As Bank Of America Implodes, Is MBIA A Volkswagen-Like Short Squeeze Candidate?

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Popo's picture

BAC is imploding?  As much as I hate to see it,  it's up today...

SheepDog-One's picture

Did you even bother to read the article?

Tyler Durden's picture

The battle of the short squeezes. Note the speculation that BAC would spike before it implodes. Point being that the MBIA short squeeze will make that of BAC seems like child's play.

SheepDog-One's picture

Which is why shorts are really on my very last frayed nerve these days. Yea shorts are everywhere piling into everything to ensure right when the markets are caving in on themselves, they privide the fuel for yet another short squeeze.

...hey shorts, PISS OFF!

GeneMarchbanks's picture

Everyone and their Mother is short BAC. A reversal? Maybe. Gang rape is on.

spiral_eyes's picture

I'm not short BAC, because I don't give a fuck about doubling my fiat money on betting against stocks Benny & Timmy can magic to infinity, when I could instead put my money into precious metals that are going to go up way more than 100%. 

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez's picture

As you know T. D. BAC is part of owner of the privately held Federal Reserve.  A merger with another syndicate bank is more likely probably along with a run up in BAC stock beforehand.  There is no way in hell they will let it implode for the whole world to see!  "Evil goes to darkness"!

Michael's picture

It's your fault ZH, CNBC hosts are all jumping around like their in a Gorilla Trade commercial with their arms and limbs all flailing around.

That's because they know we only watch their channel on mute now.

There is No Spoon's picture

looks like you may have initiated a bit of covering already

Libertarians for Prosperity's picture



Yep.  This article was released at 2:44.  Look what happened over the next 20 minutes.  

Looking at a minute chart, this stock usually trades ~2k, 3k, 4k shares.  For no reason, suddenly there's 40K and 80K blocks going through.  


Nice one Tyler.  


IQ 145's picture

No kidding? Well, I be damned. Tyler's a market mover. What next?

jdelano's picture

big fan--but really seems like tylers pushing their own book today with the flurry of articles subliminally enticiing you to join them in the short squeeze play, which is really just piggybacking HFT's.  Come on Tylers, no sleeping with the enemy.   

IQ 145's picture

Mkaes perfect sense to me. Somebody ought to pay you for doing this.

myne's picture

Tyler, hyopothetically, how would one best go about naked short selling all the banks to zero - and not get caught?

Project mayhem was all about blowing up the banks and starting afresh. Wouldn't that be a very fitting end game?


SolidSnake961's picture

the short squeeze of VW was during 2008 not 2009

Waffen's picture

Indeed, I wish that ZeroHedge would be a little more selective/conservative in their thread titles.

GeneMarchbanks's picture

Today aside BAC is down rather big recently, no?

Captain Obviousness's picture

zomg if a stock is up in one day that means the company is sound! 

as the article says, it is going to zero or bailout.  that said, i closed my short yesterday because a squeeze does seem imminent, not just in bac but equities as a whole.  this will not end well, but the roller coaster is too nauseating to stick around.

IQ 145's picture

Would the "roller coaster" be less nauseating if you got on the right side of something for a change? Probably so; eh? It;s a public market; you could buy a block of BAC and take advantage of the fact that its Too Big To Fail. Explanatory note; that means, it will not fail.

Captain Obviousness's picture

I didn't know being short BAC for the last 6 months was the wrong side of the trade?  Just looks like it's going higher right now, that's all.  You're probably right it will be bailed out, but I don't want to gamble on a bankrupt company getting bailed out.  Too "nauseating" for me.

piceridu's picture

read before commenting please

IQ 145's picture

closed at $7.31; 9%+overnight two to one margin.bought at 6.98. S&P went off at 1209. It needed a close above 1200;

Captain Obviousness's picture

Congratulations on your day trading and gambling on central bank interventions.  It was over 15 in January.

DeutscheMark's picture

Great news. I bought 100 share at ~ $7, so I will get $100,000 back!

Man I'm such a player.


Belarus's picture

The reason shorts are such weak hands is simply because they are puddy in central bankers hands for the time being. Therefore, shorts, at this juncture, while they don't know it, are longs in disguise. In other words, being short in here is for suckers....

Which gets to ZH's point, and a good one at that, long MBIA is the best way to short BAC if you play such games.

dax's picture

credit wise there is a lot of short in BAC smells tightening on the way this will help the stock as well


ghostfaceinvestah's picture

Why is this site pumping individual stocks now?

Tyler Durden's picture

Zero Hedge has never had a problem with exposing arbitrage opportunities, either to the long, short (chinese fraudcaps) or neutral (ES-risk) spread side. Furthermore, does it say anywhere one should be buying (or selling) MBIA stock. We tend to believe the majority of our readers (with obvious exceptions) can think for themselves.

ghostfaceinvestah's picture

How is this an arbitrage opportunity?  MBIA's exposures go far beyond Cwide securities.


Bold Eagle's picture

Everything is arbitrage opportunity these days. If you hold positions overnight, good luck. I am very grateful to ZH for reporting these low-risk opportunities. Free money 90% of the time.

IQ 145's picture

It's true; he's an ace researcher  and he points out things I wouldn't run across in a million years.

GeneMarchbanks's picture

'We tend to believe the majority of our readers (with obvious exceptions) can think for themselves.'

Boom! That's your mistake right there. They are looking for trades not ideas. Like that sad bitch from UBS today and FOX news.

What_Me_Worry's picture

I'm going to put my whole kids' college fund in MBI OTM calls.  If it loses, I will ground them for being "rogue traders"

Thanks, ZH!

SheepDog-One's picture

Like the SAT score chart, when ZH got rid of CAPTCHA math problems some of the posts have been more Yahoo! Finance level. 

Stack Trace's picture

TD, please keep the ideas coming including trades. I have learned more from this site in 10 weeks than years of reading MS. (not that I trade on trades you suggest. Just interesting to see alternate approaches to trading)

I am guilty of shorting financials using FAZ the last few weeks and I have been pattern trading between that and squeezes/melt ups with long positions in XLF and some bank stocks. (blush)

However, I mostly hold physical gold and some paper gold (phys) as well as cash. I am watching this latest downturn as an opportunity to buy a dozen ozs with my bank shorting profits.

Anyway, time to donate to your site. I did buy your shirts and everwhere I go people ask about ZH. P.s. My wife and I body-build as a hobby so your shirts are well represented. :-)

Thanks for providing alternative analysis to the crap spewing out of the big WS sell-side machine.

ghostfaceinvestah's picture

BTW who is Menal Mehta and why was his original h/t removed from the article?

I did it by Occident's picture




No, not #WinningtheFuture

the other one...

Maybe-Not's picture


what about MBIA exposure to muni's? Not disagreeing with above. I have been looking at MBIA for a month. I should have pulled the trigger a few weeks back:(

Belarus's picture

There will not be any irreparable harm to munis--sorry Meredith. It's called ctrl + p. The fed's interns know the keystrokes well. So don't worry about that. 

Growyourownfood's picture

Actually, the fact that the major holders are concentrated makes a short squeeze less likely, not more likely. A fund such as fairholme which has massively underperformed this year is much more likely to unload half of its position in the face of any major rallies in onder to at least lock in some gains. The fact that their position is so large means that they are forced to make use of volume in order to exit it, and that same volume equally will serve to limit the etent of any potential surge in price due to short covering.

Porsche was a much different situation, as the major ownership overhang was strategic in the form of VW, so no such dump of stock occured. And it didn't squeeze at a time when funds were looking to lock in any profits they find anywhere.

Belarus's picture

....Fairholme will die a death by a thousand swords before Bruce sells MBIA.  MBIA, per Bruce, would be the largest stock in his fund if his fund weren't so big--can't have a 1.5 billion dollar stock be the #1 holding in a $30 billion fund due to mere logistics. 

So, MBIA will be the last fucking thing this guy sells. FWIW.

Growyourownfood's picture

Yeah, you're right, it'll squeeze to $50 and he won't sell a single share. He'd rather let other people do the selling and end the year down 30. Good luck with that.

Belarus's picture

$50 per share? I guess you proved ZH's point. LOL.

Iceobar's picture

...and my guess for that possible u/s target would be from 31.45 - 36.94

We'll see how that works

Chappy's picture

If no one is shorting and the market goes down, what good does it do anyone?  I've had some success shorting stocks after the 10% rallies.  My track record on long bets is horrendous. 

Wes Mantooth's picture

I don't understand this story. With Volkswagen, there was a 12% short interest with only a 5% float. Here you have 25% short interest on effectively a 50% float, which will not cause a squeeze. The hedge fund holders will be disciplined and will sell for a profit on a squeeze to make up for their terrible numbers this year. What Fairholme and Warburg should do is lend their shares out and then call them right back. That would cause a real squeeze.


Btw, hedge funds are anticipating that Fairholme is going to get big redemptions and are pounding their names with shorts. See Sears today to see what I mean.



ndrewoods's picture

Same here. I can't infer from context. But something caught my attention, that Volkswagen is the biggest market capitalization in the world, is that a good thing or not? I mean, for the company. Well, I do hope to see fairly priced Volkswagen parts soon if they are really growing.

Ruffcut's picture

So if Bac goes poop, then they pay mbi nadda. IF bac goes up to the moon, the chance of paying mbi, nadda still.

This bitch should of died years ago. It is the CDC warning of zombies.

Sorry, my balls are still in my ass from last time, to bank on zombies.

"Invest in this shitbag,because it is less shitty."