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Is The Bank Of England About To Be Dragged Into Lie-borgate, And Which US Bank Is Next

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While the Lieborgate scandal gathers steam not so much because of people's comprehension of just what is at stake here (nothing less than the fair value of $350 trillion in interest-rate sensitive products as explained in February), but simply courtesy of several very vivid emails which mention expensive bottles of champagne, once again proving that when it comes to interacting with the outside world, banks see nothing but rows of clueless muppets until caught red-handed (at which point they use big words, and speak confidently), the BBC's Robert Peston brings an unexpected actor into the fray: the English Central Bank and specifically Paul Tucker, the man who, unless Goldman's-cum-Canada's Mark Carney or Goldman's Jim O'Neill step up, will replace Mervyn King as head of the BOE.

From the BBC:

In making false submissions about their borrowing costs, managers at Barclays believed they were operating under an instruction from Paul Tucker, deputy governor of the Bank of England, I have learned.


This belief was fostered after a telephone conversation in the autumn of 2008 between Mr Tucker and Bob Diamond, who at the time ran Barclays' investment bank, Barclays Capital, and is today chief executive of Barclays.


The heart of the matter is that in 2008, at the height of the credit crunch, the perception of banks' financial strength was linked to how much they had to pay to borrow. Barclays managers were very worried that the appearance of the bank paying more to borrow than other banks was damaging confidence in its health.


So Barclays so-called "submitters", the managers who gave borrowing data to the British Bankers Association's Libor-setting committees, consistently told these committees that Barclays was paying a lower interest rate to borrow than was actually the case.


And what is striking is that after their conversation took place, senior Barclays' management on October 29 2008 gave an explicit instruction to reduce Libor submissions.

We hope it comes as no surprise to anyone that central banks, already known to sell Treasury puts in order to game interest rates on global benchmark securities, would go so far as to advise BBA member (which as noted last week was shocked to find that epic manipulation was going on here) banks to do all in their power to lie and cheat to the market in order to avoid the perception of reality.

Yet here is the punchline in Peston's piece:

What is striking is that even the artificially suppressed quotes for Barclays' borrowing costs provided to the BBA committee were higher than other banks' quotes.

Which conveniently brings us once again to our piece from January 22, 2009 when the market was crashing every single day, when the world's central banks would do anything to halt the collapse in risk and asset prices, up to an including telling their host banks to lie about funding conditions, before the real QE1 was announced back in the middle of March, in which we made just this speculation.

Everyone knows there is something very screwy about LIBOR, with opinion ranging from it's way too high to the opposite. We also have been quite vocal in our opinion of the TED Spread but that's irrelevant for the time being. Lately we have been looking at the most recent BBA data for the 3 month LIBOR submission by bank and while the average is 1.122%, the range is quite wide: 1.04% at the tight end to 1.204% at the wide. What confuses us is that the banks that submitted the lowest rates are the ones that have the most governmental independence, notably BofA and JPM, while the other end of the range is represented by pseudo nationalized banks such as RBS, in which the UK government recently acquired a 70% stake, and UBS, which had all of its bad assets swept by the Swiss National Bank in exchange for a loan (read more about the Swiss model here).

The implication is that with more governmental involvement or even virtual nationalization, the cost to lend to another bank creeps higher, when compared to entities such as BofA and JPM which still, at least theoretically, carry all their bad assets on their books. This intuitively is very confusing as the cheapest LIBOR should come from the nationalized entities, that have a full governmental backstop.


So while LIBOR's moves in itself have been very puzzling lately, the components of LIBOR and their relative values provide an additional layer to the puzzle.

Three and a half years later the puzzle is no more: it was all one big epic fraud, pardon, no fraud, as the CFTC and SEC settlements never admitted or denied fraud. Let's just call it benign market manipulation of a $350 trillion market.

But what the table above brings up are some curious observations: note the banks that in the middle of January were telegraphing to the world they were the healthiest via the one metric that was actually still relevant: 3 Month USD funding costs.

We already know that Barclays has been exposed to be manipulating Libor on an epic scale. And even with all this, it still could manage to only be in the third best quartile? If they were manipulating their Libor submissions they sure sucked at it. Which of course is why even the BOE got involved.

However, it begs the question: what about the Libor submissions of the three then "healthiest" banks: Bank of America, JP Morgan and Deutsche Bank. If Barclays was manipulating and gaming Lie-bor, only to fall even below the median submission, does this mean that these three banks were all furiously coming up with totally meaningless numbers? And how long until the SEC comes up with a US scapegoat bank to mimic the FSA's bold action on Barclays?

If, and this is a big if, the SEC does for once do something proactive in its illustrious career of corrupt, incompetent complacency and co-option, not to mention pornoholic hypnosis, the next and final question becomes: will it be Bank of America, or JP Morgan... and just how will the market react to the knowledge that two of the world's biggest non-nationalized banks participated in what as many have been warning for years, the biggest market manipulation fraud in history.

Finally, if the BOE ends up getting crucified for Barclays' stunning email disclosure, will the Fed, which certainly had a role to play in all of this, be once again left untouched?


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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 11:53 | 2578514 LULZBank
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Bollinger-Gate Bitchezz!!!

This is how Daddys roll...

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:14 | 2578569 DoChenRollingBearing
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This is all very bullish.  Risk on, bitchez!



Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:26 | 2578602 veyron
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I for one am disappointed that Taibbi doesnt show up in the Zero Hedge Reads column ...

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:38 | 2578616 LULZBank
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Forget Taibbi, wait till Farage gets a sniff of this. He will be so very upset. Cant wait to see his stiff rant on this.

And check this ass clown:

Bank shareholders must get stronger grip, Cable says

He probably meant in their circle jerk sessions.

Shareholders should know also function as SEC.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:51 | 2578636 falak pema
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If Farage goes indignant on this it'll be the icing on the rotten Englander cake; the prime supporter of John Bull, "we are holier than thou" Eurobashing will have to knee jerk into reverse gear and go charging like Don Quichotte into Whitehall and City shenanigans. As this is a NATIONWIDE, systemic, upper-elites cover up of financial malpratices which ARE the bread and butter of BIG BANG libertarian England. "Not like those socialistic shills, we certainly aren't! Thank you very very fukking much'...has been his patriotic stance. 'England is clean and non socialist not like corrupt and socialist technocratic Eurozone.' 

I think Mutti Merkel must be splitting her sides on this Cameron's and New Labour crony club historical caper of uber WS magnitude. Even Hank Paulson must be impressed. After Abacus, after Whale, now this new-old City tour de force!

A gold medal for the UK! 

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:47 | 2579034 Umh
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The phrase "libertarian England" may be the funniset thing I have heard in decades.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 23:39 | 2579781 Harlequin001
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'and just how will the market react to the knowledge that two of the world's biggest non-nationalized banks participated in what as many have been warning for years, the biggest market manipulation fraud in history.

Eventually it will dawn on most people that the'biggest market manipulation fraud in history' was actually the suppression of the gold price, which, if nobody is to lose any credit money, and our house prices and pensions are not to collapse in 'value' will soon be worth considerably more than a mere 350 trillion...

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 05:41 | 2580013 falak pema
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you must find Maggie funny then. Hilarious decade she ran! And New Labour prolonged it like the good little boys they were, making City the beacon of financial "liberty". 

No wonder that Abramovich and his coterie love it! What is more libertarian than a russian oligarch who got rich on asset stripping rip-off of soviet empire. Not to worry the City recycles all and sundry, white as linen, no questions asked! 

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:50 | 2578634 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Tyler's blogroll is not the be all and end all of blogrolls.

Despite Tyler's prowess for journalism, he lacks the talent to find talent.

But hey, why not let Lizzy360 write an article about how great Mark Carney is?  Or let Mike Kreiger write another boring article about bla bla.  Or have Biderman, Rosie, or Junjah tell us stocks are going to decade lows.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:50 | 2578635 ptoemmes
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See the parallel from the muni fraud trial?


In the end, though, the conviction of a few bit players seems like far too puny a punishment, given that the bid rigging exposed in Carollo involved an entrenched system that affected major bond issues in every state in the nation. You find yourself thinking, America's biggest banks ripped off the entire country, virtually every day, for more than a decade! A truly commensurate penalty would be something like televised stonings of the top 10 executives of every guilty bank, or maybe the forcible resettlement of every banker and broker in Lower Manhattan to some uninhabited Andean wasteland... anything to address the systemic nature of the crime.

No such luck. Instead of anything resembling real censure, a few young executives got spanked, while the offending banks got off with slap-on-the-wrist fines and were allowed to retain their pre-eminent positions in the municipal bond market. Last year, the two leading recipients of public bond business, clocking in with more than $35 billion in bond issues apiece, were Chase and Bank of America – who combined had just paid more than $365 million in fines for their role in the mass bid rigging. Get busted for welfare fraud even once in America, and good luck getting so much as a food stamp ever again. Get caught rigging interest rates in 50 states, and the government goes right on handing you billions of dollars in public contracts.


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 19:16 | 2579427 jmcadg
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It gets better than that DoChen. I heard on BBC news tonight that RBS fired 5 traders in January for their part in the scandal.

Frstly, so why have we not heard anything until now?

But even better, at least one is suing RBS for wrongful dismissal as he claims the manipulation was known right at the top.

This one is not going away anytime soon. I want at least Diamond and Heston's heads on sticks. You can't get more arrogant than these two, oh wait a minute, Dimon and Blankfein.

Oh Bob Diamond, you lose out again to your superior peers. Hang your head in shame, you lightweight.

And still they can't get him to go as Agius takes the blame.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:41 | 2579549 Buck Johnson
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This is going to get bigger and bigger in Europe, because in effect they found out what everybody thought years ago.  Manipulation of the LIBOR and other entities was not only happening but encouraged.  And that email nails the BOE and if you think the US federal bank wasn't involved I have a bridge to sell you.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:48 | 2579559 philipat
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I agree that this is all wrong but I'm mot clear about one aspect. If the Banks were UNDER-stating borrowing costs so as to appear to be "Big and Strong", doesn;t that then mean that LIBOR was artificially low, thereby benefiting the public via artificially low mortgage rates on this occasion?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:20 | 2579580 bigwavedave
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Until the re-rack at a higher rate. Then shit hits fan.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 03:31 | 2579972 Rogue Trooper
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+ QE3

Upon reading this my mouthful of beer, I could not afford Bollinger, nearly wiped out my Macbook :P

Finally, material for the eventual Black Adder #5!

Stephen Fry would obviously play Sir Mervyn "King" Melchett  - Head of the Bank of England. All fiction of course!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 11:52 | 2578517 Xibalba
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in NO WAY does JPM rig the metals markets on behalf of theFed.....#yaright.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:20 | 2578586 Thomas
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Next time somebody calls you a "conspiracy theorist" or refers to something as "conspiracy theory", tell them, "anybody who believes that trillions of dollars can roll around the markets on a daily basis but nobody will conspire to cheat the system is a complete moron." Look them in the eyes and say, "Are you such a moron?"

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:38 | 2578617 Thomas
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We need a sequel: "Silence of the Bankers"

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:41 | 2578622 Thomas
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BTW-The bankers in the last couple of years have done more harm than all the rapists and pedophiles. You folks should be hung from the neck until dead (after a fair trial). If you happen to be an honest banker, then step up and help clean up your profession because, if you don't, you are part of the problem. You are watching innocent people getting the Sandusky Rhythmic Slapping Treatment. Fuck 'em. I cannot heap enough scorn on them. Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 11:53 | 2578518 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Call the ... forget it.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:16 | 2578578 DoChenRollingBearing
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They're not even there.  At home, watching movies on the Internet...

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:39 | 2578619 Kayman
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"Call the ... forget it."

Exactly.  As soon as everyone understands that the entire financial industry is a rigged game, the sooner it will collapse.

When the penalty for a financial crime is but a pittance of the take, and no one goes to jail, this will continue.

How do you say "Fuck You" in banker talk ?  "Trust me".

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:16 | 2578872 Amish Hacker
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When every second counts, the SEC can be there in a matter of hours.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 11:54 | 2578523 Ancona
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When the wheel stops, it's going to be something to see. The destruction of wealth will travel the wires like a mountain wildfire destroying everything in it's path.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:15 | 2578573 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, + 1

The problem is the timing.  Best be prepared, like, yesterday!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 11:54 | 2578525 cherry picker
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The AXIS of Evil is often portrayed as being Iran, Iraq and North Korea.

A few decades ago it was everything related to "commie" countries.

Now I wonder if Wall Street, Washington and the Pentagon are a part of it and England is a strong ally.  Not the people of the countries so much as they really have no say, for if they vote for one thing usually they recieve something else.  It is the few that "control" it all.

Those who control, laugh and sneer at we "sheep" in derision.  How we are so easily fooled and led by the nose.

Wait till we "sheep" start feeling the fences closing in and the grass turning to dirt and see children go hungry.  Then it will be the Ram's turn.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:05 | 2578548 SamAdams1234
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The axis of evil are the banks of England: following the collapse of the British Empire in the 20th century the banks simply expatriated to America. They are now working to expatriate to China, if the Chinese would only be cooperative ...

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:46 | 2578630 Kayman
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They weren't laughing when their severed heads fell into a wicker basket.

Humpty Dumpty is not going to be pieced together again without an ugly reset.

The "exhorbitant priviledge" as granted to all Central Banks is coming to an end.

Make the smallest footprint possible and sit back and watch the show.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:58 | 2578650 DoChenRollingBearing
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"Make the smallest footprint possible and sit back and watch the show."

Very eloquent and quite correct.

+ 32219 !

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 11:55 | 2578526 jmcadg
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So basically Bob Diamond is shit at cooking the books and his American counterparts were laughing daily at his total ineptness, as BoA and JPM are shit hot at fraud.

Don't worry Bob, I'm sure your salary makes up for your complete incompetence you twat.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:35 | 2578612 EscapeKey
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It's also a curious defense, to say the least, considering they were manipulating Liebor much earlier than 2008.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 11:57 | 2578533 jmcadg
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It's one thing being laughed at by your peers, it's another being laughed at by the muppets of this world. Lol Bob.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:35 | 2578907 tenpanhandle
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I don't believe the muppits are laughing, at least not at these bankster types.   They are too busy laughing at some non-sensical, brain deadening, propagandistic tv shit-com or unreality show.  They are laughing at the foul comments of the likes of bill mahr (I'm looking forward to his death so I have a place to piss).  They're laughing all the way to the bank to cash their welfare check.  They're laughing all right but not at what I'm laughing at.  Actually, I'm not laughing at all.  Those tears are not from laughter. 

I don't believe we the people who are reading Zero hedge and the like are muppets. Muppets are always going to be muppets. Even when ginned up into a mob, they will still be muppets.  Beware of a mob of muppits.  In all likelyhood they will be gunning for you. 


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:00 | 2578538 Sudden Debt
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mostly it's the bank not mentioned in the first shortlist that will get hammered.
so I'm missing goldman sachs and morgan stanley in that list... 2 boyscouts who would never do this but.... .....

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:02 | 2578543 Heroic Couplet
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Why does the SEC need all the elaborate and meaningless AAA and BBB-? It's meaningless. The banks are insolvent. They're F. Then we can disband the SEC; let them enjoy porn while unemployed.

Instead of four frivolous Republican lawsuits and challenges at the Supreme Court in 4 years (birth certificate X 3 and Obama Won), why doesn't the Supreme Court enforce Congress's money supply capability and then the Supreme Court can get rid of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:44 | 2578629 veyron
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It allows for lip-service downgrades (they can "downgrade" a notch and say they did something, even if they didn't)

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:18 | 2578696 TruthHunter
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"Then we can disband the SEC; let them enjoy porn while unemployed."

Then we can replace the SEC with a real Occupy Wall with guns and guillotines?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:19 | 2578875 tenpanhandle
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Why does the SEC need all the elaborate and meaningless AAA and BBB-? It's meaningless. The banks are insolvent. They're F.



It maybe (is) pure bullshit but it is not meaningless or purposeless.   You say, and I agree, they're F.  So giving them a BBB- is still a passing grade.  It gives them some credit-bility as opposed to "FAIL". 



Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:04 | 2578546 I am Jobe
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Shocking I am telling you. Time for some short ropes and tall trees.


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:07 | 2578553 SamAdams1234
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Sharp swords, pikes and guillotines.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:40 | 2578559 LULZBank
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You guys have no imagination. That is too quick and easy.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 17:44 | 2579236 Clever Name
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A "pair of pliers and a blowtorch"?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 19:56 | 2579475 Jena
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Dozens of hemostats, scores of Bic lighters and about seven Xacto knives.  Plus about three rolls of Shrink wrap.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:10 | 2578549 Whiner
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The pot of world wide bankster corruption boilith over. "Bubble, bubble. Toil and trouble. How long til the end of their bubble?" The cock roache citings are more numerous, some so oversized, they wobble brazenly out into the daylight immune, to diluted pesticides. Huge colonies breed as for decades behind the pristine mahogany walls. Down in the vaults the commingled gold seems to have diminished. Gold bugs scurry around endlessly trying to find their fellow countryman's stash. "It is not here!" "It is not here." The cockroaches snicker.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:10 | 2578558 falak pema
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Champagne cocktail bunga bunga binge at 'Lie and then bore to pussy galore' Bank of England inn.  All fellow CBs and PDs CEOs more than welcome. Its open house if you let your bloated HFT oar-blade float and then gloat in ribonned glory at Henley's bloaters and blue blooded toaders boat race. Splendid fellows in chariots of fire all for days of auld lang syne. Its only a fare thee well, should all acquaintance be forgot...swing low, sweet chariot, comin' for to carry me home. 

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:13 | 2578566 LULZBank
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You need to cut down on your "fine wines." They are making you horny as well.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:17 | 2578580 falak pema
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its part of their paradoxical healing capability; we don't want to die both ruined and at a loss of poetic justice in body urge. Those miltarist shills call it "the surge".

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:27 | 2578603 LULZBank
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The ascent to heaven must be easier when you're already high.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:34 | 2578610 falak pema
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as long as it doesn't get me there via guantanamo I'm fine with unlibored wine. 

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:14 | 2578685 LULZBank
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With a name like "sky climber," I would'nt entirely rule it out.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:12 | 2578560 Kina
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The CFTC and SEC are worried that if they acted honestly their bankster supply of new and interesting Japanese school girl sex dolls would dry up, and they would have to go back communal Wendy.



Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:44 | 2578628 Abner Doon
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Should laws be violated

to uphold a president’s right to executive privilege?


What should be the role of criminal law

if government officials violate statutes in the name of national security?


How much should the government infringe on individual liberty

in the name of guarding against risks to public safety?


How many Americans with relatively high incomes

like physicians, lawyers, financial professionals

and middle to upper corporate management

are likely to encounter personal financial instability

if their incomes fall 25%?



Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:12 | 2578562 dick cheneys ghost
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send in the drones..............

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:14 | 2578570 mark7
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It is already on the radar screen...the chicken armada heading towards Great Britain, after feasting a little bit in Greece and Spain. About friggin time...payback is a bitch.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:18 | 2578583 Sockeye
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Uhm. This is pretty freakin explosive news, and will most assuredly be suppressed.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:27 | 2578593 Pat Fields
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Since the universal banknote scheme automatically co-generates currency and debt, each by the other, the Central Bank notion never really had any other purpose than ... to control interest rates!

The supposition was that the interest rate would regulate inflation and moderate the levels of debt. That presumption, however, has proven misconcieved! Despite 'zero' interest rates, the complex compounding of PAST rates has been proceeding to exponentiality and is soon to implode because the depreciation of the currency and coincident ballooning of interest obligation is overtaking productive capacity to meet even internal consumption!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:34 | 2578608 LULZBank
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"Has been doing wonders for the value of my assets and returns, who gives a shit about the sheeple."

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:23 | 2578596 km4
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President Obama Asks Campaign Donors to Send Him More Money

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:24 | 2578597 Kina
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The class of persons that have done the absolute worst damge to this world and harmed the most people, destroyed the most lives, and countries, is not the class 'terrorist' but the class 'bankster'.


Banksters are a mestatised cancer, they have infested every part of the body. Unfortunately chemo wont work because of the specific cell-death blocker, copted politician/regulator. To cure the cancer one has to first render the blockers inactive which is done by cloning and injecting the Bubba-porn-cell. The bankster-sarcoma can then be readily turned into headless chicken which are easily cleaned up the systems immune system, judges judy.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:36 | 2578614 Pat Fields
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Governments pass the statutes allowing every iota of criminality exercised in banking. Government passes statutes eliminating entry of competition against monopoly industrialists.

The 'bankster' ploy is a ruse to protect the GANG. It's a collusion of elements constructed to steal the labor of The Peoples of all this world's countries.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:41 | 2578623 Abner Doon
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Is outsourcing American jobs to increase corporate profitability OK

as long as it’s not your job?


If the Attorney General of the United States

takes an oath to uphold the law

are there exceptions if the suspect is the president of the United States

the Federal Reserve

and most of the leaders of the financial sector?


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:14 | 2578965 Pat Fields
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Production is 'outsourced' because the cost of domestically depreciating 'capital' necessitates it for survival. Better to export the inflation. That's what 'petro-dollars' and 'euro-dollars' are all about.

The A.G., believe it or not, IS upholding the law (statute, to be precise). Nearly all federal statute is written as applicable in its private Congressional jurisdiction, provided at Art. IV, Sec. 3, cl. 2. Those who fail to differentiate between federal jurisdiction and that original and ordinary to their States, fall prey to inadvertant traverse, leaving them subject to its 'rules and regulations', explicitly excluded from Constitutional constraint.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:26 | 2578601 otto skorzeny
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instead of CNBC posting the LIBOR % rate as a # on their scroll it should just say "It's whatever the f*** % we want it to be-bitchez"

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:31 | 2578604 Zola
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It is unfathomable the extend of the corruption, deceit , as well the mindless ignorance and placidity of the sheeples.

When is there going to be redress , when is there going to be justice ? Even if there was a mass demonstration and march to washington, maybe 100,000 would join, not 10 million. 

Is humanity that sad a specie ? Is the 21st century destined to be a repeat of widespread poverty with a few ultra rich aristocrats and kings ?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:35 | 2578605 Benjamin Glutton
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Vince Cable calls for criminal investigation into Barclays bankers

Business secretary backs demand for police inquiry into bank fined £290m for role in manipulating City interest rates

Vince Cable said the public 'can’t understand why people are thrown into jail for petty theft and these guys just walk away'.

Vince Cable has called for a criminal investigation into the conduct of the Barclays bankers responsible for rigging key interest rates.

The business secretary said the public would not understand why people were jailed for petty theft while bankers were getting off, "having perpetrated what looks like conspiracy".

And he said he agreed with Lord Blair, the former Metropolitan police commissioner, who said there appeared to be evidence that Barclays employees were engaged in conspiracy to defraud.

In an interview with Sky's Dermot Murnaghan, Blair said: "There have to be police inquiries into this.

"Anybody, the youngest detective, would say this is conspiracy to defraud. It can mean nothing else. And therefore someone has to launch a criminal inquiry into this behaviour."

Speaking on the same programme, Cable said "his instincts" were to agree with Blair, and that members of the public would expect a criminal investigation too.

"They just can't understand why people are thrown into jail for petty theft and these guys just walk away having perpetrated what looks like conspiracy," Cable said.

Barclays has been fined £290m in the UK and the US for its "serious, widespread" role in manipulating two City interest rates used to determine the cost of borrowing. Investigations into other banks are continuing.

In a statement to the Commons on Thursday, the chancellor, George Osborne, played down the prospects of any of those involved facing criminal prosecution because rigging Libor [the London interbank offered rate] is not a criminal offence under the City's regulatory regime.

As well as expressing his personal support for a criminal investigation, Cable said he had been told that the Serious Fraud Office was having "a fresh look" at the evidence produced by the Financial Services Authority (FSA) investigation into Barclays.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:11 | 2578680 No Euros please...
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Blair wants a public enquiry because Brown (who blackmailed him out of office) was the one who authorised the LIBOR fix. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:26 | 2578713 Benjamin Glutton
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could care less who authorized the conspiracy. put them all in prison. brown black green red...if you paticipated you go to prison. EOS.


I know little of Brittish politics. serve it up!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:49 | 2578792 Rip van Wrinkle
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Now that would be karma. I'd forgive that 'copper' Blair everything if he could nail the Scotman to the cross.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:36 | 2578615 Abner Doon
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If a few multinational corporations
own an overwhelming majority of newspapers, magazines, news channels
radio stations, book publishers and business information sources,
what are the chances of an investigative journalist
publishing a negative story on a sister subsidiary
or on a subsidiary of another company that could retaliate in kind,
or on a whistleblower against the top brass
of the fourth largest bank in the country?

Is it worse that America’s political leadership didn’t see the financial crisis coming,
or that most economists and business leaders didn’t know
or did and failed to inform the public,
or that some legislators sharing relatively high portions of blame,
pledged to find and punish those responsible and did relatively nothing
as the regulatory infrastructure of the country became compromised?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:59 | 2578653 BidnessMan
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The Investigative Journalist would have to work for a newspaper completely outside the industry - say maybe a music newspaper like Rolling Stone?  

What are the chances .... 

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:07 | 2578674 No Euros please...
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Paul Tucker. lmao there's always a fall guy just waiting to take the rap. Labour ask for a full public enquiry whilst shitting themselves that there actually will be one that uncovers the truth.

Meanwhile the bankers continue to fleece the sheep and get paid by the government for the privilege.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:22 | 2578812 NuYawkFrankie
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Yeah - since Little Jack Horner doesn't appear to be available, Paul Tucker will have to take the rap. 

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:17 | 2578692 Ned Zeppelin
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This whole story dies and gets permanently buried in 3. . . 2. . 1. . .

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:24 | 2578714 WTF2
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Did the Moon just crash into the Earth, Jamie's worst fear???

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:27 | 2578722 Grand Supercycle
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More Equity Rally Expected.

Any traders predicting a multi month equity rally apart from me ?

As of June 30th I am.

Last week was the turning point.

Further equity upside and USDX weakness expected this year according to my analysis.

However the SPX big picture remains very bearish and unfortunately this will not change.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:29 | 2578730 brianshell
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Central banks, fractional reserve banking, sovereign borrowing and credit cards must be outlawed definitively worldwide.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:47 | 2578756 onebir
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From the BBC story

"There is no contemporaneous minute or recording of the meeting, I am told. However Mr Diamond and Mr Tucker have different recollections of it, according to well-placed sources."

Both sides playing "The Corzine Defence"... 


"Regulators found that Barclays "routinely made artificially low Libor submissions to protect Barclays' reputation from negative market and media perceptions concerning Barclays' financial condition" from August 2007 to early 2009 - so from long before and long after the conversation between Mr Diamond and Mr Tucker."

What's Tucker got to worry about? (Unless the understatement got bigger after the conversation perhaps?)

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:55 | 2578920 OneTinSoldier66
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It's as if the Banksters have conjured up nothing but schemes and lies in order to perpetuate an ability to skim off of all of humankind.


Instead of fining a 'Corporation', which is just a name on a piece of paper, how about prosecuting someone that is responsible for the fraud!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:21 | 2578966 tony wilson
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the bbc and robert peston cannot be trusted.

remember peston is mi6 and most certainly part of the rothschild,murdoch firm.

regular country suppers in  oxfordshire with rebbeca brooks and david cameron and someone called nat rothschild.

robert peston does not bust stories from painstaking forensic investigations he is just a stooge with impeccable sources.

framing and shaping a collapse agenda.

anything from the bbc is today suspect.

no journalist exists today in the uk.

no decent story will be broken by any of these scripted clowns.

unless it is for diversion


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:41 | 2579019 fiddy pence haf...
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and he is hot for Christine Lagardes crusty ass.

This is not an exaggeration.

and I wouldn't trust the BBC when it comes to vested interests and UK foreign policy. They're suppposedly independent of the gov, but they are not at all.

They're ripe for a takeover by the ZH broadcasting corp.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:52 | 2579020 magpie
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It does betray some fractures among those involved. Though when i first heard of it a while back i suspected it might also be a good cover for rising interest rates...quite obvious actually but don't ask me where or when.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:37 | 2579010 fiddy pence haf...
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Is this 'discovery', 3 years after ZH wagged it in front of their faces,

enough to end the international ponzi?

I'm not sure.

You see, Englanders are great at appearing shocked about immorality

while being up to their eyeballs in it themselves. Parliamentarians

are just the best of the bunch at hypocrisy.

They'll set up an enquiry, because some big, connected people will have broken some serious laws, and the government doesn't want these oligarchs to go to jail. They take 3 years to study it, and another 5 to not produce a proper review.

Meanwhile, a hot issue becomes academic and historical.

This is how Tony Blair can be repeatedly shown to be an international war criminal and yet still ponce around collecting cheques from

oil companies he had done some work for, in Iraq.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 19:07 | 2579409 dreadnaught
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isnt UK debt to GDP level at 950- 1000% But London is the center if it all so they go scot free

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:09 | 2579491 MFL8240
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Disgusting bastards!

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