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Wish I could come to the party (disclosure I am 100% short) but there is one important indicator which is trying to breakout to new highs, and I respect the indicator, which the ratio of gold stocks to the Dow Jones Industrial. I can trace this back to 96, when they diverged, and the Industrials continued higher for a couple years, but the markets fell and fell hard. Then in 2002 the lag was much shorter, as the ratio gave a buy signal months ahead of the market. Right now that indicator has been strong and I am still waiting for a sell signal before I double down.
For those singing this is the end of America, you might want to learn a new song. America is going to influence the dominant global institutions for another century at least. You have to realize how little the rest of the world has without US technology, and culture. How many Chinese movie stars do you know, singers, comedians, politicians, scientists? For years Wall Street pumped the suckers about the new Russian capitalism, but mother Russia is the same old gulag. Now Wall Street is trying to sell us on China. Forget it. When the Chinese people throw out their politburo and their secret police I will start to believe.
American leadership in the arts and sciences is unique. Now its necessary to protect free trade. When a free person has to compete with socialist prison labor, he is no longer free. (warning: my definition of socialist prison labor may be a bit more expanded than yours). There are going to be some casualties, but its out of our control if we're going to take our rightful place, we'll do what's necessary. It has always been so. Go long America, ducklings, but first some unfinished business, as the bear has to clear out some speculative excess. Not yet but soon...
America is most likely to come out ahead of everyone else when the dust settles, because America has the strongest tradition of freedom (and free markets, of course): that is when everything is said and done, the American people are, IMO, the most likely to fix what's broken. However, it's going to be difficult for everyone, and many people world-wide will lose a lot of wealth, including Americans.
Isn't "American culture" an oxymoron?
Maybe, but then again "reality" TV was invented in Europe.
"Hey, Thisj, pass me that spliff, I think I just came up with something great"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_%28TV_series%29
jazz
Absolutely. I was being snarky.
lol
Not as much as "civilized man"...Bitchez!!!
Replace "American" with any country in the world and the result is the same....or worse.
Sorry dude,
How many Bollywood stars do you know? The era of American exceptionalism is so gone and done. And in terms of educational superiority - really? From what I see most talented R&D people in my field are going to Mumbai and tons of Asia applicants. And Arts? Please no more dancing with stars!
Bollywood stars? Let me see.....Deepika, Bipasha, Priyanka, Kareena, Ashwariya, Shilpa, Katrina....
or for the ladies, Hrithik, Amitabh, John, Shah Rukh, Aamir, Sanjay, Salman...
And not a single one of them can sing worth a lick. Every last one dubbed. Add three second film takes of dance moves (as opposed to multi-minute sequnces of Fred or Gene or Donald or Cyd or Ginger) and STARS are born.
Sadly America is gone my friend. We have been hijacked by a cartel of international banks and mega-corporations. Their objective is to bankrupt the West and consolidate power under a New World Order and one world currency. The globalists are going all out at this point as we can all see the quickening. They know if they do not win their heads will be on sticks. Think Romania 1989. More and more people are awakening and the demon elites are scared shitless. They thrive only because they have brainwashed minions working for them, many of whom are also waking up. All it would take is a patriot in an F-15 at the next Bilderberger meeting to turn the tide in our favor. So, they will do what they always do. That is create false flag terror such as 9-11 so the masses will beg for martial law. False flag ahead probably involving a militia group against a government installation. We know who the true terrorists are and it ain't us. The true terrorists are in WDC, NYC and the international banks.
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
Localize MFs!!! - And start thinking now what you can MAKE for your family and friends for Christmas/& other holidays.
I'm drinking right now, solving problems, and am throwing this out there - IMPROVE yourself. Paint something this weekend, buy some clay and $%^& around, plant some seeds, check out jewelry making or glass blowing at your local college, or just write a poem!!!
Forget the politicians that for the most part wouldn't make good compost. Forget the economy for a couple of days. Internalize - meditate, and relax.
When the final epiphany hits, and we come to the same conclusion about the current human condition, let's tear down the protester's cage, walk out from the 'demonstration zone', and let these mother fuckers know we are aware, we exist, and will not be silent while they heartlessly fuck up the entire ship we call Earth!
Cheers! We've moved on to solving the Martian illegal immigration problem. Those dam Ganymedians!
Hell, one is called AlFranken!
I'm not putting you down when I say that's the gayest shit I've ever read.
Just sayin....
you must not read much then...
just sayin...
Don't assume it can read. Prolly pubic edication skooled.
good point...
Ahhh, don't poo poo! The 'let these muthafuckers know' part didn't fire you up a little? Community, friends, family, and freedom are being scorched in the name of multi-national profits.
I live in the mountains and don't ingest whatever the govt. puts in the water to keep people passive ;) and will feed you if you need help, but there's a lot of shit going on these days where one needs to choose sides - the window of opportunity to fixing this mess is closing fast. When people realize the precipice IS RIGHT THERE, the mental laziness and disassociation will have to end.
We've FINALLY reached a point where 'keeping up with the Joneses' is folly.
BTW - about your moniker's deeper meaning - slap that Kudlow??!
ching a fuckin ling, woot!
Spoken like a store-bought ass dildo.
Good comment... Perhaps they: can make a { Cubic Zirconium} for me? Wishful thinking.
My vault drill needs a new bit!
Is that an approved Leo solar powered vault drill? Need to know if the vault needs to be further underground.
Ref; Questions to the [ Peoples Liberation Army] Of Venezuela... Tell em Hugo sent you.
He is the one Clad in XAU!
Ah hell, why not?
Iridium, bitchez!
"A word to the wise is unnecessary." Mark Twain
Yeah, well the 1% of my vast fortune I have in stocks....
...who gives a shit?
I'll let bottom feeders and scum like the trash on CNBC talk about bull/bear markets.
Let's play some polo and figure out if we want another nxxxxr, Jew or a bitch to be the next president.
Love,
Skull and Bones. Oh by the way, FUCK YOU!!!!
Just another Soros, Liberal, Barry dick sucking propagandist phoney. You fool no one. Go back to watching Olbermann asshole.
You know, you're right. Now go back to sucking your own dick. If you wanna flame, you come to the right place jew motherfucker.
C'mon put buyer, you faggot, say something.
I'm a security analyst. Meet me outside your place at midnight. Lets talk shop...
Security ANAL-cyst == window shopping hack.
You talk tough but you will scrambling for boots to lick when the SHTF.
Why did you self censor your sattire, pussy?
Good, hit a nerve with you college pussies.
Got get fucked.
College...Bueller, Bueller.
And you're still a pussy for self-censoring.
Please change your name. It gives us all a bad name! Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
Larry Kudlow wouldn't know a free market if it slapped him upside his fascist, dick-shaped head.
Kudchew suffers the same ailment of all pundits - Biggs aging.
Cramer sounds like he is Gargling on ( Marbles) in Mobile 1. 10/30w.
He's working on it. He's taking voice lessons from Bawney Fwank!
+1
Anyone see that USA vs. China basketball game. It was like a flash mob accidently wandered into an honors math class.
Hence basketbrawl, I guess. Don't have time to watch that stuff; might miss something good off my SEC leech....
I already miss the pussy avatar. It's ok, I know it is in the front of this new avatar.
She's holding a cat?
No, just trying to scratch one.
I wonder, how much would it take to...value the emotion that is experience?
Being a good or noble person has somthing but its not silver or gold.
money doesnt buy youth nor does it buy time.
does a 60+ give head as well as a 30+ and whats the market value of it?
Like your thought. The question is where can you go to explore the possibilities without getting raped by some moron Goobermint. The IRS owns you for 10 years even after renouncing citizenship.
"The IRS owns you for 10 years even after renouncing citizenship."
Not if you create several you's. I've always fancied the name Mr. Mase Lcnu (pronounced lin-yu...silent "c") as the last one before dropping off the grid.
Uncle Sam, spelled backwards as a tweak ;-)
If the 60+ can take out her teeth, then she can do it better.
You'd have to put a bag over her body first though. We are talking about a "she" here right or am I on the wrong website?
Lol. "Nero Hedge"?
Take out her teeth and squirt her mouth full of KY.
(I'm in heaven, when you drool over my feet.....)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgLcv1mQZBg
"Who wants to be the richest guy in some cemetery?"
Lovely Day!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYi7uEvEEmk&list=PL3A43793E0FFB4FBA&index=45
"Hoster Wilfahrdt and his orchestra will play"
Just reading this thread from the opening prescious metals bitchez's to those who would like to see Kudlow with some C4 shoved up his ass and detonated, this is probably all one needs to get the weekend of to a great start. I started drinking a 5pm and since reading this thread haven't stopped laughing. Have a great weekend one and all. Even you Larry. One of the dumbestmost self centered, ass licking corporate pieces of crap shills on CNBC. I relish the day your removed from the air in a straight jacket and that day may not be far off.
Did Kudlow say he is live tweeting. That is fucking gay.
+`` ? Kudlow couldn't tweet his " proctologist!
king?! i thought u were dead! i'll have it my way please...
Speaking of Gay!!!! Watch this all the way through. Anyone out there have a vile of testosterone they could pass along to that macho man Anderson Cooper!?
http://newyork.ibtimes.com/articles/200250/20110818/anderson-cooper-giggle-cnn-gerard-depardieu-pee-ridiculist.htm
Tri Fecta! Gentlemen! Nice work!!!
This bear market will be over when I'm having my dentistry performed at the barbershop for the cost of 1 silver dime. No more, no less.
the mere thought of discount dentistry prompts me to make an early run at the liquor cabinet. damn pacific time zone.
Cheers!
I actually make sure that my dentistry is up to date. And BTW, I've been buying alcoholic miniatures for barter (just in case). It's the thought of a derivative blow-up just when I need a dental crown prompts me to stay on top of my oral health.
Good point. In a few years, all of dentristry could consist of pliers and mighty puddy.
seriously lol.
Is it safe!
If you cant trust the late Billy Mays....
Didn't he die whan that big ass alligator that he was pokin' with the stick in the third take of the "Sweet Down Home Alabama Alligator Farm" ad chewed his legs off?
Do not forget about vision health (if corrective lenses are needed). And if you need corrective lenses, get a couple of extra pair of glasses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-HqcNum7M
And that is all you need to know...
"Both the slayer and the slain
Are like a dewdrop and a flash of lightning
They are thus to be regarded"
The viewer should note that this was posted by myself four years ago, and remains the #1 google hit (Diamond sutra both the slayer and the slain are like a dewdrop)- please remain seated, but allow your mind to be blown. That is all. Plans within plans within plans.
But, O Lanoo, be of clean heart before thou startest on thy journey. Before thou takest thy first step learn to discern the real from the false, the everfleeting from the everlasting. Learn above all to separate Headlearning from Soul-Wisdom, the "Eye" from the "Heart" doctrine.
Yea, ignorance is like unto a closed and airless vessel; the soul a bird shut up within. It warbles not, nor can it stir a feather; but the songster mute and torpid sits, and of exhaustion dies.
But even ignorance is better than Head-learning with no Soul-wisdom to illuminate and guide it.
The seeds of Wisdom cannot sprout and grow in airless space. To live and reap experience the mind needs breadth and depth and points to draw it towards the Diamond Soul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7pqTd99mAw
any target practice lately? ;~)
Done 'Like a Boss' [dutch pronounciation] there.
I fear I am but a cub in this exchange - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0cuX0WSdhg
or perhaps....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZKzjJmtrU
Don't play with Satan Will-Fart. Very, very dangerous. Very, very real.
"If you want God's grace, all you need is need, all you need is nothing. But that kind of spiritual humility is hard to muster. We come to God saying, "Look at all I've done," or maybe "Look at all I've suffered." God, however, wants us to look to him - to just wash.
+1
cHEEZY YOU ARE STARTING TO GET IT. Any thoughts on reality? AKA: Yield Curves?
Can there really be a yield curve in a zirp environment?
It's a fucking band name you retards.
Why is it being called a bear market when valuations are just losing the QE2 ponzi addition?
What would you call it? A Bernanke strap slap market?
After this we unwind the QE1 ponzi addition
Because it's shit in the woods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZWeaSzovHs ...I love Zero Hedge.
You should hear the thunder cracking in D.C. Sounds like a dream being fulfilled.
That ain't thunder, it's just Bwaney cutting loose on some Lib show again.
Dam refries!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYhAwkIbY4Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToceoE9DHWY
enjoy the weekend while you can...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Pbc8SQwV8
I said it earlier in the thread, but he has to pass the gas in order to find out what's in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTuoqSz3gQo Peee low seaaaa
Brings a tear to ones eye, no?
soo.... youve got 1000 oz of silver stashed away. All major stock markets have crashed - down 70% from their highs. Supposedly silvers spot price is $150.00. So, you take your silver to a store, but no store will accept it. So, you ask around and no one that you know wants to buy any of it either, even when you tell them look, Ill give you an oz for $130.00. You call your dealer and he offers $40.00 an oz, you hang up. Stop by a pawn shop, they outright refuse to buy it. Coin Dealer?? Ha, phone goes to VM and the store is vacant. You call a 'refinery' and they tell you their assay dept is so backed up it could be weeks until your silver is assayed at which time they will quote you what they will pay for it.
Uhh, why can't you sell your silver?
I think most sane people would expect silver to be in high demand if markets were down 70%.
And you run into me who trades you lots of great stuff that you needed right then for a small amount of your hiho silver. And they lived happily ever after. Amen.
You take one oz. of silver to the local farmers' market - this after the Jews have shut down their grocery store chains in an effort to Ukraine the non-urbans - and you get 2-3 days of food for it. That is If, like the farmer, you're wearing iron...
Yes, and it's gonna snow three feet in Ecuador tomorrow!
SOP for American politicians and news media is to be bent over a barrel on Wall Street.
This is the truth, it is hidden, it is how we got to the present crisis. The system severely fools the people. Our track record is serial herd behavior:
"Real Homes, Real Dow" at
http://homepage.mac.com/ttsmyf/RHandRD.html
And it is kept out of sight! Clearly, the main enabler of sizable asset price bubbles (very harmful!) is keeping the real price histories out of sight!
7th comment here:
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/Default.aspx?postid=254545
I think we need the ( Basic Algebra) Question back! ZH Crew?
Even a troglodyte troll like myself agrees.
p.s.
Still haven't forgiven you for calling my third eye closing - never closed, merely hidden, I have no trust to give. Will be re-awakened once safety is assured. Yes, elves n trolls, elves n trolls - Tip E nicer than your harsh pruning.
Quit yer whining! Poke that 3'rd eye out, and move foreward! Get rid of the ( Midget Farm)!
I got three brown eyes!
Or pry it open
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH6mKLqe4Yc
Third it! Too many Libs.....
Fine, as long as there are no negative numbers!
My fave was the negative 3 digit numbers.
Silver testing 43....
Ron Paul and Bachmann should unite now into the Paul/Bachmann ticket. Paul for President, Bachmann for VP. This is the only way I see either getting on a ticket.
Not a chance with Paul's support for sexual liberty.
I beleive Paul is more for not protecting groups. Not so much sexual liberty. I like Uncle Paul, he wants people to be able to choose their associations freely, not forced by governement to have to accept one group because of special status.
Agreed, a fine line between liberty and the libertine.
RP walks it.
Do you know the Difference between an (simple moving average) & an ( exponential moving average)? Why are the averages used in different CHARTS! Get lost you loser!
A SMA, an EMA.
Attention to detail.
Get an education, or trade for at least 2 years. You are clueless!
It was all in good fun Yen-san.
Been, done, have the T-Shirt.
I'm old school. Don't come to the party, unless you are prepared! You can have the ( Lib Turd) award!
OR better yet ! You can flush [usd] into Europe every night, with thye ACB's...
Libturd....you are out of your Jap fucking mind. A and an dude, have a cchuckle at your own expense or shut the fuck up and accept the fact that your righteous retort looked as though it were typed by a crackhead
Beat it!
"Ron Paul and Bachmann should unite now into the Paul/Bachmann ticket. Paul for President, Bachmann for VP. This is the only way I see either getting on a ticket."
Which will happen right after Barry proposes a balanced budget...lol.
How about Bachmann and Ted Turner?
After the Bachmann corndog pic, I don't see her 'riding' anyone elses ticket, well, one that isn't 12" long. "Never, ever, go full corndog"....
lmao...
i like cake.....Bitchez
Crap. "Honey, bake a cake, ok?"
A guess: Obama will not run for President again. Too much like a real job. More fun to be Prom King.
Who instead? Gore smells too much of massage oil, Hillary doesn't much care for being an actual executive(like Obama), so.....
Andrew Cuomo ?
Maybe Rohm Emmanuel will run for president. Sure would be interesting to see a reporter ask him
something he don't like, and Rohm throwing verbal excrements at him. Rohm's language makes
George Carlin look like Amish schoolteacher.
Yes and he does it naked in the shower
Schmucky Schumer? No, he likes the strings.
Lautenberg? He's perfect. Brain dead, but we aren't sure on where he stands on Guam capsizing.
he enjoys running, it is what to do after winning that he has a problem with
I was recently watching a movie about King Henry VIII and noticed a parallel modus operandi between the the elites of today and the elites of 1491. The Roman Catholics and Nobles of 1491 were the only ones that could read the bible. The clergy would read the bible in Latin, which the common man could not understand. They kept the Bible's actual meaning shrouded in secrecy and used the Bible's symbolic power to manipulate the masses.
Fast forward to 2011. The elite of today keep our laws shrouded in secrecy and written in a way that only an Army of lawyers and judges could possibly have the resources and time to comprehend. Lawyers have replaced the Clergy. The convoluted tomes of law and precedents have become the law comprehend-able only to the elite. They use the laws Symbolic power to manage the masses.
How is that for history repeating itself.
And of course, most legislators are lawyers, as are many of their staff and underlings. Men have always used knowledge, laws, position and wealth to exert control over their fellow men. And, they always will, no matter who is in power and running things. It is the human condition.
Human condition my ass. It is the scam to keep you a serf. Make the Law unintelligible to those without the secret handshake. Lawyers, and the Law, are scum!
Now, go out and riot, my children!
And if the rioters take over, in a few years they will have their own secret handshakes and consider themselves above the serfs. Humans are scum when it comes to dealing with the mantle of power, privilege and influence.
Absolute power corr........
Man speaks the truth.
Here's another sad reality:
Any of the "Illuminati" who survive the purge will be in the exact same position in the next iteration. Blame Darwin. The proper human skill set is worth more than silver or gold, and it's value is "more than rubies". Keep the virtuous woman; the winner is the sociopath with brains. Five thousand plus years of human history backs that up.
New term introduced: "DEMINATI"
M/H we realize your frustration. Relax, and enjoy the weekend. Yen.
Heck I have been in Singapore and Hong Kong for 2 weeks. I generally go into slow motion, with those maniacs...
I like you, Just Relax. Thank You.
Ignorance is Bliss,
Only an army of lawyers could take a short and very direct document written to delineate the powers of government, and interpret it to allow them to do whatever their masters desire.
It appears that 34 of the 55 people in the Constitutional Convention were lawyers.
Yes, bu how many were bankers?!
Not sure. But 11were securities speculators, 9 owned slave plantations, and all were of the elite.
Duly noted. Thank you.
Chavez just downgraded to B because he is going to repatriate the country's gold and tuck it away just like the US. Preposterous.
Bull Market Lavorgna/Kudlow Style Bitchez!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMX5zoKEy1I&feature=related
Paul Krugman, Meredith Whitney, a javelin, Ron Paul, an oversized jar of Vaseline, an artichoke and a Scrooge McDuck style pile of PMs.
Discuss.
An oversized jar of vaseline: That brings back repressed memories of my youth, when my parents
signed me up to be cabin boy on a Greek vaseline tanker.
Paul Krugman: I am a fan of the tv show Jackass, but every time I goggle Jackass, Paul Krugman's
picture comes up.
Ron Paul: What can you say about a man with 2 first names?
A Scrooge McDuck pile of PM's: If you have a successful business and make some extra bucks but pinch pennies
for 10 years and not buy a new car and tell your wife when she asks for new furniture in the fall, that we will
hold off until spring, and when she wants new counter tops in spring, that we will hold off until fall, and so on
and so forth. And you spend every dollar on gold coins and silver coins and bars, and one day you sit down and
pull out all your silver from safes and take all your gold out of safe deposit boxes and pile them up on dinning room
table and 100oz silver bars on floor so not to break table and you count them all up and at that point you realize;
you are not going to live long enough to spend it all. Then you got Scrooge McDuck pile of PM's. Oh what a feeling!!!
+1
The dude abides.
The dude does abide, as does the Earth...I fear for the table
Sudden Interest Rate Explosion Syndrome aka SIRES is coming. Saddle up your War Horse--it's the King!
I am fairly new here but I have been trading for almost 30 years for a living. I have to say Tyler and the ZH staff are true patriots in the financial world. Call it like it is, AWESOME! The manipulation and corruption are at all time highs. When I first started trading in the S&P pit in the early 80's, I thought if it ever went electronic there would be a level playing field and the edge of the floor would be gone. I couldn't have been more wrong. I am really impressed by how far in front of the curve ZH is on the real drivers in the market. This site does more to level the playing field than anything I have seen in my entire career. Tyler's knowledge and intuition are second to none. Kudos to you ZH!
Trading for 30 years, damn. Ghosts DO exist.