Bank of America Proposes To Cut Outstanding Mortgages In Exchange For Broad Legal Settlement Deal

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Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:39 | 1519891 oobrien
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what happened to Julian Assange?

Wasn't he supposed to release the poison pill against BOA?

Oh, well.  Shit happens.

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Wed, 08/03/2011 - 09:45 | 1520240 TrafficNotHere
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Yeh, I was waiting for that.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:46 | 1520549 FEDbuster
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Fuck BofA!

Hasten the Collapse, OBAMA 2012

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 17:27 | 1522076 mkkby
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Let me get this straight... B of A has already lost a bundle (mortgages are under water and borrowers defaulting).  They want to be shielded from massive fraud liability and have their legal losses reduced, for what?   In exchange FOR MERELY RECOGNIZING those losses.

If they foreclose, they will lose much more than the principal write downs.  So in effect, they expect TO BE PAID to do what's in their own best interest.  And be forgiven for intentional fraud.

That is some chutzpa.  I expect the gov to accept this and go live with what a great deal it is for taxpayers and consumers.  Score a little extra to the campaign kitty for Obama and the top dems and repubs.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:40 | 1519892 KyLafoon
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We all laughed at Peggy Joseph when she said at an Obama campaign rally "Obama gonna pay my mortgage". Whose laughing now?

 

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:50 | 1519917 wang (not verified)
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indeed, who would have guessed that her predictive abilities would rival those of  John Paulson

Peggy from 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:59 | 1519940 EvlTheCat
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love the avatar wang

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:44 | 1520065 Cvillian
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Looks like I need to prepare for a principal reduction by halting payment on my mortgage. 

So, the net statement being made is who cares about the people that pay their mortgage (even though they're underwater too because their neighbors walked away from their home), this "program" will only be for those people unable to afford their home in the first place?

I don't want a bail out (I bought at the wrong time and accept it), and I absolutely don't think it's fair for irresponsible people to get a principal reduction. 

I received a package in the mail yesterday from Chase (a full 4 months after requesting info on my loan) and they had the gaul to mention that they may pursue litigation for claims I made in my one page template letter where I essentially said, "prove to me you are, or service for, the rightful owner of my mortgage".

 

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:14 | 1520391 MachoMan
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Did they cite a clause in your note or mortgage that would allow them to pursue a claim?  Seems not only implausible, but pretty desperate.  [and totally different from the issue of whether you legally can dispute their status after having made payments to them]

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 17:32 | 1522090 mkkby
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If you have any savings convert it to gold and silver. Then stop paying or declare bankruptcy.  You'll have your gold hidden.  They can sue all they want and get nada.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:23 | 1520432 CrashisOptimistic
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Let me be sure I understand this.

If you paid off your mortgage, the way you're supposed to, you'll get a refund?  Yes?

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:41 | 1519896 nedwardkelly
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The best part is that they're also going to give out free cash to anyone that stayed ahead, or paid off their mortgage. They've decided it really is a good idea to reward those that lived below their means and were fiscally prudent.

 

...oh wait...

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:11 | 1520376 TaxSlave
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Uhh .... and for those who already lost their homes ....

When class warfare erupts into physical altercations, it is very likely to be a dispossessed middle class showing up en masse at foreclosure mills like Trott & Trott.  Anyone who has ever had dealings with them in any capacity will know exactly what I mean.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:42 | 1519899 wombats
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Transitory moral hazard?

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:42 | 1519901 oobrien
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Wait till they start bulldozing the foreclosed houses in order to maintain prices.

According to TIME Magazine, that's just right around the corner.

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Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:48 | 1519911 Translational Lift
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Look for Stalinesque mega apartment buildings to come to a location near you anytime now....

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:22 | 1519995 firstdivision
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They already have started that, and BoA is leading the charge

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-27/bank-of-america-donates-then-de...

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:36 | 1520496 FEDbuster
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Tearing down new homes by banksters is old news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsgOaCZ2Lag

Hasten the Collapse, OBAMA 2012

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:49 | 1519913 Freewheelin Franklin
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Is BoA offering principle reduction to anybody who "qualifies", or just the people they screwed over with foreclosure errors? The way I read it is that they are willing to refi any deadbeat on the block in order to avoid paying the people who have actually been harmed. I must be reading this wrong. Somebody tell me I'm reading this wrong.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:14 | 1519984 goldfish1
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Free money for the plebes:

Friday, June 3, 2011 The State of Ohio has resources to help families struggling to make their mortgage payments after experiencing a job loss or reduction in income. As a result of a federal initiative to provide financial assistance to families in states hardest hit by the national foreclosure crisis, Ohio received $570 million to help homeowners stay in their homes. These funds are distributed through Restoring Stability: A Save the Dream Ohio Initiative.

Four programs are available:

  • Rescue Payment Assistance
  • Partial Mortgage Payment Assistance
  • Modification Assistance with Principal Reduction
  • Transition Assistance

To learn more or to apply for assistance, visit www.savethedream.ohio.gov or call 888-404-4674.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:20 | 1520005 Freewheelin Franklin
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Thanks but, that really didn't answer my question.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 09:21 | 1520146 gmrpeabody
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Refer to the sentence that starts with... To learn more.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:52 | 1519919 mayhem_korner
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Great scheme.  Wean the overextended off crystal meth by offering heroin lollipos. 

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:52 | 1519920 belogical
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Great deal for BofA, their gonna lose that money anyway and this halts additional cost as people sue

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:52 | 1519921 Version 7
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At some point the government will have to take over the banks and the debt written off. And they will beg for it.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:53 | 1519923 Watson
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Surely any such agreement only binds against state/federal claims.
So any private individual with a loan from BAC, but where BAC/assignees have not done the paperwork properly, still has a chance of persuading the Court that the liability is unenforceable?

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:15 | 1519991 goldfish1
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Sure. Until they change the law.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:22 | 1520010 Rusty_Shackleford
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Sure,... in a country with the rule of law.

In the US,.... not so much.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:54 | 1519926 gwar5
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.

 

Class warfare is the tried and true way to get out the vote.  But, I guess I'd rather have deadbeat individuals get something out of this than have a deadbeat government take a settlement from the banks as a class action. At least something would get into the economy.

Would this be happening without an election coming up? There's a campaign slogan in there somewhere: "Stay (in your house) with Obama!"

"Marxism never sleeps.... ... that's why I have a great big dog."  -- unknown.

 

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:56 | 1519931 DavidC
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Anyone approached by any bank to dicuss a loan modification should just ask for the original paperwork...

DavidC

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 09:16 | 1520131 pods
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My servicer kept contacting me about a refi into a fixed rate loan. I told them I was perfectly happy with my ARM (currently 2.5%).  A few months later I find out that they just registered my note with the county, only 4 years after they bought it.  They wanted to make the fees on a new loan instead of fixing mine.

Lotsa shakey stuff here, big servicers are merely playing a game of CYA.

pods

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 17:36 | 1522101 mkkby
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Yep.  If you are offered a mod, assume it's a trick to cure errors or fraud.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 07:57 | 1519932 Version 7
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If just people were so effective not paying their income tax as they are in not paying their mortgages without knowing it.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:01 | 1519947 New American Re...
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Ah yes, is that what we call a 'bribe'?    I'll pay this if you'll let me go?     I promise I won't do it again.      To hell with the American Justice System, let's do something else this time,...ok?    Huh, huh, ok,ok?

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:03 | 1519953 blackvegetable
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Radical notion, I know....but didn't these "foreclosure error" legal actions rise from the STATE level as opposed to from the bowels of the Obama Justice Dept.?

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:07 | 1519968 Catullus
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You can't sue me.  I paid off the cops.  Apply through our writedown department.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:15 | 1519992 firstdivision
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This is bullish for crApple

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:20 | 1520004 sunnydays
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They are pressing for a resolution because many more people have woken up to their fraud and standing up against the foreclosure fraud.  People are taking them to court all around the country and some states put a mortorium on their fraud foreclosures.  So this is about the government really protecting them against the people who are winning.

What will the govt do?  Say no one can take them to court for fraud anymore?  They will sanctify the fraud?

It is always about protecting the banks not the people.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:23 | 1520015 NumberNone
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We've seen this dance before.  BofA gets their legal release and somehow the millions of mortgages that are supposed to get 'addressed' somehow get fucked up, delayed, or actually wind up costing the home-debtor more.  "Sure Mr. HomeDebtor we will cut your principle...all you need to do is sign this 40 year note at 10% interest and that we'll lop that $10K in principle right off there."

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:30 | 1520027 Agent 440
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So "Friends of Angelo" has a sequel now?

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:35 | 1520045 -Michelle-
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I wonder about this.  Over the last month or so, we've gotten a few notices from BoA along the lines of "thank you for your information request. We are gathering the necessary paperwork to answer your question..."  Only thing is we didn't make any requests.  I called their CS to see what was going on and the rep said we'd been "targeted" for some kind of modification deal and would be receiving information soon.

We're current on our mortgage, although heavily underwater (thanks, Florida).  I wonder if those letters have anything to do with this.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 09:03 | 1520089 Cvillian
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I received something from Chase yesterday. Back in April 2011, I sent a "where's the note" letter to the bank. I have never missed or been late on a payment in the six years I have had a mortgage on my underwater condo.

At the end of the letter were the following few hilarious paragraphs:

Enclosed with your correspondence were documents that reference your loan with Chase. Please note that these documents are invalid and are not recognized by JPMorgan Chase Bank, NA, Chase Home Finance LL, or any entity that may have an interest in the subject loan and property. We intend to take prompt action to see that any entity or individual with whom you may have filed these documents is notified of their invalidity. We are currently investigating the documents and determining the appropriate course of action, which may include initiating legal proceedings and/or reporting the situation to the appropriate government agency or law enforcement authorities. 

You should know that borrowers have fallen victim to unlawful scams that include documents similar to the ones you sent to Chase. We are aware of advertising and other solicitations for borrowers to lodge such documents with their lender. The solicitations claim that the filing of such documents will extinguish valid and legal debt obligations. Those efforts are invalid, do not eliminate debt, and may be illegal. We strongly advise that you consult an attorney or local law enforcement regarding your efforts to avoid your obligation, as well as the repercussions of the efforts you have taken so far.

Chase is obligated to report accurate information to the credit bureaus and will continue to do so. Late payments, missed payments, or other defaults on the account may be reflected in your credit report.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 09:24 | 1520160 pods
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They're scared.  Make sure you have all your paperwork and have it looked over.  Know the law.

And Michelle, they are contacting you because your note is impaired.  Same thing they did to me.  All was good too.  Got a couple of "We wanted to get you into a fixed rate loan since interest rates are so low."  I told them thanks but no thanks.

Month later they registered my note, only 4 years late.  If they settle the old note with the new, it will be up to snuff and will be rock solid and watertight.  Don't do it.  Why help them out?

pods

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:33 | 1520480 MachoMan
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That's a hilarious response to a "where's my note" query...  Did you send them documents that purported to relieve you of your note or mortgage obligations?  If so, what was the substance/argument of such documents?  Strange...

Also, Pods, that's crazy!  They've actually recorded a down stream assignment (what is "registered'?)?  How is that even possible given it is effectively a "wild" deed/assignment...  since any intermediary assignees/assignors have not recorded any documentation...  and it would be odd for the caboose to have the documents of assignment from each upstream assignor.  If title searchers look for that, they'll take a big shit on it...  and I would think it would need many affidavits to be recorded along with it...  depending on the number of intermediary assignees.

Or was this a local bank (ARM) that was just finally getting around to recording?  (which is hilariously sloppy if so).

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 11:21 | 1520760 Cvillian
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Nope. Nothing but the template, "Where's the note?" that you can find online in a number of places. I think the SEIU or some group like that put it together.

There was nothing official showing who held the note, only a statement from letter dated July 26th, 2011 saying that I should go to the county courthouse to see about assignment of the instrument. 

They also mentioned in this same document dated July 26, 2011, under the "servicing related questions" field, "The investor for this loan is Fannie Mae, 3150 Worldgate Drive, Herndon, VA 20170. Some of this information requested under this section is either proprietary or unavailable, and will not be provided."

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 08:55 | 1520084 snowball777
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Dear Bank of Lynching America CountryWide,

Fuck you. You broke it, you bought it. Have fun bulldozing it.

You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you were only kidding.

 

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 09:10 | 1520110 Atlantis Consigliore
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15% of it is non performing, foreclosed or NOD past 90 + days, on their $2 Trillion liable GSE mortgages....thats 2 million homes, even if you made a deal short pay, cut bal, you have 2 million renters with BAD credit, unrefinanceable. Better they throw in the jingle mail and add 2 million bulldozers..

2 Million bulldozers jobs.  hey.....SCHTIMULUS!!!    lol.

 

 

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 09:23 | 1520135 G-R-U-N-T
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"The bank is "discussing the proposal with state and federal officials who are prodding the country's biggest banks toward a multibillion-dollar deal to atone for foreclosure errors…"

So much for the rule of law....

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."

-Ayn Rand

How is it possible to atone for colluding forces (Government and Banks) whom are both responsible for deceiving, through fraud, good honest healthy producing tax payers? What are they going to give back the fees and bonuses they deceived much of the populace out of?

Fine the banks so that government can continue the redistribution plan by continuing to steal what they have already stolen. Geesh!!

Absurdity = Criminals negotiating and deciding their own fate in front of an ignorant populace.

 

 

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:20 | 1520419 TaxSlave
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Absurdity = Criminals negotiating and deciding their own fate in front of an ignorant populace.

Absurdity?  You are too charitable.  Perversion is more like it.

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