Appeasement Arrives: Joint US-Israel Exercise Postponed For "Budget Reasons", US Will Not Enforce No Fly Zone Over Syria
First we had news that out of the blue, the Western embargo against Iranian oil exports would be delayed by 6 months, and now, in the aftermath of last night's developments out of Iran which blamed the CIA for the murder of its nuclear scientist we get this (from Bloomberg):
- ISRAEL, U.S. POSTPONE MILITARY EXERCISE, ISRAEL RADIO SAYS
- JOINT EXERCISE POSTPONED FOR BUDGET REASONS, RADIO SAYS
- U.S.-ISRAELI EXERCISE PLANNED TO BE BIGGEST EVER, RADIO SAYS
- EXERCISE WAS TO TAKE PLACE IN NEXT FEW MONTHS, RADIO SAYS
And just so it doesn't look like a total cave in:
- ISRAEL SAYS JOINT U.S. MILITARY EXERCISE STILL UNDER DISCUSSION
As a reminder Iran made it very clear an escalation in joint US-Israel war game cooperation would be met with yet another miliary exercise out of Iran.
And in other news, in response to the latest discovery that Russia not only was using Syrian ports to park its military ships, but to supply the locals with ammunition we get this:
- AGUE SAYS NOT LOOKING AT NO-FLY ZONE OVER SYRIA
So how long until the word "appeasement" makes its way into the popular jargon yet again.
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Obama
the troops and equipment are all in place already, no? so the exercises were used to justify the buildup. now they sit, armed to the teeth and ready, just in case a false flag "unexpectedly" happens...
It seems so obvious, yet 90% of the public would accuse you of an affinity for tin foil.
they sank that cruise ship. OBVIOUS CIA/Mossad false flag, probably with MI6
The thing about false flags is they are meant to blame a specific entity. So who will be blamed for this?
You can't tell with Trav, but I thought he was joking.
Expose the wicked intentions the Zionist warmongers and the Soetoro administration have in mind of igniting a war in the Persian Gulf. The phrase these misanthropes hate most is called FALSE FLAG.
Israeli submarines deployed in the Sea of Oman will sink an American warship that happens to be navigating close to the Strait of Hormuz - an attack to subsequently be blamed on Iran. Most likely one of these Zionist submarines (Type 800 Dolphin class) is already operating in the Sea of Oman:
INS Dolphin
INS Livyathan
INS Tekumah
Another plausible way by which Barry & Associates (including the Zionist warmongers) could justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another FALSE FLAG ATTACK on continental United States: a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration that may kill dozens of thousands of civilians. This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Israel's Mossad and British MI6 to subsequently be blamed on elements of Iran’s IRGC.
SPREAD THE WORD: FALSE FLAG
Educate the masses about what FALSE FLAG operations are all about
I do believe that ZH has just been the victim of a False Fag attack.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/israel-used-false-flag-operation-recruit-anti-iran-223815985.html
Nope, never happens. Preposterous. Harumph.
Gosh and I just thought "False Fag" for the troll Wanklord (who, by the way, is Wanking on your punk ass) was fucking funny...
A real fag I would never actually harass.
I hate explaining my jokes.
FUUUCK!
Here's a better link, sorry.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag?page=full
Oh, and fuck you.
That's cool, but did you get my joke, False Fag? Get it?
See the Wanklord is a performance artist. Whatever point of view he is putting out there he is spoofing. He does not really believe it. So what that means is that you got suckered in. Now you get it? By trying to defend him and sell me on it, you are just digging it deeper. Wanklord does not believe this stuff. He is mocking those who do. It is irrelevant if I believe it or not. The wanker was wanking you.
Are we all caught up now?
I'll go fuck myself later, or better yet, I'll get help from a loved one.
Yes, I got your lame joke the first time.
Yes, I know how the trolls operate on this board. I'm not 10 years old, and I don't need your self aggrandizing explanations.
I was trying to counter his obvious lampooning of those who believe in false flags with a link to a legitimate article discussing just that. I don't care if I am 'wanked' or not. (PS,in the text of my original post, I was 'wanking' those who do not believe in false flags)
I was hoping you wouldn't drag this out further.
I'll go fuck myself later, or better yet, I'll get help from a loved one.
If I had said 'go fuck yourself' I suppose that wold have been a witty comeback. Reading comprehension is not one of your strengths.
Isn't it interesting, the need to over explain and drag it out?
The Wanklord is indeed Lord. I defer all the glory to the Wankster. We are both but Wankfodder in the great Wankfest that is his.
Not necessarily, maybe someone new to his tactics will read our spat, and figure a few things out. His attempt to muddy the waters may have clarified it a bit for some.
Canaduh ur a retard
MS creant was trolling you now do I have to explain that by going thru the whole process again
Actually Mr. 3 weeks 3 days, MsCreant has been contributing to this forum long enough for me to know she is not a troll, she just had a bone to pick. You however....
Somebody finally pointed out to Obama that re-election and 5 Dollar gas are not mutually consistent?
MsCreant is a "sleeper" agent.
Canaduh, appreciate your FALSE FLAG links!
note when dealing with trolls...
"Don’t argue with Idiots.. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience" :D
Don't look at me. We just export those things. New Dolphin Class ships for Israel and 200 of the newest Leopard Tanks for SA (I still would prefer the M1A2 - of course the cannon was also made by Rheinmetall).
He's not joking. He's a troll.
How's the fiords on Earth V2.0 coming along? :>D
Trav777... You ommited Gold Finger, Odd Job and Pussy Galore.
the plot will get much higher credibility if 'they' ever sacrifice one or two aircraft carriers there. having eleven losing two isn't a really big deal.
Pavlovian response.
Speaking of Pavlovian responses, was anyone else rather offended by the misleading and disingenuous (used that word just for you, WonderDawg) headline of this story? Since when did the slight relaxation of grossly unjustified saber-rattling and warmongering provocation come to constitute "appeasement"? For a second there, I thought I was reading Paul Wolfowitz or Bill Kristol(nacht), not Tyler Durden.
Or a false-false flag (even trickier)
So, when exactly are the two CVN (carrier groups) parked in the persian gulf region coming home??
oh wait, they aren't.....we have 3 other more super carriers under construction or on order for continued for 'dominance'....
Where ever this coming war get's played out (it is a game after all), it will be remembered for the great failure of THE white elephants of the Sea, the fabled aircraft carrier.
I've served on one, much smaller than anything the size of these behemoths, and it was a behemoth. And a white elephant.
Nice to be above deck on a starry night and all that, but Guzzle Guzzle. And it's hand maiden's in tow.
It's a fractal world, Naval wars will be fought above and below the surface. And in agile man-machine combinations.
Most floating crap is just that, crap.
ori
pyr-cone-amid/
Right on Ori... In deep water there are only two types of vessels. Submarines and targets.
I spent a lot of time in the navy looking for the former... we had little success finding them.
BTW, a modern nuke powered sub is a hell of a lot faster than most would believe.
http://youtu.be/KUpNX2c0sLY
Think before committing.
Hah, a navy Man. Precisely SW. Up on high or deep below.
So many new stealth subs. And because they are so secret, no one has even seen them. Mini subs, mini nuclear subs....coatings, propulsion systems... and then the missiles. Mach 6. Intelligent. Full evasion systems. Asymmetric flight patterns. Super long range. Super skimmers. Torpissiles....
It's going to be a heck of a show in the water, that is for sure.
ori
Isn't Mach 6 cruise something that only got tested last year (and then only with partial success) ?
I think the 64 trillion dollar question right now is whether Phalanx ship defense system can defeat a Mach 2.5 Oniks missile. And I -- would not want to bet on it.
The Phalanx is a joke....It's loud and shakes the deck like hell, but it sure as shit isn't taking out any missles. Unless the tracking devices have improved dramitically since my Gulf tour, I'd consider them all but worthless.....
Thanks!
I assume that on aircraft carriers these systems are up at the flight deck level, although I can't see them in any pictures. If they are, say 150 feet above sea level, then when a mach 2.5 missile comes over the horizon, the Phalanx would have 28 seconds to impact. From the time the weapon enters Phalanx effective range, it has about 4 seconds to impact.
Dang.
I think the flattops -- need lasers. Or something.
Y'all missed the point. When the target is a carrier, there'll be scores of missiles incoming. Defense saturated. Some will hit deck and superstructure. Ditto w torpedoes/suicide boats. Some will hit hull. First US carrier thru the straits is going down. That, in fact, is the script. No false flag necessary.
Ori, up on high. First P2V Neptunes and then P3 Orions. Both land based... too big to operate off carriers... Thus, the need for many fields to operate from in the Med/Mid East. We shared fields with Greeks, Azores, Canadian Maritimes, Italians, Malta, Puerto Rico, Crete, Spain, various N African countries, England, Ireland, France (quietly), Cyprus, Turkey... You name it, we were there.
Lots of stuff went down that didn't make the news...and I can't say much about it.
Interesting SW. I'm having flashbacks of my days in white. Quite the experience, on so many levels.
ori
Whose subs were you looking for? Once upon a time you could locate the ones from the USSR with a TLD (even without sonar).
I think you just dated yourself.
Remember the Chinese Sub that caem up in LA harbour? And near a US ship in exercise too? Very recently?
ori
Perhaps there is some use in letting the Chinese think we didn't see them ... when in fact we did?
Wheels within wheels within ...
"Whose subs were you looking for?"
................................
Mostly CCCP, sometimes others. I cannot discuss methods, equipment. Like I said, nuke subs are extremely fast. Running a solution for a nuke boat is unfair to any above surface opponent.
I'm sure technology is much better now... but our equipment wasn't shabby. A nuke can run at better than half the speed of an aircraft attempting to resolve location. Think about that.
"Whose subs were you looking for?"
These aren't the subs you were looking for. <waves hand>
I had the same experience Snidley. Though I began as a submarine sonar technician later getting booted up to surface ships for medical reasons. Still, it was amazing to experience it from both sides.
You are correct, when a well run boat does not want to be found, it is rarely found! In expercises, it was common to hide from the surface ASW awhile and then expose ourselves so they had a target to practice on. Most times we decided if we wanted to be detected.
Jack Burton... Exactly my experience.
Once a year we would go to Rosy Roads Pureto Rico for two weeks to work with nukes in deep water.
They toyed with us. lol
So, anybody know if we ever did anything to replace the VP Navy and SOSUS?
Signs point to yes.
This is punishment for the Mossad being caught red handed recently impersonating the CIA in Baluchistan province to provoke sectarian violence in Iran through the recruitment, arming, and promotion of the Jundullah.
IIRG should have acquired some Chinese-made low cost solution of Dong Feng 21D to play with this luxurious carriers :D having the fat cat tamer will surely bite their very nerves!
Good logic, john39... It seems this engagement (war) has already started.
i agree. as reported here (and only here i might add) "the hyperinflation has begun in Iran."
Covert operations are the tip of the spear, financial warfare (as you mentioned D.V.), cyber warfare (stuxnet), espionage/assassination (Iranian nuclear scientist/magnetic bomb). The precursors/evidence are there to lead straight to an out right shooting war.
I would lose money hand over fist on my Gold and Oil rather than see a conflict. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NPC47qMJVg&feature=related
Fubar?
Clusterfuck?
Can I get a hint?
Obama is so far the best answer, I was going for _______ however.
Broke,as in BROKE BITCHES!!
iFree?
ori
Nuk 'em
Bad for me; I just went short poetry and long glass cleaner.
Great strategy. We just rope-a-dope them endlessly and keep them spending readiness money endlessly till they run out. Oh, wait...already happening. Meanwhile, you probably can't move a potatoe chip in Iran right now without us picking it up on the satellite photo diffs. Anything they do to "get more ready" reveals itself to us...
Isn't that what they're doing to you?
pfft this is very embarrassing, imagine being a fly on the wall in the kremlin, in hu's office, who is the current nato supreme komander? gcc must be shitting pants. unreal. it was just 10k or so troops? this is bullshit, theyre negotiating behind the scenes, but why publicly shame yourself?
tin foil hat on: is iran that close? wtf is going on this makes no sense, this blows game theory out of the water, no way it couldve predicted this.
iran already has a warhead. they have duplicated it many times. what they don't have, is fissionable material, to arm them, but they're workin on it. you don't need to develop a weapon, when you can reverse engineer someone else's.
Barack of Arabia
The unthinking blood hungry sheep won't like this. But it's probably all a ruse to make it appear that the U.S. and Israel were backing down when whatever false flag attack occurs. The Republican candidates (except Paul) will make this a huge campaign issue, which will drive home the message for all who will listen that the U.S. was standing down. Then "Iran" will blow something up, which in context will seem unprovoked. The sheep will probably get their war and Obama will play the reluctant leader who had no choice but to commit troops and many, many, many drones.
You can hardly take "budgetary concerns" as a serious excuse, they are probably going to skip the pleasantries and start a proper war instead, I am guessing the bombs will start flying real soon, a big and long exercise would only deplete the ammunition and make it impossible to start a real war until all the assets get redeployed back into theater of war afterwards, and the 'exercise' was only an excuse to deploy even more troops into the ME and around Israel, soon things will get real
Good point LETR. Iran did promise retaliation after the last scientist got whacked so izzy will wait for that to happen and spin it as an unprovoked sneak attack.
Budget reasons? The US has a budget now? When did that happen?
You are right it doesn't. Never really did as of the last few years. This is precisely why this is a bit worrying. The West is weakening, and it is beginning to show. If you ever wondered if there will be an unwind of the system, take this piece of news as a guide. It is happening, it is accelerating and it is already hindering other sectors apart from the financial one. It be will worse than any article ZH could ever describe, because it is not only a financial site.
General Patton:
You know how I'm sure they're finished out there?
The carts.
They're using carts to move their wounded and the supplies.
The carts came to me in my dream.
Such a wise and perceptive statement!
It really does make the US appear in quite a wimpy light. TPTB deserves to be put in their place
Since Timmy visited China and realized that infinite credit only exists in the brain of Shalom.
It'd be nice if they could formalise this new reality by, oh I don't know, maybe passing a budget bill or something? Old fashioned concept I know, but it just might work. :-)
China told Timmy to fuck off and fuck your sanctions. "Budget" meaning if the U.S keeps pushing Iran, China will pull the rug from under the $.
Correct. Chinese government and transnational corporations will jostle for influence over US 'government' policy concerning all things economic from now on. The battle for influence rages...
how to pull the $$$rug if they can install a new regulation to ban the selling of the moty-bills...?? something as boosted for experimentation by FT
Systematic budgeting in a debt-based fiat currency system consists of:
- Estimate how many days there are left till the debt ceiling/bailout package is exhausted
- Steal the last pennies from the treasury to instill a sense of fear, urgency and hysteria
- Invite key establishment figures for a cheerful bipartisan dinner buffet to foster a friendly climate of cooperation
- Determine which companies, constituents and individals most urgently need to be bribed
- Identify a communication strategy to keep the confidence game going
- Propose an outrageously large increase in the debt as a matter of being "fiscally conservative"
- Invite pre-screened propaganda department representatives to take photos and hail the outcome as a success
You forgot to mention (at least on the state level) proposing, or even implementing, draconian budget and service cuts to those programs and agencies which are most critical to the public, or at least most publicly visible, to instill a false sense of urgency to the situation, and to rationalize the "necessity" of bringing in ever-more tax revenue to maintain "necessary services".
libya operation finished as quickly as possible,
troops left iraq,
usa-uk coalition cannot hit syria as it did iraq on its own.
losing ground in pakistan and several ex-soviet countries.
space shuttle grounded for good.
us troops vote against the us establishment, probably hate wall street.
money is tight.
i see serious cuts. i don't understand how you don't see any.
printed money *still* does not directly end up in the pockets of the army. (hence *still* no hyperinflation).
No one in this Administration can even spell 'budget' let alone craft one.
Some one explain to who? that US is broke, and can't afford WWIII?
*Blink*
Like the avatar...funny shows
So are budget reasons the real story here? Or do the bankers really have all the $ now? If we aren't doing exercises because we're broke we're fkd. Don't get me wrong I don't support them but this sounds ridiculous.
I recently heard the vets coming back are going to be trained to be vegetable farmers because there's no jobs. Surely someone in tip top physical condition could find a job in a country with only 8.5% unemployment.
The real budget considerations are how short is Goldman in oil futures now and how much will the DOW be up on Tuesday when South Carolina has it's primary? It would be interesting to see how many DOW points it take to drop Ron Paul's return results but to do that it would be best to compare UP election results with DOWN days. Sadly with all election days occuring after overnight futures ramp-ups we will never know.
My MilSci classes taught that the role of the military is to pursue political goals by the use or threat of force. The question is what are the political goals.
Cue defense contractor spokesperson urging Obama to "save jobs"
pass the fedora around.