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Many Shot In Front Of Empire State Building - Live Chopper Webcam
Update: from NYPD scanner:
U/D Manhattan: 5 Ave & West 34 St/Empire State Bldg Total of 7 people shot Perp DOA 1 in serious condition All others in stable condition.
Also, according to ABC, the shooting was apparently a result of a "workplace dispute":
A workplace dispute that erupted in gunfire left as many as ten people have been injured, at least four of them shot, near the Empire State building in Midtown.
A fire department spokesman says it received a call about the shooting just after at 9 a.m. Friday and that emergency units were on the scene at Fifth Avenue and West 34th Street within minutes.
Breaking news that the 5th Avenue and 34th street area in New York has been closed after 5 people were shot outside of the Empire state victim, including the gunman. According to police scanner reports, the perpetrator has been shot by NYPD ans is is DOA on scene, with EMS assistance requested.
From Reuters:
Two people have been killed and at least eight others were wounded in a shooting outside of the Empire State Building in New York City on Friday, according to a New York police source.
One of the dead was the shooter, the source said, adding that there was no apparent link to terrorism.
From NBC New York:
Police say at least two people were shot outside the Empire State Building Friday morning.
Authorities said emergency personnel received a call about the shooting at Fifth Avenue and 34th Street just after 9 a.m.
The circumstances of the shooting weren't immediately clear. The conditions of the people shot also weren't known.
At least one person was seen being taken away in a stretcher.
And from Fox NY:
There are reports of multiple people shot outside the Empire State Building. FOX 5 News has learned that at least three people have been shot. The scene is chaotic as people make their way to work in the heavily trafficked area. One person is in police custody. FOX 5 News and SkyFoxHD are headed to the scene. MyFoxNY.com is updating this story.
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I dunno, never been there. I just thought that part of the article was eeery.
Well, visit, it's the Capital of Western Civilization after all. But be on your guard....
Love hath no fury than a scorned lover
Please god, let it be Blankfein, Corzine, or Dimon.
This is only news because it happened where the white people hang out
What difference does it make if you are carrying a gun or not? If somebody wants to shoot you, they will and you couldn't react fast enough. This is the trouble with having easier access to firearms in the US (whether from another state or not), the country as a whole has the potential for absolute chaos. I wonder how the gunman obtained his firearm, from a corner shop?
mrfreeman
You know not what you speak of, check the crime stats in the states w/CCW permits, compared to the Blue Zone.
Do some reading on stats before you pop off.
Reading's a bad idea, DosZap. It might expose you to some facts.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
mrfreeman: The name's Francis Soyer, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.
Dr. Engali: Ooooooh.
mrfreeman: You just made the list, buddy. And I don't like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you.
NYPD Sergeant Hulka: Lighten up, Francis.
Yes, he obtained it from a "corner shop", together with his Marmite, baked beans, packet of "crisps", and Silk Cut fags. /SARC
Good Lord. Do I need to send you some links to stories where armed citizens prevented crimes themselves or do you think you can manage to do a google search?
You do realize the irony of your statement is that your avatar is Gordon Freeman from the Half Life series, and most of the game involves blowing up and shooting things with everything from pistol to a missile launcher.
Also in the game, Gordon is fighting against a facist dictatorship police state in which the population are imprisioned into districts and unarmed, and bullied by a nazi style police force called the Combine.
You sir, are no Gordon "the last free man" Freeman.
The difference is if the perp. misses you can respond. MOREOVER, there would be 1,345 other guns pointed at you if act a fool.
mrfreeman, you are correct. Crimes should be outlawed. It should be illegal and most importantly immoral to kill people, guns or no guns.
pretty defeatist attitude, what are we supposed to do then, simply acknowledge that we are at the mercy of every gun totting criminal who we may cross paths with? there is nothing to be done about it, is that it? rely on law enforcement to keep us safe when that isn't even their job in the first place? all the big brother tech in the world can't get the police to you quick enough to save your ass if somebody decides to try to punch your ticket...
what difference does it make if you carry a gun or not?
it makes all the difference, it gives you a fighting chance at saving yourself, somebody you care about or the stranger you never meet who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, just like you. but then again, to take action in such a situation requires a certain amount of willingness to take personal responsibility for your own, and others safety...
and that is something, that a gather from your comment, you would rather not be burdened with.
You obviously have never been shot at. When I was, I reacted instinctively and it saved my life.
"I may not like being shot at but when I do... I shoot back." The Most Interesting Victim in the World
it's called deterrent. Kind of like Iran wanting a nuclear weapon. Who can blame them?
ZH beats NYT by 14 minutes
Thats how its done, san.
Love that Chcago tribune article. At bottom of story, next up, BREAKING NEWS eating egg yokes as dangerous as smoking. you can't make up better irony than that
there were 19 shot on the south side of chicago last night.. oh chopper cam..where are you? oh forget it.
That precrime shit doesn't seem to be working out for you Bloomberg. Maybe you should stop wasting peoples tax money.
Could it be One of the government agencies (CIA for example) creating fear and panic in the population in order to get citizens agreement for more police action and lockdown in cities in preparation for the coming civil unrest?
Or, could it be that US citizens increasingly are subconsciously acting out societal psychosis that comes from denial?
could just as well be someone who cracked from economic pressure... I have long expected this kind of thing to become more common as people get more desperate
Bah. Private sector is doing fine. Stop listening to those nattering naybobs of negativity.
[What?!? Seriously? I have to use /sarc? Jeebus...]
i went to the empire state building a couple of months ago, definitely not worth getting shot over.
Trouble's afoot, gents. I am blocks away from there in fact my company has offices on the 15th floor.
Story in local press: disgruntled employee of a Walgreen's pharmacy at street level.
7 shots fired, 10 injured two killed. At least one dead was a bystander, but who isn't? Gunmen shot and killed that's the other EDIT: NOT GUNMAN. Girl says he died with "some kind of red helmet in his hand", audio on the scene in the comments thread, someone get this before it goes POOF:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/aug/24/empire-state-bu...
Rumors of a bomb in time square from my park ave building foyer security guy. Rumors only. however all security companies have a network with law enforcement and fire drills recently (last year ago) mention riots and civil disorder in their "in case of..." disclaimer. Recently they started showing us where the building fire tower was located and building fire towers have been written back into building codes recently.
The 7-to-Midtown train in and out were shut down since 9am. My commute. Excuse: stalled vehicle. I rerouted myself and grabbed the E at CitiBank. I've seen this before, the city takes limited steps to lockdown.
[I'm updating on the fly]
7 shots fired.
GET THIS AUDIO ZH BEFORE IT GOES POOF!!!!
EDIT 10:42am >>> OK here is the dope from my security guy at 2 Park Ave, who talks to the ESB security guy. Apparently my guy walked by there this morn and there was a very angry and violent gent pounding on cars outside ESB out on the street. My guy kept walking on to 2 Park. He said that then his guy at ESB - another "guard", but really they are more like a theater ushers - called him to say that there is a big fight outside. My guy says that there are lots of underground clubs sprouting up in the area. oh man, I can believe it, I have a Korean buddy who operated a downstairs club in K Town a few blocks away, it was behind the facade of a Korean restaurant. Anyway my guy reports seeing men come up out of clubs at all hours, raging.
So I'm calling NOT A TERRORIST CONSPIRACY, NOT A DISGRUNTLED WORKER.
PAF calls it BATH SALTS, BITCHEZ! The hush hush would thus be old style NYC hush, ssshhhh this is a good neighborhood. A ZHer below mentions the ESB IPO below and I doubt this would be good for it.
Apparently, this was an extended club fight that turned very very bad. Where were the cops on a Friday morning? Oh that's right. PENSION TROUBLES!!! The only disgruntled workers were the COPS who didn't SHUT IT DOWN.
NEW YORK CITY, THANK GOD YOU'RE BACK. I'VE MISSED YOU SO!
Thank you for the news link.
You're welcome, there is nothing cooler than being close to the action and throughputting all the stories, no filters applied.
NO BOMB in Times Square, just precautionary measures. They have drills for all this and always go into a security mode.
WHOA, wait a second, roll back my bath salts call:
Yikes! "Falling Down"! A quarrel over money-- an old-fashioned freak-out.
Local TV says he worked for a womens apparel company. TITS are so relevant right now!!!
Was he wanting a vest with tits on it?
that's why I advocate smoking pot. Nobody ever smokes a blunt and then goes and attacks people or goes on a shooting spree. Worst case scenario...they attack a bag of Doritos and zone out to Dark Side of the Moon.
I'll give you a plus for the humor...........attack a bag of Fatritos.......... but had to junk you for trying to be serious. weed if consumed before you have completed your education contributes to your general stupidity
"I am dedicating this week to the victims of Aurora, Colorado Cinemark Theater mass murders by exposing the insanity of “Gun Free Zones” and calling ALL elected officials, opinion leaders, celebrities, and businesses who support the insanity of gun control exactly what they are… accomplices to mass murder!
I know that sounds harsh, but someone has to speak up loud enough to be heard over the cries from those who perpetuate the unilateral disarmament of responsible citizens, giving criminals, terrorists, and the deranged ZERO resistance to carry out their assaults, rapes, murders and massacres.
Here is the leader of the Gun Grabbers Insane Asylum and mass murder accomplice, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg suggesting that Cops should go on strike until Americans give up their guns! Not only is he insane to think that Americans giving up guns would make us all safer, he is even more nuts to think that the Cops believe Bloomberg’s line of BS. Cops confiscated over 4000 guns from criminals in Bloomberg’s Gun Free City last year alone!
It is INSANITY to believe that more gun control will make us safer.
Criminals, terrorists, and the deranged DO NOT follow gun control laws. Never have and never will.
Watch this nut case, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg reveal how crazy he really is… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R4tsZ3cxfQ
Really Michael? New York has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, making New York City one of the happiest hunting grounds in the world for criminals to attack defenseless victims. You can’t even keep your own city safe after denying your citizens the right to carry a concealed handgun. You have to be absolutely insane to suggest that the rest of the country follow your dismal lead and give up their ability to defend themselves. You are even more out of touch with reality to think that Cops are as crazy as you are!
Sane Americans, even non gun-owning Americans are no longer buying the anti-gun BS coming out of the usual suspects in Washington DC, New York City, Chicago, San Francisco and the other cities where citizens have been stripped of their ability to defend themselves.
Anyone can see, due to so many real world examples readily available on the Internet, that when you have an armed, trained, responsible citizen in a public place EVERYONE IS SAFER and such murderous rampages as have occurred countless times in “Gun Free Zones” just can’t happen.
The answer is to arm and train our responsible citizens
here are just a couple examples of hundreds of news videos that prove responsible, armed citizens make us safer and gun grabbing elected official like Michael Bloomberg are insane.
These news videos didn’t get national coverage because a responsible, armed, trained citizen was present and took care of the threat immediately. As a result it was a “non story” for the national media. No blood, no tears, no wailing families who lost loved ones, no reason for reporters to look sad and reflective as they describe the carnage as many ways as they possible can for days and days, while playing the scene of the mass murder over and over and over again.
Nope, there was no tragedy here. Just one responsible citizen with a gun taking care of a social problem and saving everyone around him BECAUSE HE WAS ARMED!
Make sure EVERYONE sees this… http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2012/07/25/front-sight-blog-because-americans-and-cops-arent-insane-like-bloomberg/
and this http://youtu.be/OpR5oMMuE38
and this http://youtu.be/YTct7OB_n78 and so many other examples...
Politicians, city officials and businesses who support “Gun Free Zones” are killing us with their lunacy and have blood on their hands with each murderous rampage that occurs in their fallacious “Gun Free Zones.”
Albert Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Well let’s ask our elected officials, opinion leaders, the news media, and those businesses who support the insanity of gun control and “Gun Free Zones” how many more Americans are they willing to kill by continuing to disarm responsible, trained citizens WHO CAN STOP a deranged gunman BEFORE he can massacre disarmed and helpless citizens?
How many MORE times are our elected officials going to pass gun control laws, enforce “Gun Free Zones” or consider signing an Arms Treaty to circumvent our cherished Second Amendment and expect a different result than what we received at the midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises?
It is INSANITY to believe that more gun control will make us safer.
Criminals, terrorists, and the deranged DO NOT follow gun control laws. Never have and never will.
Any politician, opinion leader, news pundit, or business owner who thinks otherwise is the poster child for Albert Einstein’s definition of insanity.
And while you are at it, ask the 50 or more who were wounded and the hundreds who feared for their lives in that “Gun Free Zone” theatre if they would have liked to have had a gun of their own to protect themselves and those around them when a madman walked right in and started shooting?
NOBODY could stop him, because there wasn’t another gun, a LIFE SAVING GUN, in that theatre!
Ask your elected officials, opinion leaders, the news media, and those businesses who support the insanity of gun control and “Gun Free Zones” when they are going to wake up, get smart, look at the data, look at the statistics, look in the mirror and realize they are WRONG… DEAD WRONG about guns?
When are they going to admit to themselves that they are KILLING Americans with ignorance and gun control schemes?
We still have a choice in America. We can either remain free and safe by throwing out our insane, elected officials who continue to support gun control in spite of all evidence that it is a dismal failure or we can sit on our hands, doing nothing and watch another criminal or nut case who could care less about gun control laws and “Gun Free Zones” kill another group of helpless, disarmed victims.
We still have a choice in America. We can refuse to support businesses that enforce the insanity of “Gun Free Zones” and throw our support to the those businesses that recognize everyone is safer if responsible, trained employees and customers alike are allowed to carry a concealed weapon to protect themselves from those who attempt to terrorize and murder.
You still have a choice in America. Exercise your choice and make sure everyone you know sees this e-mail blog and encourage each person you know to send it to everyone they know.
article in full: http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2012/07/25/front-sight-blog-because-americans-and-cops-arent-insane-like-bloomberg/
A drone strike killed 18 in Pakistan yesterday. There was no skycam coverage.
Of course there was! But it's going straight-to-Redbox.
So, bearish on Empire State Realty Trust IPO?
That Al Weiner is really trying to torpedo the IPO.
Frustration kills. Anomie can lead to killing. Put upon and ripped as well. Killing is cool as an attitude, fosters killing.
And guns make the killing possible.
"A witness told CNN's Rose Arce that the gunman ran after and shot a man in the head. An unarmed guard chased the gunman away, the witness told Arce."
Unarmed guards are effective at chasing away crazed gunmen. We should have more unarmed guards.
Just imagine if someone there was able to defend themselves, legally, with thier own gun. But noooooooooooooooo...we gotta rely on the fat Irish NYPD for everything.
Another mass shooting courtesy of our psychotropic drug culture.
If you have a problem, shoot somebody. It's The American Way.
look we all know it was the tea party
how ? because it helps our lord of golf and unemployment...
oh, and boooooosh
I thought guns weren't allowed in NYC.
Sorry for the sarc after such a terrible event but it was welling up inside.
SOLUTION FOR TINKY: Law which states that anyone "carrying" must display a badge stating so ... and ... anyone "not carrying" must display a badge stating so ... Then at the end of one year, let's see how many fewer "not carrying" badges are still around ... If you do not want to own a weapon, fine! ... BUT DON'T YOU F__KING DARE TELL ME THAT I CANNOT OWN A WEAPON!!!!!
Amen!
Moron NYC Mayor Bloomberg has the toughest gun laws in the country. Lot of good gun laws did to prevent this. If only we could get psychos to obey the gun laws.
Or maybe the guns laws worked somewhat and prevented the idiot from buying a gun with a large clip and automatic firing capability.
Not Clip... MAGAZINE. *SLAPS... so you remember this.
Auto is class three or "SEMI-Auto" *Slaps...
It does not matter if bad guy had a derringer or a SAW. The Police at least took him out pernamently.
It would have been MUCH faster for the PEOPLE to take HIM out in the first moments when Bad guy started shooting. But no, this is the world Boombomm made and that is what he has to live with.
And Magazine capacity matters not. I carry 5 times 9 rounds and can go through that in a very short time. Equal to anyone using only one or two magazinges of equal or greater number.
Shot Placement is what matters when your ass is on the line against the Bad guy, or Bad guys (Plural)
I like the view from the Chopper
Random thought.....
I'm at work right now and cant do it, but, It would be interesting to pull up a list of companies with the name "Empire" in them and see what their stock did when this news hit. I'm thinking of the automated algo's that read and react to news headlines.
Probably tea party member
</sarc>
That's impossible!
WTF He can't shoot people!
Guns are illegal in NYC!!!
Enought said about dysfunctional individuals with guns... so.... peace be with those that passed.
bet that the gunman killed one person and the cops shot 9 people.
Bloomberg just said they (cops) were defending themselves and acidentally grazed a few innocent bystanders.
Magnificiently done, Boyz n Blu. Biggest gang in the city. And I'm not just talking waistbands.
camp NYC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNFFRGz1Qs
there must've been many many paralegals sent to the scene to treat potential wounded !
San Jose, the 10th safest city in US, there was a gang convention lately, which results 7 homicides in 8 days, including one death near my house. How many people were shot to death in last 4 years compared to previous 4 years? I guess CNN won't tell you.
To me the wierdest thing about these type shootings are the odd reactions of the other people in the area. Videos I have seen of recent incidents show:
1. Most people totally unconcerned and going about their business like zombies.
2. About 25% trying to take photos/videos with their cell phones.
3. Others sitting there, practically camped out, or else wandering around aimlessly, watching like its some kind of new reality TV show that might become of interest to them.
4. A few people trying to help victims, but not many.
I would think a "normal" reaction would be to either help people or get the hell out of there.
See this NY Post video (about half way down in their article) for what I'm trying to get at. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/shot_at_empire_state_building_Ycd08ZMPwDQf7r8qSKX3yO
Your # 1 is typical for the NYC natives. Shit happens constantly, and no one has the time to worry about most of it.
#2 and #3 are probably tourists.
#4 is rare no matter where you go or what happens. See how many mall-shoppers run over to help an old lady up after she trips getting off the escalator.
Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer is safe in his DC office complex, alone, in the dark, trying to suck his own dick.
Hope my coffee guy's OK
herr bloomberg better get a handle on 1% on 1% crime.hes one of the .001 %
There seems to be much needless argument over CCW in states like CO and IL. In 2003, CO passed a preemption law that means that CO state gun laws will override those of any municipality within it. IL has no such law or clause within its existing body of law (last I checked). So Chicago can basically ban handguns entirely, but you can walk into a store and buy one outside the city (or county).
Not sure what NYC has, but I'm willing to bet it has no preemption. It is not a friendly place for people who take responsibility for themselves.
NYC is unique in that the State Legislature passed a specifically stricter gun control bill-- the Sullivan Act-- 100 years ago, just for the City. Then, over the years, the rest of NY State got very restrictive gun control as well, but it still isn't as strict as the City restrictions passed by the State. Sort of reverse preemption.
Thanks, mate!
Not sure what NYC has
If you have a NYS handgun license and/or CCW, getting it recognized in NYC is generally pretty simple paperwork. (Technically, the handgun licenses are given at the county level, though.)
Getting that initial CCW takes some effort. Handgun licenses themselves are relatively easy--just pass a safety course. But that doesn't give legal right to pack--you just get to own a handgun for home protection and can carry it (in a case) to ranges to practice.
It's not too hard to get whatever they call the "sporting" license for rifles/shotguns in NYC. You can buy those elsewhere in the state over a counter provided you pass the FBI instant-check, and sometimes the gun-shop owners make you come back the next day.
Depressions are always hard on people, especially the Middle Class which is getting squashed.
I wonder how many of the victims shot on the street were actually shot by the cops?
On another note, has anybody noticed how all anti-gun people are State worshipping bootlicks who desparately need to project a messianic quality onto public servants? For them it's "all and unlimited power to the cops and the government, because I trust them with my life". They're perfectly comfortable with militarized police and even with the military performing police funcitons. The thought of taking personal responsiblity for their own self defense makes them ill.
I wonder how the wives/girlfriends of these guys feel knowing that their husband would rather let them be raped, and call the cops afterwards to clean up the mess (if they survive) than to actually shoot the perpatrator before damage is done.
once the Road Wars start, the beta males will be eaten. At the feast, all the surplus females freed up will be doled out among the face collander wearers.
I don't think my wife is gonna let me wear a collander for a hat, let alone bring home an extra female. :-(
Ugh. Damn, boy, I never wanted to hear about your masturbation fantasies.
It's looking like most, if not all, of the innocent bystanders were shot by police.
Somewhere back in the comments, a Tinky little minded trollglodyte insisted that it was the TRAINING of the cops that made them superior. To witless:
"Cops are TRAINED to deal with such situations, in blinding contrast to gun-toting private citizens."
Fab training there Dewdles.