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At 50x Leverage And 2% Tier 1 Capital, Is SocGen Truly A Paragon Of Balance Sheet Invincibility?

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Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:27 | 1560022 RobotTrader
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SocGen will get bailed out or nationalized, one or the other.

Gold bulls will love it if the ECB or somebody steps up to bail out this monstrosity.

$2,000 will be in the bag.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:48 | 1560066 Lazlo Toth
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Why do you refer to them as "bugs." It seems very intolerant of you.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:49 | 1560070 WestVillageIdiot
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Did he edit the post or did you misread the word "bulls"? 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1560078 Lazlo Toth
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Couldn't tell you as I don't remember that far back.

I think it was an edit as I would have told him that calling them Gold Bulls was bigoted.

If Robo is listening, I liked your earlier photo better.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:12 | 1560124 max2205
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If RoboT likes gold I'd be taking some profits

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 00:40 | 1560658 TruthInSunshine
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SocGen's implosion is going to be epic, because it's going to be part and parcel of the EU implosion.

We get a second round of fireworks this year, and they're going to make July 4th's display look positively tame by comparison.

The EU's colostomy bag has come loose, and people are complaining about the smell, trying to plug it back in.

In their obtuse state, they have failed to realize that the EU has contracted sepsis, and no amount of intraveneous antibiotics this late in the game is going to get the resistant strain of bacteria coursing through its blood under control.

Prognosis negative.


Mon, 08/15/2011 - 04:15 | 1560812 Pay Day Today
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Prognosis negative?  My man, this is surely the time to pour blood and treasure in, to not hold back on any treatment no matter how expensive, how unlikely to succeed, or how likely to kill the patient; all heroic measures must be undertaken!!!

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 22:35 | 1560400 Cursive
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@Lazlo Toth

I don't think you can edit a post after someone has replied to it.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 23:42 | 1560557 Anonymouse
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Love your handle.  You are more than just a general.  You are truly a generalissimo.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:49 | 1560071 Everybodys All ...
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and the French lose the AAA rating in the process.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1560080 WestVillageIdiot
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Still calling any of these countries AAA is like calling Pamela Anderson a virgin. 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:56 | 1560090 indygo55
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Huh? I'm sorry. Did you say they were AAA? We really should redirect some of that CIA money into finding out how they do that.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:55 | 1560086 gwar5
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Thanks Robo, agree wit dat dare. $2000 it is. SocGen probably bailed out.  But should be nationalized, broken up, sold off. 

Until it's fate is decided, that just leaves Germany to deal with the EU and the PIGS. Looks like the end for the EU and EURO.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 21:37 | 1560277 Hugh G Rection
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The dollar will finish a close second.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 22:41 | 1560415 Cursive
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But should be nationalized, broken up, sold off. 

Well, it is the "public" bank.  Irony.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 04:41 | 1560820 falak pema
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What has the french government scratching their heads as elsewhere is the fact that ALL french banks are underleveraged and being taken to the cleaners by the Anglo-saxon HF play. Killing the Euro zone banks is now part of the financial war being waged by the US oligarchs. There is no way that Merkel and Sarkozy can do what BB can do with his own shareholder banks in US who deal in the world reserve currency. The world cannot take out the US financial ponzi as long as BB prints away; as "its our money and YOUR problem" logic, is still operative. All US oligarchs know this.

Whereas the Anglo-saxon financial oligarchy CAN take out the riches of of sovereign EU; now only sovereign in name. As the ECB has no teeth and the EU sovereigns won't give it that power, considering it too risky for each nation state. Divided they fall...as always in front of empires on rampage..even to the gates of hell.

These financial barbarians will rip -off the EU zone, as there is apparently no will to fight in EU. If they do they will only be one step closer to their own subsequent demise. Nowhere to run nowhere to hide, as the USD is programmed to die under its own ponzi deadweight; whether the Euro dies or not.

Its western civilization that is expressing its own death wish. Rising sun of the second revolution says it all...

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:28 | 1560026 machineh
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SocGen's microscopic-equity balance sheet resembles those of Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac in 2008.

How did that work out?

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:33 | 1560032 JW n FL
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can you say Bank run tomorrow!

I wonder if right now the atm machines are not working in over drive due to this story going viral!

here comes the internet switch!

truth in the United States equals Jail or Prison!

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:57 | 1560093 gwar5
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....bank run tomorrow, bitches!



Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:01 | 1560098 indygo55
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there was a blog that said Fox news reported that Bennanke was meeting with European leaders this weekend preparing to bail them out. I clicked on the link and the story was gone. Sorry. Anyone heard about that?

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:50 | 1560211 indygo55
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there was a blog that said Fox news reported that Bennanke was meeting with European leaders this weekend preparing to bail them out. I clicked on the link and the story was gone. Sorry. Anyone heard about that?

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:36 | 1560037 carbonmutant
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NYT is blaming a fictional series of articles in Le Monde entitled “End of the Line for the Euro” because it named real banks, like Société Générale.


Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:41 | 1560048 magpie
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1929 had those articles too ?

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:53 | 1560082 slewie the pi-rat
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yes, but only in the talkies & newsreels;  not in the police gazette

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:30 | 1560039 Manthong
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Gee, if investors run for the exits on the EZ banks, would not it then follow to the average rocket scientist regulator that banning short selling on silver and gold should similarly cause people to stop anything panicy ?

I'll pour another one now.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:38 | 1560042 carbonmutant
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Societe Generale “categorically denies all market rumors,” Emmanuelle Renaudat, a spokeswoman for the French bank said in an interview. She declined to be more specific.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:41 | 1560047 Freewheelin Franklin
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...a number which the bureaucrats at Basel will have no choice but tell the bank must go up.


Eh, Basel smasel. Who listens to them? The French have their gal at the IMF.

Paging Ms Lagarde.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:38 | 1560186 Anton LaVey
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Please excuse my expletives, but this old battleaxe is the most incompetent French Economy Minister ... EVER. And that is saying something!

To think that this old prune is now the head of the IMF, with a pending corruption investigation in France, no less, is IRONY beyond belief!

It's enough to make old cynical me a believer in a random deity. The kind that make people go mad before they crush them forever...

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:46 | 1560059 swissaustrian
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What´s the share of deposits in terms of total liabilities?

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:47 | 1560064 gwar5
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OOooH, My!  50 x leverage, and only 2% Tier 1? 

Yeah, I guess they are insolvent. Reggie Middleton is buying drinks for all ZHers next week.

And that's probably only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to leverage and hidden economic IEDs.

Good for gold.  If the CBs have their sovereign gold leveraged 100:1, this means it could be even more.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 22:17 | 1560347 JW n FL
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Reggie pulled Tyler in on the synthetic short route last week when Reggie's info did not go viral! LOL!!

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1560077 AUD
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assuming SocGen can issue €84 billion in new capital

This is one of the main problems, you can't 'issue' capital, you can only issue debt. It means more leverage not less & will be seen when the share price falls further.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1560079 chump666
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Societe General... but German banks are notoriously overleverged and underfunded risk engines.  So you got a two way sexual tension with Merkel and Sarkozy funded by French/German bank paranoia.

Major market selling on the horizon again.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:54 | 1560085 WestVillageIdiot
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Right now the stock futures are up and gold and silver are down.  It's a crazy world.  I guess that makes it exciting.  Just think how bored we would all be if this stuff was rational. 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:20 | 1560145 chump666
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funny thing, if you see the irrational pattern, you can live with it, deal with and except it.  The problem is over half of the investment community with government thrown in for good measure and CB's sprinkled on-top...are all in denial; this bizarre Keynesian fantasy land crap is unfolding.

I am locking in some major selling within a week...hopefully, I gotta eat and buy tequila, or some good vodka

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:54 | 1560084 anynonmous
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GDP better than expected

so it is rally time

but make sure to ignore the

  GDP deflater

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:25 | 1560151 chump666
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I give the Japan conjob maybe three mths, then it has a fiscal meltdown like it has never seen before.  It will need a massive bailout, by that stage China implodes and can't help. US offers help to via the IMF, but needs to raise the debt ceiling again (2011).  Begining of the US fiscal meltdown.

There you go, Peyote and crystal balls

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 21:08 | 1560236 anynonmous
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read this



say what we will about Pimpco

El Er has been a straight shooter since his 'use  the ATM ASAP' comment on CNBS in 2008

be afraid

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 21:32 | 1560269 New_Meat
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Mo b good.  Billy, indicates the "approach"

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:55 | 1560087 zorba THE GREEK
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France is the biggest Ponzi in the EU. Of course their largest bank is insolvent.

Just what a bunch of snooty people deserve.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:42 | 1560193 Anton LaVey
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Ah, yes, another intervention by another know-nothing.

I'll let you know, kind sir, that BNP is the biggest French banck BY FAR. SG is just a distant second (or maybe even third).

Oh, and just in case you think 'snooty' France will get what it deserves, I have two words for you: 'Germany' and 'UK'. If you think sh****y SocGen is a disaster, just wait until you see the mess Barclays, HSBC and others will leave behind (Deutsche Bank anyone?).

'Nuff said.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 00:44 | 1560660 TruthInSunshine
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If SocGen has sepsis, and it surely does, HSBC has ebola and is bleeding from the anus and eye sockets.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 14:50 | 1566355 Anton LaVey
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Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:03 | 1560104 Hugh G Rection
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Of course French Banks are insolvent. The US still has the receipts for the toxic derivatives.


Sun, 08/14/2011 - 22:30 | 1560386 Bay of Pigs
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But didn't Kudlow said they were all doing just fine last week on the BlowHorn?

50X? Ha ha....no doubt Larry.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:11 | 1560119 pan
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It's not looking good for the paper bugs.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:13 | 1560123 Withdrawn Sanction
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Lehman was 40:1 (2.5%), as I recall, before it imploded--assuming you could have believed its capital numbers any better than SocGen's.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:15 | 1560128 buzzsaw99
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As long as nobody looks at the asset side of the balance sheet too closely everything will be fine.

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