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Bankia Parent Revises 2011 "Profit" Of €41 Million to €3.3 Billion Loss

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It is rather amazing what one finds when a company which previously had allegedly posted a profit of €41 million, somehow becomes insolvent, needs a nationalization to avoid a full out liquidation, and gets bailed out by the state. One of the first things one finds is that the profit pitched to that particular class of gullible idiots, known as shareholders, was an outright lie. And yes, on that one very rare occasion when an auditor refuses to sign off on a bank's financials, in this case Deloitte, run far, and run fast. Instead what one finds is a massive loss. From Reuters: "BFA, the parent group of nationalized Spanish bank Bankia said on Monday it had restated its 2011 results to reflect a 3.3 billion euro loss, rather than a 41 million euro profit, following a bailout from the state. In a statement to the stock exchange regulator, BFA said the restated loss reflected a review of its loan portfolios and capital needs after a new audit and as part of the clean-up plan implemented by the government." Well, duh, something "new" better be reflected, or else the general public may just get the impression that banks are merely pulling numbers out of their glutes, that the entire balance sheet, income and cash flow statements are just a jumble of utter BS, and that keeping one's deposits in a system predicated on lies and fraud may not be the smartest thing. But no: that would imply one is inciting a bank run, and that is frowned upon by the very same government which does everything in its power to facilitate just the data manipulation that magically results in a profitable bank being on the verge of liquidation.

But that's not all. According to Spain's Expansion, the total loss could be far worse, more than double the just reported, to a total of €7 billion. Google translated:

Following a meeting of more than four hours, the board of directors of the entity on Monday approved the restated financial statements. Bankia matrix provided only consolidated data for the year 2011, yielding a loss of 3.318 million euros. However, individual losses would amount to 7,000 million BFA, according to financial sources.

 

The consolidated balance sheet losses gave the fruit of Bankia own numbers, which on Friday announced that it obtained a negative result of 2.979 million in 2011. In previous accounts, unaudited, BFA had lost 439 million in individual accounts, while recognized in consolidated profit of 41 million.

 

The red numbers are mainly due to the development of fair value of the share itself has BFA Bankia (52% in December 2011).

Indicatively, the move from a profit to a €7 billion loss, in a US context, is roughly the same as if US bank holding company X were to go from being profitable to posting a nearly $100 billion loss. Overnight. But only after the FDIC was invited to backstop the firm's suddenly underwater hundreds of billions in deposits.

Oops.

Luckily, there is always only one cockroach (ahem JP Morgan prop desk), and we are absolutely confident the €7 billion total loss, when officially announced will be the final one. Just as the final bailout bill of €19 billion will not be topped. Or was that €25 billion?

And nobody will need a European bailout. Ever.

 


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Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:15 | Link to Comment johnconnor
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Enron accounting as its best

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:19 | Link to Comment THX 1178
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This should be a big deal, but i'm so desensitized. Won't the crash just come soon?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Colombian Gringo
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Another day, another bankster accounting fraud. Nothing to see here, move along.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 23:52 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Glutes FTW!! I luv this site! :>D

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Bleeding Fart
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Amazing. These numbers are kind of unreal at this point, no? I remember talking about the Panana Canal redo project with a friend from Europe and said to him, "Oh, it's only US$ 5 billion?"

And he said, "um... that's 5 billion."

me: "yeah, one aircraft carrier, or a few stealth bombers. whatevs."

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 00:38 | Link to Comment zorba THE GREEK
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Accounting firm for bank: " WHOOPS "

Bank spokesperson: " Just a rounding error, sorry. "

Bank customer: " I would like to withdraw all my funds, please. "

Government:" Sorry, there's a 1000 Euro limit on withdraws. "

Advice; Get your money out of banks now, buy PMs, before it's too late.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:44 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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The answer is no.  Not soon

Every entity in power is maneuvering and inventing complexity designed to buy time. That many people all focused on that one thing will indeed buy time.

There are no plans for solution.  The only plans are to buy time.  

The end will come suddenly in a way that provides the time buyers an excuse that if such and such had only not happened, they would have had time to fix things.

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:23 | Link to Comment D-2
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<< There are no plans for solution.  The only plans are to buy time. >>

Brilliant choice of words.  I hope I can remember them.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 06:34 | Link to Comment neidermeyer
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It'll all be solved when the banksters all buy their farms in New Zealand and have a stash of PM's in the basement. The solution will be that there will no longer be anyone left who cares to pretend.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment Ying-Yang
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And they promise to never ever do it again!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Matt
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Problems have solutions. What we have here is a predicament. 

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 01:54 | Link to Comment jumblies
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Not sure if I'm desensitised or just amused at this point. I mean, if a large financial company full of financial professionals can't tell the difference between a reasonable profit and a serious loss, how bad are things in the non-financial companies not full of financial professionals? Hmm, perhaps not so bad at all.

 

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 06:43 | Link to Comment neidermeyer
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Oh I used to be disgusted
And now I try to be amused.
But since their wings have got rusted,
You know, the angels wanna wear my red shoes.
But when they told me 'bout their side of the bargain,
That's when I knew that I could not refuse.
And I won't get any older, now the angels wanna wear my red shoes.

Oh-oh.

I was watching while you're dancing away.
Our love got fractured in the echo and sway.
How come everybody wants to be your

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 02:10 | Link to Comment prains
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the couch giveth, the couch taketh away

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 04:24 | Link to Comment Nachdenken
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Wishes are horses but the banksters ride.  And ride on.  And on..

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:20 | Link to Comment LasVegasDave
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Got any weed?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:24 | Link to Comment Silver Bug
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And now it sounds like Greece is FINALLY going to leave the EURO?!

 

http://silverliberationarmy.blogspot.ca/

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:06 | Link to Comment sharky2003
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If the Greeks are soo good at cheating, why can't TPTB in Greece just stuff the ballot box for the pro-bailout parties and declare victory?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:32 | Link to Comment macholatte
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Greece Pours $22.6 Billion Into Four Biggest Banks

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47591006

 

 

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 04:30 | Link to Comment Nachdenken
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and Switzerland prepares for an Euro Crash. German news :  http://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Schweiz-beugt-Euro-Crash-vor-article637054...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:38 | Link to Comment stocktivity
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Futures are up...rally on!  It's all Bullshit!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Whoa Dammit
Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:36 | Link to Comment Matt
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good call, but a few hours behind the times:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/start-zombie-apocalypse-caught-tape

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:26 | Link to Comment Whoa Dammit
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Not behind the times at all--this is new (tonite) and identifies the guy who was eating face, (and gives quite a bit of background on him) You would have seen this if you had opened the link.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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Well now...this should certainly ramp futures. Bullish!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:24 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Soon, very soon we will see an Enron event.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:38 | Link to Comment max2205
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Rule 1: when the shit hits the fan, write off anything and everything that smells or is going to smell soon.

SOP

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:09 | Link to Comment WhiteNight123129
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Off topic, Russell Napier is detailing how to currency crisis would come in the US.

http://www.ft.com/home/us

Check out "Ubber-bear see value in Europe", he discusses how the Treasuries market would freeze.

So either default or monetizing to the roof.

Best,

Geoffrey.

 

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 00:24 | Link to Comment StavropolJames
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There's an old golfing joke that goes like this.  Two guys finish a par three and one guy reports his score as a 4.  The other guys says, "4?? You took 3 shots in the sand trap alone!"  The first guys then says, "Oh, yah.  Give me an 11." 

How is this Bankia report any diffrent than the golfing joke?

Shouldn't we at least start to smile or maybe snicker at financial reports right off the bat instead of waiting for the punch line?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment Conman
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And when spanish debt blows out even more the EuroPeoples will be on the hook sicne they retardedly accepted bonds as collateral for eurocash to bail out bankia. This level of ponzi-dom is mind blowing.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment knukles
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Don't forget the FED

They got All Fucking Sorts of European Horse Shit Collateral with the Swap Lines, etc.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:22 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Serious but niave question, would it be possible for the Fed to de-hypocate that collateral and divide it up bewteen the european owers of the Fed. Essetially buying back its shares with/to the eurotrash on its balance sheet?

Then the fed can reboot itself?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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umm its on the US books now, socialized, why in god's name would they move it? Unless they purchased something EVEN more toxic with it.

 

LOL!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:02 | Link to Comment wisefool
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I was thinking it could be a placation move. The US sheeple are waking up. Having the fed is one thing, but when people find out its biggest shareholders are foriegn banks/families they might get even more woke up and on the wrong side of the bed. I am not being sarcastic here. probably naive, but not sarcastic.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:19 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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o m g.

what percentage are "waking up"?

what percentage are willing to take action?

what action?

lol.

game over.

Herding Cats.

Follow Ron Paul?  OMG, another puppet!

Follow the Constitution? OMG, its a Bill for DEBT.

see the line after lol.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:45 | Link to Comment wisefool
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I think it the % is over 20% and growing. the MSM is losing eyeballs in the millions. People are looking for answers to  why the economy machine is not working anymore. The us system with Ben running the printing press and timmay runing the tax code is messed up enough. Dimon being on his own oversight board at the fed has people scratching their heads. Finding out that both the fed and the IMF are predominantly funded by US IRS, and are owned by foriegn interests might get them to stop watching DWTS and MMA long enough to send their congres person an email.

If I was Ben. I'd do it. He'd be a national hero.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment wee-weed up
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The reason why the MSM is losing eyeballs in the millions is because they adamantly refused to properly vet Barack Obama before the election in 2008 and thus saddled us with the worst president in American history. They know he is destroying the country, but they continue to protect his ineptness. The reason? Can't say anything derogatory against the first black president. It is political correctness (PC) taken to blatant and ruinous extremes.

It will destroy them... and the sooner the better!

Obama? He's self destructing very nicely on his own.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:53 | Link to Comment knukles
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No.

The collateral is held against the swaps, not against the equity position of its shareholders.
Two entirely different premises.
And in nay case were they one and the same, it would either simply be a repayment of the swap line in exchange for the collateral or a collateral subsitution.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:39 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Thanks. I thought I'd give it a try. I mean if Legarde is going to use IMF funds on the old continent, why not let the Euroes take care of themselves with their own central bank. (Excuse for TPTB being "we can't help our own because all out capitol is tied up in the US FED")

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:45 | Link to Comment Hulk
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JPM with its interest rate swaps should get even more interesting...Can you say "infinite losses" ???

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:23 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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debts-tbt-bail out?

Oh! At the last second 100% of these assets was "Sold to US" thus saving certain banking system failure!

Zounds!  What foreward thinking action by the Plunge Team!

What next for the crew of the Minnow?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:54 | Link to Comment Freebird
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Which means all lucky American taxpayers are by default shareholders in this clusterfuck.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment knukles
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We got Facebook
And you got Bankia
We been analed and
You be Wankeas

Let's call the whole thing off

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:36 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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California Uber Alles!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:13 | Link to Comment Harnar
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Nice one! California above all (with debt and Jello Biafra).... unless you got it from "the social network" then -1 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment SHEEPFUKKER
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Was Houdini a banker?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:19 | Link to Comment knukles
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He was the senior banker at Goldilocks who came upon the sure fire deal of doubling your money by folding it in half.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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JPMX

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:19 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Once the Gov announces "bailout" the sky's the limit. The more the merrier.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:19 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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No biggie, they left the 3 billion in their other pants. Happens to me all the time.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:20 | Link to Comment Zola
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Tyler, we all know this is the case for all G-7 banks since 2009 when they suspended reality and we have all been prisoners of the Bernanke Hallucination Chamber ever since... May we be able to escape one day... 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:55 | Link to Comment knukles
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The Matrix?
Can you escape?

To answwer a question with a question, I don't know; "Can you escape?"

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Death is the only escape. Or maybe Club Med...Medicated, that is...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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"Yes You Can..."

Vanuatu real estate for sale. Hi-speed broadband. Full cellular coverage. Power and water. Anonymous banking. No taxes.

http://www.ck.com.vu/listings/ressale/p/140

(I did, you can too, not that hard)

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:21 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Accountants?!

We don't need no stinkin accountants!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:16 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Is that pre-fit vs. PROfit?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:22 | Link to Comment Agent P
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Forgot to carry the 1.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:24 | Link to Comment Bill D. Cat
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Revise , rinse , repeat . The new three R's .

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Hulk
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This summer is building up to a big implosion. Germany demanding its gold be delivered will be the icing on the cake

Get gold while you can, comex leverage at 40 to 1 ain't going to cut it when the gig is up, and its about up...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Alpacanio
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My money is in July this whole thing topples. Maybe around the 4th? 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:28 | Link to Comment Sutton
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Our banks are so far ahead of Spain's.  WaMu, FanFred etc pulled this stunt in '07-08.

No shyster banksters  ever go to jail or drowns in bathtubs.  Only peak oil "nuts".

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Peak oilers drown in hot tubs. Drowning in bathtubs went out with the 70's...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:53 | Link to Comment RoadKill
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If you are trying to imply some kind of conspiracy in Matt Simmons death you are a nut case, and you do his memory no service by doing so. I worked for Matt from 97-03. I knew him well. He was part of Bush's energy advisory panel, not a peak oil nutbag. He simply believed we were out of CHEAP (ie $20 Saudi crude) oil.

Btw even back then MRS had blood pressure and weight issues. And he loved wine and cigars. Once a Secratary told him it was illegal to smoke in an office if you had more then 100 employees, and his resoonse was that if people had a problem with it he could always find a way to get to 99 employees. So wine, cugar, high blood pressure and weight problems dont go well with hot tubs at 65+. Hell I have to get out of a hot tub after 10 min at 37.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:59 | Link to Comment Hulk
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I am a nut case (just ask my wife), but no, I do not believe Simmons was suicided...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:03 | Link to Comment Joe The Plumber
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Well! Based upon an anonymous post my complete trust in our rulers has been fully restored

Thank you!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:33 | Link to Comment johnnyyuma
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Bankia, MF Global, Enron, same damn same nobody knows where the dough went. No one is responsible. Iceland to the power of 10. Biggun scams coming home to roost.

 

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment GrinandBearit
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We never miss a chance... we get up and dance and do the Curly shuffle!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Tom Green Swedish
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Accounting Fraud.  They hired some consultants from Lehman Brothers.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:41 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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Liquidity is the optiate......Debt destruction is the medicine.

The space between the optiate and the medicine will determine what states survive and what states end up in some sort of "failed state" limbo.

Debt repudiation is the the only viable solution. The pain should be born by unsecured and in some cases secured debt holders. The longer the EU makes taxpayers back-stop banks and by extension sovereigns, the more likely that "failed state" limbo is accompained by social unrest. 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:14 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Debt jubilee has always been the answer, not monetization.

Sacrificing the future for the present leaves no future for anyone while at the same time diminishing present wages/earnings/labor.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:42 | Link to Comment The Fonz...befo...
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Yes this is such shit...a mea culpa oh sorry for misstating our numbers..here are the real numbers

Please don't ask for disgorgement of ill gotten gains from officers and insiders and large institutional holders who were able to trade out their positions based on such bullshit numbers...

Nortel in Canada was notorious for this.....

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:09 | Link to Comment Joe The Plumber
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I would be interested in looking at insider stock sales over the last six months

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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"3.3 billion euro loss, rather than a 41 million euro profit"

Minor book keeping error.  So sorry.  Move along, nothing to see here...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Hulk
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The fraud and corruption on both continents is absolutely sickening...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:44 | Link to Comment WmMcK
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Fraudian Slip.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:43 | Link to Comment news printer
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HAHAHA BANKIA" "The Spanish newspaper, El Mundo fanned the fear by claiming that a further €30bn was required to rescue four other banks, CatalunyaCaixa, Novagalicia, Banco de Valencia."

www.rybinski.eu

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9296111/Mariano-Rajoy...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:44 | Link to Comment cdskiller
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Derivatives instruments will always be the tools of criminals. There is no way to allow their use and prevent their abuse. They must be banned like any other tax evasion or accounting scheme.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:46 | Link to Comment XRAYD
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How long before the same revelation is made about the "highly rated collateral" in Bernanke's closet, which supposedly is shipping profits to Geithner's treasury every quarter on behalf of the tax payers, and said collateral is found to be the worthless "residue" on Ben's books?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:56 | Link to Comment westboundnup
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Loc'ed after dark.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:59 | Link to Comment Freebird
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The Spanish left two things wherever they went - religion & corruption. Anyone expecting the best here is de lu sion al. Geddit?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment spdrdr
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Don't forget - it's three things - religion, corruption, and ruthless efficiency.

No - sorry, four things:  religion, corruption, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical dedication to the Pope.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:02 | Link to Comment Conman
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OT: kyle bass might being getting paid soon, Bloomberg just flashed Japanese jobless rate higher than expected.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:12 | Link to Comment bsdetector
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Has the ECB impliedly pledged its full faith and credit behind every bank that is capitalized by the Euro? Can the ECB just cut and run when it has offered up so much at this point? How will the ECB explain the losses to Greek bank depositors from other Euro nations? I suggest we are looking at new legal obligations that were not previously considered. In the US everyone knows the limit of FDIC insurance and is forewarned that deposits in excess of such are subject to losses; Euro area banks have no such limitation. If I am a Euro depositor I'd be looking to the ECB to recover my loss of deposit.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:49 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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The result will be the same as we just had in the US with the mortgage fraud.  The banksters will just pay a small fine to the various governments and get a "get out of jail free card" for all of these sins.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment supersajin
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Either way, 2012 will be the last year in the "system as usual" mode for world markets.  October suprise?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:12 | Link to Comment Joe The Plumber
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When confidence wanes to the point that someone yelling bank run can cause a collapse of course the yeller is the evul one, not the governments and bankers who caused the loss of confidence.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:15 | Link to Comment magpie
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Somehow, a bank run might even be bullish.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:26 | Link to Comment bsdetector
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A bank run back stopped by the ECB is the only way Greeks are going to get new fiat into the country. The citizens of Greece are forcing the hand of the ECB.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:46 | Link to Comment Joe The Plumber
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So far it is working. The greek people are ending up with the cash in the mattress and germany is holding even more IOUs from Target 2

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:54 | Link to Comment Rubbish
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I wish gas would last longer than 1 year, that is what I think will become very valuable. I can see a 5 gal. can of gas going for $200 when the SHTF, whereas I think gold/silver are going to decrease.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:19 | Link to Comment adr
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It isn't just the banks. It is nearl every public traded corporation. You're dreaming if you think anyone sells half what they claim.

Take away future booking of profit, inventory counted as an asset, and bring back some form of mark to market. In an instant billion dollar profits become billion dollar losses.

Just like how welfare causes overbreedin in the ghetto. Current accounting practices cause overproduction. America actually doesn't overconsume. At least 50% of all the product produced doesn't ever make it to the hands of a consumer. It is created to pump stock valuations, not to actually sell. Take away the incentive to juice a stock so insiders can sell, and half the inventory disappears.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:24 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Trying to suck in the Germans.  We are close to having everything solved, we just need x billion euros more.  6 months later, we are close to having everything solved, we just need xx billion euros more.  6 months later, we are close to having everything solved, we just need xxx billion euros more.  6 months later.......

(notice I didn't use rinse and repeat because I know there are members that are sick of that phrase but....)

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:49 | Link to Comment Joe The Plumber
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Those stupid greeks seem pretty smart to me

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 00:12 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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for (i = 1; ; i++)

{

printf( "We just need %f billion Euroz more...\n", amt );

amt *= 10.0;

sleep( 15552000 ); // # of seconds in 6 months (avg)

}

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:24 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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Fat finger?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:25 | Link to Comment FieldingMellish
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And to think that banks where once places where you wanted to keep your money. What interesting times these are indeed.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:26 | Link to Comment papaswamp
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What faux accounting?! The best part is so many don't realize this is rampant at so many banks world wide.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Some Bloke
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Spot on!

Mark-to-market when bullshit asset valuations are being assed by valuers in the worldwide banking-accounting-insurance scam, the forgeddaboutit when the valuations crash back to normal.  No where's my bonus?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:53 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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I think the real scary thing is that these losses don't include mark-to-market accounting losses.  These banks have negative infinity of positive assets.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Mike in GA
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"Indicatively, the move from a profit to a €7 billion loss, in a US context, is roughly the same as if US bank holding company X were to go from being profitable to posting a nearly $100 billion loss."

I don't get the math here.  Can someone explain why this isn't just a straight currency translation?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:54 | Link to Comment Joe The Plumber
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That is when compared as a proportion of GDP

Spanish GDP is so much smaller than USA GDP

A seven billion dollar hit to their banking system is the same as a hundred billion dollar hit to ours.

And that was just one bank. But remember there is never more than one cockroach lol

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:49 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Of course the Spanish bailout mechanism doesn't even have the funds to bail out Bankia.  They only have about 4.4 billion euros left BEFORE Bankia's bailout.  

To put some of these numbers in perspective for Spain, they're science budget is only around 5 or so billion euros a year. 

Will they dare to go to the markets to make up the difference? Nope they'll use gov't bonds instead. 

Glass-Steagall

 

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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HAHAHAHA

We were making a profit, up till we found out our losses would be covered.....

And people wonder why bankers are hated?

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:52 | Link to Comment veyron
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What's a few Billion EUROs between friends?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:54 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Once RISK was transferred out of the financial system to the taxpayers, we stomped on the gas pedal and pointed the bus to the cliff.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:58 | Link to Comment gimli
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Jaime just made another announcement, "upon further review we determined that rather then a growing multi-billion dollar loss, we've come full circle and are presently 41 million in the black."

Why not? Sounds like a believable number to me

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:01 | Link to Comment midgetrannyporn
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Bonuses are based on anticipated revenue. It's all good.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:02 | Link to Comment riley martini
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 Just like the accounting at fannie and freddie when the DNC was busting those two corporation out and robbing the shareholders. When shareholders were shocked by the losses at fannie the CFO revised the numbers to show a record profit.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:04 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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this is an old trick we usta use selling salve from door-to-door to  shelter current income, er, candy purchases, so our moms would kick down

this is now 22Bil EUR needed from mom? 

...and...action!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:11 | Link to Comment Dr. Gonzo
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I saw almost the exact same thing happen in a scene from this movie:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GSXbgfKFWg

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:16 | Link to Comment Rastamon
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Toilet and Douche ... uhh i mean Deloitte and Touche caught cookin the books again? yeah, would have NEVER guessed that

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:04 | Link to Comment Matt
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You misread. They refused to sign off on the books, because they were cooked.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:32 | Link to Comment jarrollin
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We have a 41 billion euro profit...errr...I mean a 3 billion euro loss....actually, it was a 41 billion euro profit until we factored in the losses...those numbers really ripped out the profits, to say the least...we should just admit, we basically suck at this...please shoot us now.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Matt
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it's Turbo Taxes fault, it didn't highlight in red the part where you sort out the brackets and the decimal places and the zeroes.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Makes me wonder what JPM's and BAC's books really look like. I don't think this is just "a Spanish problem." Although it'll be spun that way.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:40 | Link to Comment valkir
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OT-anyone in Europe ,please give me good site for on-line buy of "barbaric"stuff.Danke shoine in advance.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment traknologist
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This is kinda like when a tsunami starts and the water at the beach recedes! 2 minutes later.....

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 23:35 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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If I was at the beach in Thailand on Dec 24th I would have had no idea what was happening. I swear I learned nothing in my 20 years of schooling.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Cosimo de Medici
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Europeans are playing Olympic Whack-a-Mole.  Just when it looked like the Mea Culpa Coalition (okay, Latin, not Greek) was taking the lead in the Greek polls, which would somehow save (sic) the euro and EU, Spain pops up with yet more sovereign debt and a larger hole in its banking system.  And Italy is waiting in the wings, just in case the sun also rises in Spain.  Record euro shorts?  Didn’t Pets.com and Lehman have record shorts at the end, too?

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 02:39 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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This would be great material for Dilbert.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 03:21 | Link to Comment Olympia
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Loan sharks knew that if they took the dollars printing machines under their control they could suffocate the world ...they could initially suffocate USA and after taking the USA from the Americans, they could move and suffocate the whole world and take the countries from their people.

FED printed cheap money and loansharking multiplied this money in an unnatural way within the American economy boarders and they discarded them abroad so that they did not threaten USA. USA became the first state in the world with artificial “breathing”...

It cannot be possible but just in the USA for only the last year, more than one million houses were seized. It cannot be impossible but the New World has returned to tents and shelters ..has returned to the ages of Columbus. It cannot be possible that we allow to a few loan sharks looting the toils and the assets of people...

http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html

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Global Debt Crisis

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 04:48 | Link to Comment cnhedge
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The European Debt Redemption (ERF) Fund in a Nutshell New
http://www.cnhedge.com/thread-5552-1-1.html

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 05:00 | Link to Comment cnhedge
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The European Debt Redemption (ERF) Fund in a Nutshell New
http://www.cnhedge.com/thread-5552-1-1.html

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 08:22 | Link to Comment falak pema
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IT IS  scandalous that the bank should pull this skeleton out of the cupboard precisley when it declared a profit; it is even more scandalous that one of its top managers gets severance package of 13.8 million Euros for doing his "good" work in this huge crap house. Imagine a small guy gets the boot and no severance pay for professional fault of minor nature, wheras the boss man gets a golden handshake. There wont be enuff lamposts in the country...

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 08:31 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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thats the hardest part holmes......the compensation for running a PUBLIC company into the ground.....

 

THEY WOULD NEVER PULL THIS SHIT IF IT WERE THEIR OWN COMPANY......NO WAY NO HOW.....

 

They only try to kill themselves when it's not their lives at stake!

 get it?

 

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 09:14 | Link to Comment falak pema
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No I don't, Dick Fuld would prove you wrong like all the others! You seem to be one eyed Jack if you think greed doesn't kill the private banksta plutocrats! Its greed that is now a culture of banksta cabal, the public ones playing copy cat to their bigger private sector brothers of SCAM! Greed kills all sense of proportion.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 08:30 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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Pull whatever bullshit numbers you want out of your hat. Funny how companies ALWAYS beat by 1 penny.... "it's a put on....a put on...." fucking joke.

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