Bank of America Posts Adjusted Loss Excluding "Benefits" From Spread Blow Up

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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:20 | 1784423 Fips_OnTheSpot
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They got that wrong, it's not 0.56 EPS, but share-value 0.56 -- soon.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:22 | 1784425 NewThor
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Have i mentioned that BoA is a really shitty bank?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:45 | 1784467 Esso
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I think your valuation estimate is about 56 cents too high.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:05 | 1784513 silver500
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The value of the bank is the present value of expected future bailouts.


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 12:09 | 1785217 sqz
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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:44 | 1784639 Quaderratic Probing
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They should short themselves and profit from the ride to zero

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 09:17 | 1784702 Don Birnam
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09:03...BAC...+ 0.12/ + 1.99%.


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:20 | 1784424 Cassandra Syndrome
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Cook the Books, Bitchez

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:22 | 1784426 NewThor
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These books taste like shit.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:26 | 1784429 trampstamp
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I've never tasted shit before so can't compare :) j/k bud... had too. But you are right it smells like shit!

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:25 | 1784430 Paralympic Equity
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Tyler, did I got this right, they can gain two times (through DVA and adjustments) on the same shitty debt?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:26 | 1784433 belogical
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I cetrtainly am not a balance sheet expert or a lawyer. However, I do not understand why a shareholder lawsuit has not been filed. Especially in the repo fraud. I know the SEC is not going to do anything but why some lawyer doesn't want to take a shot at it is beyiond me.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:26 | 1784434 Mae Kadoodie
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Getting mired in the details is for losers.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:28 | 1784438 trampstamp
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Ding ding ding we got a bankster!

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:33 | 1784444 Hansel
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I was always more interested in what bark was made out of on a tree. Richard Gere's a real hero of mine. Sting. Sting would be another person who's a hero. The music he's created over the years, I don't really listen to it, but the fact that he's making it, I respect that.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:57 | 1784495 Snidley Whipsnae
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I am more interested in the fussing by squirrels and birds over the water and bird seed that goes on in my back yard than the inventive lies various zombie bank statements contain.

Problem is, the birds and squirrels in my back yard are not destroying the world economy, but US banks, in collusion with rotten regulators and politicians, are.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:27 | 1784435 Seasmoke
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let any small business try these accounting gimmicks of cooking the books and keeping 2 sets of numbers and see what happens......and then they wonder why people have had enough and will occupy

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:35 | 1784445 ArkansasAngie
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I agree. 

OWS is about needing a new sheriff who knows who the bad guys are.

2012 Attorney General races should get elevated in stature.


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:29 | 1784437 augie
Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:28 | 1784439 traditionalfunds
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500m in litigation expenses. Nothing to see here. Step back into the bathtub sir.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:29 | 1784440 abugarance
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hearing the Octagenerian just about to have another bath

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:54 | 1784490 bania
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Goldman shower I believe

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:29 | 1784441 Irish66
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Another FAZuluos report

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:47 | 1784471 JohnG
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Shifting long/short with options has made a killing for me.  For months. 

Works 'till it don't.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:37 | 1784446 ThisIsBob
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Bonus expectations thus thankfully remain intact, I would imagine.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:40 | 1784449 Hephasteus
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Revenue's not a huge miss. It's just occulted in where it comes from. The counterfeit money was delivered. Just had to say something different on where it came from.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:41 | 1784451 ss123
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It's the monolines all over again.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:43 | 1784458 Mentaliusanything
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they never bury the dead in the front yard, got to be way in the back.

Page 32 fine print will bury them and they know it. 

Disclaimers - Bitches

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:44 | 1784460 hp12c
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B o A would make a great Funeral director... They have the talent for making a corpse look pretty..

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:45 | 1784463 rokka
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They forgot to include reserved bailout money they will get soon. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:46 | 1784465 Snidley Whipsnae
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According to Jim Rickards if the Volker Rule is applied stringently, and Rickards believes it will be, all of the big zombie banks will be effectively nationalized and their sole purpose for existing will be to purchase whatever amount of US Ts the US Gov/Treasury/Fed demand of them.

Rickards went over the Volker Rule carefully and this is his take on the future of the zombies... They will, in effect, be the same as utilities and will be closely regulated. Playing in the sand box will be over. Blowing up the world economy, AGAIN, will be over... at least, until people forget what has happened and repeal the Volker Rule.

Whether this will come to pass remains to be seen.

If you want to see what Rickards has to say about it... google 'jim rickards new buyers entering gold market'... and, do not be misled by the title... more info about the future of zombie banks than gold discussion.


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:00 | 1784502 Snidley Whipsnae
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JohnG... Thanks for posting it.

I was told by email, long ago, by TPTB here, not to link anything to some sites.

Some sites tend to initiate lawsuits when their material is linked... as explained to me via email.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:05 | 1784512 UGrev
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horse shit. You can link all day long.. you just cannot post an article in its entirety. You can do short quotes with citation and a link to be safe as well. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:15 | 1784545 Snidley Whipsnae
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I see your horse shit and raise you a fuck you! I know what email I received, what it says, and it remains stored in my GMail. I suggest you get your facts straight before inserting your fucking foot in your mouth!!!

Here is the text of the first of four email exchanges between TD and myself...

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Please do not copy and paste again anything from king world news"

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 09:29 | 1784774 Smiddywesson
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Yes, they make money off the number of visitors, so they love other sites to link, but not copy. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:05 | 1784515 JohnG
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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:50 | 1784482 dvsteenk
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Nassim Taleb currently on Bloomberg, interrupted so far two times by endless weather and webcam shots, advertising and "in-depth analysis" by the chicks on duty

In the two minutes he could speak (...and 30 minutes in the "interview" so far), he clearly stated that numbers reported by banks are completely irrelevant as they are no where near based on M2M valuations, saying that the only thing that is known is the bonuses that bankers reward themselves... and then he's being interrupted for the Goldman numbers... remarkably Taleb stays on his seat!

And how can a company that had several perfect trading quarters now have such a loss? What changed?



Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:10 | 1784534 reader2010
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Those motherfuckers need EPS losses to bring back infinite QE.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:19 | 1784559 TheFourthStooge-ing
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And how can a company that had several perfect trading quarters now have such a loss?

Goldman needs to show a loss so they can say, "see, we took a loss, which proves we don't run the world."

What changed?

It's easy to show a loss if your allocation for bonuses is 120 percent of what would have been profits.


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:52 | 1784485 El Gordo
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Zombie banks for Halloween this year?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:04 | 1784509 Snidley Whipsnae
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This year the kiddies get mini Butterfingers... Last year they got mini Milky Ways... The way the economy is going next year they get a handful of popcorn... :)

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:23 | 1784578 TheFourthStooge-ing
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OT, but related to Halloween:

Have a warped sense of humor and looking for a good laugh? Go to a supermarket the week before Halloween and purchase two items (and nothing else): a bag of apples and a package of razor blades.


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:58 | 1784499 ZeroPoint
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You can add BoA to the long list of Chinese fraud stocks, although it's not Chinese. Me likey!!!



Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:15 | 1784548 heyligen
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My disgust just got a 4.5 billion tax-free value adjustment. Sky-high already and still growing.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:26 | 1784576 SwingForce
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On the other hand, why should US banks NOT report pretty flowers and sunny skies? Its a giant middle finger to the European "banks/sovereigns" that make up the EuroZone "partnership". The reason nothing is getting done in Europe is because they have no clue as to where to start. They don't know the totals of what they are working with, what they will need, nobody is telling anybody anything but nonsense. That's a financial system? 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 13:11 | 1785810 Watson
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You might want to probe the report that BAC, at the request of its counterparties, has moved OTC derivative contracts to the FDIC-backed entity.

Forget for a moment the issue of BAC trying to implictly use deposit insurance (intended to protect J6P's checking account) to backstop BAC's own bets in the securities markets.
(Though it is encouraging that the FDIC seems to have noticed, and raised objections...the Fed won't be pleased).

Focus instead on *why* this might have happened.
Most OTC derivatives have a provision that on downgrades the collateral demand goes up, and this has been suggested as BAC's motive.
I suggest another:
Most OTC's also have a provision that on a sufficient downgrade (and BAC is pretty rubbish now for long-term deals), the in-the-money counterparty can force early termination (at third-party mark-to-market prices).
Now think about how much might be involved, and how it might be unfortunate if those losing contracts are, in BAC's books, netted against cash positions that (entirely legally, but very foolishly) BAC might not have marked-to-market.


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