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The Battle For Libya Is Almost Over... As Is The Battle For Its 144 Tons Of Gold

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Following a 6 month stalemate in which neither side had attained any advantage, it suddenly took just a few days for the Libyan rebel forces to steamroll unopposed into Tripoli. While we are confident that the political aftermath of this outcome will be very much comparable to what is happening in Egypt right now, many wonder why it is that the Libyan situation has progressed with such speed. Perhaps the answer can be found in the 143.8 tons of gold held by the Libyan Central Bank. Granted it is nowhere near close the 366 tons of gold that Venezuela supposedly has per the WGC, most of it likely held offshore and not being repatriated, the question of where the global gold cartel may find some of the much needed physical to satisfy Chavez' demands has been now answered. Of course we assume that said gold has not already departed Libya in direction Caracas over the past 6 months. Which, in retrospect, we probably should, as it would explain why gold is now at $1875 and rapidly rising.

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Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:46 | 1584189 unky
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Yes really funny. Chavez requests physical gold and a few days later the rebels win in Libya. Coincidence?

Provide us with a silver chart too please ^^

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:51 | 1584210 thecoloredsky
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What would be even more funny (or ridiculous) if Chavez decided he didn't want gold anymore, but wanted his gold swapped for physical silver.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:53 | 1584216 unky
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Maybe thats the case and Chavez plans to sell some gold in anticipation for some silver, or how would someone explain the jump in silver ? hehe

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:15 | 1584296 Pladizow
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To maintain the Ponzi, the West had to find the gold some where to hand over to Chavez!

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:17 | 1584463 macholatte
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To: H. Chavez

From: JPM

RE:  Gold on Deposit

Your Gold was available for pick-up. It was located in our vault in Tripoli but has been stolen. We suggest you call your insurance company. Our warranty does not cover civil unrest. Sorry about that.

Have a Nice Day

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 22:03 | 1584732 IMA5U
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noice avatar

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:49 | 1584535 jekyll island
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Yeah, then there would have to be a coup in Peru or Mexico.  Damn, I can't keep up with this anymore.



Sun, 08/21/2011 - 23:23 | 1584917 zenbones
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Mr. Dimon's heart just skipped a beat.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 05:51 | 1585244 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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HAHHAHAHAHAHA!!! yes it would!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 16:29 | 1587472 smallpeeps
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Yes, or a shrub, for example, which would logically lead to a request for a second shrub to creat a two level set with a little path running on a line between them.  In the end, I assume there is some secret word which makes Chavez double over in pain, but I can't think of it.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:53 | 1584218 IQ 145
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I never know where to post these things; I sold my Dec. Silver Contract a few minutes ago at $43.80; for an even $25000 profit; I posted the date and time of the original purchase here at that time. This isn't a chart service. All the price charts are on Kitco, or on CME.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 06:59 | 1585287 GetZeeGold
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If your IQ was would have held it.


Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:32 | 1584492 mr66
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No way Chaves getting his gold are dreaming if you think it came from Libya & gadafi.   he sent Their gold held deep under the frozen snows of siberia in alarge safe,,Guarded by Putins putz's  ghdafi is set with his gold he just needs to get out alive



Mon, 08/22/2011 - 08:35 | 1585436 my puppy for prez
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they are so transparent and blatant these days!  What globalist bozos!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:48 | 1585659 sunnydays
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Chavez said he is going to test the gold for tungsten to make sure it is real.  War with Venezuela possibly coming up, one person has said to Russia Today.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:45 | 1584190 Hulk
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Margin hike in 3,2,1...

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:32 | 1584342 Id fight Gandhi
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Yes please it would be nice to get a deal on some physical.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:10 | 1584452 Hulk
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Get it while you can...

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:47 | 1584195 LookingWithAmazement
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So, no spike in the gold price. Chavez-problem solved. Boring world we live in.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:47 | 1584198 Ecoman11
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Because if Chavez screams "They don't have my Gold!!" all hell will break out.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:13 | 1584289 Raymond K Hassel
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What does happen? GLD is definitively exposed as the opposite of gold. redemptions and margin calls. GLD forced liquidation of paper gold. Comex price becomes deal of the millennia....but you can't buy physical gold at any price. JPM covers paper shorts at a profit. fuck. Double Fuck, I'm all in miners.....but I stacked food and water....and wine and liquor....and some lead and launchers, just for that reason. I'd sorta like to see a controlled retreat by the PTB.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 07:41 | 1585336 Bicycle Repairman
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"I'm all in miners"


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:06 | 1588731 goldfish1
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wine and liquor...


yeah time to trot out my story about my father in ww2. in hawaii, everypay check he stored away some hooch in his bags. got sent to mindinao. stormed the beach. lots blown up. buddies killed. morale low. couldn't get supplies from the marine supplies guys. DaddyO went to the commanding officer and told him to put DaddyO in charge. He did. Daddyo called the guy with the supplies. The guy said, why should I give you anything?. DaddyO sez, I got hooch. Supplies guy sez, you got hooch? Whatdya need? DaddyO told me to remember that story.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 23:16 | 1584900 Problem Is
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"Because if Chavez screams "They don't have my Gold!!" all hell will break out."

Allow me to provide the scenario... Kaddafi...Gaddafi...Qaddafi Could be Chavez's Example

Bankster Owned G-7 Governments:

"Hugo, STFU about your Gold or you'll end up like K-G-Q-addafi... The only Gold you're getting is in the circuitry of a cruise missile, my Latin wise ass pal..."

Bankster Owned G-7 Governments Announce to the World:

"Hugo's Gold is being confiscated for humanitarian reasons..."

No fuss, no muss, the sheeple buy it as truth. Now, back to the real Bankster business at hand... naked shorting silver...

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:52 | 1584199 Hook Line and S...
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I wonder if Spielberg advised in the disinfo film farce known as Gadaffi tumbles.

AG/AU going erect. Hope you boarded the physical train long ago. Expect a sizable correction when the rebels turn out not to be there at all. After that, PM's will resume their upward trajectory within a day or two.

This is not going to work out like the marionette holder thinks. 

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:47 | 1584200 lieutenantjohnchard
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when is the battle for silver gonna start? i like the part where it's up 3.75% in the early going.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:49 | 1584206 MoneyWise
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Keep pumping that bubble up.. I'll not be surprised to
see gold dropping 300+ oz/day in the near term..
This trade just getting ridiculous.. Blow up would be
be even bigger.. Same as Silver, just few month back.
Sure it could rise to 2000/oz and then lose 400$ in few days,
just like that and it's coming soon.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:55 | 1584227 unky
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Yes sure, increased volatility. Now its best just wait and see and let things calm down a little.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:01 | 1584248 FeralSerf
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It's a good time to own some out of the money options on PMs and miners.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:42 | 1584372 Raymond K Hassel
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Puts or calls? I suck at timing, so long jr miners w/o margin.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:49 | 1586159 FeralSerf
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Calls (longer dated), but maybe some protective puts too if you're the cautious type.  The premiums seem cheap considering the volatility and what might happen to the volatility.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:03 | 1584257 Snidley Whipsnae
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Go away troll. Go over the Krugman's site or some other Keynesian hang out where you can pull each other's johnsons and pretend that the 'strong dollar' is coming back...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:12 | 1588758 goldfish1
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Clive Maund is warning of a pullback before going higher. He said "overbought".

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:15 | 1584294 Long-John-Silver
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So suddenly; Europe and American debt problems get settled and the worlds economy is settled......

Like that's really going to happen anytime soon as it's all melting down before your very eyes and you chose not to remove your rose coloured glasses.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:43 | 1584377 Placerville
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Exactly! Like this fixes the Euro debt crisis & balances the US budget. Big deal, some countries get cheaper oil but it's already dropped almost 25% recently.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gadhafi had shipped out the gold already and has it stashed somewhere. After it's all gone, then let the country go. Maybe he made a deal with Chavez to get it out.

The look on the face of the greedy bastards thinking that they would plunder all of Libya's gold reserves when they realized it wasn't there - Priceless!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:23 | 1588797 goldfish1
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Oil drops from $115 May 1 to $75 first week Aug.

Gasoline prices, not so much: May 1 avg. $3.95 to current avg $3.53

Oil prices drop 35%

Gas prices drop 11% avg


Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:19 | 1584311 Pladizow
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To: MoneyWise

Bernake is that you????

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:36 | 1584353 StychoKiller
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Ain't but one way out babe:  move towards the (golden) light...

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:58 | 1584422 tickhound
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It hurts doesn't it... every uptick brings you pain.  That's ok, you're not alone... and I like it that way.

PS You seem sorta new at this...

Change your handle to FRN-wise or Money-confused.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:52 | 1584213 zorba THE GREEK
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Before, western intervention was always about oil, now we may have to add gold to the motives. Does this mean

an expansion of world conflicts? Only time will tell.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:06 | 1585735 my puppy for prez
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Don't forget it's also about global govt/economic hegemony!  All hail GLOBAL GOVERNMENT!

Can't have any non-compliant, fiesty dictators, now, can we?

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:52 | 1584214 midtowng
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gold up $20 in the first hour of the market opening. What will happen in the next few hours?

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:57 | 1584221 MoneyWise
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Why you think Bernank don't give a f**k about GOLD? Look at the US miners been under performing the real metal., if need it can print FREE money and buy out any miner and get GOLD at production cost, as fast as tomorrow.. Not necessarily buying directly but through some fake.corp.. Who's paying those stupid prices? 1900/oz.. Buy Miner and get it for $800/oz, if need it.. Ask Chavez, this guy figure out that game pretty quick. Gold fair value=production cost + 10% profit margin, everything above, just physiological value and speculators..

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:29 | 1584330 Pladizow
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Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:34 | 1584346 Id fight Gandhi
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I don't like the miner stocks. The stock shills out there think its some angle to own gold stocks over the real thing.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:56 | 1584552 jekyll island
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Mining stocks are meant to be used as speculative investments AFTER you have a core position in physical, that's all.  If you don't like them, exercise your right to ignore them.  My silver mining stocks have done well, gold miners not so much.  I can sit there an watch them bounce around 25% or more because my physical position is much larger than paper.  I agree with you about the shills, no way to believe that owning stocks is in any way a proxy for physical. 



Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:54 | 1584547 The Deleuzian
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You're 1/4 right moneywise The Banksters already tried that with Barrick though.........

Now Barrick's more of a copper play!!! That ship sailed long ago...

The people paying $1,900/oz. Au are the people who are smart enough not to pay to pay $2,500/oz. Au.......(unless they have to)

fair value does not equal production cost + something ......

Putting a fair value on Au is impossible ...

even for you...




Sun, 08/21/2011 - 22:43 | 1584835 PaperBugsBurn
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Silver is a byproduct of copper mining. There is a huge slowdown coming and copper is an industrial metal. Barrick is bankster owned.


These banksters can manipulate humanity but only if people unaware. Six billion silver consumers will crush them. At 15 to 1 silver will curtail their power drastically. with their heads.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:59 | 1584242 Snidley Whipsnae
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If the gold that Chavez requested is not returned the fall out could be horrific. A literal run on bullion banks could start. Paper PM markets would blow up... and we would find out the true price of gold on the new physical exchanges. A nightmare for many central banks including the Fed.

Lets go there.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:05 | 1584264 FeralSerf
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Maybe not if the right excuse can be fabricated, like a hold on it to pay for some of Chavez's nationalizations.  Chavez doesn't own the international judges.  The other side does.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:04 | 1584259 MoneyWise
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Ohh! Silver, flying as well, Silver have 2x more value, than GOLD
(From here)..
IMHO.. Could be good for arbitrage trade, Sell Gold/Buy Silver,
so far it's been lagging behind..

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:16 | 1584299 Long-John-Silver
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Don't play that trade. You'll end up missing both. Buy and hold both. 25% Gold and 75% Silver.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:33 | 1584343 Stumpy
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Same ratio as I am at the moment. I feel reassured.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 05:58 | 1585250 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Me too! more or less!

Although I sure wish I'd upped my gold part of the ratio when silver was spiking in april; now to the end of the year however, silver will outperform gold - I'm 75% sure

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:19 | 1584306 DosZap
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They may, may not, get Gadaffi Duck, but they will never find/get the Gold.

It's long gone, or buried in a secret sand dune, with the one's who buried it.

Gha-daffy is not stupid.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:40 | 1584366 StychoKiller
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Look under the 3rd pyramid to the right of the 2nd oasis...:>D

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:43 | 1584371 Use of Weapons
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Tyler, you're welcome - how else to pay back your economic brilliance but with SE tools? ;)


Saving Iran's 300 for a rainy day, sensible. May the clicks be with you.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:45 | 1584384 Newsboy
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Just how did the IMF come by 2814 tons of gold?

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:51 | 1584407 Use of Weapons
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Things to remember:

That's 2814 tons priced at $45 / ton - Canada has been politically at the forefront of stopping any price adjustment [hmmmmmmm]

Vatican (and Singapore and another, interestingly enough) do not declare their holdings [hmmmmmmmmm]




Sun, 08/21/2011 - 21:35 | 1584650 jekyll island
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Now come on, don't be a stupid idiot.  The IMF, just like the UN, is funded by US Gubmit.  IMF bought the gold with money given to them by the US.  Doofus.  

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:48 | 1584398 Van Halen
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Nice pile of gold you got there, be a shame if the rebels were suddenly able to advance and give it all to us...

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:58 | 1584416 Use of Weapons
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The real coup would be to get a list of who was about to travel to "help" the NTC manage their $200 mil from Germany, the $100 mil Dutch helping to red cross aid [er.. shouldn't that be red crescent given the region? Oh wait] and the other $250 mil off the books that is ear marked to 'repay' the favour of special forces, tomohawks and weapons during the campaign.


They have a national bank to set up. Got to be some advisors ready to rock n roll...





Anyone ever checked on the Egyptian head banker who also way-laid a maid, and is stuck in Rikers? Thought not.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:01 | 1584432 monopoly
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This is just beyond words. And I only have 1/2 of the physical we want to store. You know guys, the fundamentals will not change but no matter what the asset class parabolic moves never end well. And the higher we go the further we will correct, maybe to 1,600 or so. Now at that level we will complete our purchase but we all know there will be a correction, rest and then the next leg higher. But since I am doing this for the long term, I do not really  worry about 200 dollar spikes or dumps. Not selling.

But we need to rest for a while. Geesh.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:13 | 1584456 Hulk
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Depends entirely on the news and reasons. Correction is not inevitable...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 06:01 | 1585252 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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The correction may well be from $2600 all the way back down to $2150

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:05 | 1584438 monopoly
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Agree, don't try and time or play this gold market. Stay off of margin, accumulate on dumps and just keep it. And I think the miners may be ready to take the lead. Holding up well in this sick market, so far. It would be just perfect if those of us who have stayed the course the last few years, finally receive a little respect. It has been a long time.We shall see.

Long a bunch.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:31 | 1584498 mrkolice
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this is nuts. how can it be that one single move by a dictator from venezuela leads to the fall of a dictator from lybia in just 3 days??


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:13 | 1585763 my puppy for prez
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Having a short term goal (need to refill their empty vauilts for Ven. redemption) is always effective!  

It's like a kid putting off doing his homework all evening, and then finally, the frustrated parent says, "Johhny, if you do not get that homework done this very minute, I am going to show your girlfriend those naked baby and potty training pics I have stashed of you!"

Boom.....being found out is a good motivator!  

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 21:05 | 1584578 IMA5U
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144 tons of gold.  ah.  it all makes sense.  new supply of gold.  make it painful to hold gold.  force holders of gold into "risky assets"

A Dash for Trash

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 05:57 | 1585249 falak pema
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Thats worth over ten billion USD cash at around 2000.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 21:45 | 1584679 vast-dom
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everyone here is so paranoid sheesh...


/sarc off//

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 21:50 | 1584696 sbenard
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Emboldened Emperor Obama plus More Muslim Brotherhood is not a recipe for peace or prosperity! Trouble this way comes!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 03:55 | 1585167 shadowboxer
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...looks like they figured out how to pay back 99 tons to Chavez

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 06:07 | 1585254 falak pema
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USD gold reserves (8140 T) = 550 billion USD. Today's price +/- 5%. Paulson's or bigger  HFs are worth about that.

(Assumpton 1 T = 35000 ounces, 1 oz = 1900 USD).

That's how powerful the Oligarchs are money wise!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:54 | 1586183 FeralSerf
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1 T = 32,150 ounces

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 07:08 | 1585301 mantrid
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Do you think they pushed Tripoli just because Chavez wants his gold? Do you belive it took just a few days to mount this offensive while stalemate lasted for long months? No way! Chavez surely knows there is no enough gold in western vaults. He bluffs. It's like China tampering with their peg overnight to show US they can sustain pain.

I think it may be China again trying to establish world reserve currency and as Tripoli (which had it's significant role in their plan) falls, they used Chavez to send the West a clear message: "we can break your Ponzi-party. stay away this time".

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:15 | 1585770 my puppy for prez
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That's certainly a distinct possibility!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:13 | 1585764 The Count
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Our fantastic government propaganda news.

I had a great time watching interviews on CNN this morning. The reporters had nothing better to do than act as if they were defense staff employees. "When will we see feet on the gound..." Which the military guys asked will obiously deny will ever happen. Leave it to reporters to ask the more brain dead questions to get the populous ready for the currently unthinkable. Oldest trick in the book. It's like in Germany where the press keeps bringing up Eurobonds which is then promptly denied by the politicians. People, we are just rats in a cage, manipulated by forces beyond our reach. It's really that evil. 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:57 | 1586194 FeralSerf
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"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without them knowing it."

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the public is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country." -- Edward Bernays

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 16:09 | 1587368 The Count
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I knew the jews controlled international banking. I did not know they are the originators of mind control. Live and learn...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 14:38 | 1586983 johnjb32
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We see two immediate outcomes from the all-of-a-sudden demise of Qaddafi. One is that oil contract with China and Russia are going to be tossed out or modified in favor of western European governments. The other is that since there is as much as 100x more paper than physical gold, the seizure of 144 tons from Libya will allow the gold cartel to cover the 366 ton repatriation of Venezuela's gold without popping the bubble too quickly. Zero Hedge puts a very sensible answer that conforms with Occam's Razor -- the simplest answer is usually correct. Today's surge in gold prices seems to bear this out. -- Michael C. Ruppert

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