
Here's some more:
but the most important one that 'the' party supports:
Is it correct that no one listed government controlled healthcare? Bush did nothing to limit while adding the prescription drug plan. I am so sick of this soap opera.