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From Arab Spring To Greek Autumn To European Winter
Yesterday in Tunis:
Today in Greece - A man pours a flammable liquid on his body to set himself on fire outside a Piraeus bank branch in Thessaloniki in northern Greece September 16, 2011. The 55-year old man had entered the bank and asked for a renegotiation of his overdue loan payments on his home and business, according to police, which he could not pay, but was refused by the bank (Reuters).
Tomorrow in Europe:
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Hmm
*hides CFA*
Pretty sure martial arts is legal to learn/practice/perfect. Plus, it's easier to get past security when your weapons are your hands and feet.
Very strict guns laws over there as far as I know, that's why.
That and those small time bank employees he'd be able to shoot would've been pretty much innocent anyway - it's not like he'd be able to walk up to some CEOs or high ranking politicians. Hurting or killing some poor schmuck who just happens to work for some bank doesn't do any good - they're getting just as fucked as everyone else anyway.
i prefer the bankers way, getting hookers to hang you in the park
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23987946-escort-girls-left-bank-chief-to-hang-in-mock-execution.do
He died like a banker. Lying, playing a game and paying people to do things for you.
not the direction I would have gone...
Dan Patrick voice/ En fuego! /Dan Patrick voice
Copyright Martin Armstrong All Rights Reserved September 16th, 2011
1931 De?ja? vu?
The Sovereign Debt Crisis is getting far worse – not better. Instead of looking at the problem we face, governments are in denial and think that if they can just get through this bailout, everything will just go away. The latest round of American financial assistance took place precisely on the target day of September 15th, 3.14 months from the June turning point on the Economic Confidence Model (ECM). Why these events take place right to the day I cannot explain. They just do. Nevertheless, The Fed agreed to swap unlimited dollars for euros to effectively support the faltering euro currency. In reality,
this is akin to the September 12th, 1927 Federal Reserve Board meeting in Washington where they usurped all the branches and cut the discount rate for all reserve banks to 3.5%. This 1927 intervention of Fed to lower US interest rates in hopes of deflecting the capital inflows from Europe has been widely criticized as fueling the US stock market bubble. While that point may be debatable, here again we have the Fed acting to save Europe and it did not stop the capital flight from Europe back then, and it is unlikely to win the day once again. Europe still collapsed in 1931 on the heels of the collapse of Creditanstalt in Austria on May 11th, 1931 a little more than 3 years after the 1927 intervention and just over 2 years from the September 3rd, 1929 high in the US stock market.
It does not matter how many times previous interventions have failed. Government will do the same thing every time hoping this time there will be a different result. The move will not help avert a wider crisis, for at the very best, we are only delaying the pain. The danger that is developing is we are now involving the wider global economy in trying to support a failed currency experiment. Instead of doing the right thing, no, we have to try rigging the game with no long-term exit strategy.
Once again, the Fed is flooding the financial system with cash, in hopes of bailing out Europe. Such dollar injections will do nothing to save Europe and it is fueling inflationary trends in the middle of an economic decline producing the worst of two worlds – STAGFLATION. On top of this, the Fed policymakers will meet again next week to decide whether the stagnating U.S. economy needs another round of QE2 easy-money measures. Perhaps they will buy more long-term bonds from foreign holders that will have no direct local stimulus effect.
The US gets pulled into the bailout process for it is still the biggest contributor to the IMF under Bretton Woods. The American taxpayers will pay for yet another bailout of foreign nations. Instead of revising the monetary and debt system, we are being dragged further down the rabbit hole desperately trying to maintain a system of perpetual borrowing with no intent of every paying anything off. And the people in charge see no problem? Further illustrating just how out of control things are, everyone approved at the Group of 20 industrialized nations meeting in 2009, granting the IMF broad powers to expand its lending authority to help keep Humpty Dumpty together. That will push American taxpayers over the edge for Congress will turn more aggressive in their tax collections from citizens to keep the whole mess going, but to what end? The IMF loans will go bad and now they too will have a blank check.
In July, Secretary Tim Geithner argued that the IMF claims must be paid before all other creditors. I doubt that will be the case when it comes to a choice of defaulting on the bonds or the IMF. The IMF will take the hit to save the failed system. "The United States has never experienced a loss on its IMF commitments," Geithner has argued. We were not in a Sovereign Debt Crisis like this since 1945 when the IMF was founded. This is like saying someone will never die because they are alive now.
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i love reading brother armstrong and "R". these cats are sharp.
Beastie, The exit stratedgy is called war and it is taking place right before your very eyes. Your right about one thing, it is Deja vu (all over again) right here on Zero Hedge. I have been reading this site for over a year and letters are repeating the same stuff from a year ago. Forget about world banks,inflation/deflation,cds and defaults. Here is reality for you:The U.S. with all its' allies (Uk,France,Israel,Germeny,Etc.--i.e. the West) is calling the shots in todays world regardless of any level of debt. In today's world, Bush is right. "You are either on our side or you are the enemy." We are on our way to world conquest and when all is said and done the world capitol will be Washington DC.Be happy you live in the U.S.of A where you are safe from the misery to be felt by any country that wants to resist a takeover of their resources. The smart leaders are on the team and if Russia and China get smart, they will join up ASAP. There will be no other reserve currency allowed in this world. The Military power of the West(led by the US) is overwhelming and unmatched.The rest of the world knows it and that is why we spend the money we do on defense. The world has changed but most people don't know it yet. Anyone who thinks that the US with control of the reserve currency and the mightiest army on earth is headed for third world status is a damn fool. The fact is :THE WORLD IS OURS! THERE ARE JUST A FEW WHO HAVE'NT FIGURED IT OUT YET.
Reply to rivers,
Rivers, I disagree with your premise that the military power of the West is overwhelming and unmatched.
To be clear, I believe the west is unmatched in technology and equipment, and we have unmatched resources (the ability to print) but I don’t think we have the will to win.
Best quote of colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now.
And then I realized they (VC/NVA) were stronger than we, because they could stand that these were not monsters, these were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment! Because it's judgment that defeats us
I have recently re read A Bright Shining Lie by Neil Sheenan and believe there is still so much to learn from the French and US experiences in Vietnam.
History is replete with war stories of Asian fighters and there tenaciousness, their will to win, and pay the ultimate sacrifice.
And then there is Mother Russia in the Second World War, the west is just now learning the full extent of their sacrifice and bloody determination to repel the Wehrmacht..
I am in no way stating that US servicemen and women lack courage, honor or capability"win"
We will get some idea tomorrow if the US population has what it takes to "win"
See you on Wall Street ?
what an idiot. Now who's going to have to pay for this clowns medical care?
A liberal dem would say that he's actually creating jobs by covering his body in third-degree burns.
Krugman?
Pelosi comes to mind.
"Unemployment insurance, the economists tell us, return $2 for every $1 that is put out there for unemployment insurance," Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on the House floor.
"It injects demand into the economy, it creates jobs to help reduce the deficit," Pelosi said.
Is it just me or does Pelosi look like a fish that just got it's head bonked?
Wow. That;s an actual quote, eh? Amazing. It's like reading some kind of crazy science fiction novel. It would probably help if the congress critturs had some vague idea what reality looked like.
"Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs."
"Think of an economy where people could be an artist or a photographer or a writer without worrying about keeping their day job in order to have health insurance."
You really can't make this shit up.
We are doomed.
We have come to a point in time where it is no longer a question of her competence or sanity. The record is now quite clear.
Pelosi is an economic terrorist.
The problem I have with you and your ilk is that you only seem to rail against programs that target mainstreet, the group actually feeling this depression.... `defence` spending never seems to blip your highly selective radar.
"The problem I have with you and your ilk is that you only seem to rail against programs that target mainstreet..."
We see it from two very different perspectives I suppose.
What I see your side supporting is the destruction of entire family units (as in the blacks & Indian's to a large degree) by supplanting the father, with government. But I don't view you as "evil". I view you (and those who think like you) as just overly/hyper emotional.
As to the MIC...you must have missed the many times I advocated closing our military bases in Europe. I've been quite clear on this. Many saw it, Ned Zep, tip e & others. My reasons are fiscal and a blunt US populist instrument on socialism in Europe...I have no reason to lie...that is my reason.
But still, the entire Pentagon budget is 700 billion which seems to be pocket change to Barry. Where we might have agreement between you and "my ilk"...lol...is ending the Fed and its reliance on Keynes orthodoxy.
You must understand something though...when this happens the ponzi collapses. Less fiat for military & welfare. Choices are what we as a society make together. The first choice we make together should be to tell the truth.
My game is about to start...I'll check back at halftime...maybe we can get a closer understanding of each other.
"... just overly/hyper emotional."
Well, that's your opinion; at least I know I am a human being. Do you work hard at repressing your conscience, you know: the thing that separates a human from a psychopath, or have you just allowed it to be more or less conditioned right out of you? You know that humans are, in fact, social beings, right? If you don't believe me try solitary confinement for the next few months and see how well you function at your office's Christmas Party in December. Perhaps you should get yourself checked out by a psychologist before such an endeavour, you could already be 'there'...after all, you seem to prize subclinical psychopaths in your country:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2011/09/paul-krugman-free-to-die.html
That article wasn't a dig at RP, btw. I like the guy. I think he should team up with Ralph Nader and balance your country the fuck out. At least you could be pretty certain that neither one of those two would chose financial institutions over the American people. Can you say 'Mixed Economy'? Try it, you'll find that it is the most successful in the world, even in the face of incessant attack by fundamentalists like yourself.
I'm sorry, but if you think your country will function better with 'Zero Gov't' you haven't tried to reason with even a small group of people with slightly differing values and opinions, let alone 310 million of them.
How long have you been advocating 'closing our military bases in Europe'? If it's been less than 50 years you should know full well that it's hardly been cost effective sending jolly green giants all over the planet (and not simply to Europe) to stir up hornets' nests with their privates on behalf of western/European international business interests. You could have been Norway since 1950 and had it all instead of stealing wealth from Americans to feed global corporations and the MIC for the last 65 or so years, no?
700 billion per year is only what is on the books, btw; do you honestly think that is the actual figure, all told?
'...a closer understanding"?
Yeah, we agree your country is more fucked than a whore at closing time, but we certainly do not agree as to why. Your wilful blindness prevents that.
What to do now? According to you: "Kill Kill Kill Kill Kill the poor". IE economically decimate what is left of your middle class and push them down below the poverty line, where they can compete with the tens of millions already there for an ever shrinking slice of economic pie. While keeping the MIC alive in MENA, apparently, and migrating any wealth that happens to be left into the few hands that already have almost everything anyway. Or do you really believe that once you take away the remaining shreds of dignity of the majority of your population that this will somehow inspire them to excel to magical greatness?
"Honor, glory, duty... those words mean so much to a man scrubbing garbage cans..." - Bill Murray.
And those with a job even like that will be the lucky ones. I doubt they will be able to afford health care when it's over 7k/head/year (the highest in the world, including those with absolutely no insurance at all; it goes WAAAY up if you don't count them as if they could afford it.)
Question, you believe that 9-11 was an inside job, right? Do you believe the same thing about Pearl Harbour? If so, what is the point of having any military bases anywhere but right in America? I mean, if it really is simply 'defense' and not imperialism: the last time a foreign army stepped on American soil was in 1812, right? (I heard they burned down the Whitehouse too.) Even though the cold war is supposedly over you still have enough nukes to turn the whole world into something worse than Fukushima, so it's pretty obvious nobody is going to try anything too stupid.
Anyway, "...my interest level is dropping; my interest level is dropping..."-David Byrne
So good luck!
And what country would you be from advising my country's people how to order their affairs?
We will start this conversation on trust and honesty or we will not have it at all.
You're doing it again: That's not a retort. That's a deflection. A weeeeeeaaaak one too. Is this supposed to be your iteration of 'Godwin's Law' or something? "I'm in America, your argument is invalid." lol
What does it matter? Does my location change any of the facts we're discussing? Ans. NOPE.
It is so painfully obvious that this is about your country and no other; you should be flattered anyone is taking an interest.
But yeah, let's have full ' eternal trust and honesty schmeee shcmoop poot' <chuckle>
So you just go ahead and post your mailing address, phone number and full name and then we can start, I guess. What, you're not afraid are you? It's just that, irrelevant though it is, I need to feel as if you're telling me the truth, or some other such twaddle about honesty being a function of location. (Note: if you do actually post that personal info., which is not only OT but none of my business, I'm sure to think you're pretty damn stupid to boot...)
"You're doing it again..."
We have never discussed you're country/nationality under your GoinFawr ID...maybe you have multiple ID's?
I wish to know who I'm speaking with. If you cannot give me this courtesy & continually hide in obscurity while attacking my people it doesn't do much for your self-professed seeking of truth & justice.
Don't misrepresent anymore...tell me where you're from and we can continue...otherwise I write you off as just another foreign troll and I'll be done with you.
Your choice.
"We have never discussed you're (sic) country/nationality under your GoinFawr ID...maybe you have multiple ID's?"
That's because it hasn't been relevant. Unlike your jingoism which certainly is an important part of this discussion. But then flag waving is entirely your choice, and, as we have discussed before, I am under no obligation to disclose to you anymore about myself than I wish. Just because you bare your nationality to all at ZH hardly means everyone has to follow your lead. You must have missed the part in my last comment where I pointed out how unwarranted and arbitrary such a request is by sardonically asking for an even higher degree of personal information from you. Are you all caught up now?
I do wonder why my location is so important to you though. I have serious doubts about your given reasons for wanting to know; I am sure it has much more to do with your desire to change the subject, as has been my experience dealing with loopy jingoists in the past.
You wish to know who you are speaking with: Ans. a reasonable human being (trying, at least). I can assure you that we exist on all continents, and in all nations, regardless of language, culture, or even religion (I had a bit of trouble with that last one, but I've seen undeniable proofs)
Attacking your people? My my someone seems to have a very high opinion of himself; I wonder how many of your fellow citizens feel as if they belong to you. Or perhaps you meant that in a tribal sense? Sounds a bit collectivist to me....
'Attack' is an awfully strong word; have you really reached the point where the US to you is like Israel in that disagreeing with any policy domestic or foreign, no matter how unconscionable, is considered an 'attack'? Sounds a bit extreme to me; you're not an extremist who believes in 'my country, right or wrong' are you nmewn?
I'm not misrepresenting anything, I'm trying to have a discussion about the American political landscape and the dangers of the position you're promoting, dangers that could aversely affect a very large swath of those you so paternalistically call your people. You're the one hanging the thread up on some ridiculous irrelevant principle that you've likely concocted to avoid actually having the conversation, because you know you'll soon wind up having to try and defend the indefensible.
So what if in your narrow eyes I am just another 'ferengi troll' or whatever, that hardly addresses the completely valid points I've raised.
Write me off indeed, what a coward you are nmewn. Either that or you know that you haven't a leg to stand on.
"The air in here is pretty thin, I think I'll step outside..." -The Stranglers
The point at which you decided to make a comment to me is when I called Pelosi an economic terrorist. And the record of her premeditated destruction is very clear.
She is an economic terrorist.
The thing about being a non US citizen is you don't get a vote here GoinFawr...and my people (yes, tribal sense) now see just how much damage so few socialists can do in such a short amount of time. Its a lot like giving a monkey a hammer in a glass shop isn't it? ;-)
We (here) have to do this to ourselves every thirty or forty years, it seems, as some sort of weird validation of who & what we are. We'll pull through just fine, so don't concern yourself too much over it. If we could survive Carter and come back stronger than ever we will survive this latest batch of bile that has bubbled up from the university class.
As to your drivel about "valid points"...you haven't made any. Not one. None. All I see is red herring after red herring.
You started off with you having a "problem" with me and "my ilk", but then you can't seem to lay finger to what exactly it is, that is, you cannot or refuse to properly define it. You bring up mainstreet, then discard it. You bring up our national defense, then discard it. And finally you refuse to enlighten the assembled masses here at the Hedge of your own place of birth or residence...out of embarrassment...one can only assume.
I have far more respect for SuddenDebt & falek (among others) than I will ever have for you for that simple reason.
So run along and snipe from a Fawr...you're like BB hitting an elephants ass.
yawn. Yea, you most certainly are an elephant sized ass, I have to concede that it makes you an easy target.
"As to your drivel about "valid points"...you haven't made any. Not one. None."
Well, like they say, you can lead a horse to water...
GoinFawr - Re. ... you believe that 9-11 was an inside job, right?
Sorry. Nope, I need to correct you on this. Nmewn believes the official story/fairytale. Just ask him ... if you need confirmation. It could well be entertaining. He has some wacky story about how building 7 came down just naturally came down into it's footprint, like an old Vegas casino.
Ask him and he might share it with you.
tx
I always try to be aware of what is happening in search. Very much against this because I like my biases challenged: http://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_bubbles.html
Right now, not sure if I have enough info to make a decision as to whether she is a terrorist or not.
lol...we all need a good challenge to make sure what we think is correct and still has merit.
precisely...haha
"A liberal dem would say that he's actually creating jobs by covering his body in third-degree burns."
Hilarious and sad...i've been saying that alot lately. Is that bad?
They'll mail the bills to a randomly selected German, and ask the German to work some extra shifts, cut down on household expenses, and postpone retirement to be able to pay them. Hey, if it works in the aggregate, no reason it shouldn't work on a one-to-one basis.
The Gremans pay for his medical care.
Don't forget my post of a week or so ago. Was dining with a group of fellows one of whom is a dual national Greek-US, spends half time each place. Vastly beyond normal upscale.
His synposys on the whole thing is that the "Germans are a buncha dumb fucks", they're never ever gonna get paid back, Greeks have no intention of paying. And, are in the process of blatantly trying to get (read extort) evey penny of bailout monies from the EU, ECB, whoeverthefuckelse, before they walk the bill. Walk it, as is No Fucking Way. They're astounded at the roads, schools, hospitals, infrastructure the EU (Germans) have paid for. Can't figgure out how and why they're so Fucking Blind... maybe post WWII guilt, but he doesn't give a shit.
"Pass the hat, we'll take all you'll give us."
And the proof? The riots. The public's saying NFW.
The Germans are gonna pay his bill.
"Vastly beyond normal upscale."
perhaps much more insightful in deciphering his observations than the fact that he's Greek.
MSM will spin this as a "pro democracy" movement if they touch it at all.
Unfortunately most of them are socialists who want circumstances that will bring more of the same.
God have mercy on this poor man, but why the hell did he go OUTSIDE the bank and set himself on fire. Why didn't he pour some of that gas over the bank president and everyone else behind the counter and then himself. If you're going to go, why not take as many of the bastards with you as possible.
And by the way, the same question applies to everyone in this country who has only a few months to live because of some awful disease. There are bad guys in every office building in every city - usually in the top floor corner offices. Going up?
He probably is a righteous dude who knew what was going on and saw it pointless to punish others who are too stupid and ignorant to the situation. Bank tellers are merely pawns.
And they will say, "I'M RICH BIATCH!! HAHAHA, now get a job and stop asking me for money"
If thats how you really, truly feel - you're a fucking asshole. Otherwise, I'm guessing and hoping your having a shitty day and thats your dry humor.....have a drink, relax.
These self-immolation protests are extremely powerful and gripping. For centuries, they have been a sign of extreme frustration and helplessness within societies and a way of putting everyone on notice that things are about to boil over. Even in repressive states this form of protest has proven effective at shaking TPTB. It is horrible, but also hard for the press to ignore and the rulers not to acknowledge with some kind of response.....which then feeds on itself as others respond to the response. It is the type of action that has the potential to become a black swan event.
If I were long Mr. Market this weekend, I would be a little nervous.
I think i'd do an insurance office...when i launch my dodge into the foyer i'll just make sure the gas tank is full...and the trunk...and the back seat...
Arab spring, Greek summer, European winter, US spring? And REALLY!!! Why aren't these folks taking out a few bankers with them. What a waste of a suicide.
There's a political utopia which the faceless machinery in Brussels is chasing at all costs and is described as "one european family" and praised for the "prosperity and stability" it has brought for "the family". And then there's this, the reality.
It's disturbing to see an image like this. One picture speaks louder than the endless propaganda coming out from the office of the reincarnation of Baghdad Bob in Brussels day in day out.
But what i find even more disturbing is the lack of interest, criticism and action towards the undemocratic and tyrannical EU-regime by the masses in almost every country in death errr eurozone.
No different than recent pablum abut "Your Federal Family" shit being promulgated in the US...
Want to see some downright obvious propaganda? Go see the movie (lousy) "Contagion" Every fucking meme about the world as it really (read pill) is, big gubamint good for you....
Disturbing.
Already in America:
http://www.dailypaul.com/168051/tom-ball-kills-himself-in-front-of-nh-courthouse
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-new-hampshire-man-burns-self-courthouse-protest
you must be new.
And? No revolution! Nobody cares! As long as they are not burning McDonalds, Apple and Dish Network down, Americans will not riot, never.
Bunga.
Cancel the NFL season unexpectedly this fall and you'd have riots in every major city in America.
THAT's how you get a revolution. Interrupt the pipeline of mindless entertainment and gadgetry-based amusements and the boredom of the idiocracy would erupt into a social movement against Washington that would make the French Revolution look like a town hall meeting in comparison.
If the Russians had TV, gladiator arenas a little food and/or whatever (insert myriad of entertainments that usually numb the masses) around 1900-17 there wouldn't have been a Revolution. No one really gives a damn this time either, yet.
That final testament is more rational more lucid and better written than what 90% of the State College Professors could produce; if they ever had an original thought or investigation that needed to be communicated that is. What an indictment of Big Brother.
It's on the front of Reuters A man pours a flammable liquid on his body to set himself on fire outside a Piraeus bank branch in Thessaloniki in northern Greece September 16, 2011. The 55-year old man had entered the bank and asked for a renegotiation of his overdue loan payments on his home and business, according to police, which he could not pay, but was refused by the bank...
He was long NFLX.
You've got no chance of seeing such selfless principled sacrifice in the US of A, land of the most pathetic and docile peoples on the planet.
not so FMB...all we need now are the budget cuts that bring home the troops from overseas into this unemployment quagmire and then let's see how docile the streets of Merica remain.
Why don't you show us how it's done.
We'll be right behind ya.
cut a joker off his big mac and fries and you just might.
they should burn the fuckin bankers
for those who may not be aware it was the self immolation of a Tunisian man that "sparked" the Arab spring
Mohamed Bouazizi
This one a few months back June 2011 Thomas James Ball of New Hampshire had been through a divorce and a battle with his ex-wife over child support. He believed he was facing jail time. His suicide was in protest of the family court system he felt had done him wrong.
shoulda set the bank on fire instead
Or took some metal outa the market. This self immolation thing always gets tons of exposure though. And torching the bank could have been used as an excuses to clamp down on the citizens. Not that i would have complained about a ruined bank though...
The human torch was denied a bank loan. - Ron Burgundy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyMpZTba5Tc
looks like fresh matieral for that dude that Max Keiser interviewed that paints burning bank buildings.
Dude, you're supposed to torch THE BANK!
The Jasmine revolution started in Tunisia this way! Hope a Greek revolution will set in motion.
i understand better the french revolutuion, when people, instead of dying or kill themselves, decides to take off the head of rich mens
how long before it happens ?
An went on to perpetrate The Terror.
Good times.
/s
You're right.
I thought folks here liked inconvenient truths?
Clearly whats called for is a Committee of Public Safety ;-)
Better hope this doesn't catch on...next will be a FLASH MOB of these guys...3-2-1, flame-on!
When the Soviets crushed the Prague Spring with their tanks in 1968, Jan Palach did the same.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eg4RyNmPMYM/S1Gaus9anZI/AAAAAAAAFmI/Vb1bIBiiKW...
sacrifice like this is imo more effective in mobilizing (infuriating) the masses than property destruction...
Reason and purpose are the only effective ways to live and grow and thrive.
These people should stop setting themselves on fire and instead burn down this corrupt system of Bankers, Lobbyists and Government!
The rule should be, you can burn no more of any combination of the above in total than how many of your tax dollars they burned thru! in your life time (that should keep everyone on the safe side of legal!
can I get someone to float this bill in congress for me? PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!?
no mention of occupy wall street on Zerohedge? Am I missing something?
It's been uncovered as a psyops tactic by the self-same Wall Street Fuckers who the protest is supposed to target. The Liberal Scumbag Democrats are coordinating it and will be paid handsomely by the Wall Street Fuckers. I learned this on Zero Hedge.
Think you got it wrong.
Congratulations; you have absorbed the content of the Zero Mind Hive well; your gold star is in the mail; (paper gold star).
Yes. Keep quiet about that.
Jesus, those poor people!
That burning dude might have been an "Armchair Anarchist" and perma-scroom blogger who was caught short on AMZN or Goodrich today.
Today? Probably sleep. Or wake up on time. You?
Or shorted the s&p last friday expecting the eurozone to implode. got margin?
Maybe he was a zero hedge reader who put all his family's savings in BAC puts.
This guy is well fed and has a health care safety net. He had something to lose.
On the other hand, someone that is sick and does not have access to basic health care? I leave that up to the Libertarians to answer.
I doubt Liberty will be very relevant at that juncture.
Wow! As if liberty didn't exist before free hand outs from the government. Just, wow!
1) Before Medicare there were charitable hospitals which took all patients and turned none away.
2) People with access to socialized medicine die, too. Any system imaginable will result in at least some deaths. That's life. If we are to use the standard which you apply to free market medicine and charity to examine the other possible systems you must admit that no matter which philosophy you embrace you'll have to be willing to see some people die. So you can drop the holier than thou crap.
Greece already belongs to Europe.
Last line should be:
"Tomorrow in America:"
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Sorry dude, non of us ( american) got balls.
Farmers in India too have been doing this by the hundreds for basically the same reason for many years - dealing with money lenders!
But they, of course, never threatened to bring down the financial system of India or any other country and have mostly been, and continue to be ignored by the International media - perhaps because they do not become burning torches but do away with themselves by drinking pesticides.
Ever heard of 'bride burning'? You're right about the poor Indian farmers killing themselves by drinking poison ( not just pesticides - bleach is another fave) but then there are all of those Indian mothers-in-law who acidentally spill kerosene on their son's wife in the kitchen who then accidentally goes up in flames so that he & Mom can keep her dowry and he's free to go get himself another. And another. In some families these accidents happen three or four times. And of course they are so routine that they never get reported.
Billions live on less than 1 dollar per day, wonder how they will feed their children, others suffer terrible handicaps, still others die in brutal deaths. But...These morons use fuel to destroy there only chance over money. .
Had that man been a bank, the policeman with the fire extinguisher would have been a central bank with newly printed money sacks.
Had that man been a bank, the policeman with the fire extinguisher would have been a central bank with newly printed money sacks.
No Jack. The policeman would have been a treasury agent and would have ripped the jackets off of the nearest bystanders and thrown then over the burning bank to put out the fire. Then the bank, instead of showing gratitude for the bystander's (involuntary) donation of jackets to extinguish his pain, would have foreclosed on their homes for being late on their payments.
A classic case of when you lose everything and you have nothing else to lose, you lose it!
Yep, Celente nailed it.
Many of Celente's predictions have come to pass. And there was a time people called him a crackpot.
We still have more of his predicted events ahead of us.
Celente did nail it. Unfortunately he is refering to the masses.
I only wish the banksters and the NWO'ers would set themselves on fire. Literally.
I blame fossil fuels.
Yep, without gasoline this never would have happened.
Maybe it was a Zambuka with some Sambuka.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60GTqYfIfYI&feature=related
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This sums it up pretty well.
Greece under Dictatorship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pry5iL4TIa8&feature=player_embedded
I took care of a guy who set himself on fire for a while before he died in the Burn Unit. What a miserable way to go. Horrific and the suffering is unimagineable. Burnt himself up because of a bad loan? It is NEVER that bad, it's fiat currency for crissakes. Only thing worse is a tylenol overdose because you are completely awake as your liver fails.
Double post, sorry
Opa!
JFC ... what is this world becoming? What will this world be like for my children? it's just debt people ..walk away and eff them.
What is ZH coming to?
Tragedy that is protrayed here, becomes the target of sophmoric, syncophantic barbs?
I would expect no less from a bunch of narcissictic, non-feeling teenagers. Oh wait...
Sorry carry on kids.
You have not checked our Friday afternoon Bang Dae Ho segment from the Bloomberg terminal? Yah, this place has always had the feeling of a fratpad.
Don't get too hot about it.
What the fuck man. This poor sap reaches the end after the bank won't work with him. We're fucking hurting out here. We're going to reach a point where a whole lot of people just say fuck it and everyone is going to have a bad day. We need a new system and one way or another it's coming. Bloomberg the idiot apparently sees something following his comments today about riots popping off in NY if some jobs don't show up, and fast.
I have to pinch myself sometimes, I can't believe this is happening. Sometimes I feel so alone because all around me are mindless zombies. Thank God I got this place. ZH stuff is the only thing I can read without feeling lost, alone.
I think a whole lot of Americans are already saying "Fuck it." But they don't set themselves on fire -- and they don't burn down a bank either. What's that gonna do?
They just quit paying on their mortgages. Millions of them. They're just saying -- "OK, so if these assholes don't have to worry about the rule of law -- if they just get an extra trillion when they fuck up -- AND they get to keep the profits they made while fucking up -- why should I pay?"
That's the revolution.
Wonder if the next stop is tax evasion by the masses?
God bless the poor guy. But if that was me I'd be burning the damned bank, not myself.
It's not funny when a guy gets so desperate, so ashamed, unable to care for his family - that he has to light himself on fire.
Yeah, he's in great shape to take care of his family now.
Why do people want to find nobility in a crazy loon quitter?
"Yeah, he's in great shape to take care of his family now."
No doubt. Nice megaphone he's carrying as well.
Ya know, I don't own a megaphone. As a matter of fact, I can't think of anyone I know that owns a megaphone or would have use for one.
Very odd.
That was how he made sure that there would be cops nearby with a fire extinguisher.
Just because he's Greek doesn't mean he's a .. um ... cretin.
"Just because he's Greek doesn't mean he's a .. um ... cretin."
Well done...lol.
Yeah, it appeared that way to me as well (police, paramedics just off camera). I've actually seen one of these "events" up close...I'll never forget the smell and his groans. Every part of his body was burned except the soles of his feet.
The guy I saw survived but probably wished he hadn't...when the nurses start scrubbing the burns to remove the dead & decaying tissue he will wish he made a very different "statement"...I can assure everyone here of that.
To anyone who reads this...don't do this to yourself...you will probably survive it and then you can only look forward to six months to a year and a half of agony followed by a face to live with like Freddy Kruger...just sayin.
bloomberg warning there may be riots in nyc...kudlow spins...
All these government guys think jobs are something they can bag up and deliver to a major city near you. Of course, they don't actually believe this, but they say it so that the free money spigots stay open.
The US treasury is being looted...which is what happens last right before the system fails. And the riots will come eventually.
Rome....again.
All the more reason to tell NYC to pound sand.
IS IT TUNISIA YET?
planned-opolis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q966tz9aEHM
I originally thought the above was a full fledged satire of NWO eco fanatic thinking
so you can imagine my surprise when I discovered that the above was actually the exact video and audio (all they did was add some satirical sub titles) of this identical video from "forum for the future" who actually aspire to such a future
http://www.youtube.com/user/forumforthefuture96#p/u/14/P7rCAYkoMT0
I soak myself in lamp oil and I burn myself in front of the crowd. The crowd seems to love it.
I have burns only on my neck chest face breast and head. A little makeup conceals everything.
Low budget Johnny Storm.
Flame ON
what a loser
Gosh how bad does it have to be to set yourself on fire. TPTB are probably laughing their asses off as the people turn inward and on each other with their anger and frustration. It's not this guy who needs to burn.
I pray for him and his family.
I guess I understand the total despair of being so marginalized that you just give the fuck in and call it a day but damn man....... set yourself on freakin fire ?
Arent there a TON more ....ahem... constructive ways to get back at the bankers who are assraping you ?
Next level is perhaps suicide bomber!!!
God bless him.
That guy is a real gyro.
so who took the pictures and just stood by watching ?
I would watch.......every man must make his choices..........the road to hell is paved with good intentions just look at all the libral socialist fascist trying to save everything and destroying everything
If people only have hope and trust in Governments who promise them rose gardens for life, than I too would want to die.
My hope is in the LORD JESUS and my trust is in HIS FINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS. No government can take that from me!
I love ZeroHedge because I believe in being as prepared as possible for what is coming.
2 Americans immolated themselves in 1965 to protest the Vietnam excursion; Norman Morrisson and Alice Herz. Co-incidentaly, the tide began to turn.
Slow tide - the last combat troops were sent to Viet Nam in Februray 1973.
Won't be seeing this covered in the MSM aka Obama's Propaganda Dept
Unfortunately nothing's shocking anymore. Look at all the jokster comments here.
But the holocaust oh man no jokes there. But if any other race or people are desperate its funny.
How do you fit 160 joos in a volkswagen? In the ashtray.
An Israeli told me that one. In Israel. In a group of Israelis.
Person clicking red arrow - is it because the joke was tasteless, or that a Jew told it?
I would have never thought to tell such a joke, even to non-Jews. They made light of a horrible event. I think it is called gallows humor.
I once got drunk on a bus with an Israeli with the slave labor camp tatoo on his arm. All the other Jews on the bus were yelling at him when he lit up a joint.
They had no sympathy for his early life experience. I did, so I encouraged him to keep drinking and smoking.
Does that make me better than the Jews on the bus?
In the next few months to few years all of us will be challenged regarding our attachments to "The Story Of Me". We think we are the director, the star and the writer of our life play. We play by the rules as our play is within the play of greater society and nature. As the fiction we have built our lives upon crumbles, we have two options, attach to our expectations and suffer or see reality for what it is and adapt. You are not the things you own, nor are you your portfolio. You are PLAYING A FUCKING MEANINGLESS GAME then you die...period!!! You give it meaning only by thinking it so.
Am I frustrated that parasitic bankers have enslaved the world? YES!!! Am I looking forward to the collapse of the ponzi schemeS? YES!!!
Will I allow the bankster game players to manipulate me into being their bitch debt slave? FUCK NO!
Prepare for the worst and accept events as they occur and attempt to stay alert and ahead of the wave, catch it and ride it!!!
Food! Seeds! Cash! Guns! Ammo! Medicine! Bugout Plan! (moving to less populated area) Collaborate! Communicate!
All this other shit will just happen. It is best to be prepared and just get out of the way and enjoy the wipeout from a distance.
zerohedge, an intelligent blog populated by remorseless stingy ignorant selfish types who hate the poor. hooray for you!
We hope the poor get themselves out of poverty. But we aren't delusional enought to think that they can be helped out of poverty (57% of people below the poverty line have cable TV) by a government program. And since this reliance on Big Government is the "religion" of choice to the ignorant and corrupt, and since this religion is crashing and burning this time around just like it did in Communist Russia, Communist China, Communist Cambodia, Communist Cuba, Communist (name goes here).....etc., all that is left of these religions fanatics to do is resort to HATE. But if history teachs us anything, it is that eventually this hate will turn much uglier. And then the question will be..... wait for it.... how many people will be massacered this time around in the name of this other "religion of peace" - Socialism.
This guy, like all of us, made choices. He chose to be stupid, and failed at the arithmetic. Yes, it is sad they would not redo his loans. Sadder that he thinks burning himself up because he is going to lose his STUFF is a good idea.
It's stuff, people. I am not my cars, my house, my clothes, my silver and gold, my guns. I am me. Not the things I have, or in this idiot's case, the stuff the bank lent him.
You cannot borrow your way to happiness long term. Ask my older fellow babyboomers. They borrowed and spend, and now are going into retirement with gigantic mortgages and debts. They borrowed stuff they could not pay for, confusing success with physical things that are rented, and now must pay the price. Hopefully the good will come when younger people understand that to borrow is to be a slave.
I tried to explain to a college kid once that taking a student loan and renting a nice apartment, getting a big screen, a new car stereo was the stupidist thing he could do. I explained that the apartment, the tv, the car stereo, would all be distant memories but the loan payments would still be there 20 years later, but I had no effect. Stupid is as stupid does.
I have no sympathy. Let them drink Drano. The banksters took advantage of greed and stupidity. Nothing new there.