Attention Finally Turns To The Two Ultimate Backstoppers Of The World: Germany And China

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Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:03 | 1817743 danger close here
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is the super short squeeze still happening? must be those retail shorts huh.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:06 | 1817758 alien-IQ
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I blame the Leprechauns. They're always short.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:10 | 1817778 qussl3
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No wonder they are always looking for that pot'o'gold.

Under a rainbow no less.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 15:06 | 1818261 GenX Investor
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Haven't these damn Wall Street fund managers made up their losses chasing SPX for the month yet???

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 15:33 | 1818375 eureka
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Wall Street is taking a clue from Haliburton (which moved to Dubai) - and will soon move to Shnaghai...

"many to defend their credit risk and sovereign spreads. We expect that if China is indeed confirmed to be the backstopper of Europe through funding the EFSF"

- because the plantation slaves are reversing the old order, taking tha mansion, by becoming the new plantation store owner - i.e. lending to both EU and US, so that their masses can keep buying from the store while getting ever deeper indebted to the store... ensuring their further enslavement, submission and obedience -

yes indeed, the western world is Land Of The Slaves And Home Of The Cowards.

How about growing some:  LET THE BANKS TAKE 100% HAIRCUTS !!!

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:21 | 1817828 Ruffcut
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A billion dollars to china is like a pimple on an elephant. NOt a big deal. you gotta balance the ponzi fairly. That is all it appears to be.

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 12:20 | 1935099 Jonbutterfly
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Such is the schizophrenic nature of the world economic system that US Bank credit ratings are falling while the Dow is on a holiday tear. The system looks good on the outside, but it's hiding a cancer:

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:12 | 1817790 SheepDog-One
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He's right all theyre doing is GUARANTEEING total collapse. 

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:04 | 1817746 alien-IQ
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The irony that the entire capitalists system is dependent on the never ending support (and bailouts) from China and Germany is beyond perfect.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:12 | 1817793 Syrin
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A capitalist system doesn't have bail outs.    You should know better.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:19 | 1817819 NotApplicable
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Some people just can't bring themselves to use the word "Socialism" in a negative context, as it upsets their programming.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:35 | 1817876 alien-IQ
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and some people don't know the difference between Socialism and Fascism....The latter being what we have, not socialism.

Let me spell it out real simple:

Socialism = You get your teeth fixed for free.

Fascism = You get your teeth kicked in for nothing.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:04 | 1817748 LawsofPhysics
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How did that phone call go this morning?  cue crickets...

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:23 | 1817837 Unprepared
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Sarkozy: Mister Jiabao, If you do this, a new Marianne of my wife naked twice the size of the Liberty statue will be shipped to Shanghai before the next Chinese new year and will move Quartier Chinois to the 1st Arrondissement

Berloscuni: And consider yourself invited to the next Bunga Bunga meeting

Jiabao: Pha Cough

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:05 | 1817751 SheepDog-One
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'Next big disappointment'? 

Nah that cant be! Unicorns jumping over glitter rainbows crapping piles of gold dubloons, etc...

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:11 | 1817782 Executioner
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  Yes SDO...  As someone said

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:05 | 1817753 Executioner
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I know that the market is not aligned with fundaments, but can someone please explain to me, how this 50% cut on greece debt may be a good thing for banks?
I mean a half default is supposed to put debt holders in bad sheets, doesn't it?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:13 | 1817799 Syrin
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Exactly.   I guess the euphoria is that it's not the 60-80% (yet) some predicted.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:22 | 1817832 Executioner
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Syrin, I can hardly believe that those guys made up all this just for a 3 to 4 day ramp job. I mean, since they are puppets, why is that bankers ordered such thing? Aren't US, French and German banks/bankers the major holders of greek debt? And as you have mentioned, what about all those CDS stading out in the middle of nowhere?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 15:05 | 1818256 Syrin
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Oh, I totally agree.   There really isn't a good rational explanation.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:06 | 1817756 user2011
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Doesn't matter how many backstoppers there are.  US bankers are betting against the EUROZone.  They will even wage a war to do it. 


Look at who holds those CDS ?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:06 | 1817757 PaperBear
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Dr. Abuzaid Omar Dorda,the senior Libyan official, a former United Nations ambassador for Libya

currently being held and tortured by NTC members, his life being in grave danger.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:06 | 1817761 unionbroker
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tell me again why it is in China's interest to bail out the Europeans.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:12 | 1817788 homersimpson
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Think of China's interest in Europe akin to you loaning your friend $20k to keep his business afloat for another few months. Unfortunately, you already floated him 500k to start up the business. If the business goes under, you see none of your original 500k investment back. If you lend him the $20k, you might lose that too, so you grit your teeth and hope that things magically get better so you can get your original investment back one day.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:22 | 1817834 jcaz
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One problem, tho-  while you were lending him $500K,  you took it from a phony pile of $1M real estate holdings you created.....  Now, your friend wants $20K. and you've only got $50K real money.....  So now you REALLY want that $500K back, but your house of cards is quickly folding under.....  You might be down to $10K yourself soon, so you're in a trap- loan out the $20K, with a hope of seeing the $500K, or keep the $20K and perpetuate the fraud a little bit longer?


Thermonuclear is one idea.....

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:28 | 1817852 homersimpson
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My apologies for not adding more realism to my answer but you are correct..

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:16 | 1817810 FeralSerf
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Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:33 | 1817875 earleflorida
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1.35 billion consumers

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 16:27 | 1818585 EvlTheCat
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Sorry earleflorida, China has 95 million consumers, and growing, in Brazil and all the natural resources the country can provide locked up. Europe has no chance of competing with that. China is systematically wiping out Brazil's manufacturing sector, and making them dependent on cheap imports. Brazil is exporting like crazy to China and has literally become part of China's hedge.

China is buying time in Europe to try, and turn it's shit EU investments into gold, before it permanently moves on to greener pastures. I.E. South America.

I can't comment if it is because China presumes they will be the next reserve currency or not. However, that is some individuals speculation.

Now, if China can pull off a soft landing, like they hope, Brazil will be the "New America". However, if they don't and go for the hard landing, Brazil is going to get screwed. Brazil is all in China. China is NOT all in Brazil. All the people buying into Brazil are true ballsy front runners, if you ask me.

The Brazilian people will be the key. The government will do anything China asks as long as the money flows. The people will only follow if they think they will get something out of it. I.E. Jobs, easy credit, entitlements. Fraud is rampant in Brazil. Their economic infrastructure is a joke. Most middle class Brazilians have spent their entire lives dodging taxes. They are not scared of their government and do not fear jail, like people in America. Anyone and everyone can be bought off.

My opinion, of course.

A few interesting articles:’s-ascendency-analysis/

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:35 | 1817882 earleflorida
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2x post :-((

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:09 | 1817765 Protonrick
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But why would anyone now buy a Credit Default Swap if they don't pay up in a "credit event?'

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:18 | 1817815 Executioner
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Yes I am also trying to figure out where the catch is

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:21 | 1817829 JohnG
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Cue expensive lawyers.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:23 | 1817838 NotApplicable
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Because some day in the future, they might actually allow someone to default. So, you'd better get your bets in now to avoid the rush.


Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:08 | 1817767 Shvanztanz
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Is this anything like bank robbers telling the customers to remain calm and finish filling out their deposit slips while they fill duffle bags with cash at top speed with the get away bird on its way to the rendezvous on the roof?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:09 | 1817773 qussl3
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Singapore already forecasting recession.

That little bugger leads and is pretty reliable for Asian growth at least.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:11 | 1817785 socratesplus
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by the end of november two things will have happened:  this eu summit will look as outdated as the july summit is now; and the us supercommittee will be deadlocked.  shorts who live to see another day will have that day in the sun.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:14 | 1817805 SheepDog-One
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Riding along on clouds of Hopium smoke isnt lasting long anymore. 

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:25 | 1817844 jcaz
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LOL- and where were you a month ago?

Ooh- you might make it back to the 200 day moving average today!

Wake up.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:15 | 1817792 vast-dom
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Question: if it was such a slam dunk to run up markets by announcing a 50% haircut, why did French banks not agree to this before?


ANSWER: because any haircut at this point, and the actual %age is moot, is a desperate hail mary play more at market repositioning gambit in order buy time for the Great Unwind. PIIGS will not play nice during next round and that is when longs reaping today will go short tomorrow and/or sideline themselves. Downgrades abound. 


Question: why is copper surging?


ANSWER: because hopium trumps fundamentals (ie reality), until it doesn't. 


Question: why is silver not $52-55?


ANSWER: because COMEX and the big players are scared shitless of reality.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:21 | 1817796 DormRoom
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Of course Germany & China are the world's backstop.


Germany benefitted from the European North-South imbalances.  And China benefitted from the US-China trade imbalances.


If markets were efficient these imbalances wouldn't have grown to a level where they could collapse the entire system.  But they have, and we are here; playing kamikazi financial genga.


The problem is that there are now entrenched social & financial institutions that have grown out from these structural imbalances, so if imbalances are rebalanced, it will likely cause huge social upheavals in these countries.


scar tissues cannot be replaced.



Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:13 | 1817797 Sutton
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Fed should have decreed in '08 that the CDS' shorted  by AIG were not a credit event, thanks for coming.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:18 | 1817814 Liquid Courage
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Heads up Tyler(s):

Been busy but don't think I've seen any ref to the following Forbes article here

Rich Danker, Contributor


 10/26/2011 @ 6:51PM |2,380 views

Recreating A Real Gold Standard

(Linked also at 321Gold, where I first saw it)

A few Highlights:

Nations would settle international payment deficits and surpluses in gold rather than paper-based currencies. This would have the effect, principally on the U.S. as the issuer of two-thirds of world reserves, of removing the debt overhang which has made trade deficits, government overborrowing, and hot money bubbles the way of life.

[Louis E.] Lehrman’s historical model is the international gold standard of 1873-1914, an era of industrial breakthrough, global economic growth, and astounding price stability. As charted by his colleague John Muller, it was the most stable period of U.S. monetary regimes based on the Consumer Price Index.

And, (with a nod to Professor Antal Fekete):

Commercial bills, not government securities, would be discounted and the Fed, like other central banks, would be prohibited from owning sovereign debt (other than short-term revenue anticipation bonds). The asset side of the ledger would consist of gold and liquid, secure non-governmental financial claims. Lehrman calls this Fed policy “scaled to the modest wit of man . . .” and it is a thorough relief from the excess allowed to the central bank today.

Worth a look, no?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 14:02 | 1818017 PaperBear
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“the plan is based on replacing national currencies (the dollar, euro, yen) with the non-national, neutral asset of gold as the world’s reserve money supply.”

Yep, while I hold some shares of Sprott Physical Silver Trust I am also wanting somewhere that I trust to hold my other physical gold/silver that I can have my salary of british pounds turned into more physical gold/silver then use a debit card to spend my physical gold/silver.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 14:42 | 1818150 Liquid Courage
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All of which makes great good sense, of course, but I have to admit my initial enthusiasm on reading this article has pretty much faded to nil after I did a bit more google-snooping.

Not that there's anything wrong with the ideas presented by the estimable Mr. Lehrman et al (which includes some contributions from James Grant) at the Lehrman Institute, but it seems they've been at this for quite a while now and the net result is, ummm ... errrr ... do we have that number ... yes, here it is, it's ZERO ... NADA ... BUPKISS.

The great mass of Homo Ignoramus Economicus has been thoroughly conditioned through their Normalcy Bias to ignore any ramblings about money as too boring and PMs as the ravings of lunatics. And that, unfortunately, goes for the OWS crowd as well. So to all the proud purveyors of the Great Global Graft machine: Thanks a lot Boyz and Gurlz for guaranteeing that when your Global Ponzi does finally fail -- and make no mistake they all fail in the end -- the result will be an epic crash with no-one left standing.

That or a fierce, scary angel comes out of the clouds shooting lightning bolts from his eyes and thunder out his arse and says to the OWS-ers: "You fools ... follow the MONEY ... not that paper crap ... follow the GOLD!" Maybe that'd do it.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:19 | 1817818 hambone
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Ummm...anybody notice the US Treasury market is suddenly droping like a stone and yields shooting through the roof???

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 13:26 | 1817846 jcaz
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China called, they want their money back.... And no, tools, they're not putting it into stocks....

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