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Belgium, France, Italy, Spain Overrule European Regulator, To Impose Standalone Short-Selling Bans
Stop the presses. Barely did we have time to report that European regulators failed to impose a coordinated short selling ban, that Bloomberg reports that the countries most impact by the market plunge are about to impose standalone short-selling bans. These are Belgium, Italy, Spain and France. In other words, it really is on and the 2008 Lehman PTSD flashbacks may now resume. Until we get a headline that says it isn't. The rescue of the Borsa Italian is now more schizophrenic than that of Greece. As a reminder, in the previous post the FT quoted Abraham Lioui, a professor at the Edhec business school in France, who said “It is the worst thing to do right now. This would signal to the market there may be something fundamentally bad that is happening." He is correct. Something is fundamentally very wrong and about to break.
From the AP, google translated:
Short selling of financial stocks banned for 15 days in France
(AFP) - There are 13 minutes
PARIS - The Financial Markets Authority (AMF), Constable French stock exchange has banned short selling of financial stocks listed in France for a period of 15 days, told AFP, its president Jean-Pierre Jouyet.
"We have decided to ban short selling (...) on the actions of eleven banks and insurance companies listed on the French market, that for a period of 15 days," said Mr Jouyet.
And as a reminder, here is what happened to US financials after the September 18, 2008 SEC ban on shorting:
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It won't work, never did.
Liquidity will dry up very quickly. Here comes the crash...
the FIBS countries...lol
cue the soup nazi....
no liquidity for you!
For those of us who want some humour mixed in with our daily zero hedge doom and gloom:
"Europe Bans Shorts (Backside Now Exposed)"
http://azizonomics.com/2011/08/11/europe-bans-shorts-backside-now-exposed/
A Little Black Humor......
Felonious Munk Presents: Stop It B!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mIOdlfWt1uw
and not so funny.........
Nigel Farage on King World News
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2011/8/10_MEP_Nigel_Farage.html
In other words gamblers, speculators and vigilantes must be allowed to retain their freedom to destroy corporations and nations which have been rigged by the Giant Squid and other monsters of its likeness?
Exactly what kind of freedom and Libertarianism is that?
Let all "investors" lose when they misplace their bets - and don't allow Giant Squids to rig and sell crap as AAA and then secretly short it.
Better yet - remove the stock market as false symbol of "the economy" and national wealth - when all it is, is a casino for lazy fucks who want to get rich without creating or producing anything, and, of course more importantly and primarily the prime tool for the elite to enslave the people.
Bomb Wall Street - Free The World.
LAZY FUCKS
Well said!
actually this list is far longer than you realize. I just saw these folks lined up outside the NYSE for tommorrow's open:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=a3BRI7WFYVU
not looking good for the homegamers!
Amen, brother.
FUKIBUS countries LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6tV11acSRk
where's my cookbook
Hmmm, Euro markets positioning for a crash, US market regulators watching but not acting, riots in the UK while the police stood by, thats a RECIPE...
for a perfect storm
how long does it have to bake?
And the dead give away of the week.
Matt Drudge posting a 6.66% loads in S&p on Monday.
I have 2 things to say . The odds of the market closing on that extant number are null. It was done on purpose.
And the media could of lied and .6.69 or 6.65 but they choice to implant a doomfull idea in your head .
Dow will be 800 on Friday. Goodnight
Staying alive. same page. hate the BG's, but the song is appropriate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKdVq_vNAAI&feature=fvwrel
Everything is alright now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBy9vDsPP0E
Here it comes. Now, Mr. Spock.
Question is, who is gonna get caught with their britches down?
Our shields are dropping!
yea but you gotta luv that intitial burst higher.
if only somehow i could figure out what is happening after the fifteen days are up. all i can think of is a hole.
u can look at later '08
i was more looking for the bernank put to be re-announced in 17 days after a weekend of hookers and blow
Yeah, but, but, but...Ron Insana just gave us the all-clear on Fast Money...
What a fucking tool!!
Damn foolish Eurohumans ....only the Leaning Tower of Pisa and breast implants defy the laws of gravity.
Funniest thing I have heard all day!
Not in the E-commUne. Seems they prefer lack of any market action to legitmate price movements. We should shut the whole scoreboard off just like third grade basketball. Everyone's a winner! Scariest thing is, the US proves more left leaning than the FIBS, they are following our lead.
Time will win in both cases.
Even the Great Pyramids are temporary. Even the sun is temporary.
Michael Jackson still looks the same, though.
You Bastard. I almost choked. Classic.
No, of course not. It's probably just in time for the reaction rally. A medicine for the illness that already curing itself; but perhaps not. Certainly the Europeans are nervous in the service.
no short bids under the market -- suicide!! Hey man nice shot
what budd dwyer did, i highly recommend for the 535 + 9 + wh.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/budd dwyer/weaselaow/motivation/BuddDwyerLulz.jpg?o=10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9mJ82x_l-E
http://12160.info/video/budd-dwyer-suicide
How 'bout at least a last link "graphic-not suitable for all audiences" heads (blown) up.
Last audio: "Someone call an ambulance, a doctor and the police." He's past all three before he hits the floor, that was a river running out of his nose. Guess he preferred a lead breath mint to a shit sammich.
EDIT: was that real or was it a training video for Bernakenstein?
that was disturbing..
here's the thread...short ban eh?
I love it when regulators panic. Oh well tomorrow is going to suck no doubt.
yea tomorrow will suck but monday will be a bloodbath.
No, during the weekend Merkel and Sarkozy will agree to some new rescue shit and the CME will increase gold margins once again (at friday night maybe). Stocks will rally and gold will drop, everything will be fine HAHAHA
does Qdaffy still have any eternal!
unky has beat down!
No I disagree . Since Obama was the bigger chosen for pawing the most bs on one term , I suspect Tim Geithner will announce the AMERO is heal to save the day. Will just need 1.5 trillion to fund it .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk
That was quick. So what
The MSM say's this is extremely Bullishshit
NY TIMES GOT IT RIGHT
FIRST
Even a Socialist blind pig...
Makes for some damn good BBQ ribs.
There is no "i" in team...
E = Europe,
U = you
R = are
O = owe
I can haz short sale ban?
France
Italy
Belgium
Spain
FIBS
that's clever. Unfortunately it seems to be about the level on which they are functioning.
And yet....there is a Me in Team.
There is also an Eat Me if you can use e twice.
Team spells Meat backwards.
That's no something you say to a cow...
or sheep.
this isn't going to end well for them
Jenga!
Unfortunately, we are all Europeans now.
I'm not covered in shit.
It's not clear what exactly was banned, though. Naked shorts?
That's what I want to know.. all short selling or just naked short selling ?
AGAIN a error in the translation.
What it say is:
IT'S BANNED TO WALK NAKED ON THE EURONEXT EXCHANGE, SHORTS ARE OBLIGATORY!
ding ding ding we have a winner folks.
HHhahaahaha +10000 dollars that was hilarious!!!!
But it's OK to run.
I'm running with scissors!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXceET3-awc
Official Google translation from Flemish. Do you still have the Silver in the trunk of your car? That image stuck in my mind. I'll never forget that even if I live for another two years.
whatever still trades will be banned , give them a couple months.
I want my mommy :-(
classic
It's Mum
that's what i think...course naked shorting is always illegal right?
Oh, great.
Well, then I'm sure their stocks will rally now. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Numbers on a computer are the definition of ephemeral.
Hey guys, I just got back from summer vacation on a deserted island. What have I missed?
lol
Buttercup is marrying Humperdinck in a little less than half an hour...
lmao.
http://www.youtube.com/presstvglobalnews#p/u/4/y9qbjNNAafo
the IEA wants to inspect Dimona in Israel!
Iran lets the IEA in?
Israel NEVER HAS!! LOL
Lets Bomb Israel First!
But if we bombed Israel wouldn't that mean that the middle east would more or less get along? And then wouldn't that ruin the Zionist's "end-of-days" wet dreams? Can you believe they call us the doomers? LOL....
Oh, yeah. Arabs and Persians were BFF until Israel showed up.
Moron.
And the PLO & Hamas...and the Shia & Sunni...and just about every other goat herder in Afgaaahhhnnneeestahhhn...lol.
Very peaceful folks ;-)
But, well, the Muslim Brotherhood, why they are the essence of civilized. - Ned
I can never figure out why stoning fags to death doesn't even cause a blip on American Libs radar.
Well, to coin a phrase, Libz have a mental disorder. Ya gotta think through what is going on in the mind of Debbie Schulz.
I'm sorry, I presume that there is a mind, maybe our brother who hangz out in FLA might have information?
- Ned
yes, they have a mental disorder.
Only crimes committed by white people are worthy of condemnation. Nothing done by anybody else should be disapproved.
London riots? Hardly covered...got pics of blacks forcing dumbass whites to strip naked in the middle of the street. Not news. RT covered it in its awesome blackness. CNN? Nah. Flash mobs in the USA, Ohio, Wisconsin, Philly? Nah, talk about flash mobs and show a picture of the white version, where people show up and do a dance routine.
So if a brownish person stones a fag, that's cultural sensitivity. If a white person does something, ZOMG, roll 24x7 coverage.
I mean, FFS, they are cutting women's clitorises off in Egypt by the zillions, in saharan Africa as well...yet...we...hear...shit about it. We just keep hearing about the same old holocaust shit on the Hitler Channel and the Jena 5 or 6 or wtfever and Martin Luther King.
It's almost as if the media is dominated by people who are both marxist and hate anglo saxons.
It really is amazing how little press the flash mobs have gotten.
Yeah, they've been tweeting London up pretty good.
I see the people in England are getting a little pissed. They are running these little fucktard rioters down and putting them in the hospital...now I suppose they'll ban baseball bats in London as well...lol.
It is hard to ban 2x4s.
They have been warned.
A nice wood rasp and some sand paper and you are ready for some serious splinter-free head bashing.
Probably work wonders on the UK's castrated police *cough* force.
I bet every single one of them is fully certified in Sensitivity 101.
the police LET THEM RIOT.
Wanna know why the Police weren't there when they were in their SWAT RIOT glory for G20 and shit? Guess?
Google David Dinkins and Crown Heights if you don't know. Cultural sensitivity is why. Don't want to bring the truncheon down because the cultural sensitivity towards people who are uncivilized and violent must predominate everything. And, they've already cued the fucking EXCUSES for wanton violence, looting, and arson. It's all whitey's fault.
Everybody need to wake up and pick a fuckin side, because if this shit comes your way, what...you're gonna go over and make peace with your bbbbbut....bbbbut...I Voted For Obama act?
I was bussed to every school on the southside of St.Pete. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. But I wouldn't trade my "education" for anything. I could tell you stories that would curl your hair ;-)
But again, its not a skin thing...its a culture thing.
Me and a black guy (Tyrone, yeah I know, but that was his name) used to smoke doobies behind the school. We both knew the end of every school year was a "race riot" because thats the way the "elders" had brought us all up. I asked him one time if he would lay down over me if I went down...he said he couldn't, he had to live there.
I never had to fight him but I beat the hell out of a bunch of his "brothers" over the course of my "education".
Its culture...not skin Trav.
Went to Riveria Middle for 7th, then 16th street Middle for 8th. Riviera (the nice school everyone wanted to get into) was a lot worse. If you didn't have lots of money, they gave you hell. No physical fights, just constant, unending, picking and humiliation. Never got picked on for being poor at 16th street (Southside, bitches). Learned so much there. Physical fights happened, but damn, that just sort of settled things and you moved on. You see two girls going at it, saying crap to each other, and after a long while of this, you make a cirlce around them and you push them into the center, at each other, over and over and you chant "Bitch, bitch, bitch." It's called a bitch party. They throw down and get it over with, or the chick who stands down has to shut her mouth and get along with the other one or we would throw her back in the circle and the other one would probably kick her ass. This was black and white, rich and poor. You watch who you run your mouth at. Culture matters. Skin color, not so much.
Good-bye fonestar
And wouldn't that end the Jewish headlock on banking and media.
And would that put an end to clowns like Glenn Beck!
And wouldn't that give rise to a new 911 investigation?
No way , to scary!!!!! Pass the Kolkata.
it took Hitler half a decade to even reduce this ownership bloc to 33% or so. In the end, after all the nonstop agitation and the marxist insurgency funded by the bankers in the clan and advocated by the media moguls in the clan, the Germans did what many had done before, decided they just couldn't coexist and began expulsion.
The genocide was actually Himmler's idea.
Don't believe we have a bent up news media? Watch RT. The russians retook control of their country and they WILL actually show the reality of the London riots where our news media ignores it or lies because it simply doesn't mesh with the PC doctrine
"The genocide was actually Himmler's idea."
So what does that wind up meaning? Hitler thought it was a good idea too and ran with it?
At least we've gotten past this horseshit that all those rotting bodies, skin covered lampshades, gas chambers, open trench graves were actually real. And it wasn't just the jooos.
It was anyone who opposed the fascist state...or Stalins for that matter.
[And wouldn't that end the Jewish headlock on banking and media.]---In Fed We Trust
Bigotry cloaked in conspiracy. Fed, save your bigoted rants for the Kamp FEMA staff meetings.
They can't even get along in a single country much less the whole Pan-arab falafel.
. . .probably why those who pull the strings keep re-drawing the invisible boundaries & re-naming the "nationstates" for maximum aggro - there's history in that part of the world most people have zero clue about, feuding families & tribes that amrkns love to mock, and yet, were someone to carve up their home state - let's say Texas, and hand portions to, let's say, Mexico - I'm guessing there might be some backlash further on down the road.
but yeah, all the other nations of the world live in peace 'n' harmony, pepsi style.
"If you see two fish fighting in the sea, look for the British guy that started it", may be true, but they have an easier time with some cultures than others, to put it in pleasant language. These groups were at each other's throats centuries before Lawrence got to Arabia.
Perhaps they were at each other's throats because that's what men do, they fight - they war, they loot, they rape their "loot" and it causes deep anger and pain that lasts generations - seriously, is that not what "recorded history" records?
more "recent" history includes whoever was colonising at the time, and yes, it includes "British" - but also most Euro states, no? and that's just the "western hemisphere" - yes, it's global, it's tribal, and based on colour, ethnicity, and within that, male/female also - it's duality, inherent in the descriptive I suppose.
I just find it a bore to read post after post about "those" people when comparable stories rarely get told - it's nationalism, and it's gaining traction, as it always does before war.
I'm no jingoist...while I recognize their aforementioned cultural proclivities I can also appreciate their philopsophy, mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and their greatest gift to mankind: coffee, but "everyone was doing it" has never been a good justification for malice.
Murderous barbarians are easy to manipulate. So what? Maybe they should stop being murdering fucks.
The world does not miss a single one of them.
Because your hands are sooo blood-free, right? LOL
I never shot anyone who was unarmed.
And I certainly never blew up a market with hundreds of people and just did the Insh Allah shit.
Evil is evil.
You can kill it, or bend a knee to it. What do you choose?
Just a FYI.
I don't make it a habit to engage people who spew this type of nonsense.
However, continual comments like this reflect poorly on the credibility of this site as a whole, and the 99% of commentators whom are fantastic.
If you continue to spam the comment sections with the drivel, i will have you banned.
Swedish Child Gets Swastika Tattoo with Fast Food Kids MealRead more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpps/news/offbeat/child-gets-swastika-tattoo-with-fast-food-kids-meal-dpgonc-20110811-fc_14523473#ixzz1UlCWi7Ug
I wanted to get the source for the "dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe," so I tracked it down to Tom Wolfe's "The Intelligent Coed's Guide to America,"
http://volokh.com/posts/1139878045.shtml
great link.
I've gotta get to Wolf's "Intelligent guide.... " there might be some vulerable sow-letts out there, don't cha' know.
- Ned
Now we know why Tyler's Happy Meal (Big Mac) cost $17.19 the other day ... all those complimentary swastika tattooes.
Just who the hell do you think you are? The Zionist-PC enforcer? And on ZH? Big talk.
I notice your avatar is of the one who always manipulates Charlie Brown into trusting her, only to pull the ball away again at the last minute. Very Freudian...
That would be Lucy, dick brain.
My sweet baby Jesus, are you morons too lazy, or too stupid to do a simple Yahoo search before you post and show you are a clueless morons?
hey, rodent_freik_oops: i used google, ok?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwDTLiaSSWOnvHRDQIorcpVkNBiQ0UijF3yYFICRT0KamSD7mEmNvpR8M
from picture of lucy from peanuts - Google Search
why is he a clueless moron? maybe i'm just confused. is it b/c he said to her:
"Just who the hell do you think you are? The Zionist-PC enforcer? And on ZH? Big talk."
i don't think he's a cluless moron. i think lizzy is! maybe she can get jay-dub banned (IF that's whose speech she was "protecting zH from"). so what? she's a styooopid canuckunt much of the time, as here, and she may be the little fuktart behind The Committee To Keep Score, too!
hey, lizzy! you really did yourself proud when you called out the Speaker of the House (if i recall offhand correctly, if not, pls, pls forgive me!) a few weeks ago because he wasn't showing enough "respect" for prez0. or are you a "constitutional lawyer" like president milk dud, with "dual citizenship" too?
yes, we know you can post pictures and you're very powerful here. now go fuk yerself you styooopid little asswipe!
Lizzie - thank you. I like Zh and would prefer haters take their sickening crap elsewhere. It's been a while since "one of the moderators" has wielded the ban hammer....
BanHammer the movie, bitchez!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uDwnkji1Yc
Says the person who's been here for 3 weeks...
Someone must have reactivated Megaphone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool
Time does not automatically equal value.
What are you, a union thug?
Nope. I just hate Zionists. That's all. I smell some in these comments. I'm a h8ter.
On the flipside, people should learn what Zionism is before threatning to ban posters. Discrimination against Isrealis I consider to be pretty bad, but Zionism is not a race, it's an ideology. Thare has been countless amounts of deaths to support that ideology.
The movement by people employed by the IDF to censor bad opinions of anything even remotely considered anti-Zionist, or anti-Israel is counter productive, and only supports a well established elite. This is not the purpose of this website. I find it abhorent that muslim-bashing is tolerated, but yet any tiny comment against Israel is met with threats of being banned.
I hope the directing staff at Zero Hedge will be able to make the difference between a comment directed towards an certain ideology, as oppossed to a race of people. Zionism is not a race of people.
Okay, but please explain how Zionism has the smallest f'king thing to do with Europe banning short sales.
You want to do OT? Okay.
There is no more sexy female in the entire world than Kate Beckinsale in leather, with guns.
Damn, I need to visit my bunk.
Thank you for this, I think most of us are pretty much fed up with this sort of idiocy.
JW has made lots of posts I'd never chose to defend, but honestly, this isn't one of them.
I think perhaps you're being a bit too sensitive in this case, as his point is valid.
Given you're an old-timer here, I don't think your knee-jerk reaction reflects any better on the credibility of the site than his rants.
But of course, that's just my opinion.
Edit: nevermind, I see he posted the same thing all over everywhere.
so what? i don't get somthing, here, maybe. ok? he can post this once, but not more times?
what about the gerald celente trolls? ORI? the silvedoctor? the latter two, and others post seemingly endless links to...themselves! but so what, really? now, i do see some of the real spammer trolls not being around to advertise their purses and sports jive this week, which is fine with me!
but i'm concerned b/c imho. this is political speech by jay-dub in FL, and it is not pro-israel, as far as i can tell. and, if lizzy thinks it's "nonsense" i welcome her opinion, but i do not hafta share it do i?
maybe the biggest pile of shit on this page is: "...the 99% of commentators whom (sic) are fantastic." why? b/c it is patently FALSE! it is a L-I-E! and look who wrote it!
maybe i object to the "power" play which i see aimed @ jay-dub. i'll own the perception, but i'll be damned if i'll apologize for it. i've ignored so many of jay-dubs posts, it's huge. yet, i value his participation, as i do each/all of the others involved in this discussion (including lizzie), and my only regret is that i didn't spend more time on this page, earlier.
lizzie: ms amour, macholatte (?), Optimusprimer, moi, dwdollar, NotApplicable, nmeon, Kayman, Lednbrass, and trav (i'll stop at 10): have each been at least a bit disturbed, here, some more than others. i'm very concerned about protecting unfettered speech, here. tyler, as our publisher, gives us a great honor to try to protect this right here, because it does not exist, elsewhere. so let's try to kill each other, do our damnedest, show some respect, and move on.
lizzie, i'll take you @ protecting us from spam. but at the same time, let me say goodnight by saying that you sure flushed out two people who would just love to see speech on zH "normalized" and i will call them out, for everyone: Galen Slade {Lizzie - thank you. I like Zh and would prefer haters take their sickening crap elsewhere. It's been a while since "one of the moderators" has wielded the ban hammer....} and theopco: {Thank you for this, I think most of us are pretty much fed up with this sort of idiocy.}
for those of you who continue to wonder and fret about how zH can be "fixed" and "made better" i will tell you straight up: over slewie's dead fuking body!
night-night!
hey pi-rat,
I realise this thread is dead, just wanted to ack-knowledge yer verbiage, and *nod* in agreement. it's such an eye-roll to see the little crowd form here around "off color" posts relating to the Z's - but it's the same crowd as usual, and using the same "ohmy, let's be reasonable here" tactics - few are fool'd. no one moans about "off color" pron, race, etc. - but ooooooh, the zzzzz. !!
peeps would do well to LEARN the difference between "jews" & "zionists" - particularly when many Z's are Xtians & politicians! here in amrka - I have j friends who aren't z (or x) - but after reading some of the posts about the colour wheel & assigned motives, it would appear folk have their minds closed & heels dug in.
whatev - thx for taking the time.
Lizzy,
I think its off color too.
The IEA are a hopelessly compromised bunch of fools. Israel is an ally and always will be for a host of reasons. They did a valuable service to all humanity by bombing the shit out of Syria's nascent "agriculture station" in the middle of the desert that was being furnished with "North Korean cement". Everyone knows what it was...El Baridei was an idiot or worse in his capacity as the IAEA head, more likely the latter.
However, we can't give into the temptation to ban what we don't agree with. Everyone should have a right to an opinion here, they just don't have a right to have it respected, appreciated or agreed with.
My opinion.
Opinion, yes.
Spam, not so much.
Good point.
nmewn
Mostly ZH is a good read with good comments. We have our share of predisposed haters and idiots.
Banning them gives them an iota of credence, as if a thinking person could somehow be harmed by them.
If it was grade school then banning them would make sense. But this is FIGHT CLUB. If they piss you off then bloody them. Otherwise, ignore them.
"But this is FIGHT CLUB. If they piss you off then bloody them."
Agreed ;-)
I'm guessing a real world fight club would ban someone who just kicked people in the knee and then ran away.
He's alright...just confused by bullshit me thinks.
But of course, after all it is your tender sensibilities which really matter.
wtf are you gonna do, start hollering "RAYCISS" at everybody?
You ain't having fucking anyone banned
Have you seen this poster?
http://incogman.net/07/2011/incog-man-psa-series-poster-1/
You have to understand the eyeball triangle Lucifer worshipers, better know as the Illuminati want us all fighting each other. Jewish vs Muslim, Rich vs Poor, Jewish vs Christian, Black vs White, Hispanic vs Black, China Vs America, American vs Iran, "liberal"vs "conservative" Women vs Men, and on and on.....
The point is as long as we aren't fighting them, they win and we the common people lose.
As long as you pushing this stuff, you are helping the bad guys, the ones who would enslave or kill you. So you really need to come over to the good common peoples side. In them there is Faith, Hope, and Love our only hope.
If there is any hope for the future we must unite against them and their banking syndicate.
Spot on -- it seems that human nature leads us to fight among ourselves like this though. People are generally unwilling to sweep aside the bs mindfuck that has us all aimlessly going against each other and go after the punk behind the curtain who is the game-master.
Divide and conquer, bitchez!
The elite who meet to greet and beat have been using it successfully as a strategy to plunder for some 6,000 years or so.
If we only had a wheelbarrow, that would be something.
Oh, what I wouldn't give for a holocaust cloak.
If I had a month to plan I might come up with something.
plan? Start NOW!
Leadership is getting someone to do what they don't want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve.
Tom Landry
What I wouldn't give for a holocaust cloak...You'd do better with a clue, but I doubt you care about that.
Mars is bailing us out.