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Is credit event? It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.
Is : Reality
As you can See : Fiction
Looks like a huge wind-up. Shiver me timbers etc.
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Ok, so explain to me then how a 50-60% writedown can possibly be considered as anything other than a credit event?
and then explain to me what the point of a CDS is if this isn't it.
and please spare me the bit about 'derivatives are for trading, not for collecting...'
Haircut taken on the creditor's initiative.
Debtor took no action to force.
No credit event.
Magic. No credit events with gold, eh...
Unless of course, you're with GLD...
Now let me see, the only way as I understand it to force a collective haircut on all creditors is through bankruptcy in one form or another. So even one fund manager insisting on full payment would effectively force either a claim for preferential treatment or a default, otherwise it is the insolvency route. I still don't see how this is not a CDS event...
Personally I find it somewhat staggering that these clowns would try to negotiate a 'market rate' based on whether they can or cannot avoid a default.
A market rate is precisely that, regardless of derivative contracts...
Time to start really benefiting from the consequences of all that 'financial innovation'...
Is this the moment of nuclear fission? Or will the communist leaders in charge of the global monetary system resort to their LAST DUTY?
“The last duty of a central banker is to tell the public the truth.” -Federal Reserve Board Vice Chairman Alan Blinder
The only time a central banker is ever going to tell you the truth is when they tell you it's over, last week, and oh by the way, here's the bill...
Please pay promptly to avoid penalties...
All of these little Euro-thingies going on are non-events. Stop worrying! This ain't no stinkin' Credit Event!
Of course they will find a way to muddle this one through, just as always. And they will keep on doing it.
Until it does not work anymore
"its a wrap"
The Fed will pay. It's the only entity that can...
Don't you just love this spreading wealth around mularky. It's just so easy, fast and well, relatively inexpensive, for me anyway.
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I'm not an expert, but it seems like it is obviously a "credit event" a trigger, if you will, setting off the CDS contracts against Greek sovereign debt. The problem is will the governing body representing the CDS financial system consider it as such. How can they not? If they do consider it a "credit event" then a bunch of money is going to be hemmorrhaging out of the banks selling the CDS contracts thus causing a major run, but in all likelihood, they will not lable it a "credit event" to prevent a complete collapse of the banking system. How many trillions have been bet against Greek debt? How much is actually backed by hard money in the CDS contracts? What will happen as a result of the moneys not being paid out per the CDS contracts will be that noone will want to buy interest in the CDS's anymore thus shutting down the whole CDS game in its entirety, thus shutting off the flow of needed income to the sovereign debt countries and entities, thus shutting off the flow of needed money to continue unending spending, entitlement programs, public pension obligations etc..etc...IMO
"...one of its members"
You just gave them an out
Cant remember the guest's name, but someone on CNBC made an observation that this was the portfolio insurance debacle redux.
If your hedges dont work you dump the crap.
Feta. Hands down.
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If this is determined NOT to be a credit event, then what about all the banks (like MS) that claim to have their European exposure hedged?
They will say "The hedges are there for a catastrophie, obviously this situation is TRANSITORY.". Move along! Move along!
ISDA isda boss ... do not argue
last one to file a federal class action lawsuit against the isda is a rotten egg!!!!!
Though, DUMPtyesque, they'll feel more like a broken egg.
Must be tough, trying to drink from a firehose.
Hmm, 40% pregnant or 60% pregnant -- something very wrong with the EU math here...
>What do you know: a Greek!
Priceless...literally. Like good ole Uncle Warren said, "When the tide goes out, you get to see who was swimming in the CDS ocean, naked or not." (Close enough for government work.)
'(Close enough for government work.)' - Now, where have I heard that saying before? The military, perhaps...
they do still use hand grenades....so..
I thought it was all done with cruise missiles these days...
hand grenades are so... yesterday...
It's Predators Droning on now actually. Cruise misslies are so yesterday, nein?
I thought the only thing 'droning on' these days was the ECB.
On the subject of Predators, I was thinking of building myself a model aeroplane and going to war with a few small countries myself...
Anyone know what it'd take to scramble a Predator uplink?
Just for educational purposes, of course.
Yep. A Browning 9 mil at the back of the head and a 'Hand over your password or I shoot your dog...'
Damn. I'm way too far away from Nevada to do that, I guess I'll have to figure out how to build an EMP device.
For educational purposes, of course.
good luck... reverse phone detective
Basically, you can't, absent a pretty powerful broad-spectrum jamming suite, which would simply make you a peachy target for an anti-radiation missile.And even that wouldn't work very well if the link is tight line-of-sight.
It's frequency agile and encrypted a bunch of ways. I know more or less how that kinda shit works (I worked on similar stuff when I was in the RAF) and I'm pretty sure (99+% sure, in fact) I couldn't do it, even with schematics of all the hardware and copies of all the code. Nor would I want to! You start messing with systems like that and innocent people are gonna get killed if it goes out of control and crashes somewhere. A couple of Hellfire warheads and a bunch of fuel would make one hell of a mess in a residential area.
I imagine they'd be pretty well shielded against EMP, too. Certainly would be if I'd designed the thing. Which leaves you the 'go up there in your Cessna and shoot it down' option. And they can shoot back, ya know.
The only hope against most modern military weapons is that the operators may refuse to employ them against domestic civilians, no matter what 'terrorist' bullshit reason they're given for doing it.
Also bear in mind that if it ever comes to military action against a domestic population in open insurrection, the dust will be wiped off all those cluster bombs, FAE bombs and hyperbaric weapons we're too civilised to use against foreigners (when the media might be watching, anyway!). Civil wars are almost always far more brutal than the foreign ones.
Reapers. Behind the times.
may not be that effective. incline treadmill
"...the only bridge in the chasm between Mark to Unicorn and reality..." Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. But CDS holders will be looking for theirs. And rightfully so.
"Do you see what happens Larry? When you fuck a stranger in the ass? DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS?!"
The selective write down on selective bonds is Sarc killing off his political enemies. Business as usual in politics. Just dust off your 2008 Fed playbook to see who was on the side of the Fed shareholders and who wasn't. Same goes with Europe. If you look to see who got a haircut, you will quickly find the list of Sarc's foes.
"The debt is absolutely sustainable now," Papandreou told a news conference after a meeting of euro zone leaders, which reached agreement with private investors on the 50 percent writedown.
Papandreou added a promise that Greece would produce no more primary budget deficits from next year.
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You guys will tell me when its time to start stockpiling weapons right
About 3 years ago....
BB22, UP is correct.
Old Chinese saying (really, no joke):
"The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time to plant a tree is NOW."
What was morgan stanley saying again about european sovereign risk net of hedging?
I believe morgan transferred all those risk assets to the parent, BOA. In that way, the losses would be dumped onto FDIC rather than the FED when BAC goes bankrupt in the near future.
EDIT: my error. I was thinking merrill lynch, not Morgan. BAC own Merrill.
No, Dr. No. That was Merrill.
Not to worry. It is hard to tell the fraudsters apart.
Yes. I added edit note same time as you replied. Thanks for watching post accuracy.
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