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The Beginning Of The End For John Paulson?
Because redemption requests are like cockroaches: once one appears, assume many, many more:
- CITIGROUP'S PRIVATE BANK SAID TO PULL $500M FROM PAULSON FUNDS - BBG
- CITIGROUP SAID TO REDEEM FROM PAULSON ADVANTAGE, ADVANTAGE PLUS - BBG
Is this the beginning of the end for the former Bear Stearns M&A banker and once infallible hedge fund manager? And to think he could have saved himself all the deep fundamental work telling him Las Vegas real estate is "cheap" and just bought Apple. Hey, everyone else is doing it. And everyone else can't possibly be wrong. As for Paulson, whose GLD holdings, which are not an investment but merely a gold denomination share class, will likely quite soon see a substantial hit as he is forced to unwind GLD holdings as more and more external investors redeem until finally JP is just left running his own and his employees' money.
Finally, recall what we said three days ago when we broke the Goldman report that only 11% of HFs are outperforming the S&P: "the day of redemption reckoning at the end of the year (and just after September 30 for that matter as well) could be the most painful yet. it also explains why, just like every other quarter in which career risk is at all time highs, HFs are dumping everything not nailed down and buying up AAPL, which as of June 30 was held by an all time high 230 hedge funds (more on that later)."
For Paulson D-Day may have arrived. It is also coming for hundreds of other underperforming funds who will now have to shift from net buyer to gross liquidator as their LPs demand their cash back ahead of the September 30 redemption deadline. Add that technical consideration to all the other September sell off woes.
In short - he who redeems first, redeems best.
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Sometimes Life is So Simple ...
Just Buy GOLD (Real Physical, and avoid the Tungsten)...
(They can only Sell The FT. Knox GOLD 5 Times over before everyone finally catches on).
Then we Ramble...
More like SELL gold short term, given that Paulson has almost half his billions in gld.
Somebody might wnat to get the LAZY FUCKING CONGRESS BACK TO WORK NOW...............
Better yet, don't come back, EVER.......... The country has already quit on you any way..
Gold is already celebrating Paulson's imminent exit with a 2% rally. I wonder if he can get GLD to start selling at a big discount to NAV.
Paulson's 8/14/2012 13F filing for his flagship fund. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1035674/000116660412000010/0001166604-12-000010.txt
21,837,552 of shares of GLD. 28.29% of portfolio in one position. Plus other ancillary gold holdings = 44.31%, as ZH has stated before.
Plus just made a big bet on Delphi Automotive (DLPH).
OK. GLD is 400mil or so shares, and paulson has 20 million of those, roughly 5%. If he unwinds, duck and cover, or perhaps BTFDYFI, as physicial gold will be hit too.
Indirectly messing with GLD... Ya bastids!
Paulson a large holder/now liquidator of PM ? Said stock is down brutally hard on no news; Philip Morris is also a member of the Hedge Hotel 50.
It's well known Paulson has a huge GLD position. I wonder what's going to happen when he realizes there is no physical backing it up.
John Paulson was right the first time during the financial crisis and the investors were scared then only to become very rich by him. Mark my words he is right again. Do you really think citi bank even has a clue? Gold is going to 2000 within 6 months.
Paulson is probably right. But when? That is the problem with timing a short.
Marc Faber lost a ton of money (30-40% allegedly) until the NASDAQ rolled over and died and has admitted timing a short is one of the hardest things to do well. This is the same thing that Kyle Bass is going through right now in his Japan positions. The logic is irrefutable, but how much can you stand to lose being 'right'?
Welcome to "The Suck" Mr. Paulson.
former Bear Stearns trader
Sometimes the bear wins.
a good sailor never confuses stern with bow. And never bears a bull on his own two frail shoulders!
Balance your bets, or you lose your family jewels on the bull's horns!
Cornada!
A One Hit Wonder.
A One Hit Wonder.
You had to do it twice!
A two hit wonder?
Once his money is gone, arrest him and throw him into prison. Same with Zuckerberg.
Did he not do well holding gold?
Bear Stearns? Hey, aren't they the one's that had those two funds that "nearly" collapsed?
Corzine will fill that hole.
No...I wont go there
Poof!
No! i cant be ABXed!
better be lucky than smart.
Paulson is a HUGE holder of GLD, if he starts getting redemption requests, we could see a massive short term dip in GLD. Heads up.
Yes and if this is the only thing that the club can do to put the genie back in the bootle.. they are finished...
What a bunch of losers... and this is the elite of western civilization... Give me a break...
vvvvv
I think a lot of people will be pulling out before the big cliff hits capital gains and whatever....where they go no one knows....but only 3% are invested in PM´s..
I was thinking the same. Congress won't do dick for fear of helping Barry get re-elected and there will be a sell-off as Cap. Gains goes from 15% to 20%. Short SnP bitchz!
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John Paulson sat on a wall
John Paulson had a great fall
All the past Abacus's done with Blankfein's men
Couldn't put John Paulson back together again
LMAO. Citigroup can't manage their own fucking money. Not even Paying 2 and 20. Paying 2 and losing. Hilarious.
I was so sure that I was inferior to Paulson, now I think I can do as well as him.
he is being "Zukerbergered."
Not so fast! FB is up two days in a row so far. Clearly, this is the turn around and beginning of the "Great Facebook Bull Run of 2012".
I've been hearing that about real estate for the last several years. Maybe this time is different.
but but but John Paulson is one of the magnificent three attacking the EUrooooo; with ROthschilds's child and Soros's eternal horror show!
isn't like $12 billion or some such of Paulson's AUM actually owned by Paulson and staff?
Off Topic .. for a mo :
Speculation on the new Euro notes, planned for 2013 :
English translation: New euro notes
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=...
German Source : Neue Euro-Scheine
http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/wirtschaft/10671-neue-euro-scheine
FWIW
Neue Euro-Sheisse!
What ? No 1000 or 2000 bill ?
Even the great ones will find out that the only way to really win the game was not to start playing at all.
Exactly. He had an epic run at the blackjack table and felt he could continue to beat the House. Should have just walked away on top.
Where's Paolo Pellegrini when you need him?
Just in, NYTimes: China's inventory glut masked by governmental suppression of facts.
Protip: Read and save this info before it is changed/deleted at the behest of our benevolent Overlords.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/business/global/chinas-economy-besiege...
China Besieged by Glut of Unsold GoodsThe severity of China’s inventory overhang has been carefully masked by the blocking or adjusting of economic data by the Chinese government — all part of an effort to prop up confidence in the economy among business managers and investors.
Canary?
After the move in gold those folks might want to rethink.
But why would a Private Bank invest their own money into a Hedge Fund?
Or are we talking client money? If so, then how can Citi pull it out without client consent and make it public info?
If it is discretionary, then why the public pronouncement?
Something is fishy here...What is it?
Someone needs to get Paolo back in the fold, stat!
Hmmm, how bad doe the clouds need to get before the 240 hedgefunds start trying to go through the Apple exit door together. This smells different than the usual BTFDs of the last 9 months..
Gee in 08 when we could not short the banks but Paulson could short the abx markets? One less bozo suits me fine.
If I'd invested with his hedge funds I'd pull my money because he invested in GLD instead of bullion. Then I'd buy bullion. I hope that's what happens.
You get it.
+1000
Paulson is bound to be wrong about Las Vegas real estate too. There's no way it has bottomed yet. Everyone might as well redeem & put him out of his misery before that investment loses him another 20-40%.
ZH dares to make a smarmy, nasty post like this simultaneously with CNBC starting another one of their Fantasy Finance contests and Yahoo all of a sudden "redoing" their boards of stocks with trapped Short positions, preventing any actual human beings from posting.
If we had not seen this little gaming scenario so many times before, we might take it much more seriously.
And why does it always coincide with findings that hedge funds in general have done far worse than "average" investors and traders?
The only problem with the market is the same one plaguing it for decades now: No Chinese Walls and financial media under the domination - and often outright ownership - of hedgies who almost always operate from the Short side.
On the bright side: The Psychopaths pull one of these coordinated actions these days, it almost always means something very GOOD - i.e. something about to bleep the Shorts hard - is waiting in the wings.
And re linking Mr. Paulson with Bear: I do not know Mr. Paulson personally and am not defending him.
But he was a contemporary at Bear with your (insane) hero Larry Kudlow, I believe.
Meanwhile Little Larry's "good buddy" Dr. Malpass WAS there during the worst of the Bear crisis and involved in it up to his smarmy little forehead, I believe.
So I wouldn't throw around links to Bear casually like that.
In fact, readers might want to read the Wikipedia piece on Dr, Malpass, an essay in high satire.
How much salary do you make on Paulson defense team?
Maybe everybody is reading this wrong.
Maybe Citi needs some cash because all of the defaulting loans they are sitting on in Tier III assets is causing a pinch.
Wow. The Paulson redemption rumor again. What a surprise. As often as this one is used, there is no way Paulson can have any money left to manage.
So what, Paulson will have to sell off some GLD shares, what does that prove? It's the spot price for physical that controls the price of GLD, not the other way around. Besides, Citi is not what you would call a braintrust. Buy high, sell low is the secret to their success, selling out of gold, just as it is roaring back after being flat for a year. They get what they deserve.
Who is the first to take the big bite out of AAPL? Time frame any one; all that is left is a chewed up core, stem and some seeds. Maybe seeds will take hold in some parched soil.
SPX / DOW / NASDAQ / DAX / FTSE choppy daily charts are still breaking down.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-24/market-analysis