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Arab Fall Becomes Anti-US Blowback As "Turmoil" Spreads To Morocco, Sudan And Tunisia
If 2011's Arab Spring was all about the propaganda "hope" of democracy (driven paradoxically by soaring global good prices as we predicted in early 2011 before the first Tunisian domino toppled), then 2012 Arab Fall, is all about the blowback to US policies and intervention in the region. And while we are amused by the media's narrative that an entire continent can suddenly come to arms against Pax Americana over a YouTube clip, we are confident that what some hate-mongering preacher has to say about Mohammed is about as relevant to what is happening in the Middle East today, as how the global economy performs impact the S&P. Absolutely none. What we do know is that the anti-American revulsion, which started on September 11 in Egypt and has since taken Libya and Yemen by storm, is spreading like wildfire. The NYT writes: 'Protests were also reported at American missions in Morocco, Sudan and Tunisia, where the police also fired tear gas to disperse crowds." It is only going to get far worse, as suddenly geopolitics, and the US response thereto, becomes the biggest issue in the presidential debate.
The NYT recaps what the response has been so far, to overnight hostilities in Yemen, which as we already reported, is the latest US embassy to be under attack:
There were no immediate reports of American casualties, nor was there any report that the protesters had managed to breach the main diplomatic buildings within the compound. Yemeni officials said that a number of protesters were wounded and some were arrested, but did not provide figures. Hours after the attack started, smoke was still seen rising from the area.
By early afternoon, one witness, Yahya Yousef, who lives opposite the embassy, said: “Now almost everyone is out, and firing has ceased. We saw protesters getting out with some stuff from inside.”
The protests came hours after a Muslim cleric, Abdul Majid al- Zandani, urged followers to emulate the protests in Libya and Egypt, Sana residents said. Mr. Zandani, a onetime mentor to Osama bin Laden, was named a “specially designated global terrorist” by the United States Treasury Department in 2004.
The crowd gathered a day after the embassy warned Americans in a posting on its Web site that “in the wake of recent events in Libya and Egypt, there is the possibility of protests in Yemen, and specifically in the vicinity of the U.S. Embassy, in the coming days.”
“The U.S. Embassy continues to recommend that U.S. citizens avoid large gatherings. Even demonstrations or events intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence. U.S. citizens in Yemen are urged to monitor local news reports and to plan their activities accordingly,” the Web posting said.
President Abdu Rabbu Mansour Hadi of Yemen said in a statement that he “extends his sincere apologies to President Obama and to the people of the United States of America” for the attack. Mr. Hadi took office in February after his strongman predecessor, Ali Abdullah Saleh, stepped down last November following months of violent protests.
In his statement, Mr. Hadi said he had ordered an “expeditious and thorough investigation” and promised that “the perpetrators of these acts will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.” The statement also alluded to “divisions among Yemen’s security and military forces” between supporters of the new government and of Mr. Saleh which had exacerbated tensions.
Mohammed Albasha, a spokesman for Yemen’s embassy in Washington, said the government strongly condemned the attack, adding that there were no reported casualties.
“Given recent regional events, earlier this morning angry protesters have unfortunately flooded the security perimeter of the U.S. Embassy,” he said in a statement. “The government of Yemen will honor international obligations to ensure the safety of diplomats and will step up security presence around all foreign missions.”
One thing is certain: more and more Marines will be stationed, and increasingly bigger warships will anchor just off various Middle Eastern countries , until anti-American sentiment improves.
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Not to mention you have saved yourself an "ass wuppin".
14. Larry, IsraelMultiple reports, originating in Libya and including Pam Geller’s AtlasShrugs, say that Ambassador Stevens was raped and tortured repeatedly before his execution. Completely consistent with previous Jihad assaults as in Mumbai, Israel during the War of Independence, Lebanon, Breslan and so on.
Reason for the spread is that the US has an empty chair and an empty suit in the oval office.
...the 8 years of creating unrest in the middle East havenothing to do with it - right? Is this because that was caused by 'your guy'?
What a waif - I'd suggest you take your partizan nonsense to the bathroom where it belongs.
It's maddening. Any intelligent conversation flies out the window. The political finger pointing is so clearly a distraction. US foreign policy is unchanged over the past 60 years, no matter which party sits in the white house. Idiots who think otherwise. Idiots.
I hear you. All I hear everywhere is ...it's Bush's fault or it's Obama's fault then when I say what has Obama done any different than Bush or Bush different than Obama?....they act like I'm nuts.
Yup. Welcome to groupthink or a bifurcated party system for a bifurcated economic system.
Hunter-gatherers vs pharonic (sedentary) people. Their views of the world are based on their methods of survival, therefore, they defend their worldview.
It's been going on for 10,000 or so years.
The beat goes on. The dems will blame the reps and vice versa further dividing the sheeple. Meanwhile the true source of mankind's financial misery will continue to hit CNTL-P.
8 years??? WHAT!?!? Dude, try 70 years, more like 100 years if you include the Anglo- portion of the Anglo-American imperialist axis. If you can't connect the dots from European colonialism in the Middle East circa WWI to Anglo-American imperialism in the Middle East today, you really have not been paying attention.
It's why the political distraction makes me so angry. People are so easily corralled by the R vs D bullshit. I'm becoming less and less tolerant and more caustic over time.
Come on Krid, you know amerikans are big on false dichotomies, and just love being on a team.
Try surf fishing. Or if up north, drop a line in for a muskie. That will recharge your batteries.
As it is, I pretty much avoid anyone speaking about politics (horse race), even the idiot lady who came to my house with the clipboard with the 'I voted" sticker on the back of it.
Just prepare for what you know is coming, and don't get dragged down into the mud.
pods
I guess it bothers me here most of all. I expect a bit more from the rank and file at ZH. I understand why many of the good ones eventually leave.
Things will calm down after the selection in November.
Lotta mouthbreathers will be taking off after the horse race is over.
pods
I've been making jam in the evenings; it's relaxing and very satisfying to make something delicious with fruit you've grown. If I watch the news, I end up so pissed that I can hardly speak.
Surf fishing sounds good. I've got a new Loomis 8-1/2 foot single piece surf rod that is beggin' for a beach trip.
That sounds nice! I almost bought a loomis fly rod. Good thing I held off, as the trout dont like the south as much as I do.
Something about the ocean cleanses the soul.
pods
You are right. Mohammed himself was a man of peace. Wait....what?
Assclown.
Muzzies kill each other when they don't have others to slake their murderous thirst. It is a death cult. Satan worshipping death cult.
Wrong.
The Europeans and Americans were the most murderous in the 20th century.
And they're in the lead for the 21st century.
There is a lot of nonsense on this thread, but this is really too much. Mao and Stalin killed WAY more than the USA and Europe, even in the heights of WWII.
I prefer to point out the stupidity on this thread.
Russia IS part of Europe.
More like almost 60 years of stirring up shit in the Middle East.
Yup, that's THE reason. Focking idiot.
You are upset? What. Did I insult your little muslim empty chair?
Not my empty chair, retard. And when I call you a retard, I don't use the word as a childish insult, but use the word as intended. Making blowback about one party vs the other retards the conversation. YOU retard the conversation. You are a retard (and an idiot). You are doing exactly what the oligarchs want you to do. They don't care which flavor you choose, red or blue... They own your mind either way.
Good reasons for US to activate its fleet, when they would seriously need it.
Fiat tsunami and countries possible going off Petrodollar to save their savings and earnings and domestic economies.
The dumb Americans are falling into their own trap, of their own doing.
The organized followers of Emmanuel Alqaedastein are responsible for this.
Ssssshhhhh don't tell 'em about this BBC production then.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00vh04w/Citizen_Khan_Episode_1/
Need to be a UK comrade to see it.
Give 'em yanks their dose of anti-islam hatred so that israhell can toy with iran or/and syria unbothered...
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well guys i m from lebanon , and u guys have no idea what u have done supporting the ARAB SPRING , it is not democracy revolution it is a SHARIAA revolution, where no one have the right to exist only ISLAM and only there kind of ISLAM the WAHABIST the same cult that rule in Saudi Arabia. Enjoy ur ALLIES old and new.
How are things in Lebanon with everything Happening in Syria? is there spillover? How's Hizbulla as a government?
well the US Dummies in lebanon are trying to import the revolution to Lebanon and support the rebbels by smuggling arms and money , hizbollah and lebanese army are trying to stop them , stop those beheaders .
and u guys have no idea what u have done supporting the ARAB SPRING , it is not democracy revolution it is a SHARIAA revolution,
Ermm... actually... we did know what we were doing and we had all the idea all along...
Seems like you guys have no idea.. what is going on and is going to happen... ROFLMAO !!!
By "U guys" ment everybody who follows the democracy propaganda.
I absolutely agree with you. The best case scenario at this point would be to close all the ME embassies, bring everyone, and I mean everyone including troops home, cease and desist the billions of dollars we pour into the ME, and let them have at it. Almost everything can be boiled down to Shiite versus Sunnis [not even going to get into the Hashemites] and the endless proxy wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
But... but... what about "our" oil?
Gee, I guess we will have to support NA oil production including in the US, Mexico, and Canada. Maybe we could even build more refineries even though they take years before they're profitable. You know, prepare for the future.
Ummm PEAK OIL .. ermm... I mean BINGO!
Maybe start using some historically cheap natural gas?
Maybe...
you all need to go get jobs. allah said so
This is surprising. It's not October yet.
Can't wait!
Hillary is on the job...its all good
Hillary is in Shanghai putting shoe laces on Nikes.
Oh good, glad to hear she is finally doing something useful.
Hillary is getting cosmetic surgery so she will look exactly like Mao.
Carpet bombing?
Carpet munching.
"And while we are amused by the media's narrative that an entire continent can suddenly come to arms against Pax Americana over a YouTube clip, we are confident that what some hate-mongering preacher has to say about Mohammed is about as relevant to what is happening in the Middle East today, as how the global economy performs impact the S&P. Absolutely none."
Nonetheless, I'm sure the Jews and their ass kissers (like Terry Jones) are patting themselves on the back for a job well done.
Terry Jones didn't make the film, the mysterious Bacile did.
Americans don't know or care enough about Islam to even make that video.
Approximately the right production level. Cultural hot points, and Arabic subtitling.
Conclusion: It was Israeli's intending to hammer Obama for failing to act on Iran.
Could well be.
If this was some grand Israeli conspiracy they might have done a bit better and make a film more than ten people could stomach. For an Israeli Mossad op this was a] extremely low budgeted and b] incredibly poorly done. The only people I know who watched it are ZHers who were curious about what the uproar is based on.
UR right, the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the piss poor film maker JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it. Run for ur lives, the JOOOOOOOOOOs and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOs are coming to an Embassy near you.
Who made the film? What did he say about who he was? What did he say about who financed it?
I do not like them in a box.
I do not like them with a fox
I do not like them in a house
I do mot like them with a mouse
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.
Watch the trailer of the movie. It's provocation of the worst kind.
Pretext, not provocation.
You have got to be kidding me. Provocation? When a Piss Mohammed stands next to the Piss Christ in one of our art museums and no one is killed then I will be impressed.
UR right, the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the piss poor film maker JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it. Run for ur lives, the JOOOOOOOOOOs and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOs are coming to an Embassy near you.
just wait till ben prints and crude is at 120.. oh is this gonna be fun. Get out the popcorn.
The really good news is fewer and fewer Americans have jobs to go to, so that will effect a pressure down on local prices. Win/win for the current administration!
<sarc>
The miners, the arabs. They are right: No more mr. Nice guy.
Bye bye globalization. Go suck the moon with your fiat.
"Hilly" better put on the knee-pads and quick!
I'm pretty sure she had them surgically attached.
What will be interesting is how these countries are going to feed their people? They are extremely reliant on the hated U.S. to live. Maybe they can eat black swan.
Let me guess... They will feed their people with bread and butter from own fileds, using theirs own gas and oil, etc.
Debt? Oh no, thank you.
Feigned outrage in useful idiots can easily be manipulated by cunning propagandists the likes of Hizbollah and others. Imagine what would happen in the inner cities if the gov't were to run out of Obama money?
Deception is the name of the game.
Kaasem Khaleel points out in his book, Wrongly Blamed (2007) that “Public terror was invented by the Israelis.
“To achieve their political goals, Zionists are dependent on terror. These terror acts are used as a distraction. Even though the Israelis are the sources, they effectively blame others…Thus people are being misled regarding the real source of these crimes.”
In celebration of the bombing of the King David Hotel by Irgun and Haganah assassin squads in July 1946 that killed 91 people, Benjamin Netanyahu in July 2006 attended the two-day anniversary celebration of this founding event of the State of Israel.
Patrick Buchanan wrote August 2, 2006: “Our Israeli friends appear to be playing us for fools.”
Yea, you are absolutely right, the JOOOOS did it. Drink your cool aid, bitch.
Zionists are not always Jews. Most of them but not all. And Zionists have a very clear agenda which includes suffering and hardship of Jewish people at the hands of others to further the Zionist plot.
UR right, the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the piss poor film maker JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it. Run for ur lives, the JOOOOOOOOOOs and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOs are coming to an Embassy near you. AND then, AND then,
YOU use JOE friggin Biden as a reference/resource. LMAOROF.
Joe Biden enlightens the world on US diplomacy and the endearing partnership between our lobbyist-purchased politicians and Israel, with these words…
"Throughout my career, Israel has not only remained close to my heart but it has been the center of my work as a United States Senator and now as Vice President of the United States… Were I a Jew, I would be a Zionist… you need not be a Jew to be a Zionist.”
I'm sorry the down arrow I gave you is not for you. I generally appreciate your posts and read them thoroughly. I gave the mention of Biden a down arrow. Its like finding a cockroach in my breakfast cereal. Other than that, rock on JR.
Thanks for your clever response. But all intellectual comments aside, the crisis in the Middle East is an Israeli (JOOOOS) instigated crisis. Because of the pro-Israel lobbyists and media in the US, America’s foreign policy in the ME follows the State of Israel’s general foreign policy pattern: push, expand and when confronted plead defense and counterattack with superior weapons.
UR right, the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the piss poor film maker JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it. Run for ur lives, the JOOOOOOOOOOs and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOs are coming to an Embassy near you.
Circle the wagons.
Canada and the U.S. have just about everything we would ever need to thrive, right where they are.
Let the rest of 'em rot.
Continentalism, bitches!
Well, I was looking for that word. Continentalism. That's a good ism. Let's start a 3rd party.
I'd like to know the full story behind this film. Film was made by a man convicted of bank fraud. Did someone pay him to setup the stage for terror attacks? Whole film doesn't even seem to exist, just the trailer. How did it end up all over middle east dubbed in Arabic on sept 11th? Something smells really fishy.
Under Islam who would even be allowed to dub this film in Arabic? See the problem? Something stinks to high heaven about this. Are extremists on both sides working together to bring war?
extremists from all 3 sides maybe more like it?
Storming Congress would be the first step in "protecting our freedoms"...
Go search why Sam LaHood was being held in Egypt. Our politicians are selling us out.
Basically you have millions of savages who have spent recorded history killing each other if they don't have an enemy to kill. Does the 'naive', 'isolationist' libertarian views of neither waging war on them, nor giving them billions of dollars, seem a bit more attractive to the sheeple now? Not if the MSM has its way.
If there are two very wrong ways of handling the middle east, we know obama has embraced one of them, and can be sure romney will embrace the other wrong way. Condi at the republican convention was touting manifest destiny, making it not just a fun thing for the power-oriented, but a moral duty, to simultaneously wage war on people and purchase their leaders with billions of dollars in foreign aid.
I did something I probably shouldn't have done for sanities sake. Anyway I turned on the tv to see the coverage and MSNBC was talking about how this will give everybody the chance to see Obummer on the world stage (they might as well have been giving him a Lewinsky) then I flipped over to Faux news and they were talking about how the media was trying to coordinate questions at Mitten's press conference. Idiots...all of them. Note to self.....never do that again.
Why in anybody's name did you turn on MSNBC or FOX? Next time just grab a hammer and nail your toes to the floor for the same effect.
LOL you're right. I knew it was a bad idea at the time but curiosity overcame me.
I get it completely. I used to do that too from time to time. Its like looking up through a window and checking to see if the same cosmic abberation is still circling the planet.
I do it, from time to time, just to understand the programming. Great word, programming. Two meanings, same process.
There is never a single word about Israeli or US terrorism in the controlled press of the US, such as the NYT; in fact, the silence on that score is deafening.
Yet, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) is reported to have committed more than a hundred acts of terrorism in the United States from 1969 to 2001, “most of them bombings of buildings and the people in them.”
It is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who wrote the book International Terrorism: Challenge and Response in 1980 and Terrorism: How the West Can Win in 1986. The way to win, it seems, is to plant false flags to make it appear as if the terrorism is from the Arabs and Muslims – “the enemies of Israel”.
The American people should heed the words of Sun Tzu, who wrote The Art of War: “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
UR right, the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the piss poor film maker JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it. Run for ur lives, the JOOOOOOOOOOs and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOs are coming to an Embassy near you.
YOUR POST WOULD BE FUNNY IF THERE WASN'T SO MUCH TRUTH TO IT-way to broad - there are so many Patriot loving, justice loving Jews out there -most of them. It's a shame they get lumped in with these Wall Street criminals, warmonger Neocons, filthy media moguls, porn smut loving liberals who are doing so much harm to America. I never blamed italians for the Italian mafia -nor do I blame Jews for their Bankster criminal oligarchs who are plundering this nation - of course they certainly have a lot of help from elitists gentiles-who seem to hide out pretty well in the background letting their Jewish friends take the spotlight
Bibi and Mitt headed out for a walk.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XdP6Lp2ceqY/SzrRANija-I/AAAAAAAAFyE/NTVYVcqINn...
Actually, the coordinated questions plans were caught on an open mike. Not a Mittens fan but I hate our presstitutes.
It's good to be... a American diplomat...
Aladeen, motherfuckers!
Democracy is messy....Democracy USA style is messier and costlier.
Indulge for a moment....Bibi and Mittens are buds. Any chance that this has been "helped" along by...nah never mind.
Dude, it's not that long ago that I learned about Operation Gladio in Italy, and the deliberate policy of the ultra-right to target/kill innocent women and children. This was to generate maximum public outrage and blame it on the communists. BBC doco here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fB6nViwJcM
There is nothing these fucks who are in power now, and those seeking power, won't do. No crime, no treason, no atrocity is beyond them.
There is no Arab Spring... there never was. There is only Arab Winter. An unrelenting, implacable winter... a region forever frozen between its history and a tomorrow that never comes.
What's a tv?
a brainwashing device.
The thing to remember in all of this mess is that it continues to be in the long term best interest of Israel to pit Muslims against Christians and works like this false flag video are the perfect foils to foment such orchestrated acts. Just when you think things are too hard to understand - remember the USS Liberty.
The newly emerging "black flag of al qaeda" seen in the Cairo videos is the same flag flown above US/NATO/Israeli "rebel" camps in eastern Syria - so the take away is now al-qaeda is our friend - except when they are killing our Ambassadors and when we need to deploy more expensive body scanners to rape Amerikans.
The second thing to remember is that Obama is just a teleprompter and when you read all these indignant stories on Fox/CNN/ABC/WSJ/Drudge about how Israel and Obama are at odds - it's pure deception. There has never been a time where Israel and it's American agents have had more influence in the white house.
The race is on - pull America into a larger Sunni-Shia regional conflict anchored by Iranian nukes and their threat to Israel, or watch 20 million unemployed Egyptians shamble across the Sinai to take down Israel by hand. Even the Muslim zealots would sacrifice every Arab capital to a zero azimuth nuke strike policy to see their ethnic humiliation end.
Tic-toc.
I truly fear you are correct, and naively hope you are not.
UR right, the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it and the piss poor film maker JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs did it. Run for ur lives, the JOOOOOOOOOOs and the friends of the JOOOOOOOOOs are coming to an Embassy near you.
I could have sworn there were only twelve "O"s in JOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I stand corrected. Perhaps I'm using the British convention.
Well, whooooos counting. I was a little toooooo busy, I had to go cash my gumit check, refill my gumit cell phone, get some steak and lobster and beer wid my lone startr card, for this weekend, the cowgirls are playing.
What I like best is we are Giving Egypt a $Billion dollars to tied them over until the next $Billion and that we are thinking about forgiving the $One $Hundred $Billion they owe us since the last time we forgave their debt. Those "responsible" Repubican Tea Party Congress People could stop that $Billion and demand payment of the rest immediately. But it is much easier to fuck with your own People.
The next thing I like is having to help pay the gas to move tons of metal through the water on the other side of the Planet so we can be the worlds cop. Looks to me like getting out of countries that don't want us is a win, win... what say you, John McCain, lol.
Debt means indebted to the IMF and to the US military-industrial complex, i.e., to US protection of Israel, spelled MUBARAK.
The new Egypt is a power player in the Middle East and the US aid to Egypt has always been a bribe to keep treaties with Israel as moderate as possible. Billions to Egypt is aid to Israel.
Aid to Israel has become an act of war.
Bullshit. Is that why the OPEC cartel uses their billions to fund terrorism, instead of their palistinian brothers and harems for all the little princes that would be still cooking on camel turd fires instead of their poooor egyptian cousins, if the WEST had not discovered oil, produced the oil, and kept the world well fed and healthy and Russia or any other nuclear power from making them glow in the dark for "their oil". All you America haters can "_______________________". (As foul as you think it is in the blank, it is.)
Oh yea, the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS did it.
This is the true, "mission accomplished". Now instead of a bogeyman, we will have a true enemy to further the war machines ultimate goals. No more false flags or trying to make Iran sound like a real threat, we will have a real threat now.
I don't care what you guys think about Israel or the Jews. It is completely irrelevant to the fact that Allah is Satan, Muslims are Satan worshippers, and they are manifestly barbarians who contribute shit to the world besides oil. Fucking backward savages with a gigantic and well-earned inferiority complex. Quit letting your Israel hate blind you to this little fact. Ambassador Stevens was a muzzie lover for all the good it did him.
Just to point out that those barbarians as you call them have actually contributed quite a fucking bit to society. You should actually read about all the things muslims have contributed to science. Modern society would not be around if not for their contributions. But go back to broad stroking the entire religion/race/geographical area with hate. Thats your choice.
UR Right. Using children for suicide bombers, genitial mutilation of little girls, honor killings of little girls, father raping, little boy raping, hating themselves and everybody else. Yea, we can build on that.
NASA obviously has not done their job well. Must be blinded by all that science and technology shit invented and discovered by the JOOOOOS!
Appreciate you.
In the last 100 years? Girlfriend, please! Muslims haven't done shit in centuries and what they supposedly did do was rip off the Persians. But keep drinking the Koolaid. Maybe the Muzzies will give you a kiss before they assrape you.
Maybe you are not aware of the following:
Unfortunately, I believe many Americans misunderstood the "Arab spring" phenomenon. The impetus was to remove some hated dictators and to move towards democracy.
That doesn't mean there was a desire to create a series of mini-USA's.
Encouraging democracy means encouraging people to think for themselves and make their own decisions. It does not mean that they will like you any better or want to emulate you. They will want their own road which may look nothing like yours.
I remember a very inciteful quote from a Black writer in the 70's: "Our struggle is not to become white men in black skins". I have always remembered that line since it points up that people have different cultural goals.
Encourgaing Arab democracy in these regions does not mean that these people want to be like Americans. To rephrase the above quote : "our struggle is not to be Americans living in Tunisia (or insert country of your choice)". Their desire is to be Tunisians living in Tunisia in their own way. That way may be politially, culturally, religiously, phiosophically, nothing like the USA. In fact, it may well be diametrically opposed in many ways.
When you encourage democracy, you have to be willing to live with the results (which may not be directly favourable for you).
"Encouraging democracy means encouraging people to think for themselves and make their own decisions."
Make your own decisions so people can legally enslave you through voting?
Gaddhafi did more for his people than Hilary, Bill, Obama or Bush ever did for theirs.
Yeah, he shared his swedish nurses with allllll his friends, much like Bill Clinton, Jack and Ted Kennedy .....
He was a benevolent dictator by ME standards. Mubarek, too. Hell, they should leave Assad alone. While we are at it, let's leave all of them alone.
"Unfortunately, I believe many Americans misunderstood the "Arab spring" phenomenon."
Bullshit. The majority of Americans misunderstand why the hell we are the world's policeman, paying money to scumbag tyrants that put most of the money in Swiss banks and SCREW their own people.Proping up bank and oil cartels with the lives of our servicemen.
It's the American political ho elite, the kennedys, bushes, kerrys, pelousys, schumers, mccains, reids, bohemers, boxers, franks and dodds and grhamns, bought and paid for by the corporations that are now raping the world while finishing the fences on their little islands where they will go when the shtf.
Most Americans want the hell out of the rest of the world, the banksters and their ho politicians; in any country, drawn and quartered and then pissed on, and for the rest of the world and those great statesmen, the world famous mathematicians, rocket builders, antibiotic discoverers, those food growers and give awayers and tsunami rescuers, you know who I'm talkin about, the MUSLIMS, to rot in their cesspools, they made.
That was the best post you've ever made.
What part of GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY doesn't the USA understand? What is one to expect? I am only surprised it took this long. The role of global policeman is wearing thin. This was to have been the centerpiece of Ron Paul's foreign policy had he been elected. But too many of the GOP faithful have drank the neo-con kool-aid. Whenever I would try to initiate dialog with a republican over the past year, I got the same response:"He will weaken us militarily". I would follow with: "Yes, that is the whole point. We can't afford this anymore. And most of all, I am fed the hell up with seeing caskets containing some dead 20 year old return home for the past 45 years FOR NOTHING!" Most simply don't get it, and never will. The majority of Americans think God made us strong so we can fulfill our duty as "guaranteeing world peace and spreading democracy". Most see Israel as our friend, and we must defend them at all cost BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT ISRAEL! I am at my wits end with most people. The younger people are much more responsive to the truth. They are going to make a difference anyway, if there is going to be one. Old farts like me had our day, and we pissed them away on believing lies. It's not the believing the lies that is to be condemned so much as is THE DENIAL ONCE YOU KNOW BETTER. And I have known better for some time now. And I can't help but hate the lies, and especially the liars. I will continue to expose them and their crooked system to everyone who will listen. I must if I want a better place for my children and grandchildren.
I wish I could give you a hundred up arrows. My wife and I were both delegates for Ron Paul at the district and county caucuses, and talking to Romney, Santorum and Gingrich supporters was painful and frustrating. All are convinced that we need more interventionism, more TSA, more hedgemony, and more war to solve the problem. I just can't fathom it.
So, based on your conversations with the elite of the Republicrats, you have determined that you can't fathom; " WHAT".
You think the majority of conservative Americans think like they do.
You are part of the problem.
And you are the delusional SOB who says we didn't lose the Vietnam War.
Blowback is the right term, as this is just the trigger for much deeper-seated resentments. Obama's tele-prompter based baffle them with bullshit tour of the ME in early 2009, has now transitioned into a US foreign-policy shipwreck. And then there's Dillary, who's now achieved the status of the lightning-rod-in-chief, and clearly has some serious foot-in-mouth issues.
The Obama administration is a discredited shambles ... at best.
Romney is way behind and certain to lose. Need a game changer. Now.
Ron Paul would have been it.
Keep drinking that cool aid? Change is coming.
Ron Paul was our Moses. He brought us out of Egypt and gave us the law, but will not be the one to take us into the promised land. It will take someone with good hair. Hip. That whole cult of personality thing. That is what 85% of americans are into today.
The comment about these riots actually representing a reaction to US policy in the Middle East seems like it makes sense to those who know neither the Middle East nor the less sophisticated adherents of Islam. Recall the riots---and deaths---when a Danish cartoonist portrayed Mohd as a bomb-wearing terrorist, when a Dutch film maker made a movie to which a certain segment of the Moslem world took offense, or years ago when somebody (Greeks, at least starring Anthony Quinn) tried filming a movie called "Mohammed, Messenger of God". The film maker apparently was unaware that it is "harram" to portray Mohd in physical form.
Then there's Salman Rushdie, or Niall Ferguson's new wife, both of whom are living with fatwa's over their heads owing to the fact that they somehow dissed an omnipotent being or his final prophet.
None of these countries nor individuals has any sort of Middle East policy, much less an aggressive one. Nonetheless, all have been fingered as the cause of numerous and sundry riots and deaths.
the premise of the post is incorrect in the notion that higher food prices were a factor. the problem in tunisia, as it is in all of these countries is a young population without work. the post iteslf and many of the comments exhibit a genuine ignorance of the current issues in this part of the world, but americans have made a habit of figuring things out after the fact-to wit-now 67% of americans believe the Iraqi invasion was a mistake-too bad they didn't feel that way in 2002. of course coming from a country where 86% supported the war in vietnam at the start, what can one expect. just keep playing angry birds on your new iphone and pretend it wasn't built by a slave worker
Yeah, you are partly right. If America really went to war, we would own the fucking world, you dumb ass. I, we, didn't lose in Viet Nam and we/I haven't lost a war since then. It's the scumbag elitists in Hollywood, DC, NY and their ho politicians that lost these fucking wars where we did not prosecute the enemy unto death do us part.
We didn't lose Vietnam? Then what was this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw
AlertsUSA and Threat Journal are all over the flare up in the Middle East.
Far more here than the MSM is reporting.
http://alertsusa.com
http://threatjournal.com
I am an American. I love my country. I have been working in Libya for many years. I can tell you first hand that 99.99% of Libyans love America. Any Libyan would take a bullet for an American at any time. The killing of the ambassador was perpertrated by enemies of America, enemies of Libya and enemies of Islam. Rest assured, the Libyans already know who did this. These cowards will be brought to justice very soon.
I'm glad that you are an American with a job Turdy. However, libians are very good @ taking bullets from each other and how many libians took a bullet for the 300 AMERICANS on Pan Am Flight 103? Good luck, for your family's sake, I hope you make it out alive.
Why does everyone but America know that Mossad/Israel is behind all this shit?
Oh, wait....
News footage showing a couple hundred rioters here and there in different coutries does not movement make. It should not alter the resolve of the U.S. to support the changes that began in the Spring of 2011. The worry is that the sentiment grows through any numver of potential drivers. However, to cut and run when you get popped in the mouth is not the correct aciton. Realpolitic needs to be in play here. The ships come in, we shore up the Embasies and we work the governments. If experts have any import here then we must entertain the idea that this is not the majority of the Arab street. Frankly, and from experience living in the region, most of the street does not get engaged in these movements.
Agree with mahmoons, now is not the time to run. We have many friends in the ME, we just need to learn how to effectively identify and eleminate the bad guys. More good guys than bad guys over there.
One could wonder if the tear gas cans were manufactured in the US. The US makes excellent tear gas and sells a lot around the world.
If this lengthens, it will be good for US GDP.
Damn that Ron Paul for always being right about everything.
They're right. South Africa too. This entire game is a bunch of absolute bullshit.
The golden calf's tit has been sucked dry by the lecherous vampire scumbags
who have exploited and extorted every human being on this planet. And all you
Yuppie ass Jersey Shore, House Wives of Atlanta faggots in the United States
take heed because its coming your way. All you motherfuckers who still
desire and encourgae your guaranteed paper veil lifestyle go to fucking hell
and burn in eternity.
I hear Russian winters are a bitch.
The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Hillary wanting to be loved by the Muslim brotherhood is the pathetic rival to Madeline Allbright's moment with the North Koreans after gifting them fuel rods ! Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad Dancing With State Department Personalities Talent Tour
ISLAM .... The Mosque of Mohammed of the Later Day Assholes
Al Jazeera showed a video of all the backers of the romney campaign piling into the office to get their demands in if romney wins.
And you think you have democracy in america? You are crazy. America is more corrupt than Nigeria. That's why america cannot afford another war. there is no money left. Fuck you.
Go read the Quiran .... then give us a book report !