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Art Cashin Remembers 9/11
Via UBS' Art Cashin,
A Few Personal Comments – A few years back the "New Yorker" magazine ran a whimsical cover showing how “egotistical” New Yorkers might conceive a map of the United States. Satirically it depicted the nation, with three-quarters of its focus on the island of Manhattan. Ironically, after the atrocity on September 11th, the nation’s heart, its concern, its generosity is disproportionately focused on New York in almost the same manner.
Similarly, in each of our lives, the picture we view of the world around us would surely have had us as the dominant feature of the canvas. Yet after the tragedy of that Tuesday, with its image of victims and heroes, of smoke and tears; none of us shall see ourselves so large again. There will be room in that picture for others – many others.
Valuing language and the words that give it shape, meaning and impact, I have always been fascinated by that special group who once wrote for the aforementioned "New Yorker" – James Thurber, Dorothy Parker, Robert Benchley, Alexander Woolcott and E.B. White and others. In simpler times (how foolish! Almost any time was simpler, safer, more secure)...let me start again.....my love for the writers that Harold Ross brought to the Golden Age of the New Yorker (and thus to the legendary "Algonquin Table") was to the comedic/satiric group. The events of 9-11 led me back to E.B. White.
He was terrific, but given my satiric leaning I only loved or, at least remember three things about White – his marvelous book on writing style, his caption for a legendary New Yorker cartoon in which an obstinate kid, responding to his mom's explanation that what's on his plate is "broccoli, dear" says – "I say it's spinach and I say – the hell with it!", and – of course – his short story called "The Hour of Letdown" in which a computer built to play chess against a human, stops after the event to have a drink. (I'm not sure why I love that story.)
Nonetheless, the atrocity on September 11th recalled another E.B. White essay. It was (I recall) written over 50 years ago, back when the UN was moving into Manhattan from its early life in "Lake Success" on Long Island.
Much of White's essay, written over a half century ago is filled with meaning and moment this day. It has recently been republished as "Here is New York", if you care to see more. Here are some of the things that bridge generations:
"The subtlest change in New York is something people don't much speak about that is in everyone's mind. The city, for the first time in its long history is destructible. A single flight of planes no bigger than a wedge of geese can quickly end this island fantasy, burn the towers, crumble the bridges, turn the underground passages into lethal chambers, cremate the millions. The intimation of mortality is part of New York now; in the sound of jets overhead, in the black headlines of the latest edition."
"All dwellers in cities must live with the stubborn fact of annihilation; in New York the fact is more concentrated because of the concentration of the city itself, and because, of all targets, New York has a certain clear priority. In the mind of whatever perverted dreamer might loose the lightning, New York must hold a steady, irresistible charm."
"....New York is not a capital city – it is not a national capital or a state capital. But it is by way of becoming the capital of the world...."
"....Once again the city will absorb, almost without showing any sign of it, a congress of visitors. It has already shown itself capable of stashing away the United Nations – a great many of the delegates have been around town during the past couple of years..."
"This race – the race between the destroying planes and the struggling Parliament of Man – it sticks in all our heads." "The city at last perfectly illustrates both the universal dilemma and the general solution, this riddle in steel and stone that is at once the perfect target and the perfect demonstration of nonviolence, of racial brotherhood, this lofty target, scraping the skies and meeting the destroying planes halfway, home of all people and all nations. Capital of everything, housing those deliberations by which the planes were to be stayed and their errand forestalled."
Thank you, Mr. White! (Mr. White earlier in the essay noted that New York and New Yorkers – and all Americans – do good, do what they do, and have traditionally defied logic and their enemies by not only surviving but actually thriving. And all that was true even a half century ago.)
A More Personal Thought – Many of us got out that Tuesday walking through streets onto which ash, smoke and business envelopes fell snow-like, blocking both your view and your breathing. Yet when a stranger was met, they were invited to join the convoy and offered a spare wet cloth (carried in pockets) through which to breath as they walked. When we reached the East River (Brooklyn side of Manhattan), there was a volunteer group of tugboats, fishing boats and mini-ferries that looked like the evacuation of Dunkirk. No charge. No money. Just – "May I help you!" No one got anyone's name. No thank you cards will be sent. But Americans – even New York Americans – who freely give to strangers but argue with neighbors were suddenly one group.
In the days since, as we wander via new strange ways back to Wall Street, we all internalize the survivor’s quandary. We are lucky to be alive – but why us.
As I noted on TV – none of us headed back to re-open the markets with relish or avarice. The President, the Governor, the Mayor and all officials asked that the markets re-open to provide a means for the economy to work – to unclog an artery.
Day after day, traders, clerks and the thousands of folks who support them walked to work. No spring in their step. Resolute to do their job, they are civil but somber. As they pass checkpoints, they say "thank you" to the policemen, firemen, and National Guardsmen who may have lost brothers saving us and some of our friends.
Ironically, the only smiles you see in Wall Street are on the photocopied photos of the missing that family and friends have taped to walls, mailboxes and lampposts. It may take a long time for smiles to naturally return to Wall Street. It may take a long while to find those criminals who took our smiles and our friends. But, we will have patience.
As our President said – "We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail!"
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Amen.
RIP AS, drinks are on me tonight in your honor.
where and when?
9/11 was an inside job. We only have ourselves to fear.
CHANGE YES WE CAN! The ponzi continuum strikes back.
9/11: As It Began - http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/09/911-as-it-began.html
As for the truth behind 9/11, I'm the only one telling the truth:
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/09/russia-was-behind-911.html
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-west-nile-mystery-sadda...
Unfortunately, no one can handle the truth.
Many people can handle the truth. You can't handle the truth. You have the word truth in your handle and your blog, curious then that it contanins anything but. "WHEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH COMES, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH; FOR HE WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY, BUT WHATEVER HE HEARS HE WILL SPEAK, AND HE WILL DECLARE TO YOU THE THINGS THAT ARE TO COME." (JOHN 16:12) Good stuff, i see now that the Russians did it and you are not pretentious at all or anything like that.
Enjoy your Leftist delusion while it lasts...
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/09/navy-russian-warships-displayed-dnc-veterans-tribute-091112/
911 was not an inside job.
it's lucrative MIC aftermath however was....
I never think about "The Terrorists™" on September 11th.
For me, 911 marks the day that America tipped over into "amerika".
...less Pearl Harbor, than the Reichstag Fire of the 21st century
As our President said – "We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail!"
Better convene a fresh 9/11 commission with fewer Depublicrat politicians on it ... maybe a jury of randomly selected citizens instead.
Because it ALREADY FAILED, big time, and poisoned the well with lies while the guilty went free.
Cover ups. Lies. Prevarication. A bunch of BS. That's all we've gotten from the government's official version of the event.
It would not come as a shock to find out these guys were somehow involved: http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/5695799374/
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9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out
This is the most scientific and compelling 9/11 documentary film to date, containing vital information that demands action from all of us. We can no longer afford to ignore the World Trade Center evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg&list=UUL-c_zvZ3lhlU7NU1ikxgmQ&index=0&feature=plcp
"Better convene a fresh 9/11 commission..."
So he can ire, alter, and ail ?
"The Bank of New York, the Fed and 9/11", marks the anniversary of 9/11 by shedding light on financial transactions involving hundreds of billions of dollars of covert securities secretly cleared by the Fed in the aftermath of 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqQJJ_ehvhI&feature=youtu.be
What's this??? Marketwatch joins 911 truth!!!
Sept. 10, 2012, 10:00 a.m. EDT
The 9/11 Hijackers: Fraud in Official Video Exhibits Uncovered by Expert Panel
NEW YORK, Sept. 10, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- A Panel of 22 researchers into the history of 9/11 has uncovered evidence of fraud in the photographic images of Muslim hijackers prior to boarding the planes on 9/11.
Court exhibits state that leader Mohamed Atta took a commuter flight from Portland, Maine, to connect to AA Flight 11 out of Boston, which hit the North Tower.
The dubious images heighten the mystery of why Atta left Boston, where Flight 11 was to be hijacked, and risked the failure of his entire mission by driving to Portland September 10, staying overnight, and booking a tight connection back to Boston early September 11.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-911-hijackers-fraud-in-official-video-exhibits-uncovered-by-expert-panel-2012-09-10
And if the official story were true, there would be images of these folks boarding the planes. But there isn't.
And where are their names, or fake names, on the passenger lists?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&list=UU7KanHipM5ub3...
I want to feel for my brothers and sisters back home, but what we have allowed to be done in our names since has completely destroyed that.
Today, ask 10 Americans the question:
"Why, exactly, are we fighting this war in Afghanistan, which is the longest war in American history?"
Vietnam 64 - 75 the same question could have been asked then - swap out communism for terrorism it's all semantics with the same ending.
Unlike Vietnam, this question is not being asked by anyone even remotely envolved in the presidential election, candidates, journalists, or voters.
Once again, it is the longest war in American history.
and the NVA is not, according to your government, hiding under every staircase, toddler bed and 7-11 --- sending military anthrax to one political party, punching small circular holes with larger titanium objects of a different shape and making presidents see airplanes on TV before the footage was ever released.
This will not only be the longest war in American History, it will be its last.
a few days ago tip e. canoe posted this link. . . Afghanistan is not a war, but a parasitical occupation by corporate amrka, profitable for them, deadly for everyone else, genocide,
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/02/breaking-afghanistan-americas-to...
people might want to continue to seek deeper truths about amrka, and not rest with what they believe they already "know" - as always, more truth is revealed incrementally, over time. . .
Makes you proud doesn't it. The physical manifestation of our horrible abstract truths
Good to see you Kath
and you DaveyJones, and others here that I respect.
if I do have any "pride" it's in the resistance to the wall of lies that some posters exhibit here.
Always a pleasure to read yours and Davey's posts. Keep-em coming.
It won't be the last war. The federal govt. has already started the war against the American people. That will be the last one.
I've had people tell me recently that the War in Iraq is "over" and Obama ended it. Seriously, no joke.
The country is full of mindless idiots and buffoons.
I don't want to hear the answers anymore. I hate seeing proof of our diminished critical thinking capacity.
i have watched today at CNN that they ran an intreview with the brother of "Muhammed al Zawahiri" from Egypt he was in jail for about 10 years and how he has drafted peace treaty (truce) with teh American Governmen/people?
when will this fucking charade end? They fucking killed the innocent people and they have walked in their funerals! what fucking bullshit is this.. THIS IS A FASCIST ZIONIST FUCKING GOVERNMENT!
Fuck Bush, Fuck Obama and Fuck Romney .. toady i was reading the American Revolution to remind myself what has caused it in the first place
"The American Revolution was the result of a series of social, political, and intellectual transformations in early American society and government, collectively referred to as the American Enlightenment. Americans rejected the oligarchies and aristocracies common in Europe at the time, championing instead the development of republicanism based on the Enlightenment understanding of liberalism. Among the significant results of the revolution was the creation of a democratically-elected representative government responsible to the will of the people"
is fucking history repeating it self all over again? we have finished from creating one enemy in 2001 and now we are moving on to create a new enemy "Iran and China", in 2011 the US Government has spent above 700bn just to break the chinese "Pearl of Strings".
there are many fellow ZHeres who will post evidence that Israel and The US goverment were behind those terror attacks, the new destination is east.
expect more of those flag draped caskets for souljers who really died in vein to serve a filthy, swiny , goddamned corrupt motherfuckers.
RIP not only for those souljers and innocent people in the 911 events and also to the innocent people who got genocided in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Pakistan and worldwide.
may the god bless a womb of women that breeds free men.
Fuck the US Government and most of all FUCK ISRAEL
Israel is but a puppet for the global Luciferian (not jewish) Elite. It is really important that when the people are in the streets with pitchforks, they get pointed in the right direction.
UP FROM ME SMG!
Don't mind the down arrows. You are onto the truth here, and it's very important.
But don't nearly all jews support israel?
Israel will outlive all of you.
Deal with it.
.
hopefully those flag-drapped caskets will prompt other "Americans" to ask that question, and seek truthful answers, before they too volunteer to invade, murder & poison other humans, in their own lands, on behalf of those who now represent this nationstate.
'drone' in our name...
how can 2 planes powderize 3 buildings?
how can the real economy be in peril when empirically it is not?
welcome to the #NWO carnival folks - it wont end until we have a one world government or enough people realize that is the agenda
the truth is no one made it out alive that day - just like in 1913, no plan survives contact with the enemy and liberty cannot prevail in a nation of cowards
my friends, your friends, family .. they died in vain if we do not face the truth of this great crime and false flag event, if we do not confront the real criminals of 911 our tears will not shelter those lost souls
human life is precious - but the enemy clearly sees us as little more than livestock
I swear on the altar of humanity's future undying hatred towards every form of tyranny over the mind of man, i swear i will go down swinging and i will not be manipulated into false choices by peer pressure.
I say it's spinach and I say – the hell with it!
http://sgtreport.com/2012/09/911-explosive-evidence-experts-speak-out/
Centrally Controlled Illusory Perception
When perceived control is based on reality, it is referred to as veridical or actual control; when it is patently not based on reality, it is sometimes referred to as illusory control.
- Ellen Jane Langer
"We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail!"
And then we invaded Iraq...
We must remember that we must not only get the NWO criminals who did this to us, we must also take down their SYSTEM, or the other snakes will fill the slots of those who get caught.
Two pertinent comments of yours in this thread, SMG ... Good to see that somebody is awake! Shame to know that almost all here won't understand them, because they are mesmerised by the puppet show....
Keep rockin' it I-dog. You and SMG deserve this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ
Let that raga drop!
I was there...(Tower 2), as a search and rescue member. Stayed and worked 5 days straight with small cat-naps inbetween. I still have bad dreams, but can't imagine what the families went and still go through.
Thank you.
zzzzzzzzzzz.
No health effects?
No, I wore a respirator at least 75% of my total time there. In fact, I begged others to put one on (I have extensive OSHA and NIOSH safety training), knowing the potential dangers. The responses I received from those I warned ranged from, "I'm fine, thanks for your concern", all the way to. "Fuck that, you're not from NYC are you boy?" Guess which of those range of responses came from the union workers.
Fuck Art Cashin for this...
If he really wants to make a difference, he needs to get on board with the people who want the TRUTH about 911 to be revealed...
Art Cashin is a lifetime paperbug. Decades of creaming peoples investments has shown his true colors. Just go away and and enjoy your millions Art. Then die.
Perfectly said...
The title of the article says "Art Cashin Remembers 9/11"... Well Art... NOBODY is going to remember you (except maybe for being a face on the wallpaper mural that says 'POS sellout')...
Nobody will remember you, confused shitheel;
you are a nobody.
Art, unlike you, has made something of himself.
now back to your miserable, inconsequential existence.
Measuring a man's success by the size of his wallet is an ethnic and religious tradition.
yeah Cheney made something of himself too didn't he? Making something of yourself and making something up about yourself are two different things. Stick to debating facts
Fool. You can't read a *personal* account of an event without triggering the programmed switch. You, my friend, have been dehumanized... you and all the other fools that down vote a *personal* account of a tragic event.
The computer that goes for a drink... think about that for a few minutes.
WTF? That might be the dumbest post I've seen here. Because someone makes an account "personal" he should be free of criticism? Let's say, hypothetically, that I'm nailing your wife... As I parade my exploits in front of your face, you should have the decency to not down vote my description because, after all, my bending her over backwards is merely my personal account.
Congratulations, you just snatched from my claws "the dumbest post I've seen here".
Ah, but you have no right to pass judgment on my post because it was nothing more than my personal account of the feelings that I felt when reading yours.
And that takes us back right on my topic which is the diversion from the original intent of the post. If you think you are playing chess take a step back from the board and see it for what it is: you just another pawn on someone else's board.
Have a good day sir.
Not a day goes by that I don't recognize my role as a pawn on someone else's board. How about you? Your apparant ability to suspend disbelief is what allows you to believe that you are anything other than a pawn.
The ability to recognize that your "I don't recognize" can be read both ways is key; it is an affirmation of the thing and its opposite...
Also notice that "9-11" is a powerful switch that takes most everybody instantly to an alternate reality of their own choice. Try it, turn it on and observe those around you next time you are in a group.
I'll stop here. Enough for me today :)
Of course propaganda is a powerful switch... Both for those who recognize it as propaganda and are therefore repulsed by it and by those who who are mystified by the propaganda itself. I have no interest in supporting "personal accounts" that are little more than an extension of a propaganda campaign, whether they are aware of it or not. And the rejection of the official account is not, in and of itself, an alternate reality. It is simply denying the official alternate reality. I said somewhere else in this thread, what the ultimate truth is (the non-alternate reality, I suppose) while important, is not as important as the mere fact that the story we have been asked to believe is clearly a lie.
I'm in New York today and just got back from the media 'show' adjacent to the World Trade Center. All the corporate media is there along Vesey St. to hammer home the official narrative. I saw Gulianni, Schumer, King, Patakii and Bloomberg preening themselves and surrounded by 'serious' guys with concealed carry and eyes that constantly question whether your camera is a weapon (used properly, yes). We have the beautifully constructed 9/11 Memorial pools that, literally, sets the official narrative in stone.
I saw one fellow (there were many, though not nearly enough) wearing a "9/11 Was An Inside Job" t-shirt, eyes blindfolded with an American flag, standing alone, stoically handing out business cards that read "SEE THE TRUTH" and "www.AE911Truth.org". He was arrested within 20 minutes, cuffed and walked off to be cited for obstruction. He was back within the hour at a new location where he continued his calm vigilance! Many took photos and his cards.
His action versus the mega-phonies and their monster propaganda machine....
"Some people got them a hard road, Ignatius, you'll see."
+1000 Good post.
ANYONE who was involved , is complacent or perpetuates the the 9/11 fairytale is an ACCOMPLICE to MURDER. PERIOD
Yes, and such stankholes should be ostracized from those of us who really care and tirelessly pursue and spread truth.
I'm so sick of all of them. I can't stand it any more. It's way beyond time.
This one is for you, Mr. Pink, dedicated to all of those who perpetuate the official "conspiracy theory":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8u6t_nFufo
"Go straight to hell boy!"
Of all the people that can be asked to comment upon such a sacred event. We get to hear from the drunken buffoon mouthpiece of Wall Street. ZH hits a new low. Good grief
As our President said – "We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail!"
And yet here we are tired of faltering and failing. So very tired.
at least those of us who still care.
writing in Ron Paul when I get my chance.
If voting made any difference you would not be able to do it.
Maybe.
better than just sitting idly by.
+1776
It is my unfounded belief that there are more of us out here than we all know. Just have some balls/guts to do what you think is right (non-violent), spread the word, and gain momentum. Believe in what is right and act. It might just catch on and make a difference.
but what do I know? I'm ok going it alone if I have to. How many write-ins will Paul have? Will we ever know?
there is an entire concentric circle of hell reserved for cashin et al. who still continue to cash in on the murder
Right; Art is making big bucks off of 9/11
(and probably splitting it with the Rothschilds and Soros, right?)
lasvegasdavetroll! about time you got back to clearing all that up for us!
what a bunch of melodramatic horseshit. I don't think they hate us for our freedoms as much as they hate us because of opportunistic jackals like Cashin and his Wall Street/DC buddies
Drill down a level or two to find the Puppet Masters milling about underneath and undetected... For now...
Agreed. The hate comes from having their family members murdered actually. Pretty simple really.
funny how that works.
imagine the levels of "hate" being sown in Afghanistan even now, and Iraq, and all the other places the amrkn MIC currently occupies with mercenaries and volunteers.
they hate us for our freedoms.
I guess that is why our political overlords are so eager to abandon those freedoms.
"War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength ..." (you know the rest).
They also hate us for our nation's wealth, that's why our masters are moving quickly to remove it.
So I guess what you say is that if we didn't drone bomb their dad and uncles then they wouldn't hate us? You mean it ain't a fair trade off that we build them a tin roof schoolhouse and a water well for the village?
Seems pretty clear cut to me. Politicians are you hearing it?
it's my belief that "wedding parties" do not solely consist of "dad and uncles" - and those are the most frequently reported bombings. . .
read up, or don't, but FUCK your "tin roof schoolhouse and water well" fairy tale:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/02/breaking-afghanistan-americas-to...
They Hate US For Our Free-Dumb.
Afghanistan supplies nearly all of Europe's supply. Opium production was immediately protected and increased once we came in.
So much of the world's economy is "underground" now, run by high level criminals.
Like world food, the only effective weapon is to not participate. Grow, trade, share knowledge, labor and skills.
Nutrition is the foundation of education. Feed your body and your mind raw organic information and fuel, free of mental and physical pesticides and misleading government labels
Ever hear Catherine Austin Fitts about the black market?
Don't forget to unscrew that cable from your TV.
As Bush also said just about OBL just six months later, "Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.."
one of the most powerful pieces of evidence really throwing a complete disconnect with the daily bullshit we are fed
ZOG will not let the truth get out to the masses of how it executed 9-11.
The sheeple wont question.
Only few bright minds have exposed and documented this joint CIA/Mossad operation.
Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, that has an IQ of even half the average and is not in complete and total denial, that spends a few days studying the mountain of evidence available on the net, as a jury would do so in a courtroom, knows with absolute certainty that this is fact.
9/11
The American Reichstag fire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
This recent documentary has an ending appropriate to your pseudonym:
A Link was posted earlier as well.
Those with technical backgrounds might especially appreciate the methodology discussed and presented.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rzlb4Zwl74&feature=player_embedded
http://911expertsspeakout.org/index.html
I have been a proud and public member of http://www.ae911truth.org/ since their founding. Just the verifiable facts jack. No supposition, no pontification, no wild eyed theories, just physics and common sense.
People say they are not experts of building construction so they must listen to the experts (read authorities) in order to know what is real or not regarding 9/11.
Well........these are the experts so listen up.
Final failure mode of the steel microstructure was hot corrosion attack via sulfur, causing loss of strength at elevated temperatures.
Where did all the sulfur come from? Fuel?
Why did the metal pool in the basement like lava?
The link below is an unbiased old school metalurgist that worked for the likes of Bethlehem and Latrobe steel. His failure analysis is as solid as I've seen, even he still has unanswered questions.
Form your own opinion.
http://www.georgevandervoort.com/fa_litigation.html
Baltic Dry Index on the way south intersected Apple stock this morning at $666
Any religious conspiracy theorists in the crowd, who could explain the implications of this..???
Does this signal the beginninjg of the end...???
Funny, now that I think about it I'm getting a faint whiff of sulfur... Or maybe it was the eggs I eat last night...
The problem with pointing out any satanic numerology is that you'll always get laughed at...
Why?
Because the numbers are VERY IMPORTANT to the occultists, yet they are not important at all to everyone else...
It's kind of like any 'phobia'... If you don't suffer from the phobia, it's hard for you to imagine the strong reaction some may have to the situation in question...
Hidden in plain sight.
DOW closed on 9/11/09 at the exact same number as it closed on 9/11/2001
9605
Search it
They are very ritualistic satanists. Any survivor of SRA can tell you this, but who would listen?
One does not have to be a religeous conspiracy theorist to understand that historically symbolism has been used as a language of its own. Ask any competent artist.
As for the symbolism of the numbers 666? 666 can also be 18 and can also be 9. For that matter 144,000 (Yes, a biblical reference) can also be 9. Go figure... there are several interpretions of the number 9, but for some it means "human or man".
... and of course we associate 666 with Satan. Odd that it reduces to 9, eh?
And unless you believe in a completely planned world where there is a multigeneration generational force (a hidden hand, per se, maybe holed up un a fortress in Switzerland or moving from Britain to the US to Israel ... as others believe; or ever moving westward until it circles the globe as still others believe) then there is no point thinking about the numbers because they would have to be planned to mean something, eh?
MDB
We expect more from you, especially considering the gravity of the issue. Come back after a few more cocktails.
Our society has been hijacked by sinister scum who think its their divine right to rule over us. And that is the end of it.
Its not greed, its not control - its way worse than that.
The People and the masses as a whole want the comfortable lies...rather than dealing with unpleasant truths.
The truth about 9/11 is bigger then the event itself...becaue it blows the lid right off the whole damn truth about what life is all about as we know it and the meaning of it.
Its unfathomable to think people would do this to other people - and therein lies a huge hurdle for people to mentally get over.
It doesn't even need to be that big of a hurdle, but it is. There are so many pieces to point to... I challenge people to watch the film Fog of War...listen to how callously McNamara can reference the value of a human life. When a military commander can view some percentage of casualties as an acceptable loss to accomplish some stated goal, why does anything stand outside the realm of possibility? There are then quite literally hundreds of available dots to connect... Not pointing to the absolute truth of what happened, but to the absolute absurdity of the version of truth that we have been asked to believe. What the truth could be is important, but not nearly as important as the lie and what the lie means about our existence.
It could be anywhere, most likely
could be any frontier in any hemisphere
in no man's land
great vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8u6t_nFufo
there ain't no asylum here
Did it ever occur to you that the sinister scum (or their ancestors) may have been here Loooooonnnnngggg before modern humans. It may even be that they created modern humans as a slave race to serve them.
There are two real questions;
1. Are the people who currently claim the divine right to rule, through their linked lineage, anything more than simple "posers"?
2. Who is really in control and where are they located? (and I am not talking about the Rothschilds ... I am talking about who gave them direction and aid)
If the occultists rituals weren't very important to them, why would they gather yearly and do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dHhvpHIjM
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The perpetrators of this crime are not people, they are not of Adam, they are the spawn of hell and they call us Goyim.
I remember 911 too and immediately realized it was an inside job. Steel construction buildings simply don't collapse like that especially not if they are constructed to endure sucha impact. Steel was also impregnated with asbestus btw.
Loose Change - Final Cut 2012 (Full Length)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmegwUdJdAI was a bit slower than you, it took watching Blgd.7 drop in its footprint for it to dawn on me.
Sadly, it took me a couple of years... but building 7 was also my starting point. Someone above wrote "hidden in plain sight" - indeed.
Yep. WT7 was the clincher for me. I was suspicious on the day. Like: why didn't either building fall over sideways, yadda yadda, but when I saw WT7 neatly collapse in a perfect demolition I knew something was up. I read Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon, that admittedly has some alarmist shit, but there was just so much going on there.
The truth on this will not be told for 20+ years, maybe more. Look how long it has taken to reveal the Viet Nam stories or the El Salvador/Nicuragua death squad stories. Luckily the families of victims will keep this alive until after the cynical old bastards who planned this are dead.
Especially with the BBC reporting it collapsed 20 minutes before it even collapsed...
Yep. Hole on one side but yet it collapses from the centre. Obviously I'm not as smart as the NIST guys.
why didn't either building fall over sideways
Put in the most basic terms: buildings DON'T fall over sideways. Gravity is pulling DOWN.
If you want a building to fall over sideways, you have to apply a lot of energy to make that happen. It's not as easy as making a tree fall over sideways, because the tree retains its structural integrity when you start hacking at the bottom, but the building won't.
Didn't mean like a tree. I was referring to the buidling(s) completely ending up in neat piles. Thanks for that.
Didn't intend that to sound patronizing....it's just that that's how buildings collapse.
You see it in earthquakes, too. Buildings go "straight down" because the weight of each falling floor starts the next floor down falling...straight down.
I don't believe the "official" 9/11 story myself, but my skepticism has nothing to do with the buildings falling into their own footprints. That's pretty much just how that happens.
I think it's a better question to ask WHY they buildings fell. But regardless of the cause, the most common way for them to fall would be ...straight down.
Your reasoning is flawed because it assumes that there suddenly is nothing holding up any of the floors, all at once. There is no reason for dozens of floors to fail simultaneously unless someone has detonated timed explosives.
If the building had fallen due to fire, then pieces would have slowly started falling wherever the structural damage reached a critical point: the building would have had small pieces fall off from time to time, perhaps until some fairly large chunk or area was damaged enough for very large sections to fall down.
There is NO REASON for the first 60-80 floors to suffer a total collapse like they did, nor is it even feasible for a simple fire to have pulverized everything at once...
Blunder, this is just STUPID. Please go to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth and learn something.
Or better yet, show me ONE--just one--building that behaved as you say.
crickets....
The top of one of the towers was leaning over and FALLING SIDEWAYS, clearly visible--then it disintegrated.
"Straight down" through the building itself is the path of most resistance, defying physics.
(Did you used to call yourself "LondonLad" in another time and place?)
I'm NOT saying the buildings were not demolished. I don't know why they fell, and demolition is a good possibility. I think that should've been clear if you're actually reading my posts.
All I've said is that: buildings tend to fall straight down when they collapse. If it is the case that buildings generally tend to fall down sideways, it's hard to understand how a city could ever remain standing if *any* structure were to collapse due to earthquake or flood or whatever.
I don't *think* you're claiming that buildings tend to fall over sideways, but really, you haven't said much of anything.
A demo-job they did by pulling supports from a high-level floor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prwvj-npt5s&feature=related
That looks similar to some other building collapses I've seen.
Thanks for the clarification, I guess.
No, I am Clashfan. You are referring to controlled demolitions, then, not to collapses? Very different.
I have never been Londonlad, whoever that is. Nothing mysterious about me.
What I've said, in case it isn't clear, is that if a building were to ever collapse, it would look much different than this.
What I've said is that the structure of the buildings, especially the central cores of the two towers, offered much resistance. Collapse without demolition would have looked much different.
Yeah, I get it, you reminded me of someone I knew somewhere else.
I'm far too skeptical to believe your assertion, that's all--a building collapse can be caused by numerous different factors and can cause different results. For sure, you can look at the WTC buildings and say they look like they were imploded by demo-crews.
But given the TINY number of modern steel/concrete buildings that have collapsed in any way OTHER than controlled demo, it's not a very compelling induction. There just isn't much to compare it to. And now, unfortunately, it's hard to imagine finding any way to prove anything after the fact.
My perspective on the events of that day has always been commonsensical. Giuliani starting "cleanup" IMMEDIATELY, the announcement of the collapse of building 7 20 minutes too early, the instant identification of the "hijackers" by the Feds, a doubled insurance payout to a brand new owner of the buildings, etc etc.
There's just no *proof* to be found of anything, though. Weird shit happens all the time, and it's not always the work of man.
Again, show me ONE collapse from some other way, and show me what it looks like.
No proof? How many labs have found nanothermite evidence--even unexploded chips in the rubble? Seen the AE 911 documentary yet? Get back to me when you do, Mr. No Proof.
Yeah, it's such strong evidence they can't submit the report to a peer-reviewed journal, I know. It may well be true, though.
And as I said: there haven't been any collapses of steel/concrete skyscrapers to compare anything to. That's why I can't show you a collapsing building AND why I say your opinion that "the collapse didn't look right" is worthless.
I suspect WTC 7 was imploded. I suspect something very odd was done with the 2 towers. I just don't think your "desired conclusion" is proven. I'm content not to *pretend* to know the answer.
Larry "Pull it" Silverstein on CNBC talking about WTC7...what a sick joke.
Larry Silverstein is part of the zionist crew directly involved in setting up 9-11.
But I thought burning furniture brought down the skyscraper. The joke's on me. And you. And the millions killed and injured in Iraq. And the future generations...
Wall Street has plenty of reasons for smiles, starting with Helicopter Ben
Want to really honor the memories of survivors? Quit with this "golden age of the New Yorker" horseshit, and get to the truth of the matter. Where is your outrage against our government, Cashin? Where is your call for a new investigation? Where is your anger against the last and current administrations?
If you really care, you would offer up evidence regarding this crime.
Any 911 piece that doesn't mention controlled demolition or nanothermite is a fail in my book.
Pieces like this really irritate me. When will ZH get on board w/911 truth? Who are you guys trying to be, the New York Times? WTH?
Like Clinton, Cashin has to stay 'viable within the system.'
So he writes pap ending in a melodramatic quote from Bush.
Waste of good pixels ... spare us your phony hand-wringing Wall Street patriotism.
Hang on a minute...
It may take a long time for smiles to naturally return to Wall Street. It may take a long while to find those criminals who took our smiles and our friends. But, we will have patience.
As our President said – "We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail!"
Do you mean the same president who regularly played host to the Bin Laden family and flew them out of the US ASAP after the attacks?
Do you mean the criminals who supported Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban so long as they were fighting the Russians?
Do you mean the criminals who supported Saddam Hussein so long as he was attacking Iran?
Strawman!
Hardly - I am not trying to support a position in an argument, just pointing out that quoting Bush is somewhat suspect considering how dirty his hands are. Better to quote a member of the emergency services who helped to save people on that day.
As far as the "criminals" comment goes - again, there is a criminality to this that goes deeper than just the people who flew the planes. If there is a resolve to find the criminals and bring them to justice, then shouldn't this also include those who aided and abetted the perpetrators?
Nothing to do with Bush.... it is how you throw up OBL, Taliban, Saddam Hussein while completely ignoring the elephant in the room .... ZOG !
Jimijon America vs. 911
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Hm. The fact that a bunch of idiots really wanted to do this shows "We" failed or they wouldn't have wanted to do it (with half a planet feeling like cheering them on).
In the spirit of the truth, 9/11 should be renamed "Cheney Day". No disrespect for those killed or their families, only contempt for those responsible...
You know I was looking at a photo of one of the planes hitting one of the towers this morning.
I thought to myself that there would be no way I could take an airliner from Boston and fly it all the way to NYC and hit a building dead on with it.
I have no idea what really happened that day but doesn't that seem almost fucking impossible for someone who was not a professional pilot to do?
I talked to my kids this moring about what has happened since on the way to school today. They have never lived in a pre-911 world. I was sad for them.
The terrorists that piloted those planes had been trained at U.S.flight training schools.
Um, and military bases--ALL.
But the planes were likely flown by remote control. The folks who did this left little room for error.
The drones that flew those planes into the towers were supplied by the U. S. Miltary.
Absolutamente, Tuco. Gracias.
For all of you narcassist (nuts) and opportuniists (day traders) that like to throw shit at the old man, go #uck yourselves.
Art Cashin is a cut above all of you #ssholes and represents something that has been lost - plain old fashioned descency.
You don't need a fucking national disaster to be decent.
Something that has been lost? Like decency? Then spell it correctly.
Narcissist.
If he were here, I'd throw shit in his fucking face, and in yours, too.
You'd then get to see how a Jiu Jitsu Sandan would rearrange your face and limbs... And I've been in a real fight club.
Whatever... opportunists (sp again)
There's nothing decent about opportunistically and narcissistically publishing shit and benefiting from this treasonous crime--or about supporting and defending such tripe. Define decency as you like.
People who care pursue the truth.
The rest deserve SHIT.
Son... were you actually in Lower Manhattan on 9/11 and walked home that day? Cashin was simply recounting the day in a way that many of us remember.
Let's leave it in the club.