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Arab Spring Makes An Autumn Return: Saudi Police Open Fire On Protesting Civilians

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Today's news that Greek protesters were back and getting occasionally violent caught nobody by surprise. However what may be unexpected is that not only is the Arab Spring back (almost in time for Christmas) but it is in the bastion of "stability", not to menion crude oil, Saudi Arabia. As The Independent reports, "Pro-democracy protests which swept the Arab world earlier in the year have erupted in eastern Saudi Arabia over the past three days, with police opening fire with live rounds and many people injured, opposition activists say." What? Never heard of this before? Yes, amazing how efficient the media veil is when it has an agenda.


Saudi Arabia last night confirmed there had been fighting in the region and that 11 security personnel and three civilians had been injured in al-Qatif, a large Shia city on the coast of Saudi Arabia's oil-rich Eastern Province. The opposition say that 24 men and three women were wounded on Monday night and taken to al-Qatif hospital.


The Independent has been given exclusive details of how the protests developed by local activists. They say unrest began on Sunday in al-Awamiyah, a Shia town of about 25,000 people, when Saudi security forces arrested a 60-year-old man to force his son – an activist – to give himself up. 


Mr Rayah added that "there have been protests for democracy and civil rights since February, but in the past the police fired into the air. This is the first time they have fired live rounds directly into a crowd." He could not confirm if anybody had been killed.

The biggest loser when this spreads? Why the US of course.

The US, as the main ally of Saudi Arabia, is likely to be alarmed by the spread of pro-democracy protests to the Kingdom and particularly to that part of it which contains the largest oil reserves in the world. The Saudi Shia have been angered at the crushing of the pro-democracy movement in Bahrain since March, with many protesters jailed, tortured or killed, according Western human rights organisations.


Hamza al-Hassan, an opponent of the Saudi government from Eastern Province living in Britain, predicted that protests would spread to more cities. "I am frightened when I see video film of events because most people in this region have guns brought in over the years from Iraq and Yemen and will use them [against government security men]," he said. He gave a slightly different account of the start of the riots in al-Awamiyah, saying that two elderly men had been arrested by the security forces, one of whom had a heart attack.


"Since September there has been a huge presence of Saudi security forces in al-Qatif and all other Shia centres," he said. Al-Qatif was the scene of similar protests in March, which were swiftly quashed by security forces.

We ask any of our readers who may be in the region (where unfortunately ZH is blocked), to send us video clips of any riots and any and all police intervention whether with or without use of deadly force.

h/t EscapeKey


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Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:26 | 1741449 Careless Whisper
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The Careless Whisper Morning Report


NY Attorney General Schneiderman: Bank Of NY Mellon Promised Customers Best Foreign Exchange Rate, Gave Worst, Pocketed Difference; Sues For $2 Billion

Chicago Mayor Emanuel: "The Free Ride Is Over For Everybody."

Boca Raton City Council Passes New Law; Dancing To 'Thriller' In Your Driveway Is Now Illegal

Leaked Amazon Kindle Fire Sales Report; It's En Fuego

China; President Of Company Gets Jail Time, Not Civil Fine

MoveOn And Others Attempt Takeover Of OccupyWallSt

Cute Anarchist Protestor Missed Connection

Four Loko Will Comply With FTC Demand To Advertise Each Can Contains As Much Alcohol As Four Beers



Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:28 | 1741462 catacl1sm
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Damn... I gotta try one of those Four Loko's on Friday. Or maybe right before my son's soccer game on Saturday, that should make things 'interesting'.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:44 | 1741531 JohnG
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That stuff will do some wierd things to your mind.  Think Jack & Jolt.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:08 | 1741630 The Big Ching-aso
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Think half a six-pack of Colt .45's and a Mad Dog chaser.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:01 | 1741922 bread n circuses
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Colt .45 comes in 6-packs?  I thought you could only get pints and tall boys.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:05 | 1741938 IAmNotMark
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Eeuuwwww.....That sounds nasty. 

How about a Bass growler and a Glenlivit chaser instead?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:13 | 1741654 Popo
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Somehow when a government decides to respond to protesters by... oh y',know... shooting and killing them ... it doesn't really open up much of a debate on who's right and who's wrong.


Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:13 | 1741956 Dental Floss Tycoon
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And since it is the Saudis doing the shooting there won't be any talk of no fly zones.


Wed, 10/05/2011 - 21:07 | 1743790 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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The oil-intelligence-military complex wants to "save" the Syrians, of course.

Russia, China veto anti-Syria UN effort:

Blocking of Security Council Resolution on Syria a "Shocking Betrayal," Says Amnesty International:

Libya and Syria: Western-led military operations:

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:38 | 1741504 disabledvet
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Careless Whisper indeed. Protests as chance to meet girls says one thing: this sucker 'll be going for "as long as it takes."

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:46 | 1741516 PY-129-20
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Frankfurt is closed - bomb threat. Happy trading! :)

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:20 | 1741550 Dapper Dan
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Oct 5, 11:29 AM EDT


IMF official retracts statement on bond purchases

BRUSSELS (AP) -- In a dramatic turnaround, a senior official for the International Monetary Fund is retracting an earlier statement that the IMF could intervene in bond markets to support struggling Italy and Spain.

We changed our mind on changing our minds.

OT; #2

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The fees keep coming. Citi is the latest big bank to slap customers with a round of fee hikes. This time, on its checking accounts.

Starting in December, customers who hold its mid-level Citibank Account will be charged $20 a month if they fail to maintain a minimum balance of $15,000 in their combined accounts. Previously, account holders had to carry a minimum balance of $6,000

How many people have $15,000 in a checking account?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:57 | 1741907 r101958
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BAC did this back in early 2009.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1741605 SheepDog-One
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Four Loko will now see a huge increase in sales now that theyre forced to identify 'this can contains more alcohol than 4 beers'.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:06 | 1741613 TK7936
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Heres what Greece and Saudi have iin common:

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:26 | 1741451 catacl1sm
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The US Military will protect the Saudi kings.. at least until we have a deal with the new 'regime'.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:31 | 1741475 Cash_is_Trash
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The Saudis will have to call their military back from Occupied Qatar.

Powderkeg, bitchez

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:37 | 1741499 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Cash, green

I wonder what Arab "democracies" are going to look like?  Will they edge to more "Western" values (you know, the ones we used to have like civility, transparency, rule of law, etc.)?

Or will they move to jihadist extremism, and light that powderkeg?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:39 | 1741513 Cash_is_Trash
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It may look like the current military junta in Egypt.

No wonder women were allowed to vote in Saudi not long ago; smells like a concession.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:47 | 1741542 DoChenRollingBearing
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That is an interesting development, I missed that one, thanks for sharing that.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:54 | 1741564 hedgeless_horseman
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Black swans are harder to spot wrapped in white Egyptian cotton.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1741606 Cash_is_Trash
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Supposedly Egyptian Cotton is the best in the world.

It's like the 0.995 American Eagles of fabric.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:05 | 1741936 bread n circuses
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It tastes great dipped in chocolate.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 14:13 | 1742126 lex nulla
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We can have a mart.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:13 | 1741657 karzai_luver
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if they wish to move to mars it is their choice.


Until you and others realize that the us and all the others need to get out of the way and let them pick their poison nothing can work.

Maybe nothing can work anyway, but they have to believe they are making their own choices before there is ever buy in to any type of gvt.





Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:14 | 1741658 Spastica Rex
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Democracy® is a registered trademark of the United States of America. Unauthorized use will result in severe monetary and millitary penalties.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:59 | 1741915 natty light
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You mean Bahrain right? 


Qatari troops in Libya also.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:22 | 1741981 Dental Floss Tycoon
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If it gets as far as a new 'regime' then the Saudis must have pissed off the CIA.  I think this is an 'unlicensed' protest.

Protesting without a permit is not allowed in Saudi Arabia.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:02 | 1741452 BigJim
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Maybe this time it will be the US and UK vetoing Russian and China-sponsored sanctions on a repressive regime.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:27 | 1741453 PaperBear
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“Saudi security forces arrested a 60-year-old man to force his son – an activist – to give himself up.”


Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:33 | 1741482 Cash_is_Trash
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most people in this region have guns brought in over the years from Iraq and Yemen and will use them

Suadis are now a national threat to their government.

Cue CIA drone strikes.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:38 | 1741501 john39
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its wonderful how the U.S. promotes freedom and justice throughout the world by careful support of allies who share the U.S. commitment to such values....  /s sarc   

in reality, what do you expect from a bunch of zionist controlled puppet states (including the U.S.)?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:43 | 1741525 Cash_is_Trash
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I expect the U.S. to purchase Israeli weaponry, including forcing other Western governments to purchase their crap too.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:54 | 1741566 john39
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and sell them our equipment below cost....  one big circle jerk that screws the american tax payer, again.   supports a racist illegal state (israel) and fees the military industrial complex... all on the back of the U.S. taxpayer.  what a world.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:03 | 1741601 Abitdodgie
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Then stop paying taxes or stop bitching about it.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:08 | 1741632 Cash_is_Trash
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Irwin Schiff stopped paying taxes and ended up in Terra Haute, Indiana, in some "correctional facility". Look him up, he's a notable tax protestor - appeared on 'America: Freedom to Fascism'.

BTW, the he's father of Peter Schiff.

Bitchin' is all we have for the moment.

Bitchin' removed Mubarak from power.

Bitchin' will provoke national attention via Occupy Wall Street

We bitched the British off our continent, bitchez

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:10 | 1741640 The Big Ching-aso
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Bitch, bitch, bitch.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:23 | 1741725 juangrande
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'We bitched the british off our continent".  So, native americans weren't bitchin' enough?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:24 | 1741737 john39
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not enough of them left alive at the time to accomplish much.  biological warefare did wonders for them.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:56 | 1742067 bread n circuses
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When a land conflict did develop between new settlers and old..."God ended the controversy by sending the small pox amongts the Indians," in the words of the Puritain minister Increase Mather.  "Whole towns of them were swept away, in some of them not so much as one Soul escaping the Destruction." By the time the Native populations of New England had replenished themselves to some degree, it was too late to expel the intruders.


--James W. Lowen: Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong.



Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:06 | 1741615 BigJim
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In September 2011, it was announced that the Israeli Government seized 6 Turkish Heron's whilst they were undergoing maintenance at IAI workshops in Israel.

IAI staff maintain that the Turkish Heron's "with its enhanced performance, is better than all existing Heron UAVs operating worldwide”.

Can't see the Turks being too pleased about that.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:00 | 1741589 Nascent_Variable
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In March of this year, there was a huge set of pro-democracy protests scheduled all across Saudi Arabia.  Of the tens of thousands who joined the protest group on Facebook, only a few hundred actually showed up.  there is no telling what happened to those people.

As a side note, the House of Saud offered to buy Facebook for $50 billion, IIRC, to shut down protestor communications.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:27 | 1741758 karzai_luver
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we threaten and detain and hold people's family hostage in order to get them to turn over someone we have defined as a terrorist.


This is nothing new.


The U.S. has supported and carried out this type of policy forever.


Cut out the self gloss, it makes you look lame or corrupt.


Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:32 | 1742005 Dental Floss Tycoon
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Can you give recent examples?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:28 | 1741459 Village Smithy
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I feel so comfortable living in a country where the media knows what's best for me and my family to be aware of. This way I can watch Dancing with the Stars worry free.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:35 | 1741487 Cash_is_Trash
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Do you have access to Al Jazeera in the USA?

Man, they have the best shit besides the hedge.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:39 | 1741507 john39
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RT is better...  the problem with aljazeera is that the some propaganda is these, just from a different angle.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:46 | 1741537 Cash_is_Trash
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RT isn't a top tier source like Al Jazeera. AJ has so many programs and coverage with actual funding. I don't think RT has nearly the resources AJ has.

In a world of broken media we have no choice, except the INTERNET WOOO!

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:39 | 1741508 Fips_OnTheSpot
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There's always webstream on their website.

Sidenote: as aired today on AJ, Turkey is doing massive "military training ops" on the border to Syria.

Merry Xmas!

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:07 | 1741621 Abitdodgie
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NATO needs to bomb S Arabia just for humaniterian reasons.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:44 | 1741530 magpie
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Speaking of might have missed someone else.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:01 | 1741593 spankfish
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Dancing is ?  What channel?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:41 | 1741460 TrembleTheDevil
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The recent uprisings in Saudi Arabia's eastern cities (located above where all the oil is) are an attempt by Iran to remove the last crux of American foreign policy in the Middle East, The Jinn in the Machine:

Categorizing the uprising as pro-democracy may sort of miss the point, if anything they’re anti-Saudi which in turns mean that the Shias who join them are likely going to be just a little bit upset at the foreign power that’s been providing arms, training, funding, and implicit legitimacy to the Saudi government for the past several decades.

Should this Shia Spring swell to the point where it begins to threaten access to the world’s largest remaining petroleum reserves, the last remaining keystone of American foreign policy in the Middle East could get crushed by another wave of popular dissent.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:42 | 1741522 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, a Shia Spring (Autumn) in this case.  I doubt very much any Shia countries will be looking anything like Western democracies for deacdes...

When (if?) do we see an Iranian Spring again?  Will the USA do something if it happens again?

All that oil in the Middle East...  The Trickster's best joke yet!

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:50 | 1741547 john39
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shia muslims have every right to be pissed off at western/zionist support of sunni puppet states in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain etc...  these regimes exploit the resources and people to enrich themselves and foreign powers.  As far as the failed protests in Iran...  the whole smells of covert opps, like in Syria and Libya.  once you understand who the players are, it gets easy to spot a real uprising as opposed to outside interference to accomplish globalist ends...

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:52 | 1741554 Ratscam
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Saudi Arabia does not have a dictator, they have a king with many princes, unlike Lybia - sarc
Don,t believe the bullshit MS-media talks about the progress of NATO, the North American Terror Organization. check here for news from the other side

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:00 | 1741579 The Big Ching-aso
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It's good to be King.   In San Francisco however it's better to be Queen.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:53 | 1741558 tarsubil
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Are you serious? This is a dream come true for the MIC. More war. Whoopee.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:10 | 1741639 reload
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TTD nails it - it is a Suni / Shia thing. If you are a Suni US protectorate you can brutalise your citizens without fear of criticism. Just look what happened in Bahrain - atrocities by any measure. The Shias are not going to forget about it. The west only cares for the flow of oil, we will make friends with whoever controlls it. as long as some of the resources can be sold cheap to a Rothschild interest.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:28 | 1741461 PaperBear
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Russia and China should table a United Nations resolution against Saudi Arabia.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:28 | 1741463 Henry Chinaski
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Too hot to protest and dodge bullets there in the summer.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:28 | 1741466 mynhair
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Should be bullish for Cu.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:29 | 1741467 CvlDobd
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1984 bitchez

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:30 | 1741468 papaswamp
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..with support from the US...of course no shock when the present administration supports child soldiers too.

President Barack Obama has decided to waive almost all the legally mandated penalties for countries that use child soldiers and provide those countries U.S. military assistance, just like he did last year.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:30 | 1741470 Catullus
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I guess if you're not a group of smelly, unemployed hippies banging on bongo drums and demanding more "regulation" and free health care, the corporate media outlets don't give a fuck about you.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:31 | 1741476 Zonker
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Again, all this government action is good for Entitlement Reform, Unemployment and reducing Green House Gases!  Kill 'em All and let Allah Sort 'em Out!



Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:31 | 1741477 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Woah there. Oil already up?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:31 | 1741478 buzzsaw99
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Hey there Mr. Muslim, Merry Fuckin' Christmas
Put down that book 'The Koran'
and hear some holiday wishes.
In case you haven't noticed,
It's Jesus' Birthday
So get off your heathen Muslim Ass
And fuckin' celebrate.


[/mr. garrison]

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:32 | 1741480 Dick Darlington
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Soon we'll see Nicolas "Little Napoleon" Sarcozy kicking and screaming how "democracy" MUST be delivered to Saudi Arabia by NATO-bombers.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:39 | 1741510 BigJim
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LOL. We'll be waiting a long time before we see that.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:41 | 1741519 john39
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only if ZATO concludes that the current puppet regime is doomed to collapse...  then the parasites scramble to set up a new puppet state, ala Egypt.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:33 | 1741483 LongSoupLine
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Saudi - The real hub of terrorism.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:36 | 1741495 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, along with WDC!

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:34 | 1741792 karzai_luver
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They exist only due to your fiat funded Great AMerican Army.


Wed, 10/05/2011 - 14:09 | 1742104 zerozulu
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Who cares about terrorism, we need oil.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:57 | 1741574 Dr. Engali
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We are going to pay a big price for al of ths some day. Especially when it comes to turning over our defenses to this type of technology.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:26 | 1741647 wang (not verified)
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in the not too distant future killer drones will be deployed domestically for our safety and the sheeple will give thanks


Two miles from the cow pasture where the Wright Brothers learned to fly the first airplanes, military researchers are at work on another revolution

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:41 | 1741521 Dr. Engali
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Must want free health care. All debts public and private to be wiped out. Everybody to be paid the same livng wage regardless of what they do. Free college tuition for everybody which makes no sense since everybody will be paid the same. Why go? Oops..Wait wrong country. The arabs are protesting and dodging bullets  because they want to eat and feed their families. Our protesters want life handed to them without working for it.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:45 | 1741534 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes indeed quite a difference.

But, do not be surprised if what the Arab demonstrators want is Jihad...

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:02 | 1741597 The Big Ching-aso
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I think the world is getting ready to release one giant fatwa.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:36 | 1741804 karzai_luver
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and after the shit dealt to them , I hope they get it.


A war isn't over until both sides say it is.


good line, that.


Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:45 | 1741523 Dr. Richard Head
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Here are some - (I'm in the states though) - most extensive video is the first video.  Chaos at the 6 minute mark.



Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:38 | 1742026 GFKjunior
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Pretty cool.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:44 | 1741528 casaananda
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Qatif area in SA long, long a place of discontent. It's mostly a Shi'a area. 

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:44 | 1741529 disabledvet
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Stay long the peace process. As oil prices keep tanking we'll have more stories like this. Now welcome to Alt Energy Today as we've already replaced the oil here in the USA. The only restraint is the usual: the folks doing the replacing are trying too hard to make money before making product. Apple teaches us first adopter as low cost leader is the winner.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:47 | 1741541 JenkinsLane
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Glad to see the word Christmas hasn't been banned from ZH.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:52 | 1741555 Moneyswirth
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Frankfurt stock exchange evacuated?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:53 | 1741557 catacl1sm
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Some funny shit here:

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:53 | 1741559 thunderchief
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Where are the Russians and Chinese when we need them.

Oh I forgot, they are covering Syria.

USA has Bahrain and Saudi covered.


Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:53 | 1741560 heatbarrier
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That's part of Plan B.

After Plan A failed, "securing the realm (oil)" and all that, Iraq,Syrian, Iran.  Bogged down.

Now Plan B, "close the Persian Gulf", and secure gas/oil in the Americas.  Empire Amerika.  Everybody else, except Russia, is f%$k, it might work.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:54 | 1741565 monopoly
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On and on. Nothing is banned here, you are confusing us with MSM.

Too quiet out there today, I'm getting a little nervous.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:57 | 1741572 spankfish
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Off topic. But this is some funny shit.


Free speech is never free... sorry in advance for the Debbie Downer moment

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:59 | 1741578 Dick Darlington
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Greeks might not be happy if oil price will rocket up because of this.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:20 | 1741688 zuuuueri
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almost all power in greece is generated from coal, which is mined literally a couple of miles from the power plants (three major centers for this. two in the north-central region near ptolemaida, and one in the center of the pelloponisos in the south near megalopoli). Oil price does not significantly impact the price of this coal or the power it generates. (there's no market for that coal outside of the power company, and not even any infrastruture to transport it anywhere else for sale. It just gets dug and burnt on-site)

The islands on the other hand have mostly diesel or oil-fired thermal power. the cheap mainland power is horrendously overpriced and the power on the islands is priced below cost (but only like 5% of the population lives on the islands, they're quite small). 

maintenance on the power infrastructure? nonexistent. 

the power company (state owned) is one more cesspool of tens of thousands of useless excess payroll , politicall friend type favors, just sitting around doing exactly jack and shit, and the customers foot the bill for it. Amazingly, the power company is usually profitable, but with the price of power, it would be hard not to be profitable!

overall, though, greece could do with a reduction in oil consumption. greece also refines a lot of oil which gets sold on into the balkans, where there are no decent refineries. 

A lot of building heat, though is from oil. Last year was a mild winter so people dodged the bullet, so to speak. this year who knows 





Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:59 | 1741583 Dreadker
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So much for cheap gas prices this holiday season if this kicks off - merry christmas!  $20 gas lol!

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:03 | 1741602 The Big Ching-aso
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I think buying stock in Schwinn is maybe not so bad an idea.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:11 | 1741646 Cash_is_Trash
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Spare change you can believe in?

Clink clink

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:01 | 1741591 Alienated Serf
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sorry, no one will ever help the shia.  move along.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:05 | 1741611 The Big Ching-aso
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Ya and who will help clean up the Shiite mess?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:03 | 1741598 b_thunder
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I bet NYPD is watching and learning.  For the time when pepper spray won't be enough


Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:03 | 1741599 dcb
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As an american I support the universal values of liberty, etc (you know that stuff in the constitution), until in gets in the way of my corporate interests, or disripts my oil supply.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:08 | 1741629 topcallingtroll
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I know you are being sarcastic.

If liberty be a cold wind then let it fucking blow.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1741603 topcallingtroll
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Boom bust has come back as one poster put it.
Welcome to the seventies, a previous decade which ended a previous age of innocence. What is the other side gonna look like this time?

Islamic Jacobins ruling saudi arabia?
A christian China?
Russo-European economic union?
A true north american union?
A nuclear weaponized and newly assertive Japan?
15 dollar happy meals and a nine dollar minimum wage?

That is the optimist scenario.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 21:01 | 1743776 Vlad Tepid
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China going Christian Crusader would be the event of the millenium, with all its implications.  There was a book, "Jesus in Beijing," that outlined this potential occurence.  I'm always keeping one eye on it.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1741604 dbown1959
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We need oil so bad that we let our moral compus go down the shit hole. And were so broke we cant do anything about it. WTF

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:05 | 1741607 wang (not verified)
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not only the globe and mail, eh |<}

Canada doesn't see housing bubble, no need to cool

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1741608 LookingWithAmazement
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Nothing changes. People will get subpressed with the aid of the Yanks, who willingly collaborate with the dictators (and then wonder why they get attacked). No collapse of SA. No Armageddon.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:06 | 1741618 The Big Ching-aso
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Ya, no Armageddon.     Maybe only 40 to 50 incoming nukes is all.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:25 | 1741745 LookingWithAmazement
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Hell no. Politicians are buying time, bonds are written off and in 2 years or so, growth can return. PMs down. Crisis forgotten.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:05 | 1741610 monopoly
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Miners, gold, silver a little feisty today after the pronounced sell-off.

Copper, ags, ferts, oil, Hmmm.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:07 | 1741619 JW n FL
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Uploaded by on Oct 5, 2011

Saudi Arabia has blamed an unnamed foreign power for clashes that took place in its oil-rich Eastern Province in which it says 14 people were injured.

The unrest, on Monday night, occurred in the Gulf coast city of Qatif, which is home to a large Shia population and was the scene of protests earlier this year.

"A foreign country is trying to undermine national security by inciting strife in Qatif," Saudi state television cited the interior ministry as saying on Tuesday.

Al Jazeera's Mohamed Vall reports.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:33 | 1741788 JW n FL
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Kawczynski: Yes it is very difficult and you know I’m castigated in Parliament by some colleagues that think I’am too pro-Saudi. I come in for quite a bit of flak on that. But let me read to you a statement from our Foreign Secretary when he visited Saudi Arabia on the fifth of July. He said:

“Saudi Arabia is an important ally and a key player in the Middle East and beyond. Britain’s links with the Kingdom are deep and long-standing and extend from inter-governmental relations to the rich network of links between our people. It is vital that we continue to develop our relations across the board. I look forward to discussing how to achieve this and our intention to upgrade the existing Two Kingdoms Dialogue to a full Strategic Partnership by the end of the year. This will enable greater engagement between our two Kingdoms and formally put our relationship on a par with that between Britain and other major global partners.”

That’s a very important statement because it’s basically talking about upgrading the relationship and putting it on par with other major global players. And what are other major global players? The United States of America, China, India, and Russia, I presume. Saudi Arabia is of such profound importance to the United Kingdom, the relationship between our two countries has to be on an equivalent level to that of, exactly what the Foreign Secretary said, other major global players such as the United States of America.

Think to yourself for a moment the impact on our constituencies if we didn’t have Saudi Arabia as it is at the moment. If it had been swamped by Iran and the sort of people running that country were running Saudi Arabia, then all of us would be economically bankrupt. Their resources and the supply of oil and petrol to the United Kingdom is of huge importance.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:07 | 1741622 PulauHantu29
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"Protect the Civilians!"...will Sarkozy invade SA to "protect" those civilians like he did in Libya?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:14 | 1741660 The Big Ching-aso
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Ya, it's known as incidental collateral damage.    It's not the government's fault that civilians decide to hang around the middle of a war zone. (sarc - for you stupidos)

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 14:02 | 1742085 zerozulu
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It is our moral obligation to protect people of all oil producing countries.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:08 | 1741626 JW n FL
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Riot police stormed into the Athens metro Wednesday chasing after protesters demonstrating against ongoing austerity measures. Police were seen rushing down the steps into the metro after being taunted by protesters. Metro workers then intervened shouting at the riot police, causing them to retreat and leave the station.
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I like this one.. the police are being tuff guys and then the Greek People RISE UP!! BITCHEZ!

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:08 | 1741627 catacl1sm
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I think we've hit the top of this rally.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:10 | 1741637 catacl1sm
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SPX has tested 1135 quite a few times and can't break through. NASDAQ has tested 2440 a few times and hasn't broken through. Now all we need is a rumor to send this thing tanking.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:21 | 1741708 catacl1sm
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This worm has turned. All 3 major indices have broken through their most recent lows on the 1 day chart.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:15 | 1741663 junkyardjack
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We should apply some sanctions to them and not trade with them anymore until the government leaves

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:16 | 1741675 Zero Debt
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"The Independent" has no clue about what caused the "Arab Spring" and perhaps not by coincidence, because it's certainly got nothing to do with "democracy" and it is surely not limited to Arab countries: food inflation, rising prices in general, unemployment, police brutality, anti-americanism/anti-israelism and rampant corruption at every level of government. Coming soon to a "democracy" near you!

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:20 | 1741699 Carl LaFong
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Characterizing these protests as "pro-democracy" is disengenuous at he least. These "protestesters" are anti-sunni/pro-Iranian and have no interest whatsoever in "democracy". They want to tobble to Sunni gov and bring in pro-Iranian gov to take over Saudi Arabia for the Shiah mullahs. It's as simple as that.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:28 | 1741759 john39
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so what?  whatever system they come up with will be better than the monarchy they currently "live" under, where you can be executed for simply pointing out the simple truth that the saudi royal family are descendants of a decidedly non-muslim stock...

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:29 | 1741766 nyse
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Oldie but goodie:

(Sa-u-dis in A-u-dis)

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:45 | 1741848 strannick
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the Arab Spring is back (almost in time for Christmas)

thats funny! Oops, didnt see the poco thought police standing there.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:57 | 1741905 earnulf
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 I left the news media field in 1993, never got higher than the small midwest markets.    But we reported on everything (including the local news) whether it pissed someone off or not.    I spent 14 years in radio and television with the mantra to tell the truth as best we knew it and to be fair and balanced.   Now I have to fight to find out what in the world is going on.     Thank you Tyler for digging and reporting on what needs to be known, not what the PTB are paying to have known.

  And oh, that ringing sound?   The bells of liberty to awaken the sheeple and to sound the death kneel to TBTF.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:10 | 1741945 fyrebird
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Gun fire in Saudi Arabia.

To celebrate, a little light reading:

It all started (for me) with just a small item on an Internet news page, "Trouble in the Kingdom". I thought they were talking about Disney World (the Magic Kingdom) so I clicked on it. Turns out they were talking about "the repercussions of curtailed social services in Saudi Arabia". 

As I have been overheard to say, beyond here there be monsters.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 19:50 | 1743463 samsara
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I have posted that numerous times in the last couple years.

Chip did a great job.  He is also the one who penned the Classic.

Gharwar Is Dying

Welcome to the Dim Ages

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:16 | 1741964 Zer0henge
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Saudi Arabia can go to the seage pit as far as I care.  may they all kill each other, and Israel take the Oil.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:41 | 1742041 zerozulu
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America is doing all their dirty work.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:56 | 1742068 zerozulu
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Saudi men and women are full with frustration. If they have guns, something horrible will come out.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 15:06 | 1742318 QuietCorday
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Well, well, well ... now doesn't this fit in with an odd little rumour about overthrowing stable dictators in order to wangle better deals over oil supplies from subsequent governments that are well green about the ears, too worried about stamping their religious fanatism over everyone's bodies to think about monies, or may very well be sock puppets.

The problem with all those Gulfies is they know the game too well, and have got a little uppity in the last few decades. Same with Gaddafi over the other side of the sea in Libya; couldn't have him opening his country up, could they? Too much potential economic power there, might be able to dictate terms, might have actually shown how a Muslim country could modernise, be relatively succesful AND look after its own people. Did you know a few years ago, there were so many qualified dentists in Libya, students had to practise on sheep because there weren't enough patients? That Gaddafi declared higher education a human right? And it was entirely free? That the Libyan establishment was worried because the people were too molly-coddled and had no drive because everything was handed on a plate -- to the extent they fed bread to their livestock? Ever wondered exactly why that former CIA guy said all the "rebels" in Libya were mujas the US had faced elsewhere?  

These are global plays to change the paradigm. All the dictators will go, to be replaced mostly by the MB who will do very tasty deals. Mark my words. It's the lizards again. 

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