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Barclays On Brazil Rate Cut: "Unexpected...Unprecedented"

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Feeling like one of the 62 sellside analysts tonight, all of whom had no idea Brazil would cut its overnight rate by 50 bps? Wondering what this "unexpected, unprecedented" move means for Brazil? Curious what the implications of this shocking announcement are? Here is Barclays which while still shellshocked, is the first to try to put lipstick on the pig that the BRIC economy suddenly has become.

From Barclays : Brazil: Shock and awe strategy - Copom unexpectedly cuts Selic rate 50bp.


 


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Wed, 08/31/2011 - 22:49 | Link to Comment chump666
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What we know is this, Sth Korea/Tawian/Singapore sans Japan's and China's fudgy numbers is that Asia is slowing down and probably hard. 

China is on course sending the global economy into a major depression

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:58 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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fukushima has put a permanent drag on japan and it won't ever get better and by that i mean forever. what is happening there now, has world wide ramifications and this will come out over time for everyone. the question is, simple. how can you fix something if you cannot get near it to work on it without dying?

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:22 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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chump and HPD,

Yes, Asia looks like it is about to implode if BRAZIL is cutting.  My eyes will be on Peru (of course), they are at least as exposed to commodity exports to China, Japan and elsewhere.

Brazil, over the past few years has a had a LOT of success selling manufactured products (like VW trucks) to Peru over the past few years.

Brazil is one of the important canaries to keep an eye on.

HPD, I share your dire concerns about Fukushima being a catastrophe that will also be another big part of pulling the world down...

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HPD.  If I were to buy, say, 100 acres as a retreat in Texas, what counties ought I look at?

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:26 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Why would you want to buy Texas land? Assuming you aren't speaking of politics, there's better land to be had in Nebraska, Colorado, etc.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:30 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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I used to live in Texas.  Nebraska and Colorado are a bit cold to my taste.

I have heard nice things about the states mentioned at survivalblog.com (something like the Fortress States) like Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado, eastern Oregon, etc.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 01:52 | Link to Comment delacroix
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why not stake a mining claim, or two. lots of lattitude on what you can do. minimal cash outlay.  I think it's 40 acres per

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:32 | Link to Comment chump666
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So what you are saying is if Brazil slows so does Peru on trade deals?  Thus South America going into a recession/stagflation?  Good point.  Actually the whole of South America will be an excellent bell-weather for China, be looking at Argentina also for signs.

I think that the rate cut will be a slow burn panic, already (on wires) investment banks are going into damage control on the Brazilian rate cut.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:39 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Yeah, I guess that is what I am saying: a correlation between exporters of South America.

I know Peru well.  I only visited Brazil for two days.

I talk with my in-laws in Peru almost every day about our business (importing rolling bearings for cars and commercial vehicles there in Lima).  Often our sales are a good indicator of the state of Peru's economy.  Lower exports and a bad economy, fewer people can fix their cars...  Kind of the opposite of what you would expect.

Business in Peru (up til now anyway) has been booming for years...

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Potemkin Nation
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What do you think the chances are that Peru would ever nationalize parts of its mining industry?

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 11:55 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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We have not heard Humala say much since he won the election, but I would say there is a fairly high chance that he could either nationalizr or raise taxes on the miners.  Or support striking miners...

He got money (illegaly under Peruvian law) from Chavez, and has spouted off like him.

I would wait a year or two before even thinking about buying Peruvian miners because of these risks.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Potemkin Nation
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Thanks

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 02:18 | Link to Comment NetDamage
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You need really obidient sheep?

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 22:50 | Link to Comment Blorf
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The more countries that join in Bernanke's fiat suicide pact, the higher the price of gold (and everything else tangible).  How many bikini waxings will it cost to buy a loaf of bread next year? 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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Just another fiat currency and banking system sliding down the ways to Davy Jones locker.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 01:30 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Well LJS, now imagine if the loosest monetary regime in  he world, to the surprise of the world, begins a tightening in September? 

Add a bit of QE by whatever name (Mortgage buying, SNAP expanding, Swap increasing, anything BUT printing) and the "world" could be in for a super shocker. India has been on a bit of a tightening spree lately, but unfortunately, except for it's billion plus consumers, I don't think the world really understands what a hollow and meaningless story India's recent rise and shine has been.

Just like Fx, we will son see whip-saw action in CB rates around the world. A race to the bottom....tch...

V

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/humor-me/

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 22:53 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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Tyler's:

You people are hardcore. I love the tenacity. I'm actually shocked by it. I haven't found better truth telling anywhere else.

Shock and awe.

Timing is the bitch though, this monster dies hard.

Thanks for what you do though people. Seriously, thank you.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 22:54 | Link to Comment Waffen
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In relative terms can someone enlighten me as to how much of a change 50bps is in regards to the "Selic Rate?"

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:08 | Link to Comment tekhneek
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Use your imagination over a compounded borrowing schedule using time frames like, oh, say, 5-10 years.

Now, do that with a few trillion dollars.

It makes a pretty huge difference.

But, is this actually deflationary? I think so. I'm a "hyperinflationist" but, that cut was a far cry from the upcoming "hyperinflation" we all expect or, I'm wrong again and, it's incredibly inflationary and the markets will just take off tomorrow on the "new liquidity"

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:14 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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Down to 12% now... started the year at 8.75% per year.

To put things in a real economy perspective a good credit card will charge your revolving credit around 13% per *month*.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:04 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Brazil just needs to buy a 1 year Greece government bill at 60% yield. All worries will be behind them.

/sarc

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:12 | Link to Comment tekhneek
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Were you being sarcastic?

/sarc <-- Very unnecessary. You don't need to point out sarcasm. I read the stuff you type.

Seriously though, how much longer can the T-bill BS keep going? 2.2% w/ a 3.x% CPI? And that number, the CPI, c'mon? That is the funniest shit. Almost as funny as the unemployment numbers. How many more ways can you be not working? Overly mal-employed or some shit? I can't wait for the next metric.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:14 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Some don't understand. I have to do the /sarc out of moral obligation. winks.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:16 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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My sarcasm meter is practically non-functional.  I appreciate it when I read that someone IDs his words as sarcasm.  So, No. 2 green for you!

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:33 | Link to Comment Blorf
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The Fed is flooding the market with put options on T-Bills.  This artificially decreases their yield, because people think they have insurance on their purchases.  Until they realize the massive fraud of buying insurance on a bond from the same people selling them the bond, there is no floor to yield.  BAC, a manifestly insolvent institution, only pays 0.15% interest to depositors because of FDIC insurance.  The same idea is at work here, except for the epic fraud aspect.

 

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Mr. Mandelbrot
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To be honest, I don't really know what this means, but if it furthers the cause of of the global ponzi blowing up, I'm all for it.  I'm a firm believer that our goal should be the prosperity of yesteryear, where a single, middleclass breadwinner could provide and more for the family while the stay-at-home spouse trains and rears the kids.  With all of the technological advances in agronomy and such, it seems to me that the average Joe should be doing at least as well if not better while his/her standard of living is increasing in terms of hours worked, vacation time, work stress, etc.  Unfortunately, all the social and standard of living metrics are going backwards.  We're overworked and depressed as a people.  The system is broken for most and the sooner we realize this and sharpen our pitchforks the better.  The only way up, is down [Jesus] . . .

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:14 | Link to Comment pods
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I have thought about this as well.  Why are we working harder while seeing less gains?

Two words:
Compound Interest.

pods 

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 04:22 | Link to Comment Thorlyx
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Try energy prices. In the old days oil was 3 bucks, now it over 100. Oil is in every product Joe needs to buy. Do the math.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 06:41 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Try the people who control compound interest also control oil prices and we are all getting "skimmed".

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 07:45 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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that and overbreeding

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:26 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Just the first BRIC in the wall that's coming undone, along with the U.S., Japan & Europe.

We're entering a global depression, which will see a contraction on a scale never seen before, as the world is more interwoven than ever.

There are many causes, but fractional reserve banking, using inherently worthless fiat, created out of thin air (Hayek warned of this, and we're going to see the results of Hayek's warnings going unheeded for a century now, and it's going to be brutal), and central planning by Central Banksters and governments, picking winners and losers and whom to subsidize and to not subsidize (resulting in massive misallocation of capital and massive bubbles and massive interference with price discovery and the supply/demand curve), are two of the biggest factors.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:12 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Great series.

That's a great series, and while he talks at length about the global realignment, he should spend more time on the core problem of how once economic growth is necessitated by massive debt expansion, the system literally cannibalizes itself (metaphor that's commonly used is snake eating its own tail), which will always be the case with a fractional reserve banking reliant economy.

Hayek's boom bust cycle working together with G. Edward Griffin's season of 'harvest' is a great framework by which to view the current events we're all observing.

That gentleman is a graduate of both the Harvard Business School & U.S. Military Academy, and it's interesting to hear someone speak such truth given that kind of background. And refreshing.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 05:13 | Link to Comment myne
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On the topic of the season of harvest, it boggles my mind that in a world where the major religions all follow variants of one, that is based on the 'biible' and its original texts, that everyone has completely missed one of the basic lessons contained within it.

This lesson is both a moral lesson and a historical account that is most likely fact and therefore is likely to be identical in each version of the text. This means it should be impossible to have missed this lesson.

The lesson is, that in Egypt back then, there was a distinct cyclical nature of their harvests. Roughly 7 years, which correlates to the el nino cycle. 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine.

The way they were forced to tackle this problem was straight forward. Some great economist or historian must have pointed out the cycle, and long before Minsky, concluded that the boom was the problem. Or rather, not so much the boom, but the behaviour during a boom.

So they modified their behaviour in a manner similar to what Keynes recommended. During the boom they saved their grain so that they might eat during the bust. Keynes gets a lot of flack for his government intervention in the business cycle during the bust, but his model has been distorted. They are not saving during the boom! Therefore of course it makes no sense to spend during the bust.

We really do have to return to this ancient Egyptian model. While the agricultural aspect has become less relevant with better logistics offering better diversification against harvest risk, the business cycle is similar to the 7 years of plenty and the 7 years of famine. It inspires the same behaviours as you would expect during a lengthy run of good harvests. People become complacent, and fail to save for the drought. Finance becomes increasingly loose, and ultimately, the rains fail to come one year and we're all surprised.

How on earth can we claim to be surprised when, believe in it or not, the original documents that serve as the fondation for Christian, Jewish and Muslim beliefs - and thus serve as a big chunk of the foundation of our collective civilisations - outlined in detail both the problem and the solution?!

I think the answer to that question lies in our belief in progress. We think that because we know more, and make better stuff, that we are superior in nature to our ancestors. It's a concept that implies that intellectual and technological evolution also evolves us. I think the creationists should agree with me more here, but they're just as likely to believe that we're somehow more evolved than our great, great ancestors. Ironic, I think.

But underneath every human being's knowledge and generations of actual physical evolution of our brains sizes, lies the foundation that has not changed at all in milennia.

It's the primitive emotional brain. The reptilian brain if you prefer, that is literally almost identical to a crocodiles.

That's where we get the feelings that control the direction our logical mind takes to justify our positions and actions.

We actually believe that because we have built better tools that we are different to the apes. It's a feeling we get, and we justify it by waving our hands at all that we have built as evidence to this claim. It's that belief that cripples our ability to apply the lessons of the past. Because this time, it really is different. The Egyptians lived in a different world we might claim, and so the lessons don't apply.

The world might have changed, but we have not.

We're totally delusional.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 06:51 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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The folks that run things do not read the Bible/Koran and are not religious.  They don't care if you have 7 years of lean or seven centuries of lean.  But if they experience a moments discomfort, you'd better duck.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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"unexpected, unprecedented"

Simply take out the 'uns' and you have Tylers' perspective. Alternately you could use, "telegraphed, megaphoned"

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:24 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Almost, not quite, but almost a Black Swan.  Keep your eyes on Brazil as an indicator.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Cdad
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The only way up, is down 

Correct.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:17 | Link to Comment pods
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This seems like a high stakes game of poker.  And the smaller economies (central banks) are folding.

The gyrations are getting larger and more spread out.  Too much leverage, and unlike 08, this time it is going to be sovereigns going boom.

pods

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:19 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Yes.

In 2008, it was banks and financials blowing up.

They're going to have sovereign company this time around.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:20 | Link to Comment chump666
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USD buying kicking in,

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:26 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Brazil was supposed to be one of only 2 BRICS that saw exports increase in Q2, while the rest of the OECD's saw a sharp drop in trade growth (1.9% down from 7.7% Q1). 

This rate cut is Bad for global growth bulls and for Real bulls (poof!). And it signals some real weakness in the once booming Brazil. I know Tyler likes to compare this year to 2010. But things are considerably more ominous. Global growth was supposed to pull the world out of depression. Not. And worse, lack fo global growth was supposed to at least make input prices cheaper. Not. Gulp!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:43 | Link to Comment chump666
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Very bad.   The China bulls are usually dumb ass investment banks in the delusion cycle i.e soft landing crapola.  I

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 01:44 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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China Bulls=Red Bulls?

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 04:24 | Link to Comment Thorlyx
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Red Bull = Yak ?

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment The Deleuzian
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we'll see Fed officials, ex-treasury guys, bank ceo's, Greenspan, Volcker, senators, congressmen, talking heads from overseas, Steve Forbes...Shit- the King of Siam, and the ghost of Steve Mcqueen all telling us to be calm this time around!!!!!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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....or scatter and duck away from the flying BS that they're afraid will stick

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:29 | Link to Comment wretch
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What, no game theory references?

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:04 | Link to Comment zorba THE GREEK
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I think that this move by Brazil is no big deal. They just want to get ahead of a slow down. They can always reverse course again

in October if they see things going the other way. We have criticized our Fed for not reacting fast enough in a slowdown.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:06 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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All waterfalls begin as a slow trickle.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 06:11 | Link to Comment fishface
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Zorba thats right there was a lot of political pressure to reduce the Selic

They talked about it a lot on monday

The idea is to be prepared of what to come.

To control the inflation the governmet pledged to reduce public spending

 

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:26 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Peru is a much smaller place than Brazil.  But, if I hear news out of there that parallels what Brazil just did (or if their exports to Asia of Cu, Ag and Au go down), I will let you know FWIW.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:28 | Link to Comment Wannabee
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Appears to be bullish for HSI, Nikkei, STI. Yawn.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:54 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Those indexes are follow the leaders. They literally do whatever U.S. markets did the day before.

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Thu, 09/01/2011 - 11:58 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1, me either.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Heh, then that ad scored a direct hit on its target audience! Disclosure: I have some br-oakley's (sat on 'em) and an ancient pair of aviators.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 06:19 | Link to Comment fishface
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fucking spammer

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 04:25 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Its a long way to the bottom for the Brics.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 05:21 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Do Chen, as you survey possibilities for your retreat, keep in mind:  Nebraska corn on the cob.......ball bearings for the bowels ! Monedas 2011 Proof, in fact, that God exists !

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 12:01 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Ha ha ha!

Monedas 2011 Worldwide Jihad Comedy Tour now drops its little nuggets on Nebraska!

Yes, I guess so: Such humor is yet indeed more proof that God exists, loves us and wants us to be happy (although Ben Franklin said that first, not a lowly bearing).

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 06:57 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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So do the BRICs cave before the USA?

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 08:01 | Link to Comment dcb
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Brazil is fucked because of the US and fed policies. first they need to realize our country is at an economic war with them, and most of the world with it's monetary policy. the only way to fight the fed is with regupations that would almot remove the country from the world market. Malaysia did the it the bast in the past. They are inflation that isn't their doing (same as we do)

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 08:21 | Link to Comment youngman
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Colombia is a good place to look at...I live in Medellin...clean..spring all year..a great lake and hour away...think Lake Powell with trees..we have gas, oil, coal, gold, nickel, silver, Emeralds, coffee, flowers, people work, its somwhat cheap... grow thier own food...no lawyers, good healthcare, some wierd labor laws, but they have everything to survive locally if the world falls apart...

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 03:01 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Thinking of Medellin made me think of Lake Powell filled with cocaine.  Maybe I watch too many movies?

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