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Appeasement Arrives: Joint US-Israel Exercise Postponed For "Budget Reasons", US Will Not Enforce No Fly Zone Over Syria

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First we had news that out of the blue, the Western embargo against Iranian oil exports would be delayed by 6 months, and now, in the aftermath of last night's developments out of Iran which blamed the CIA for the murder of its nuclear scientist we get this (from Bloomberg):


And just so it doesn't look like a total cave in:


As a reminder Iran made it very clear an escalation in joint US-Israel war game cooperation would be met with yet another miliary exercise out of Iran.

And in other news, in response to the latest discovery that Russia not only was using Syrian ports to park its military ships, but to supply the locals with ammunition we get this:


So how long until the word "appeasement" makes its way into the popular jargon yet again.


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Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:14 | 2066185 GeneMarchbanks
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12 Down: A five letter word for running out of money and/or credit?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2066215 LetThemEatRand
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Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:23 | 2066221 john39
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the troops and equipment are all in place already, no?  so the exercises were used to justify the buildup.  now they sit, armed to the teeth and ready, just in case a false flag "unexpectedly" happens...

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:24 | 2066222 LetThemEatRand
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It seems so obvious, yet 90% of the public would accuse you of an affinity for tin foil.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:41 | 2066431 trav7777
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they sank that cruise ship.  OBVIOUS CIA/Mossad false flag, probably with MI6

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:04 | 2066507 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The thing about false flags is they are meant to blame a specific entity.  So who will be blamed for this?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:12 | 2066528 MsCreant
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You can't tell with Trav, but I thought he was joking.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:00 | 2066638 wanklord
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Expose the wicked intentions the Zionist warmongers and the Soetoro administration have in mind of igniting a war in the Persian Gulf. The phrase these misanthropes hate most is called FALSE FLAG.

Israeli submarines deployed in the Sea of Oman will sink an American warship that happens to be navigating close to the Strait of Hormuz - an attack to subsequently be blamed on Iran. Most likely one of these Zionist submarines (Type 800 Dolphin class) is already operating in the Sea of Oman:

INS Dolphin

INS Livyathan

INS Tekumah

Another plausible way by which Barry & Associates (including the Zionist warmongers) could justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another FALSE FLAG ATTACK on continental United States: a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration that may kill dozens of thousands of civilians. This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Israel's Mossad and British MI6 to subsequently be blamed on elements of Iran’s IRGC.


Educate the masses about what FALSE FLAG operations are all about

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:09 | 2066657 MsCreant
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I do believe that ZH has just been the victim of a False Fag attack.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:18 | 2066676 Canaduh
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:24 | 2066690 MsCreant
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Gosh and I just thought "False Fag" for the troll Wanklord (who, by the way, is Wanking on your punk ass) was fucking funny...

A real fag I would never actually harass.

I hate explaining my jokes.


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:29 | 2066706 Canaduh
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Here's a better link, sorry.

Oh, and fuck you.


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:45 | 2066730 MsCreant
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That's cool, but did you get my joke, False Fag? Get it?

See the Wanklord is a performance artist. Whatever point of view he is putting out there he is spoofing. He does not really believe it. So what that means is that you got suckered in. Now you get it? By trying to defend him and sell me on it, you are just digging it deeper. Wanklord does not believe this stuff. He is mocking those who do. It is irrelevant if I believe it or not. The wanker was wanking you.

Are we all caught up now?

I'll go fuck myself later, or better yet, I'll get help from a loved one.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:20 | 2066752 Canaduh
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Yes, I got your lame joke the first time.

Yes, I know how the trolls operate on this board. I'm not 10 years old, and I don't need your self aggrandizing explanations.

I was trying to counter his obvious lampooning of those who believe in false flags with a link to a legitimate article discussing just that. I don't care if I am 'wanked' or not. (PS,in the text of my original post,  I was 'wanking' those who do not believe in false flags)

I was hoping you wouldn't drag this out further.

I'll go fuck myself later, or better yet, I'll get help from a loved one.

If I had said 'go fuck yourself' I suppose that wold have been a witty comeback. Reading comprehension is not one of your strengths.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:21 | 2066807 MsCreant
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Isn't it interesting, the need to over explain and drag it out? 

The Wanklord is indeed Lord. I defer all the glory to the Wankster. We are both but Wankfodder in the great Wankfest that is his.


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:29 | 2066818 Canaduh
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Not necessarily, maybe someone new to his tactics will read our spat, and figure a few things out. His attempt to muddy the waters may have clarified it a bit for some.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 17:23 | 2066967 financial apoca...
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Canaduh ur a retard
MS creant was trolling you now do I have to explain that by going thru the whole process again

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 17:47 | 2067011 Canaduh
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Actually Mr. 3 weeks 3 days, MsCreant has been contributing to this forum long enough for me to know she is not a troll, she just had a bone to pick. You however....

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 21:30 | 2067524 philipat
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Somebody finally pointed out to Obama that re-election and 5 Dollar gas are not mutually consistent?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 01:33 | 2067995 CompassionateFascist
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MsCreant is a "sleeper" agent.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 13:46 | 2068934 matrix2012
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Canaduh, appreciate your FALSE FLAG links!

note when dealing with trolls...

"Don’t argue with Idiots.. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience" :D 

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:23 | 2066691 PY-129-20
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Don't look at me. We just export those things. New Dolphin Class ships for Israel and 200 of the newest Leopard Tanks for SA (I still would prefer the M1A2 - of course the cannon was also made by Rheinmetall).

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:53 | 2066744 Slartebartfast
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He's not joking.  He's a troll.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 21:55 | 2067583 StychoKiller
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How's the fiords on Earth V2.0 coming along? :>D

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:02 | 2066642 Snidley Whipsnae
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Trav777... You ommited Gold Finger, Odd Job and Pussy Galore.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 13:28 | 2068880 matrix2012
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the plot will get much higher credibility if 'they' ever sacrifice one or two aircraft carriers there. having eleven losing two isn't a really big deal. 

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:48 | 2066452 PaperBear
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Pavlovian response.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:25 | 2066812 akak
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Speaking of Pavlovian responses, was anyone else rather offended by the misleading and disingenuous (used that word just for you, WonderDawg) headline of this story?  Since when did the slight relaxation of grossly unjustified saber-rattling and warmongering provocation come to constitute "appeasement"?  For a second there, I thought I was reading Paul Wolfowitz or Bill Kristol(nacht), not Tyler Durden.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:26 | 2066224 Caviar Emptor
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Or a false-false flag (even trickier)

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:42 | 2066267 jerry_theking_lawler
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So, when exactly are the two CVN (carrier groups) parked in the persian gulf region coming home??


oh wait, they aren't.....we have 3 other more super carriers under construction or on order for continued for 'dominance'....

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:53 | 2066292 Oh regional Indian
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Where ever this coming war get's played out (it is a game after all), it will be remembered for the great failure of THE white elephants of the Sea, the fabled aircraft carrier.

I've served on one, much smaller than anything the size of these behemoths, and it was a behemoth. And a white elephant. 

Nice to be above deck on a starry night and all that, but Guzzle Guzzle. And it's hand maiden's in tow.

It's a fractal world, Naval wars will be fought above and below the surface. And in agile man-machine combinations.

Most floating crap is just that, crap.



Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:02 | 2066315 Snidley Whipsnae
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Right on Ori... In deep water there are only two types of vessels. Submarines and targets.

I spent a lot of time in the navy looking for the former... we had little success finding them.

BTW, a modern nuke powered sub is a hell of a lot faster than most would believe.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:10 | 2066345 SamAdams1234
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Think before committing.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:30 | 2066396 Oh regional Indian
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Hah, a navy Man. Precisely SW. Up on high or deep below.

So many new stealth subs. And because they are so secret, no one has even seen them. Mini subs, mini nuclear subs....coatings, propulsion systems... and then the missiles. Mach 6. Intelligent. Full evasion systems. Asymmetric flight patterns. Super long range. Super skimmers. Torpissiles....

It's going to be a heck of a show in the water, that is for sure.


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:41 | 2066429 mick_richfield
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Isn't Mach 6 cruise something that only got tested last year (and then only with partial success) ?

I think the 64 trillion dollar question right now is whether Phalanx ship defense system can defeat a Mach 2.5 Oniks missile.  And I -- would not want to bet on it.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 17:34 | 2066988 bonderøven-farm ass
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The Phalanx is a joke....It's loud and shakes the deck like hell, but it sure as shit isn't taking out any missles.  Unless the tracking devices have improved dramitically since my Gulf tour, I'd consider them all but worthless.....

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 19:50 | 2067232 mick_richfield
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I assume that on aircraft carriers these systems are up at the flight deck level, although I can't see them in any pictures.  If they are, say 150 feet above sea level, then when a mach 2.5 missile comes over the horizon, the Phalanx would have 28 seconds to impact.  From the time the weapon enters Phalanx effective range, it has about 4 seconds to impact.


I think the flattops -- need lasers.  Or something.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 01:38 | 2068003 CompassionateFascist
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Y'all missed the point. When the target is a carrier, there'll be scores of missiles incoming. Defense saturated. Some will hit deck and superstructure. Ditto w torpedoes/suicide boats. Some will hit hull. First US carrier thru the straits is going down. That, in fact, is the script. No false flag necessary.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:15 | 2066535 Snidley Whipsnae
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Ori, up on high. First P2V Neptunes and then P3 Orions. Both land based... too big to operate off carriers... Thus, the need for many fields to operate from in the Med/Mid East. We shared fields with Greeks, Azores, Canadian Maritimes, Italians, Malta, Puerto Rico, Crete, Spain, various N African countries, England, Ireland, France (quietly), Cyprus, Turkey... You name it, we were there.

Lots of stuff went down that didn't make the news...and I can't say much about it.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:21 | 2066687 Oh regional Indian
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Interesting SW. I'm having flashbacks of my days in white. Quite the experience, on so many levels.


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:40 | 2066425 WmMcK
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Whose subs were you looking for?  Once upon a time you could locate the ones from the USSR with a TLD (even without sonar).

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:45 | 2066442 Oh regional Indian
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I think you just dated yourself.

Remember the Chinese Sub that caem up in LA harbour? And near a US ship in exercise too? Very recently?


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 17:05 | 2066927 RichardP
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Perhaps there is some use in letting the Chinese think we didn't see them ... when in fact we did?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 21:59 | 2067595 StychoKiller
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Wheels within wheels within ...

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:27 | 2066566 Snidley Whipsnae
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"Whose subs were you looking for?"


Mostly CCCP, sometimes others. I cannot discuss methods, equipment. Like I said, nuke subs are extremely fast. Running a solution for a nuke boat is unfair to any above surface opponent.

I'm sure technology is much better now... but our equipment wasn't shabby. A nuke can run at better than half the speed of an aircraft attempting to resolve location. Think about that.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:26 | 2066820 weinerdog43
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"Whose subs were you looking for?"

These aren't the subs you were looking for.  <waves hand>

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:05 | 2066512 Jack Burton
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I had the same experience Snidley. Though I began as a submarine sonar technician later getting booted up to surface ships for medical reasons. Still, it was amazing to experience it from both sides.

You are correct, when a well run boat does not want to be found, it is rarely found! In expercises, it was common to hide from the surface ASW awhile and then expose ourselves so they had a target to practice on. Most times we decided if we wanted to be detected.


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:34 | 2066581 Snidley Whipsnae
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Jack Burton... Exactly my experience.

Once a year we would go to Rosy Roads Pureto Rico for two weeks to work with nukes in deep water.

They toyed with us. lol

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 17:25 | 2066679 Manthong
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So, anybody know if we ever did anything to replace the VP Navy and SOSUS?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 22:05 | 2067617 StychoKiller
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Signs point to yes.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:11 | 2066346 quintago
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This is punishment for the Mossad being caught red handed recently impersonating the CIA in Baluchistan province to provoke sectarian violence in Iran through the recruitment, arming, and promotion of the Jundullah.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 14:09 | 2068972 matrix2012
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IIRG should have acquired some Chinese-made low cost solution of Dong Feng 21D to play with this luxurious carriers :D having the fat cat tamer will surely bite their very nerves!

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:34 | 2066242 Floordawg
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Good logic, john39... It seems this engagement (war) has already started.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:41 | 2066262 disabledvet
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i agree. as reported here (and only here i might add) "the hyperinflation has begun in Iran."

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2066388 Floordawg
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Covert operations are the tip of the spear, financial warfare (as you mentioned D.V.), cyber warfare (stuxnet), espionage/assassination (Iranian nuclear scientist/magnetic bomb). The precursors/evidence are there to lead straight to an out right shooting war.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 17:08 | 2066931 WhiteNight123129
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I would lose money hand over fist on my Gold and Oil rather than see a conflict.


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:25 | 2066223 a growing concern
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Can I get a hint?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:40 | 2066259 GeneMarchbanks
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Obama is so far the best answer, I was going for _______ however.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:42 | 2066264 whoopsing
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Broke,as in BROKE BITCHES!!

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:05 | 2066509 Oh regional Indian
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Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:38 | 2066254 bentaxle
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Nuk 'em

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:39 | 2066421 LasVegasDave
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Bad for me; I just went short poetry and long glass cleaner.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:59 | 2066488 DCFusor
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Great strategy.  We just rope-a-dope them endlessly and keep them spending readiness money endlessly till they run out.  Oh, wait...already happening.  Meanwhile, you probably can't move a potatoe chip in Iran right now without us picking it up on the satellite photo diffs.  Anything they do to "get more ready" reveals itself to us...

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:04 | 2066651 Kiwi Pete
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Isn't that what they're doing to you?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:00 | 2066756 gangland
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pfft this is very embarrassing, imagine being a fly on the wall in the kremlin, in hu's office, who is the current nato supreme komander? gcc must be shitting pants. unreal. it was just 10k or so troops? this is bullshit, theyre negotiating behind the scenes, but why publicly shame yourself?


tin foil hat on: is iran that close? wtf is going on this makes no sense, this blows game theory out of the water, no way it couldve predicted this.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 20:28 | 2067322 delacroix
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iran already has a warhead. they have duplicated it many times. what they don't have, is fissionable material, to arm them, but they're workin on it. you don't need to develop a weapon, when you can reverse engineer someone else's.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:10 | 2066188 Caviar Emptor
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Barack of Arabia

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:15 | 2066190 LetThemEatRand
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The unthinking blood hungry sheep won't like this.   But it's probably all a ruse to make it appear that the U.S. and Israel were backing down when whatever false flag attack occurs.  The Republican candidates (except Paul) will make this a huge campaign issue, which will drive home the message for all who will listen that the U.S. was standing down.  Then "Iran" will blow something up, which in context will seem unprovoked.  The sheep will probably get their war and Obama will play the reluctant leader who had no choice but to commit troops and many, many, many drones.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:38 | 2066209 Azannoth
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You can hardly take "budgetary concerns" as a serious excuse, they are probably going to skip the pleasantries and start a proper war instead, I am guessing the bombs will start flying real soon, a big and long exercise would only deplete the ammunition and make it impossible to start a real war until all the assets get redeployed back into theater of war afterwards, and the 'exercise' was only an excuse to deploy even more troops into the ME and around Israel, soon things will get real

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:34 | 2066407 Randall Cabot
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Good point LETR. Iran did promise retaliation after the last scientist got whacked so izzy will wait for that to happen and spin it as an unprovoked sneak attack.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:11 | 2066193 Quintus
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Budget reasons?  The US has a budget now?  When did that happen?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:28 | 2066210 agent default
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You are right it doesn't.  Never really did as of the last few years.  This is precisely why this is a bit worrying.  The West is weakening, and it is beginning to show.  If you ever wondered if there will be an unwind of the system, take this piece of news as a guide.  It is happening, it is accelerating and it is already hindering other sectors apart from the financial one.  It be will worse than any article ZH could ever describe, because it is not only a financial site.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:00 | 2066309 Alex Kintner
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General Patton:
You know how I'm sure they're finished out there?
The carts.
They're using carts to move their wounded and the supplies.
The carts came to me in my dream.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 17:48 | 2067018 my puppy for prez
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Such a wise and perceptive statement!  

It really does make the US appear in quite a wimpy light.  TPTB deserves to be put in their place

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2066213 GeneMarchbanks
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Since Timmy visited China and realized that infinite credit only exists in the brain of Shalom.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:23 | 2066220 Quintus
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It'd be nice if they could formalise this new reality by, oh I don't know, maybe passing a budget bill or something?  Old fashioned concept I know, but it just might work.  :-)

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:46 | 2066276 PaperWillBurn
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China told Timmy to fuck off and fuck your sanctions. "Budget" meaning if the U.S keeps pushing Iran, China will pull the rug from under the $.



Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:15 | 2066357 GeneMarchbanks
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Correct. Chinese government and transnational corporations will jostle for influence over US 'government' policy concerning all things economic from now on. The battle for influence rages...

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 14:28 | 2069023 matrix2012
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how to pull the $$$rug if they can install a new regulation to ban the selling of the moty-bills...?? something as boosted for experimentation by FT

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:32 | 2066232 Zero Debt
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Systematic budgeting in a debt-based fiat currency system consists of:

- Estimate how many days there are left till the debt ceiling/bailout package is exhausted
- Steal the last pennies from the treasury to instill a sense of fear, urgency and hysteria
- Invite key establishment figures for a cheerful bipartisan dinner buffet to foster a friendly climate of cooperation
- Determine which companies, constituents and individals most urgently need to be bribed
- Identify a communication strategy to keep the confidence game going
- Propose an outrageously large increase in the debt as a matter of being "fiscally conservative"
- Invite pre-screened propaganda department representatives to take photos and hail the outcome as a success

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:18 | 2066798 akak
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You forgot to mention (at least on the state level) proposing, or even implementing, draconian budget and service cuts to those programs and agencies which are most critical to the public, or at least most publicly visible, to instill a false sense of urgency to the situation, and to rationalize the "necessity" of bringing in ever-more tax revenue to maintain "necessary services".

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:58 | 2066306 e-recep
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libya operation finished as quickly as possible,
troops left iraq,
usa-uk coalition cannot hit syria as it did iraq on its own.
losing ground in pakistan and several ex-soviet countries.
space shuttle grounded for good.
us troops vote against the us establishment, probably hate wall street.
money is tight.

i see serious cuts. i don't understand how you don't see any.

printed money *still* does not directly end up in the pockets of the army. (hence *still* no hyperinflation).

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 20:08 | 2067273 krispkritter
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No one in this Administration can even spell 'budget' let alone craft one. 

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 06:04 | 2068197 WillieNelsonListener
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Some one explain to who? that US is broke, and can't afford WWIII?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:14 | 2066199 spinone
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Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:45 | 2066274 holdbuysell
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Like the avatar...funny shows

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:14 | 2066200 rsnoble
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So are budget reasons the real story here? Or do the bankers really have all the $ now?  If we aren't doing exercises because we're broke we're fkd.  Don't get me wrong I don't support them but this sounds ridiculous.

I recently heard the vets coming back are going to be trained to be vegetable farmers because there's no jobs.  Surely someone in tip top physical condition could find a job in a country with only 8.5% unemployment.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:57 | 2066304 DeadFred
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The real budget considerations are how short is Goldman in oil futures now and how much will the DOW be up on Tuesday when South Carolina has it's primary? It would be interesting to see how many DOW points it take to drop Ron Paul's return results but to do that it would be best to compare UP election results with DOWN days. Sadly with all election days occuring after overnight futures ramp-ups we will never know.

My MilSci classes taught that the role of the military is to pursue political goals by the use or threat of force. The question is what are the political goals.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:16 | 2066204 Zero Debt
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Cue defense contractor spokesperson urging Obama to "save jobs"

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:17 | 2066205 Outlaw Of The W...
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pass the fedora around.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:18 | 2066207 Mongo
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On a long enough timeline the US will go bankrupt

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:27 | 2066226 a growing concern
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I don't think your timeline has to be all that long.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:38 | 2066253 jerry_theking_lawler
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yes.....200 years....we've been bankrupt for 36 years now...

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:18 | 2066208 Ex-Pat
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Everyone stand down.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2066216 whoopsing
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Hey brother,can you spare a du shell ?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2066217 Yousif
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"The show must go on" I guess.

It feels as if I'm watching the past for some reason.

Same old, same old, a few peasants dieing here, a few peasants dieing there.

It's really time to snap out of this stupid trance.

We, as a species, are much better than this.  Let us not squander our existence for some narciscist dullards.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:48 | 2066878 KK Tipton
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Check my comments in the "New CBO report – Lower (not increase) the early retirement age!" article.

Some people come out of the woodwork in confusion. Happens when ya make em think.
Many in the US don't even believe we live in a hyper-militaristic society.

The trance will be broken pretty the warmongers and money/power thieves themselves. Cool eh!
Self defeat is built in. The timeline is long though in human terms.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 17:15 | 2066949 RichardP
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Are you saying that people are still in a trance (still to be broken) after our attack on Iraq?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 17:42 | 2067002 my puppy for prez
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Even's the new normal!

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 20:20 | 2067313 KK Tipton
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It's like what happens to serial killers. They can only kill so many...before they get found out....or something bad happens to them. They are self limiting. Serial killers can't kill unlimited amounts of people.

Evil is self limiting, self defeating. It comes to an end.
Some other evil may start up again, but it too burns out.

Good is the bedrock. It's the natural default state of things.
Good is always with us......evil has to leave. It has no place to hide.

Humanity is finally realizing and internalizing this truth. The trance is barely maintained these days.
Despite the words to the contrary in mass media.

Get it?


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:22 | 2066218 disabledvet
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Leave it to Bulgarian Intelligence to sound disappointed by it all. Let's look at the progress of these joint excercises YTD:
i'm sure after a full "half day" of news coverage someone will try and get to the bottom of "how the phuck a ship that big can run aground period."

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:22 | 2066219 americanspirit
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The 9000 US troops and their THAAD missles (all 48 of them) will remain in Israel, so Israel is officially 'safe' from high altitude ballistic missile attack. At least as long as the supply of THAAD missles isn't exhausted and, of course, if the Israelis don't cooperate those missiles might not 'work' when needed anyway. Then there's all those thousands of low altitude missiles in Lebanon and Gaza that THAAD isn't designed to intercept - oh, wait, that's where the 'Iron Dome' systems ( all 2 of them) come in. Whew. I was worried for a moment there.

Meanwhile the US fields 3 (not 2) carrier groups within striking distance of Iran. The official word is that budgetary constraints have delayed these 'exercises'? I wonder how much it costs per day to keep three carrier groups at sea? Doesn't sound like 'budget constraints' are the reason these exercises have been 'delayed'.

Sounds like push is coming to shove.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:58 | 2066305 Sizzurp
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I had imagine Putin made some choice comments, and he usually doesn't mince words.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:27 | 2066225 ElvisDog
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I would just like to say to all the retards who were breathlessly posting their "war is imminent", "it's going to go thermonuclear very quickly", etc. comments - "Told You So". Go back to your Tom Clancy novels or watch "Mission Impossible" one more time. It's not in the interests of the Oligarchies who run the U.S., China, Russia to have WWIII, so it most likely won't happen.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:38 | 2066252 disabledvet
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"most likely"? thank God for that. "This ain't a stand-off with Russia" ElvisDog with "Mutual Assured Destruction" guaranteed...though i think everyone appreciates the sentiment that "nuclear exchanges are a bad idea." Who knew that a single fruit vendor could cause the entire Middles East to explode of course....

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:52 | 2066288 ElvisDog
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single fruit vendor could cause the entire Middles East to explode of course

I think things got away from TPTB temporarily, but they quickly closed ranks. Did the Egypt revolution really work out for the people of Egypt? I don't think so. The army took over, so the Arab Spring in Egypt replaced Mubarak for some army Field Marshall who is part of the Oligarchy. I have to believe that the U.S. and specifically the CIA are calling the shots now in Libya, so most likely no improvement there. I don't know much about the current situation in Tunisia.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:43 | 2066272 Alex Kintner
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What part of "War is Good for Business" don't you get? Gotta keep those MIC smokestacks belching.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:58 | 2066302 ElvisDog
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Think from the point of view of an oligarch. You and your colleagues have absolute power. You control most of the wealth. You're already at the top of the pyramid, so what you want most is to maintain the status quo. Now, talking tough is in your interests, because it keeps the domestic audience happy. But a full-blown shooting war with another powerful set of oligarchs is not in your interest because it would jeopardize the status quo.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:09 | 2066519 Alex Kintner
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Um. I was being a snark. But yeah.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:10 | 2066344 DeadFred
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"It's not in the interests of the Oligarchies who run the U.S., China, Russia to have WWIII"

True, but someone is making a killing is oil futures. 102 to let's say 92 in a few days is going to give someone some nice pocket change. It's interesting that this occurs on the weekend when only the players with inside info will be able to profit from it. But of course I'm just being paranoid.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:28 | 2066390 ElvisDog
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You're not being paranoid at all. I'm sure there is a wife of a central banker somewhere who is making a fortune on this development....

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:28 | 2066227 etresoi
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What really happened is the Mossad pinned the murder of the Iranian nuclear scientist on the CIA  Iran gave the evidence to the US Stae department through the Swiss and Obama is righteously pissed.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:03 | 2066318 Everybodys All ...
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Obama righteous? Fourth scientist in Iran and drones still working in Pakistan. Obama maybe righteous but not in this case.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:28 | 2066228 Jayda1850
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Either Iran truly does have evidence the nuclear scientist was assasinated by the CIA or the adminstartion realize any joint wargames in the gulf would send oil prices spiking, especially with nigerian issues, that it would hurt economy destroying any chance of the great one's re-election.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:50 | 2066284 PaperWillBurn
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They WANT higher oil prices. The Yuan has been replacing the $ in Asian trade so the $ needs to somehow increase it's usage to fill in the gap. A higher oil price increases demand and all is well in the $ world

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:43 | 2066864 Infinite QE
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IDF Chief Of Staff Affirms Israeli Responsibility For Iran Covert War, Assassinations

Fox News reports that IDF chief of staff Benny Gantz testified in closed session to the Israeli Knesset’s foreign affairs and defense committee that Israel was engaged in sabotaging Iran’s nuclear program through a series of “unnatural” acts:

“2012 is expected to be a critical year for Iran.” He cited “the confluence of efforts to advance the nuclear program, internal leadership changes, continued international pressure and things that happen to it unnaturally.”

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:29 | 2066231 dick cheneys ghost
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head fake?...........


"And in other news, in response to the latest discovery that Russia not only was using Syrian ports to park its military ships, but to supply the locals with ammunition we get this:"...................................they have a navy base there.....


will "they" now try to collaspe the price of oil to fuck russia and iran?............

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 21:45 | 2067560 jonjon831983
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The base is actually old news:


Quite interesting.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:32 | 2066239 mickeyman
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Next up will be Obama kowtowing to Ahmedinijad while he asks if the US can please, please, please, pretty please supply its troops in Afghanistan using the Iranian route because Pakistan isn't allowing their trucks through.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:35 | 2066247 john39
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as dumb as obummer is, even he knows that ain't gonna happen...   instead, the U.S. taxpayer gets foot the bill for airlifting supplies into the deathtrap otherwise known as afghanistan.    rummors of a coup in pakistan, too early to tell which side comes out on top, pro or anti NWO.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:36 | 2066250 Blank Reg
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Jeeze! Whadda screaming dumbshit!

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:38 | 2066255 Coldfire
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"Appeasement"?! Your slip is showing.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:33 | 2066405 blindman
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that use of the word appeasement didn't sit right here
either. wasn't that famously used to describe one
chamberlain's political arrangement with the nazis after
the invasion of / annexation of ..... from wiki.
" The Munich Agreement

Main article: Munich Agreement

Under the Versailles Settlement, Czechoslovakia was created, including the Sudetenland, which had a majority German population. In April 1938, Sudeten Nazis, led by Konrad Henlein, agitated for autonomy. Chamberlain, faced with the danger of a German invasion, warned Hitler that Britain might intervene. Hitler ordered an attack on Czechoslovakia. Lord Runciman was sent by Chamberlain to mediate in Prague and persuaded the Czech government to grant the Sudeten virtual autonomy. Henlein broke off negotiations and Hitler railed against Prague.[11]

In September, Chamberlain flew to Berchtesgaden to negotiate directly with Hitler, hoping to avoid war. Hitler now demanded that the Sudetenland should be absorbed into Germany, convincing Chamberlain that refusal meant war. Chamberlain, with France, told the Czech president that he must hand to Germany all territory with a German majority. Czechoslovakia would thus lose 800,000 citizens, much of its industry and its mountain defences in the west. In effect, the British and French pressed their ally to cede territory to a hostile neighbour to prevent annihilation.

Hitler then informed Chamberlain that Germany was about to occupy the Sudetenland and that the Czechoslovaks had to move out. The Czechoslovaks rejected the demand, as did the British and the French. Mussolini persuaded Hitler to put the dispute to a four-power conference. Czechoslovakia was not to be a party to these talks. On 29 September, Hitler, Chamberlain, Édouard Daladier (the French Prime Minister) and Mussolini met in Munich. They agreed that Germany would complete its occupation of the Sudetenland, but an international commission would consider other disputed areas. Czechoslovakia was told that if it did not submit, it would stand alone. At Chamberlain's request, Hitler signed a peace treaty between the United Kingdom and Germany. Chamberlain returned to Britain promising "peace for our time". In March 1939, Chamberlain foresaw a possible disarmament conference between himself, Daladier, Hitler, Mussolini and Joseph Stalin; his home secretary, Samuel Hoare, said, "These five men, working together in Europe and blessed in their efforts by the President of the United States of America, might make themselves eternal benefactors of the human race."[12] That month, Czechoslovakia ceased to exist, divided among Germany, Hungary, Poland, and an independent Slovakia." ...
the problem is iran has not occupied afghanistan and iraq. the usa has !
where be the nazis and fascists in this historic analogy?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:49 | 2066456 Randall Cabot
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You have to do some research on the Versailles Treaty to understand WWII:

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:01 | 2066490 blindman
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i get it. as par usual follow the
fiat money back to the titanic, the morgue
and the global cabal. de population is
not just a river in africa.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:48 | 2066610 blindman
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from the link .. 1961
A Jewish Defector Warns America:
Benjamin Freedman Speaks on Zionism

"So, what do we face now? If we trigger a world war that may develop into a nuclear war, humanity is finished. And why will it take place? It will take place because Act III. . . the curtain goes up on Act III. Act I was World War I. Act II was World War II. Act III is going to be World War III.

The Jews of the world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined that they are going to again use the United States to help them permanently retain Palestine as their foothold for their world government. Now, that is just as true as I am standing here, because not alone have I read it, but many here have read it, and it's known all over the world.

Now, what are we going to do? The life you save may be your son's. Your boys may be on their way to that war tonight; and you you don't know it any more than you knew that in 1916 in London the Zionists made a deal with the British War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you know it at that time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't permitted to know it.

Who knew it? President Wilson knew it. Colonel House knew it. Other 's knew it. Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there." ...
apparently mr. freedman is already dead so if his ideas and recollections
make your blood boil it is too late to tell him.
Benjamin Freedman: Defector from Jewish Supremacism, part 3
by Kevin Alfred Strom
American Dissident Voices Broadcast of December 4, 2004

"United by blood, these four Jews -- Benjamin Freedman, Chaim Weizmann, Louis Brandeis, and Samuel Untermyer -- worked for the same ends. They carried out a successful conspiracy to capture the government of the United States in order to use it to advance the cause of Zionism -- and it is still being so used today. But one of them broke ranks and informed on his fellows. This is his amazing story of intrigue, deception, adultery, blackmail, and terror. " ..

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:39 | 2066257 Alex Kintner
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Does Syria have any scientists that need to be blown up? Send in the Munich team (Mossad).

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:39 | 2066258 Van Halen
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ZeroHedge, you got it all wrong!

It's not 'appeasement'!

We're all part of a global village...

... or something.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:49 | 2066278 Alex Kintner
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I will burn down this village in order to save it. Or at least so I can bask in the warmth.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:42 | 2066265 dick cheneys ghost
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Watch what they do, not what they say............are the carrier groups coming home?..............


too much dis-information in these newspapers

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:50 | 2066282 ZeroSpread
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The carriers are there for a reason. They need to save Iranians captured by pirates. Good press you know! 

(are pirates actually an official part of our budget?)  

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:54 | 2066294 john39
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yes, probably somewhere in the Al-CIA-duh funding...

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:09 | 2066336 karzai_luver
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why the hell not let the pirates capture the scientists?

Win Win............then we could "rescue" them..................

/snarc not available for comment........source&methods protection and all that...............

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 21:58 | 2067591 jonjon831983
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Shit... before we "rescue" them now the pirates have nuclear scientists that they can ransom off to an interested 3rd party or develop their own nukes in their super secret evil genious pirate treasure hideout.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:29 | 2066394 Snidley Whipsnae
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"The carriers are there for a reason"


Yeah, and the carriers were there in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, for a reason.

Oil... and the control of the flow of oil, and what currencies that oil is transacted in.  

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:42 | 2066266 RobotTrader
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Looks like oil is going to crash and the IBD Top 50 "Riverboater Specials" are going to accelerate even higher.


Consumer stocks like Tractor Supply, Lululemon, and Ulta Salons are going parabolic.

There is going to be a lot of headscratching next week by the "experts".

- Eric King and all the KWN pundits

- General Jim and his CIGA's

- Jim Puplava and John Loeffler

- Virtually 95% of the posters at Zero Hedge

They must look at these charts and kick themselves for missing these opportunities while constantly clinging to the "gloom", "hyperinflation", and "systemic collapse" scenarios.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:48 | 2066280 Hulk
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As long as your definition of a crash is down a buck, you are correct sir!

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 20:05 | 2067268 Hephasteus
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The defining moments of zerohedge.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:55 | 2066289 francis_sawyer
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They must look at these charts and kick themselves for missing these opportunities

I can quite honestly say that I feel no depravation by NOT having any interest in looking at LULULEMON charts, or buying any of their outfits... Nada... Zip... Zilch... None whatsoever...

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:55 | 2066296 Eally Ucked
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Look at your charts if you wish, but its getting really annoying. You must be some person with unresolved mental problems, get a shrink! You can afford it, at least your post suggest that (haha!)

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:33 | 2066403 Snidley Whipsnae
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Robo... Don't neglect to load up on Bed Bath and Beyond and buy up some of those boarded up shopping centers on the cheap.

Nail salons will probably come back big time, eh?

BTW, how is your Barnes and Nobel doing?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 04:46 | 2068166 akak
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Don't forget his endless pumping/pimping of Netflix.

How'd all that NFLX stock work out for you, RobotShitforbrains?
Did you enjoy the feel of that blowtorch burning your ass --- and your wallet?

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:46 | 2066447 AC_Doctor
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RoboRoach,  keep trading your paper!  It will never lose its value!  Now back to your crevice in your windowless word little buggy...

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:44 | 2066271 Fix It Again Timmy
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Good choice, USA and Israel, for one should never underestimate one's opponent:


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:47 | 2066277 Paul Bogdanich
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Some of ZH contributors / editors are insane.  The corolary of the headline would have been "Germany Appeases Russia" had Hitler decided to delay attacking Russia by a year back in 1941.  You can't "appease" anyone when you are the aggressor and no matter what horseshit spin you put on it we are clearly the agressors here.  Our consternation is merely because people are not appeasing us.       

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:14 | 2066354 xela2200
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And don't forget that Israel will attack either way before one of their sworn enemies has a nuke. A nuke which Iran is now under pressure to build as they know it is the only thing that will save their regime. There are only 2 reasons the us is backing out 1) it is a bluff, so that Iran lowers its guard or 2) the Chinese and/or Russians raised the stakes. The US no longer can bully other countries into supporting its war like bush did with Iraq.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:37 | 2066413 Snidley Whipsnae
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Or... 3) US/Israel are afraid that Iran really can close Strait of Hormuz and have enough cells in Saudia Arabia to take down the oil infrastructure for an indefinite time.

If SA oil stops flowing TSHTF.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:02 | 2066494 Randall Cabot
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Does it really matter that Germany attacked Russia first? If they didn't, Russia would have eventually attacked Germany and all of Europe anyway. And there is a strong argument made in the book Icebreaker that an an invasion of Western Europe by Russia was imminent:

Suvorov challenges the widely-accepted view that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime attacked an unsuspecting USSR on June 22, 1941 with a much superior and better prepared force. Instead, Suvorov argues that the Soviet Union was poised to invade Nazi-controlled territories in July 1941.

Suvorov claims that Stalin successfully manipulated Hitler into removing the "buffer zone" (Poland) between Europe and the USSR. Suvorov further argues that Stalin's goal was the export of communism to other countries. Once Hitler 'broke the ice', Soviet victory in the large-scale war that followed would enable the USSR to impose Stalinist regimes on most of Europe. In this theory, Nazi military aggression would ironically form the icebreaker for a communist invasion.

Suvorov is often accused (or praised by historical revisionists) of shifting the blame of World War II on Stalin and thus removing the blame from Hitler; however, the actual content of the book contains no praise of Hitler or justification of his terror. In his later books, Suvorov insists that Stalin was a true evil genius (although unlucky), while reducing Hitler to a grossly incompetent evil.

Suvorov mounts two arguments in support of his thesis. The principal argument is based on analysis of available data on troop numbers, weaponry, locations and behaviour, matched against technical specifications and Soviet tactics. To support the main argument, Suvorov argues that Stalin perceived the outcome of World War II as a loss.


Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:51 | 2066286 Gunga
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I'm so tired of this constant state of war the USA maintains

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 15:46 | 2066713 Getting Old Sucks
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Constant?  No.  There's been 34 (scattered) peaceful full years in our country's history.  Sarcastic?  Yes.  True? Yes.

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