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From Arab Spring To Greek Autumn To European Winter

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Yesterday in Tunis:


Today in Greece - A man pours a flammable liquid on his body to set himself on fire outside a Piraeus bank branch in Thessaloniki in northern Greece September 16, 2011. The 55-year old man had entered the bank and asked for a renegotiation of his overdue loan payments on his home and business, according to police, which he could not pay, but was refused by the bank (Reuters).


Tomorrow in Europe:







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Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:59 | 1678589 optimator
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Talk about making an ash out of yourself!

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:01 | 1678596 fuu
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Gotta respect the human torch.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:04 | 1678610 Comay Mierda
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did he lose a bet?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:56 | 1678896 max2205
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His last words were 'FUCK IT!'

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:32 | 1679062 SGS
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Why wouldnt you burn the ECB down before lighting yourself on fire...?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:59 | 1679101 Ahmeexnal
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The Epsilons are rioting. Must double check those bokanovskified eggs.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:12 | 1680184 snowball777
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Spoken like a Delta.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 17:15 | 1680538 janus
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nice en, snowball.


a huxley


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:24 | 1679189 macholatte
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Why wouldnt you burn the ECB down before lighting yourself on fire...?


One is the act of a defeated man, the other is an act of a courageous man.

TPTB prefer the former.


Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul.
Douglas MacArthur

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
- Attributed to General George Patton Jr

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Mao Tse-Tung

 Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.
Heinrich Himmler

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 23:04 | 1679234 Xibalba
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yup.   burn 'em.



‎"It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness." - Eleanor Roosevelt

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 09:07 | 1679575 chumbawamba
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It helps if you have a match.  And a candle for that matter.  And you can find them, in the darkness, which you're cursing.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 10:29 | 1679648 FEDbuster
Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:53 | 1679908 Debt-Penitent
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What beautiful artwork!

Where can I buy it?

With Silver of course.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:13 | 1680187 snowball777
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Sat, 09/17/2011 - 17:41 | 1680596 janus
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the artist live in LA.  he wants far too much for it right now.

there's a sort of 'novelty' premium attached to it.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 17:36 | 1680589 janus
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pretty damn good, if i do say so.  i think socrates said something similar to meno; or maybe i have my symposiums mixed up -- it happens.

neverthelss, i like yer style.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 02:12 | 1683749 X.inf.capt
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i think im going to get mileage from that quote.


Sat, 09/17/2011 - 05:58 | 1679466 V10
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Aside: a lot of gun control quotes attributed to Nazis are bogus (or at the very least poorly documented). Not sure about the Himmler one, but it sounds too perfect to be genuine.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 06:02 | 1679468 Moe Howard
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You are correct. They like to make up quotes that say what they want the Nazis to say.

Here is one from Unknown:

Start a fire, keep a man warm for an hour. Start a man on fire, keep him warm for life.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 08:08 | 1679536 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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I agree. I'm sick of all this Nazi bashing.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 10:16 | 1679634 Moe Howard
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When there is a government that does horrible things, comprised of people who are behind these things, it is very good to expose it as often as possible.

However, when TPTB make up quotes, make up atrocities, make up or distort history, they cast doubt on the things that did actually happen, the things that were actually written, said, done. When we repeat these false things, we aid and abet the distortion of history.

Nazi has become the boogieman. Hitler has become a cartoon.

Hitler was a bad man. Stalin was a bad man. Mao was a bad man. FDR was a bad man.

Hitler invaded other countries, he put people he deemed 'lesser' in slave labor camps, including German homosexuals, handicapped, mental retards and defectives, Jews, political opponents, etc. In Poland he filled the slave labor camps with Polish Roman Catholics, Gypsies, Jews. Once worked out, or deemed unable to work, they were killed. Or they died from malnutrition, working to death, various plagues and illnesses.

Let us try to stick to the truth about them [Stalin, Hitler, Mao, FDR], and we will do a service for humanity.  Lies are lies, no matter who you are making them up about.

Example: we have heard over and over and over about the Jews dying in the death camps, movie after movie after movie and books and magazines and on and on.

Where is the movie about the millions of Polish Roman Catholics who died in those slave labor camps? Did they deserve to die? Why does Hollywood lie by omission? Polish Christians are not worth as much as Jews?

Only one documentary I can find about how Stalin starved the Ukrainians to death. Made in a liberated East Bloc country. I guess the Jews that run Hollywood only find Nazis killing Jews worth making a movie about, millions of dead Christians in the Ukraine is of no interest to them.

When they finally did make a movie about the resistance in the Ukraine, it was about the Jews. Not the rebel Army that fought Stalin under the Black Flag until into the 1950's. Nope. No Jews involved.

Making up false quotes about Nazis isn't Nazi bashing, it is called lying. You pro-lying, A.W.E.S.O.M.-) 4000?

Why don't we claim the Nazis put he Americans of Japanese decent into Concentration Camps? They deserve it, right? If I said they were behind FDR doing that, and you said it was incorrect, would that make you a defender of Nazis?

You are a brainwashed drone I think.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 11:42 | 1679711 swmnguy
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You make a very good point, but you may have missed an implied /sarc tag.  Recall the classic exchange between "Jiminy Glick" (Martin Short) and Mel Brooks:

JG: What's your… what's your big beef with the Nazis?
MB: What's my big beef?!
JG: Yes, it seems like you're always knockin'…
MB: What's my big beef with the Nazis?!
JG: Everything you do, you're always knockin' the Nazis. "Oh, let's… it's time for Mel Brooks to knock the Nazis", it seems.
MB: Oh, I don't know, I think they're rude.

You may not be in the mood for that sort of thing, but I think that's what was intended.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:27 | 1679812 shortus cynicus
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Than you for this great post.

Hollywood can't make a movie about soviets killing people because most of people controlling soviet union were Jews.

The history of WWII makes more sense if put in proper context of Zionism.

Jews in Europe were an intellectual elite of Jewish world, and they were against Zionism because it is against their religion to fight actively to reestablish holly land.

Jews in USA were the financial elite and have seen great interest in active fight and of course in borrowing fiat money to both sides.

WWII solved this great conflict.


Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:14 | 1680193 snowball777
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Inhale some Zyklon-B.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 17:29 | 1680570 janus
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all sentiments i share, Mr. Howard.

i'll only add that you forgot about nazi persecution of seventh day adventist, gypises, 'slavs', etc. ad infinitum.

the great crime of fascism (corporatism) is its lust for uniformity.  this is the devil of our modern age:  the compulsion to compel conformity, wherever deviation from the 'norm' occurs.

it is my mission to 'liquidate' normalizers -- a genocide of the 'gentrifiers'; hopefully, i won't have to actually follow through.  for now, we shall only warn them.

 there is a black flag risin from the capstone of the new ediface. 

so, yes, common man, an auto-de-fe everday may not keep tptb at bay; but it will signal something clear and resonate to satan: TAKE US FUCKING SERIOUSLY BEFORE WE START DRAGGIN YOU FROM YOUR HOMES AND LIGHTING YOU ON FIRE!!!

everyday my bloodlust grows.

every single day.

give up now, tptb.

i hear you gordon brown; i hear you jimmy carville.

i say MORE!

i say ALL!

i say NOW!


Sat, 09/17/2011 - 17:49 | 1680610 janus
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all from the loving hand of one, Napoleon Bonaparte

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:11 | 1678628 Freebird
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Yup, Buddhist monks have been practising a while now

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:16 | 1678644 Thomas
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No way do I burn myself to death. I am WAY too wimpy for THAT one.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:20 | 1678665 X.inf.capt
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no kidding, thomas...


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:50 | 1678770 el-greco
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Austerity by the public is what is going on, while Manuel "please-dont-do-anything-to-change-my-life-style" Baroso and his crony friends continue to blow huge amounts of cash on meetings, five star travel, and pointless regulations.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:21 | 1678817 X.inf.capt
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but to burn yourself. NO WAY,  greco, NO WAY.


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:34 | 1678855 Cliff Claven Cheers
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This sums it up pretty well.

Greece under Dictatorship


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:09 | 1679035 MiguelitoRaton
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It's better to burnout than the fade away....

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:38 | 1678975 Abitdodgie
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Why do Americans care we have killed 50,000 people in Libya, whats one more, fuck him, hope he gets a ticket for having a fire in a public place. Still paying taxes then you are complicit

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:59 | 1679099 Arkadaba
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Canada is complicit as well - Oh ya Nato!

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:34 | 1679201 toady
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Ticket him for burning trash without a permit.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 08:10 | 1679540 OOONONO
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actually, that was pretty funny - in an insensitive way.  Still, funny!

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:00 | 1678778 jdelano
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Ur way too hot too. Would be a shame. Maybe if you just burned your dick off?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:20 | 1678938 jdelano
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Seriously? Huh. Note to self--never make a dick joke in a tranny thread...

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:04 | 1678791 Id fight Gandhi
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What a painful way to go

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:21 | 1678943 Infinite QE
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Best to start randomly grabbing bankers and dousing them!

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:31 | 1678960 Spirit Of Truth
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Might not be far off.

Let's not forget the "Days Of Rage" are supposed to start on Wall Street 2morrow.  Although I think the police state will show up quite quickly in NYC should banksters feel threatened.  Banksters own that town.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:04 | 1679026 Arkadaba
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Oh yes and Mr. Mayor has been proactive -why exactly did this come out today - not being cynical but hell I should have thought of it!

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:15 | 1679042 knukles
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NY Mayor Creates Self Fulfilling Prophecy.
read all about it......

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 09:08 | 1679576 Ranger4564
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Maybe the Mayor is warning the city that there will be riots in the upcoming months.

Maybe he's signaling that the city will be more tolerant if people choose to rally to express discontent.

Maybe he's signaling that it's understandable people will want to protest because they're upset.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:16 | 1680198 snowball777
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Time to show the footsoldiers there's something more frightening than unemployment or a lost pension.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:37 | 1679203 toady
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Sounds like a 'hot' trend to start on wall street.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 09:35 | 1679593 I did it by Occident
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go LONG on kerosene? 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:32 | 1679063 cbxer55
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People jumped out of the World Trade Centers to avoid burning to death.

I'm with you on that, not the way I want to go!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 10:34 | 1679652 FEDbuster
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I don't care wherther the banksters burn or jump, as Nike says "Just Do It"

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:30 | 1679196 fockewulf190
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No shit, that has to be the worst way to go.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 00:53 | 1679369 Antipodeus
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Followed closely by being eaten alive.


Sat, 09/17/2011 - 08:10 | 1679541 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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My Father burnt himself to death in act of political protest.


OK, he got drunk and fell asleep with a lit cigarette. But it's close.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:27 | 1678697 Freebird
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Tx Fuu for the memory. saw the guys white car either in Saigon or Hanoi a few years ago....

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:19 | 1678659 Manthong
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Nobody can understand all the dynamics that brought him to this, but you can empathize and understand a lot of how the emotions were formed.

It’s happened here, too.


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:22 | 1678670 cossack55
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Seems they all have the same need: Justice. Good look with that one.  Go long matches.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:25 | 1678685 john39
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people are running out of options, and don't know what to do...   i would suggest that the can of gasoline could have a far better use on certain "institutions" and "people" that are really behind disaster taking place around the world.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:33 | 1678724 Libertarian777
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more and more people will keep doing this, suicide by some dramatic fashion (setting themselves on fire).

As more and more people realise that doing this won't bring on a 'European Spring', they will turn to taking other people along with them.

This will be termed 'terrorism', and the governments will take away what little liberties everyone has left to combat this terrorism.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:58 | 1678776 Spastica Rex
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Amen. Rage turned inwards. Fucking horrifying. The whole fucking thing.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:24 | 1679052 Arkadaba
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But I just don't get it. I have faced a number of crises since I was a young child. and am still alive. Life is so much better than death regardless of your personal situation. Maybe these people have a pre-conditioned idea as to what life should be like. Cog diss? You can always find something to make you smile whether an email from a child or someone holding the door open for you. I find this type of  thing - don't understand. 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:31 | 1679060 Spastica Rex
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I don't understand either and I find this kind of behavior very frightening. I find it tragic for him, his family, and his community. These kinds of actions challenge my beliefs about what being human is - or means. I don't want to believe that life is that worthless - his life, my life, anybody's life. 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 21:51 | 1679153 Arkadaba
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I still prefer to believe sometimes against all odds.


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:16 | 1679180 Spastica Rex
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Thnx for that.


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:26 | 1678691 Nascent_Variable
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I can't find anywhere in the MSM that this is being covered.

I know who owns them, and that I shouldn't be surprised, but it still gets me from time to time.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:31 | 1678712 EscapeKey
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Why would it be? After all, Beyonce bought a new hat.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:33 | 1678854 Careless Whisper
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well, the gurl gotta accessorize, don't she?


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:41 | 1678742 yabyum
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Maybe he lost everything, his house, his money, his pension, and his family. What makes him different that the rest of us shmucks? This guy did something, in  USA we go crazy, and have guns out the wazoo. NOW if the guy was a banker I would say I would say balancing his karma

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:19 | 1679046 Bicycle Repairman
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I had forgotten.  Fuck me.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:19 | 1679047 Jena
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That was a horrifying read.   Thanks for posting it.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:16 | 1679181 Henry Chinaski
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Tom Ball was a desperate man. I am sorry that his sacrifice didn't get more notice. The welfare state and police state go hand in hand.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:34 | 1678967 SuperRay
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didn't someone tell him to burn the bank instead...

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:09 | 1679034 Dan Watie
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I think Billy the Kid had a better way of dealing with the banks. He knew THEY were the real criminals.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 06:08 | 1679470 Moe Howard
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Billy the Kid did not deal with banks. He was a foot soldier in a range war.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:20 | 1680207 snowball777
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You may mean Jesse James, and he wasn't exactly a moralist.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:16 | 1678645 HAL 9000
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Good afternoon, Mr Amer. Everything is going extremely well.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:41 | 1678871 mick_richfield
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Open the QE3 doors, please, Hal.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:38 | 1678736 Logans_Run
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Miami Herald snooping on ZH?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:01 | 1678783 Comay Mierda
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i hope so, that way they can report real news

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:00 | 1678782 DonutBoy
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You're sick.  Funny - but sick.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:18 | 1678822 TheLooza
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So that's how you put out a Greece fire!



[and I'm out!]

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:21 | 1678947 bankonzhongguo
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He should have poured the flammable liquid on the Branch Manager.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 10:42 | 1679662 Tater Salad
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He wanted to go out with some drama, not a 40 caliber round to the forehead. 

You gotta love conceal and carry here in the states.  Never leave home without it is my MO now.  And I'd defend any innocent passersby given the chance so should you ever feel so brave to go after someone in a public place, remember we be packin'. 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:51 | 1679003 IQ 145
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!! yeah. The textbook on the subject is "Man against himself" by Menninger, of the eponymous clinic. It;s extremely educational.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:42 | 1679211 LetThemEatRand
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I am the first to advocate humor in the face of tragedy, but looking at the pictures and imagining the pain -- both physical and emotional -- makes it difficult to laugh at this.   This is a small business owner, folks.  Many here have advocated for him in the abstract.  Here's a real human fucked by the oligarchs and/or bad circumstances.   

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:28 | 1680079 GoinFawr
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Your empathy doesn`t register with psychopaths, for them suffering is as much a spectator sport as pleasure. Alternately, laughing at tragedy could be a defense mechanism...

(Images: Zohar Lazar)

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 23:41 | 1679288 mfoste1
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why didnt he do this INSIDE the bank?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 02:01 | 1679420 Simon Endean
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Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day.

Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:00 | 1678591 emsolý
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some like it hot

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:00 | 1678592 MSimon
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This must happen frequently to have the CO2 at the ready. Haven't the Greek Police heard of global warming?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:01 | 1678598 Temporalist
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The guy has a bullhorn I think he may have said something about his plans.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:01 | 1678593 Temporalist
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I wouldn't immolate myself for those kleptocratic murderers.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:16 | 1678643 Gubbmint Cheese
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Or get a plane and pull a Joe Stack....

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:33 | 1678722 americanspirit
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Yeah, but if you're gonna do that, repeat after me: bottom floor, worker bees, top floor corner office, bingo.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:29 | 1678845's picture

I temped at Mellon in Pittsburgh about twenty years ago. We worked about 3/4 of the way up the building and our break room was on a corner with windows.

Do no harm.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 21:15 | 1679114 americanspirit
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I hear you. But what are the odds - a corner office with temps taking a break vs. a corner office full of assholes who deserve to die. And if your mission is to do harm, play the odds and hope to win. Shit happens.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 00:50 | 1679368 I Got Worms
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Right on!

BTW, I bought your book after reading a thread you posted on recently, and it arrived a few days ago. Gonna get started on a tobaccy crop this spring - excellent book, and I recommend folks check out americanspirit's site if you are interested in growing your own smoke:


Sat, 09/17/2011 - 16:41 | 1680458 americanspirit
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Thank you very much IGW. I sure appreciate your kind words and the recommendation. Have fun with your tobaccy crop - and please let me know how it turns out for you.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 00:44 | 1679364 I Got Worms
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R.I.P. Joe.  I drive by that building a couple times a week and think of him. Much respect.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:23 | 1678676 cossack55
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Too right, if somethings gotta burn, burn the bank.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:02 | 1678595 hambone
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someone who believes in something better...for every fucking nut who does this to himself, how many there must be who would do it to those causing the pain?

How long til the worm turns...

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:02 | 1678603 LawsofPhysics
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Well, lets hope so anyway.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:11 | 1678616 hambone
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Any bets on which ZH commenter goes rogue first?  (add- you can't vote for yourself, no matter how fucking crazy you may know yourself to be...)

bonus points for calling how they do it?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:31 | 1678849's picture

Vote for the troll of your choice.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 01:35 | 1679400 Arkadaba
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Where's Harry? 

And bad taste but couldn't resist:

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:24 | 1680215 snowball777
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"...what's your rush now? everyone will have his day to die."

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:26 | 1678914 Jendrzejczyk
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(semi-auto AR at Wallstreet bank with bayonet attached)

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:29 | 1680228 snowball777
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"...the foundation columns of ten buildings with blasting gelatin. In two minutes, primary charges will blow base charges,..."

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:09 | 1678618 Zero Govt
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there are easier ways to protest than setting fire to yourself: Stop Paying Your Taxes. Not only far easier but far faster and far more effective at bringing ALL the policy changes needed to clean society

Zero Tax = Zero Govt

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:03 | 1678909 jerry_theking_lawler
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ZG...this is the exact truth that the sheeple do not wanna hear. do not pay income tax (with each check) and do not pay any buisness taxes, except per the law (quarterly, yearly, etc). the .gov would come screeching to a halt......

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:07 | 1679032 jekyll island
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Pipe dream in reality.  The Gubmit could print money and tax you by inflation.  Then they would get your house and car too.  

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:16 | 1679044 mick_richfield
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That is a very important point!   Fiat currency is inherently anti-democratic.  If they can print money and tax everyone invisibly -- what the hell do they need your votes for?

If silver is money, you're a free man who needs to be convinced by argument.  If paper is money, you're a slave.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:18 | 1679185 Bringin It
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Re. Fiat currency is inherently anti-democratic.  If they can print money and tax everyone invisibly -- what the hell do they need your votes for?

If silver is money, you're a free man who needs to be convinced by argument.  If paper is money, you're a slave.


Thanks for pointing this out.  Plain to see truth if people would/could open their eyes.  This is a non-violent way out.  You don't even have to break the bankers laws.  You can arrainge your life so there are no claims on you.  Thoreau had some funny things to say about wealth.

As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler; solitude will not be solitude, poverty will not be poverty, nor weakness weakness.
Henry David Thoreau

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:15 | 1679964 Real slow and n...
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If you pay taxes you are complicit.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:35 | 1680125 GoinFawr
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You're not complicit when you are forced to comply.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 21:49 | 1683445 Bringin It
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Re. forced to comply

Here's an idea ... RESIST.  Find a way to resist.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:31 | 1678959 FeralSerf
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"Zero Tax = Zero Govt"

Not true as long as they have the power to print money and force the people to use it through legal tender laws.  If you don't send in your checks, theyll just take it anyway.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 09:24 | 1679588 Ranger4564
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Ironically, that's exactly the plan the Bankers are using.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:02 | 1678602 DoChenRollingBearing
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NO ONE has gone to jail!

NONE of our financial problems have been solved!

NO WAY out, bitchez!  Not here, not in Europe.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:10 | 1678623 Freebird
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Hey Chen, will be in Lima next week - any recommendations?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:24 | 1678681 cossack55
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Chen's from Ohio?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:33 | 1678726 Freebird
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Maybe, but the bitch spends a lot of time real south of the border - he even set up his own web site / blog don`t you know - buying gold, platinum & silver every day - gotta admire the ball rolling dude know where you can find him no.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:31 | 1678716 DoChenRollingBearing
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A great restaurant to check out near the Miraflores / San Isidro line:

Las Brujas de Cachiche

Ask anyone for directions, it is well known.

I've been twice, we took our supplier from Japan there a few months ago.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:44 | 1678734 Freebird
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Thanks DCRB, heard Miraflores is really where you need to stay.... no se. Will take you up upon the restaurant heads up...any other light kg & have spare hand carry..... ?


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:52 | 1678761 DoChenRollingBearing
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Miraflores is a very good zone to stay in, the shopping is pretty good , and it's pretty safe.  They have their "modern (clean) Mercado Indio" there as well.  

Silver jewelry for the missus.  Other silver and glass stuff.  If you like handicrafts, Peru has lots of that.  My brother's daughter is getting married later this month, we are giving her a silver laced glass pitcher and cocktail glaases set.

Antiques are all fake, but you can find nice looking stuff that you cannot get here in the USA.

If you like this kind of stuff, it is CHEAP!

Remember it is WINTER there now, 62 degrees and cloudy (sometimes a drizzle) during the day, 52 at night.

Cristal is a good beer.  If you are a wine guy, order Chilean...  Don't forget to try Peru's natiional drink: the Pisco Sour!


Send me a gmail at my name, promise to behave, and I will send you the link to my blog, I make all ZH-ers jump through the hoop because I write under my own name and my blog is NOT Fight Club.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:50 | 1678851 Freebird
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Tx . Don`t buy all that glitters though ...just gold & silver...chilly is good, restaurants excellent, luv beer & know Chilean wine real that Pisco with or without the coco leaf though?

Do, my man, How long have I been reading your posts? You before me no se, can`t be buggered to check...what you guys do over there at la Chen blog - literary love ins? Bro...please, reveal ...inquiring minds & muppets alike are curious


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:55 | 1679225 DoChenRollingBearing
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Send me a gmail at my name, promise to behave, and you can see for yourself!

At some places you can get the coca leaf w/ your Sour, I think they call it a Coca Sour.  It's gotten trendy!

There is a comment below recommending Lomo Saltado, he is quite correct, get that dish at any good restaurant, yum............

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:20 | 1679048 mick_richfield
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I keep wishing you would just write an article or something about making and selling ball bearings.  Call me old fashioned -- but the thought of a business that sells useful objects made of steel gets me kind of teary-eyed.

Have you experimented with Rearden Metal?


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:51 | 1679217 DoChenRollingBearing
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OK, mick, I will soon!  My ZH analyses did not go over well, so it's back to basics.  We have some new Japanese pieces that are arriving (or maybe have arrived) very soon.  That might be a good excuse to write a story...

Oh, yes, selling bearings is a great business, not so much for the money, but (in our case) for the money we save our customers.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:13 | 1679178 BoNeSxxx
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You forgot two things DOC,...


1) Order the Lomo Saltado, you can't go wrong.

2) Pisco Sours: One is not enough, Two is too many, and Three will have you speaking Quechua. 


Have fun.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:45 | 1680255 GoinFawr
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3)  Ayahuasca

(don't wear your good pants)

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:12 | 1678631 Zero Govt
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Yes there's a "way out" ...and I've taken it. I don't pay any taxes to fund or sponsor the continuous of Govt


Zero Tax = Zero Govt

Just Do It 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:19 | 1678658 agent default
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Spread the word! Seriously we need to spread this more than anything else. They have bankrupted them selves, and now they are trying to bail themselves out, politicians and banksters by bankrupting us. Enough with these scumbags already.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:06 | 1679031 john39
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not a tax lawyer, but from what I understand, its only a crime if you don't file a return....   keep the money and they just come after you for money.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:30 | 1679195 Bringin It
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Better yet - take a sabatical if you can.  Go on strike.  Change your lifestyle.  Forget trinkets <iPads>. 

Zero Tax = Zero Govt

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 23:35 | 1679279 Boxed Merlot
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its only a crime if you don't file a return....

Ever wonder why a "return" can be used against you in a court of law? It's becauase it was signed voluntarily. How can it be that a person living in the US can be forced to be a witness against himself? If one is forced, then the evidence is inadmissible, therefore it is a voluntary action.

If no funds are ever collected prior to the need to file, why file? Let the IRS send a bill. Why do we bill ourselves? Ridiculous system. I've never seen a preemptive IRS bill. They're always in response to a person relinquishing their 5th amendment right against self incrimination.


Sun, 09/18/2011 - 21:52 | 1683450 Bringin It
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Sometimes you don't have to file a return.  What if you don't have enough taxable income?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:56 | 1678774 Al Gorerhythm
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I don't know how to avoid taxes, bank fees etc but I do know how to be financially independent. I am devoid of all financial "assets". I don't hold any mortages, don't have any debt, don't have any bonds, don't invest in any shares, don't support any banks, don't trade any derivatives. I am idependent of all financial instruments. I am financially independent. I have a large garden, water supply, chickens, bees and supplement with fish when the weather's kind. I trade by bater or from this point on, with gold and silver for settlement of debts (both ways). Don't want to trade with me on my terms, then too bad.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:02 | 1678907 TwelfthVulture
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You made a left when you should have made a right.  This is Zerohedge, not Prison Planet.  You have zero financial assets and are not a market participant, seriously, wtf are you doing here?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:22 | 1678950 Dirt Rat
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He's enjoying the Schadenfreude.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:01 | 1679157 Al Gorerhythm
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@ 12th vulture. You've been here how long? 3 days! Fuck off.

What am I doing here?


For what? The fair value of financials. I'll be around buying banker's assets then.

Tootle pip.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:46 | 1679083 Night Owl Trader
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" Don't want to trade with me on my terms, then too bad."

That's easy to say, much harder to implement when your would-be trading partner brings his AK to the negotiations  You got your own AK?  He'll show up with a Barrett.  & on and on.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:04 | 1679158 Al Gorerhythm
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I can group 10 inches @500. Thats good enough for me. But that's just for starters. They have to contend with a lot of angry neighbours as well.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 22:40 | 1679207 Bringin It
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Like I was saying above, it can be done and here we find Al G.'s doing it.  Great stuff Al.



Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:03 | 1678606 toddf
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Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:03 | 1678607 azzhatter
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Much better to pour gasoline down Blankfein's trousers and set little lloyd on fire than to burn yourself. 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:09 | 1678619 Sequitur
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None of the major Greek dailies currently are running this story.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:27 | 1678698 cossack55
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Anyone think the Keene Sentinel will cover this story?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:10 | 1678620 fyrebird
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That's just sad.

Why didn't he shoot a banker instead?

I'm serious. He'd have been a hero.

Maybe they have gun control there.

That's just sad.

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