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Biderman Demands New 'Non-Parasitic' Constitutional Convention

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"If we continue forward in the direction we are headed, what lies ahead is an almost certain major economic calamity" is the subtle introduction from the Bay-Area baddest bull-crusher. Charles Biderman, CEO of TrimTabs, is angry - and you wouldn't like him when he's angry - as he believes "it no longer matter who wins elections, because the special interest groups control, and in some cases own, the representatives" and the US needs a new constitutional convention. He has touched on this before but his ire is very clear here as he sees the "special interest groups as parasites" and believes that due to the rapid changes in social media technologies that a new way of governing ourselves is possible (though we still doubt it). "The road ahead to a new constitutional convention will not be easy," he concludes, given the big bucks will try and convince us they are necessary, but it appears Lewis Black's avuncular alter ego is ready to take 'em on.

 

 

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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:34 | 2608394 veyron
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How much does Biderman pay ZH to show his videos?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:39 | 2608411 fonzannoon
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Hey Veyron you should youtube "Peter Schiff schools another Harvard Grad". If you have not seen it already. It will open your eyes. It opened mine.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:56 | 2608454 Bay of Pigs
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Yes, Biderman is clearly a hack. Time to take this clown to task.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MIFGfgKHrwU#t=137s

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:39 | 2608584 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Biderman!  Biderman!

Does everything a Bider can!

Yelling loud!  Looking old!

Betting on facebook!  So I'm told!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:40 | 2608589 veyron
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http://trimtabs.com/blog/2012/05/14/bidermans-daily-edge-5142012-stocks-...

 

Said he would buy into the IPO when it hit the market (42).  Now look at it ...

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:51 | 2608614 Michael
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Let's have a national survey and hold all Americans to their answers. Let's find out who the real enemies of the USA are and get names.

1: Do you support enforcement of the US Constitution? Yes/No

2: Do you reject the US Constitution? Yes/No

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:21 | 2608689 BlackGoldTexasTea
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The Constitution of No Authority

http://www.mind-trek.com/treatise/ls-cona.htm

  1. The pretended "U.S. constitution" has been a fraud and a hoax from the outset. It was never signed as a contract in any legal way by anyone. It never bound anyone. It was foisted on a naive, gullible, credulous populace.
  2. Therefore, the pretended "United States of America" has been a fraud and a hoax from the outset. It is pure imagination or make-believe.
  3. The pretended "government of the U.S.A." has no legal authority whatsoever. It is a hoax and a fraud in its entirety.
  4. All the people claiming to be "presidents," "senators," "representatives," "secretaries," "judges," "generals," "ambassadors," etc. of the pretended "U.S.A." are liars and impostors, whether they realize it or not. They are hucksters and hoaxers.
  5. The pretended "laws" of the pretended "U.S.A." are in reality no more than absurd noises and scribbles made by liars and impostors.
  6. The same applies to all other pretended "states" and "countries" of the world. Their pretended "emperors," "kings," "queens," "prime ministers," etc. have all been liars and impostors all along. Likewise, all their pretended "laws" have in reality been no more than absurd noises and scribbles of liars and impostors.
  7. The real rulers all along have been the major money lenders behind the scenes. The pretended "presidents," "senators," "representatives," "secretaries," "judges," "generals," "ambassadors," "emperors," "kings," "queens," "prime ministers," etc. are mostly pawns of the money lenders.
  8. In reality the whole world is ruled by secret bands of money lenders, tyrants, robbers, and murderers.
Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:04 | 2608787 American34
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Untrue. And what does it matter who signs what papers. "Governments" are NOT the paperwork laws are signed on, they are ideals that societies are based on and supported by. The whole idea of legal and illegal by means of people signing paperwork is nothing without support by the masses and the resources they devote to support it. Your argument about people signing peices of paper and that making it right or wrong, legal or illegal, means nothing. Paper work is nothing unless people follow and support what it says. IT IS JUST PAPER AND INK! Nothing more! Thats it! Who cares who signs what. All that matters is whether a large group of people with significant resources to bring to bear support WHAT THAT PAPER SAYS! Its not about the paper, its about the idea and ideals written on it!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:20 | 2608819 BlackGoldTexasTea
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You should read the entire link I gave you.  It addresses the issues you've raised.

I'm just born here on this planet.  And, then I'm immediately given a nationality based on arbitrary borders that were created before I was born.  Something I never agreed to.  Never signed a contract.

Anyway, it's an interesting read.  But, as I've said before, most people do not want to be free.  They want to be ruled over.  That's why the Fed is still there.  That's why the Euro was allowed.  The people have the power, but they don't exercise it because they don't want to be free.  They want to be ruled over and enslaved.  They won't do anything until they are starving, but then the only thing they'll do is try to find another "leader" or ruler who promises to give them their bread and circuses.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:27 | 2608949 CompassionateFascist
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Yes, the situation's hopeless. Everyone is evil and stupid except Texas Tea, who resents the fact that he was born at all. On the topic at hand, the existing Constitutition is fine - it's just that the pols no longer pay any attention to it, and the legal system itself - witness the Zerocare ruling - is now under Corporate-Marxist control. A "Constitutional Convention" would involve turning a gang of Jew and Jew-schooled lawyers loose on the document, quickly transforming it into a combination of the Talmud and the Communist Manifesto. Instead it needs to be, and will be re-operationalized (less the Income tax and the Fed) via: Civil War.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:25 | 2609037 BlackGoldTexasTea
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Situation isn't hopeless, yet.  At least not for me.

Most people are not evil.  Most people are stupid, though.  I am smarter than most people, too.  I'm glad you acknowledge my intelligence.

How did that last civil war thing go?  And, note, the government had far fewer ways to kill people then.  Why are you ranting on the Internet instead of out in the streets launching this new civil war?

 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 03:23 | 2609108 Ghordius
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do you have any idea how "beefy-arrogant-imperialistic" your point nr. 8 sounds to lots of non-Americans? If you have a problem with the government and laws in your country, fine. Rant, change, whatever. But what gives you the right to extend your rant to foreign countries and peoples?

"In reality the whole world is ruled by secret bands of money lenders, tyrants, robbers, and murderers."

what is so secret about the current crop of "money lenders", i.e. the MegaBanks? the FED and King reserve currency USD? Or the fact that Egypt was run for decades by the Pentagon? "robbers"? Have you ever got the message about the MegaCorps's inroads in all facets of this world's economy? And don't get me started with murderers...

and of course, this gem: "That's why the Euro was allowed". Yeah, you are an expert on this, eh? You should have been asked, eh?

you might be smart, but your "secret" is only "secret" to you. wake up, grow up and clean up your own front yard first before you extend your rant to the whole world...

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 03:35 | 2609126 AnAnonymous
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But what gives you the right to extend your rant to foreign countries and peoples?

____________________

It is answered in the question. Well known to US citizens by the way.

Countries are peopled by people (the great discovery) and US citizens have been defining human king since the inception of US citizenism.

US citizens have put a monopoly on human condition.

Nothing new.

When they stated that human beings have this or that unalienable rights etc, was the same.

Keep up with US citizenism, it would help preventing rhetorical questions.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 09:52 | 2609666 KK Tipton
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Why do Russia and China get a pass?

They do what they are able to on Planet Earth. This means taking what *they* want when possible.
No thought for any other entities.
Just like the US government. No difference except the paper and flags.

You are also correct that Russia and China *do not* value individual human life.

Speaking as a human...fuck you *and* them.
I'm not speaking for every human...but this human says fuck off.

See the distinction?

You (and those like you) create nothing good or redeeming.
You produce nothing of value.
You solve no problems.
You are automatons, empty shells.

Thanks for playing. Actual humans will take it from here.

 

 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:28 | 2608955 AldousHuxley
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ECONOMY OF NAZI GERMANY

 

HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT

Nazis came to power in the midst of the Great Depression. When the Nazis came to power the most pressing issue was an unemployment rate of  30%.[17] Before World War II, Hitler appointed Hjalmar Schacht, a former member of the German Democratic Party, as President of the Reichsbank in 1933 and Minister of Economics in 1934.

 

KEYNESIAN DEFICIT SPENDING

Policies were Keynesian, relying on large public works programs supported by deficit spending – took advantage of the freedom provided by the end of the gold standard to keep interest rates low and government budget deficits high, with massive public works funded by large budget deficits.

 

ANTI-UNION

Trade unions were abolished, as well as collective bargaining and the right to strike.[45] The right to quit also disappeared: Labour books were introduced in 1935, and required the consent of the previous employer in order to be hired for another job.

 

HIGH MILITARY SPENDING

They also directed Schacht to place more emphasis on military production and rearmament.In 1936, military spending in Germany exceeded 10% of GNP, higher than any other European country at the time, after years of limitations imposed by the Versailles Treaty. Military investment also exceeded civilian investment from 1936 onwards

 

STATE SPONSORED ENTERPRISES

the German state came to play an increasing dominant role in the German economy through state-owned companies

 

FASCISM: BIG BUSINESS & STATE

As big business became increasingly organized, it developed an increasingly close partnership with the Nazi government. The government pursued economic policies that maximized the profits of its business allies, and, in exchange, business leaders supported the government's political and military goals

The largest firms were mostly exempt from taxes on profits

 

LOWERED LIVING STANDARDS

While the strict state intervention  led to full employment during the 1930s, real wages in Germany dropped by roughly 25% between 1933 and 1938. 

Unrest caused by the breakdown of German social policies, and the sharp drop in living standards for the German working class forced Hitler into going to war at a time and place not of his choosing.

 

WAR AS FOREIGN POLICY

when faced with the deep socio-economic crisis the Nazi leadership had decided to embark upon a ruthless “smash and grab” foreign policy of seizing territory in Eastern Europe which could be pitilessly plundered to support living standards in Germany.

 

ANY OF THIS SOUND FAMILIAR AMERICANS?

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 04:13 | 2609152 Kyron95131
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this is Noam Chomsky's exact arguement for stating that the united states is in danger of migrating into a fascist nation.

 

and im not one to debate reality with opinions, so he wins.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:04 | 2608790 FEDbuster
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"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."

- Napoleon Bonaparte, 1815

Ann Barnhardt says to avoid American Revolution II, we need to find some stand up guy in the military to lead a junta in the US.  I am not optimistic, but it has the same chance as a Constitutional Convention.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:48 | 2608964 CompassionateFascist
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Joan of Arc seeks Prince Valiant; one wearing a really long sword. Here's the real Annie B., @ http://www.nfa.futures.org/basicnet/Arbitration.aspx?entityid=0282801&case=09ARB00009.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 08:43 | 2609497 FEDbuster
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Could you find and post Jon Corzine's and MF Global's NFA records? 

So she had one arbitration hearing that was settled, does that make her commentary wrong?

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 05:20 | 2609171 cpzimmon
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Fed, best answer to Biderman's proposal I've seen yet. You obviously know your shit.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:03 | 2608897 dolce vita
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"common sense is not so common"

 

voltaire

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:59 | 2608778 FEDbuster
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Did you catch the start, they were laughing about the debt ceiling going up to 9 trillion (2006), ah the good ole days. 

Biderman might not want to remember that appearance on CNBS.  He can join Art Laffer in the Peter Schiff Was Right Hall of Shame.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:38 | 2608722 Oldrepublic
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sorry duplication

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:58 | 2608460 Ness.
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Considering you watched the video and posted a comment within 3 minutes... not enough.  

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:35 | 2608566 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Considering Tyler posts Biderman almost daily I think we can judge him accurately.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:29 | 2608549 Catflappo
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I'm with you Veyron....  I don't dislike Biderman, but he doesn't give anything particularly new in the way of color.   If he posted once every two weeks I'd probably listen.... but, most days???  C'mon ZH - you are above all this - well above it in fact

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:02 | 2608646 Bay of Pigs
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Exactly my beef Cat. He makes Zero Hedge look bad.

I'm wondering whats going on here behind the scenes. It's getting soft here.

 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 06:59 | 2609229 i-dog
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Amen! Memes are being planted.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:35 | 2608397 NemoDeNovo
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PLEASE just let it END sooner rather then later, this shit is getting insane...............................

 

 

Calgon.....Take Me AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:03 | 2608643 Ignatius
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I'm all for it if we can hold the convention at Biderman's bad-ass pad in Sausalito.

That view will come in real handy as some of the more, how do we say, ah, 'esoteric' ideas are tossed around.

Catherine Austin Fitts has been all over  parasitic/tapeworm economics.  Biderman is 'right' but, oh boy, try telling the banksters to wait outside.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:39 | 2608409 bankruptcylawyer
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biderman yea constitutional conventions because americans really care!. 

 

how about this for a suggestion. if you care enough to do something, go out there and destroy property. accelerate the collapse. the sooner people are starving in the streets, the sooner something gets done. 

the end of the beginning of the collapse will be marked by the torching of banks and bankers . then the beginning of the middle happens. and that will be really painful for the middle class. there is no 'other' way. constitutional conventions my ass. 

 

they could have had a constitutional convention about slavery and northern taxation/tariffs. instead, they had the civil war. read your history. stop 'hoping' for hopium nonsense. 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:53 | 2608447 Kyron95131
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This is why i went out and got AIDS as soon as i heard about it. cause it was a great excuse to have sex and were all gonna die anyways right?

 

/sarcasm off

 

i get the fact your upset and feel helpless, welcome to the majority. but lay off the torches and pitches forks there mad max.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:59 | 2608463 iDealMeat
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It's a lot easier then that.... Just stop buying useless crap at retail.. Legacy overhead infrastructure costs will collapse the system precipitously.

 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:21 | 2608932 adr
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What is really funny is that retail names like Target are flying high because of hype surrounding things that make up less than 1% of thier sales.

Target is a whole lot more than the fifteen feet on the right when you walk in the door. The entire center aisle of the store is a wasted space filled with dead inventory. The hardware and furniture sections at Target have products with an inch of dust covering them.

Toys have been a complete disaster this year. Target took in a giant inventory of Battleship toys, the movie flopped and the toys flopped. Men in Black toys were on the shelf for a week before they went to 75% off. GI Joe toys were going to be a big part of the summer season, the movie got pushed back until 2013 and Target got fucked on the million worth of inventory they carried.

Video games outside three or four titles have been a disaster as well, TVs aren't selling. Summer sold like crap.

So a couple fashion items and iPads sold well. You can't make a store that size a success off 1% of the space. The "Accountants" are working overtime in the kitchen to cook the books.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:00 | 2608779 bankruptcylawyer
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look , what i'm saying is that if you want some real change like biderman, advocating for 'conventions' is bullshit. the system is collapsing like it did in russia. 

when asked about the collapse in russia, gorbechav responded that he only regrets he didn't try and make it occur quicker. 

 

when it comes to the american system, the quicker the government runs out of money ( by deficit spending and by borrowing more and ---because we know interest rates will never be allowed to go up again----by davaluing the currency overnight and stealing the savings of americans) the quicker people realize the farce and the quicker the end comes to this system.

the constitution we have now is mostly fine enough. the problem is the people and the sytem, not the 'law'. there is no rule of law, and you cannot fix that by changing the 'law' you must change the authority.  

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:49 | 2608868 icanhasbailout
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If you want to collapse the system, find a way to get on the government dole. There's a way for everyone, no matter how wealthy you are.

 

Cloward-Piven is now a libertarian strategy. Hop on board to bring this mess to a swift conclusion.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:43 | 2608982 Wave-Tech
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Agreed!  So how do you change the authority?  The only way to maintain the sanctity and brilliance of the Framers documents is to use what the Framers provided us with, ARTICLE-V of the Constitution. It's there for a reason.

Check out the both videos here and the link to the entire conference led by RootStrikers (on the left) and the Tea Party (on the right).  Not perfect – nothing ever is, but it is a framework with which to build upon.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:46 | 2608425 fonzannoon
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Anyone in NYC see Bloomberg wants to start getting buildings that are all studio apartments less than 300sq feet each? The future ain't pretty. It sure looks like China. Ross Perot nailed it a long time ago.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:07 | 2608657 you enjoy myself
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saw that and started crying/laughing.  he's trying to revolutionize closet space so you can exist in manhattan on less than $2K rent, but it doesn't even dawn on him to eliminate rent control.   its the equivalent of Obama killing pipelines and oil rigs, but advocating proper tire pressure as the solution to increasing energy prices.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:43 | 2608734 JohnG
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Yeah OK.  They are small.

Have you seen the rental rates in Manhattan lately?  Furthermore, if you aren't there much, why would you need the space?

I've lived in single rooms before.  Much smaller, with a sofa to sleep on, a small desk, and a small closet.

So, if it fits your needs, fine.  If you need 4,000 sq. feet fine. The bong will fit either way!

All depends on ones needs.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:49 | 2608744 fonzannoon
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Hey listen if you are single and can find a chick to come back there with you then you are smoother than I am. Beyond being a single guy/girl it's a freakin can of sardines. 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:46 | 2608427 Hype Alert
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LOL, can you imagine the constitution the current group of clowns would put together?  Has he tried to read obamacare (PPACA) or the DODD-FRANK disaster?  And, it would simply be bought and paid just like the two I mentioned.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:04 | 2608468 Muppet Pimp
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Absolutely correct,  The existing constitution is fine, we just need to go back to abiding by it.  We need to start dismantling crappy legislation, not adding to it.  We can start with the simplification of the tax code. Bidermans suggestion of a new constitution is scary.  This man is not to be trusted unless he changes his tune about that.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:00 | 2608639 sosoome
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"We can start with the simplification of the tax code."

 

How bout we just go back to constitutional taxation. The days of tinkering are over (or need to be). Undo what Wilson did.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:41 | 2608979 Wave-Tech
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Agreed!  The only way to maintain the sanctity and brilliance of the Framers documents is to use what the Framers provided us with, ARTICLE-V of the Constitution.

Check out the both videos here and the link to the entire conference led by RootStrikers (on the left) and the Tea Party (on the right).  Not perfect – nothing ever is, but it is a framework with which to build upon.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:46 | 2608429 Jeronimo
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Lookie here, what he is saying is indeed a bit obtuse, but let's not forget that the fact that what he is saying it is in and of itself significant and pitiful at the same time.  We do need a new constitution, but the fact is that we don't have the slightest incling of what it would be like because we are all dazed and confused that we lost the one we had forever.  Freedom will not ring on it's own, it needs a big hammer to make it sing and we are the people are the only ones that can wield it, but we don;t.  So let's not kill the messinger, the fact is we are really, really f'd and no one want to step forward and ring the bell for the end of round one.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:48 | 2608438 sablya
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What a naive dreamer!  The privilege to write the Constitution came at the price of a revolution and a great deal of blood, sweat and tears.  There isn't the slightest chance that any change to our political structure could happen without a revolution and a ridiculous amount of bloodshed.  

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:49 | 2608441 sosoome
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Biderman, repeal of the 16th & 17th don't require throwing the whole barn open for the wolves. That's all we have to do to turn this ship around.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:50 | 2608869 icanhasbailout
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the 19th is the real problem

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:50 | 2608443 RobotTrader
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Every time I see Biderman he looks older, more dishelveled, and angrier.

 

One day, the guy's head is simply going to explode out of frustration.

I recently returned from a week in Maui on the North Shore.

Tons of ultra-wealthy people are building houses there, I bet none of those guys are the "doom and gloom" type.

In fact, I don't know anybody who is a doom and gloom guy who ever got rich, except for a handful who soored huge in the 2008 meltdown.  And a few of those guys lost everything making bad bets later, like John Paulson.  If only Paulson could have stayed in the SPY at the bottom and rode it up, or bought Treasuries instead of gold.

Oh well, at least we are sure to have another massive selloff within the next 25 years, so all hope is not lost on the bears yet.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:06 | 2608475 Bay of Pigs
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Wow, I finally agree with you on someting. He looks and sounds terrible.

You are dead wrong on the "new homes in Maui" assertion. I have lived there for the last few years. Very few new homes are being built anywhere on the island. Almost none.

And there is also a considerable amount of shadow inventory yet to hit the market. 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:37 | 2608578 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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At least RobotTrader's pic has nice boobs.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:09 | 2608663 sosoome
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Those are not nice boobs. They are just wads of plastic.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:19 | 2608518 Hedgetard55
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The "North Shore" is on Oahu. It's where the big waves come in, like at Sunset and Waimea.

 

And "soored" is not a word.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:49 | 2608745 JohnG
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Caught him!!!!!!

Hope you had a nice time in Maui Robo.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:38 | 2608580 ISEEIT
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You are still funny Robo. But pushing a bit hard on this one:)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:39 | 2608582 Pure Evil
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Has MDB somehow morphed into RoboT or vice-versa?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:45 | 2608604 disabledvet
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Not to be outdone "Larry Ellison buys an entire Hawaiian island." http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/22/business/la-fi-ellison-buying-la...
i'm not sure if that makes him an optimist or pessimist myself. sure makes him rich tho!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CquMO3vJvo
i'd really like to play "Higgy baby"...you know "the English guy who keeps droning on and on about his time fighting the Mau-mau in the Boar War" and shit.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:47 | 2608611 disabledvet
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Or is it Boer War? Maybe it was "bore war"? I mean "do people really get excited by this shit"? if i wasn't about to get killed "any minute now" i'm certain no one would really care actually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CquMO3vJvo

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:54 | 2608449 tbd108
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What we need is to return to the Articles of Confederation and put the Central Planners back in their cage.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 07:48 | 2609268 i-dog
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Now you're talking!

From the minute American gained and declared its independence, the Luciferian Central Planners (directed from Europe) stepped in and "steered" the outcome into a Constitution that re-established a central hegemony.

From the moment that Trojan Horse was wheeled into the new Confederation of independent, self-governing States, the fix was in!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:57 | 2608456 q99x2
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The new constitution should include the new monetary system that is run as open source. If he will put something like that in it as well as law by referundum I won't even mention the telephone wires or even the telephone pole. You can't see the wires today much anyhow because of the clouds.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:58 | 2608458 Herodotus
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There were no Jews at the original constitutional convention and there should not be any at a new one.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:08 | 2608484 greggh99
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Alexander Hamilton was born of a Jewish mother. He drafted the resolution that led to the assembly of the Convention.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:11 | 2608497 Dr. Acula
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Some jews aren't statist tards. Consider Murray Rothbard.

"Rothbard advocated abolition of coercive government control of society and the economy. He considered the monopoly force of government the greatest danger to liberty and the long-term well-being of the populace, labeling the state as nothing but a "gang of thieves writ large"—the locus of the most immoral, grasping and unscrupulous individuals in any society" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:36 | 2608575 Herodotus
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Yes, there are some good ones, but that is usually the exception to the rule.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:42 | 2608687 Oldrepublic
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He was born in Nevis of a Huguenot mother

RE Hamilton

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 07:38 | 2609308 i-dog
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His family was closely associated with the Jesuits and the Catholic Stewarts of Scotland. After his father ran off, he was "adopted" by a closet Jesuit and his Jewish wife on Saba, attended a private Jewish school, and then introduced into the Jesuit community in Philadelphia.

An inordinate number of Jesuits were closely associated with Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton as "advisors" and "confidantes". Many of the "founding fathers" were also Freemasons, which had been taken over by Weishaupt and the Jesuits during that same period.

The fix was in!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:00 | 2608459 Dr. Acula
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>'Non-Parasitic' Constitutional Convention

Isn't this is an oxymoron? "Constitution" automatically implies "parasite":

Per http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/constitution, a constitution is "the fundamental political principles on which a state is governed, esp when considered as embodying the rights of the subjects of that state".

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:01 | 2608465 Seer
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Thank You!

As soon as you empower another with the right to kill others you empower them to kill YOU.  Yup, let's scream for "property rights" and give "them" the power to kill us for it!  People want their cake and to be able to eat it too, and when this fantasy doesn't happen they blame others (perhaps the very people and or system they gave their power to)!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:58 | 2608461 Seer
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What does Biderman produce?  FUCKING NOTHING!

Careful about throwing bricks when you live in a glass house.

He only wants a small change that will BENEFIT him and his clientele.

I didn't watch this (his schtick is getting a bit old), but I imagine that he used the word "growth."  And if he did he failed to mention WHAT should grow, HOW it should grow, and, how LONG it should grow.  The "I demand there be growth" could be sufficient for ME, for the rest of my life and then it collapses; but, there will have been GROWTH!

Hey, Biderman! let's ask the native American Indians whether they too are up for a "new" non-parasitic "Constitutional Convention."

Ultimately people like Biderman will be faced to trace what is the REAL host to all the "parasites."  Hint: the FINITE planet. (yeah, growth, "strength through exhaustion!")

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:58 | 2608462 greggh99
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He says "special interest groups" 8 times. He says "corporations" 0 times. How can anyone take him seriously?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:10 | 2608489 Seer
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As noted above, I didn't watch the video... did he specifically define "special interest groups?"  Could one not say that corporate shareholders for a given corporation is a "special interest group?"  Isn't the interest "profit?"

I defend logic.  It's like people who back "speculators" for things on one hand and on the other praise "the markets."  Markets are ALL about "speculation" (if not speculation, then it's a "known," which then ventures into the realm of insider trading and other fixing to generate a KNOWN outcome).

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:10 | 2608487 LoneStarHog
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The last thing we need is a Constitutional Convention (aka A ConCon).  Those in the private meetings of the ConCon can come forward and establish a legal form of government much worse than the bastardized mess that we have now.  What we need is to ENFORCE The U.S. Constitution and appropriate laws!

If you want a ConCon, Biderman, YOU ARE A F__KING IDIOT!!!!!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:29 | 2608551 hungrydweller
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You sir, are one of the FEW who understand the dangers of a Constituional Convention. 

Hat Tip!

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:40 | 2608976 Wave-Tech
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Agreed!  The only way to maintain the sanctity and brilliance of the Framers documents is to use what the Framers provided us with, ARTICLE-V of the Constitution.

Check out the both videos here and the link to the entire conference led by RootStrikers (on the left) and the Tea Party (on the right).  Not perfect – nothing ever is, but it is a framework with which to build upon.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:11 | 2608491 joemayo
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The Free Shit Army will have a seat at that table.  The Constitution we ignore now is far better than a new one that will be followed to the MF letter.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:15 | 2608507 wardawg12
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Sorry Charles, yesterday's war, yesterday's tactics. Too many rent seekers, too few producers. Gotta cull the herd. Too bad there's not separate dimensions to divide the two.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:21 | 2608525 mr_bad
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Why doesn't he want to get rid of the 16th Amendment?  Does he like giving his money to the special interest owned politicians to spend on war, bailouts, and debt?

If you read the 16th Amendment;

 

The Congress shall have power to lay [to impose] and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived [received], without apportionment [dividing by a plan] among the several States, and without regard to any census [population count] or enumeration. [naming/ counting]

Notice how it basically says, "Congress has the power to take as much of your money as they want and spend it on whatever they want"

With that in mind, who do he think paid off the politicians to create the 16th Amendment in the first place?  (...perhaps, the special interests?)

He's right, there does need to be a Constitutional Convention, but the first thing they need to do is repeal the 16th Amendment. 

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:29 | 2608548 Ned Zeppelin
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Start with an amendment that pronounces that only human beings have rights under the Constitution, not corporations or other non-human entities.  Start there.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:40 | 2608587 Herodotus
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Yes, corporations, jews, negroes, and women should be excluded.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:00 | 2608781 Oldballplayer
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Only white, Protestant land owners should be able to vote. And no kids. Kids are idiots. Women too, they are too emotional. And it should an open vote so every other white mature male landowner can see what you are thinking.

Yeah. That sounds great.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 06:55 | 2609220 Benjamin Glutton
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I propose an UNCONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION!!!!

Remove all from the Constitution that does not honor the original spirit of The Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the obvious rights of mankind.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:29 | 2608550 Mr. Fix
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 Hasn't it occurred to anyone that the United States already has a constitution?

 By now it is obvious that nobody seems to remember that fact.

 If we simply paid attention to the one that we had, valued it, and enforced it,

 we would be fine.

 

 All the problems that we are facing today are the direct result of trying to monkey with the Constitution, and what we have wound up with is complete  lawlessness.

 It's a nice thought, but it is highly unlikely we will ever have any respect for our Constitution or any new constitution, those days are long gone.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:33 | 2608560 ankehaton
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bring back the Articles of Confederation

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:34 | 2608562 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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facbook will save us!

lol

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:44 | 2608605 WaltzTangoFoxtrot
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Charles,

If there is a new convention, to revise or insitute a new Constitution,  all of the special interest groups you so deride will strive, push and do all in theri powers to win the day.  

Imagine for one moment, that the followers of Allah will have thier way, or that P&G will have sway, or that lobbists for GE will get in the fight.  What then?   What if the public sector unions chime in?  Who, or how, will the voice of the people win the day?

I beleive, sincerely, that our Constitution, the US Constitution, is a sacred document, and a lighted path that lays out the foundations of personal liberty, specifies the limits of federal government, and that the power of the document relys solely on the consent of the goverened.  It may have been bastardized over the decades, and tweaked by SCOTUS decisions, but elections of the people today and tomorrow shall show the way.  If it is the consent of the governed that we shall become something different, then that is as it shall be. Those who disagree may stay and rebel, or flee.  Such is thier right.  

A new constitution can only be suggested after a collapse of our society or government, when the special intersts are at their weakest, and held captive by the goverened.    

I hope that such an event never occurs. 

 

WTF

 

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:49 | 2608746 BuckShotJones
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Totally agree.

The NWO types made several attempts at a Constitution convention in the early and mid 90's. In fact, when a state votes for a Con-Con, its vote stays active until the state legislature votes, in a separate bill, to rescind the previous state legislature's vote. Many NWO types argued that once a Con-Con vote of the state was in the affirmative, no future state legislature could rescind. it. That argument is still up in the air and would likely head to the Obamacare "supreme" court for a decision. To indicate how close to disaster we were in 2008 and perhaps even today, the United States Constitution was to be jettisoned if only 2 more states voted for a Con-con. 34 of the 50 state legislatures voting in the affirmative automatically convenes one. We were at 32 in 2008

The “Special Interests” ( that Biderman is so concerned about) spent large sums of money to lobby in several states to get the Con-con called. Handing over the creation to a new Constitution to special interest paid-off state politicians, excuse me – “responsible delegates” is insane. That is when the civil war will really start. My understanding is that there is a new push for a Con-con. The TPTB are leveraging the anger at the banking and debt issues to get one called. I think the North Dakota state legislature is a recent  target for the NWO proponents.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:20 | 2608818 CitizenPete
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Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:08 | 2608908 Wave-Tech
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Agreed however, if we stay on the road toward collapse, it is likely that we end up far worse off than we are now.  Think Soviet Union – tanks aiming at the Capital – the MASSIVE money-grab by the oligarchs – the deeply embedded corruption…  I know, save the tanks, that is pretty much how one may view the current condition.  However, is TOTAL collapse and the mayhem of blood-in-the-streets something to cheer for or wish upon?  If so, I think it wiser to think twice of what such wishes may bring. 

Here are the basic three choices as I see it:

  • Stay enslaved as we are and accept whatever lies ahead
  • Cheer and hope that an investable collapse of magnitude will bring change for the better
  • Galvanize the masses to use the Framework and Law of the Constitution to restore its core principles

I totally agree however, Congress and Special Interests should NOT run the show; the People of the States are calling Congress and the Special Interests to account. As such, States would sponsor a jury-style selection of educated citizens as representative delegates for an Article-V convention.  

http://www.elliottwavetechnology.com/2012/07/genesis-of-intelligent-revolution.html

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:11 | 2608916 seek
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I came here to post this, but you beat me to it and did a better job.

A constitutional convention lacks transparency and offers unlimited power and speed to those who control it. It's the very last thing you want to have if you want to keep the assholes ruining the country out of it. Should a convention be held, you'll find asses representing views like the New York Time's latest hit peice on the 2nd amendment in charge of things, and removing an pretense of individual rights or power that's left.

If one truly wants to change the constitution, there's a transparent and much more accessible way to do so, the same way every change that has been made since the last constitutional convention -- the amendment process. It's not much of a chance, but I sure as hell have a lot better odds with my state legislators than I do with unelected conventioneers.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:29 | 2608956 Wave-Tech
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Agreed!  The only way to get that done is via ARTICLE-V of the Constitution.

Check out the both videos here and the link to the entire conference led by RootStrikers (on the left) and the Tea Party (on the right).

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:54 | 2608618 proLiberty
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A tax on income destroys financial privacy.   It must be repealed.  

A tax on nominal incomes where the taxing authority has the power to define the meaning of "income", when coupled with a fiat-money central bank allows government to embezzel the wealth they do not directly tax.   Goverment is free today to inflate the currency and then tax as "income" the rise in nominal dollars.  

Government must not be allowed to create the money it spends.  Today, the Leviathan State is so dangerous especially because it can print the money it uses to buy votes.  It is self-sustaining.

All citizens must pay taxes, even if we otherwise support them due to their disability or income.  The purpose of taxes is twofold: 1) to pay for government; 2) to make the cost of government tangible to all citizens.

I would support only giving the rigth to vote to people who file and pay federal taxes, but how would such a measure be passed today?   In that respect, it is already too late.

 

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:03 | 2608782 Tunga
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I would support only giving the rigth to vote to people who file and pay federal taxes, but how would such a measure be passed today?   In that respect, it is already too late.  

 proLiberty; in order to vote, you must swear to being a US citizen. Those entities are liable to pay "income" tax; as they are considered government property with all the privileges allowed to Congressional serfs. Understanding this mutes your complaint about who has the "rigth" (sp?) to vote.

 

Income is generated by the exercise of privilege. A corporate entity (see 26 USC 7701 paragraph 30USperson/citizen/individual/corporation) exercising said privilege can be charged an excise on it's labor.

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:58 | 2608633 riley martini
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 What we needs is a national referendum to put limits on the powers of all three branches of government . A new mechanism to deal with corruption by a binding referendum or proxy to enforce the constitutions "equal treatment under the law" a way to enforce the consttution jail or remove those in government that violate the constitution . Corruption is all day everyday in the fascist state of our "Republic".

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:28 | 2608952 Wave-Tech
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Agreed!  The only way to get that done is via ARTICLE-V of the Constitution.

Check out the both videos here and the link to the entire conference led by RootStrikers (on the left) and the Tea Party (on the right).

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:12 | 2608672 Winston Smith 2009
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"It's Time for a New Constitutional Convention"

Sure is, but with a population as dumb as rocks and/or successfully propagandized, it'll never happen.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:16 | 2608679 A Lunatic
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The Constitution is not the problem, it's all of the senseless shit that has been either added to it or subtracted from it......most of which was and still is for the express benefit of a small percentage of corrupt bastards, some of which, have had their fingers in the pie for the last two hundred + years. What is really needed is a Revolution which weeds out several parasitic elements of American society, then we can have a constructive debate about term limits, gold standard, etfuckingcetera.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:25 | 2608937 Wave-Tech
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I agree however, we simply cannot have a revolution in the traditional sense.  The enemy is too close and powerful.  Look how fast they shut down the folly of Occupy. 

What we need is an intelligent revolution ground in the laws of the Constitution. 

If we stay on the road toward collapse, it is likely that we end up far worse off than we are now.  Think Soviet Union – tanks aiming at the Capital – the MASSIVE money-grab by the oligarchs – the deeply embedded corruption…  I know, save the tanks, that is pretty much how one may view the current condition.  However, is TOTAL collapse and the mayhem of blood-in-the-streets something to cheer for or wish upon?  If so, I think it wiser to think twice of what such wishes may bring. 

Here are the basic three choices as I see it:

 

  • Stay enslaved as we are and accept whatever lies ahead
  • Cheer and hope that an investable collapse of magnitude will bring change for the better
  • Galvanize the masses to use the Framework and Law of the Constitution to restore its core principles

Congress and Special Interests should NOT run the show; the People of the States are calling Congress and the Special Interests to account. As such, States should sponsor a jury-style selection of educated citizens as representative delegates for an Article-V convention.

I think a good percentage of ZH posters would make excellent delegates. 

The core of the existing Constitution should remain the same as its always been.  The only amendments would involve spelling out in plain English exactly what the national government CANNOT do, and provide an EQUAL and impartial Rule OF Law (vs. rule BY law) for expedient remedy and consequence for entities that violate such rules.

Article-V of the Constitution provides for amendments without risking a no-holds barred runaway by extremists.

Check out the both videos here and the link to the entire conference led by RootStrikers (on the left) and the Tea Party (on the right).

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:17 | 2608685 Titan28
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The problem in what Charles suggests here is that once his desired constitutional convention gets going, the same folks who are killing us now, those damn parasites, will be handing out the pens. Who does Charles think is going to come up with better ideas? The locusts in DC?

I also happen to believe, as others have said, that the Constitution is a brilliant document, and not simply a good political document. The Constitution is based on a view of human nature that is as valid today as it was in 1789. There really is nothing wrong with the document. It's those parasites, the lawyers, public sector types, politicians, crony capitalists.

And can you imagine Nancy Pelosi at such a gathering?

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:04 | 2608901 Wave-Tech
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I totally agree however, Congress should NOT run the show; the People of the States are calling Congress to account. As such, States would sponsor a jury-style selection of educated citizens as representative delegates for an Article-V convention.  

http://www.elliottwavetechnology.com/2012/07/genesis-of-intelligent-revolution.html

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:21 | 2608691 UrbanBard
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No one seemed to mention that other people have been working on this. Look at Randy Barnett’s "Bill of Federalism. “ The revised version is below.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/20/bill-of-federalism-constitution-states-...

 

If congress does not call for the convention then they can be bypassed by two / thirds of the state legislatures passing the same document.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:23 | 2608699 dangni
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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:35 | 2608723 Yellowhoard
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Repeal the 17th amendment.

That's it.

Return the Senate to the defenders of states rights.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:36 | 2608726 SKY85hawk
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Here I go into the storm.

Charles,

Thanks for speaking up.

Something needs to change, that is doubtless.

Have you considered what you are saying by calling for a Constitutional Convention?

You're saying that the Founder's Constitution no longer exists!

I believe you are correct.  But, some questions  .  .  .

         How would a constitutional convention abrogate the 1938 change to Public Policy?

                      I think Tompkins vs. Erie (railroad?) is the precedent. 

                   There are many other decisions  that have contributed to the current form of gov't.

        Perhaps you could run as Ron Paul's VP?

Obviously, I do not have any foundational ideas, but I do salute you for speaking up.

Personally, I think the only way to affect the wastrels in washington is to use existing rules to protect myself and my family.  Consider converting IRA & 401-k money into a ROTH-IRA.

Invest the money in smooth trending ETFs that bounce off the Bollinger bands.

It's not easy because hindsight is 20/20.

But, I do have trading results and backtesting spreadsheets to show what I'm working on.

If you respond, I will reply

Best Regards,

T.

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:45 | 2608737 Tunga
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Only a retard would give Congress an edit button. 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:03 | 2608896 Wave-Tech
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I totally agree however, Congress should NOT run the show; the People of the States are calling Congress to account. As such, States would sponsor a jury-style selection of educated citizens as representative delegates for an Article-V convention.  

http://www.elliottwavetechnology.com/2012/07/genesis-of-intelligent-revolution.html

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:45 | 2608739 f16hoser
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This country needs an enema (revolution). As a 30+ year veteran/officer, I'm ready. Most cops and active duty (title-10's) will fight to protect their families and friends. The elite know this.

GAME ON!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:51 | 2608753 bobbydelgreco
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here are some truths: aleander hamilton is the real founding father the farther we get from hamilton the worse our situation, the value of democracy is limited, what counts is leadership; now some facts: hamilton's ideas of manufactuing and tarifs are gone, we have no leadership, conclusion we are......  

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:11 | 2608804 A Lunatic
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Alexander Hamilton was a piece of shit, and the father of the central bank, and now resides in Hell where he belongs.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:53 | 2608757 Reptil
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Yes, government everywhere is becoming totally out of control, blatantly DYSFUNCTIONAL.

But, as I'm a person that is desperately clinging to my own country's Constitution (http://www.denederlandsegrondwet.nl/), I'd find changing a Constitution at this moment in time very DANGEROUS.

1. Since Government and Courts are totally dysfunctional, they'll jump to the occasion to eradicate this pesky bump in the road to all out fascism (a la Orwell 1984)

Compare your own situation to the one in a simular "loosely grafted federal union" the EU: They tried that here in Europe, by "introducing" an EU Constitution which was a total POS. Moreover it would replace the existing Constitutions. They failed, the moment of carelessness is gone, the cesspit of EU bureacracy posing for government is more clear now.

2. There's always been corruption as long as there's been some form of government. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
So.. the dutch, french and especially german Constitutions have been carefully set up to provide checks and balances, and provide a framework for government and society to interact and function.
Those ppl. were not "outdated". Only our clothes, tools, means of production and transport changed. NOT the way government functions

3. Civil servants, Militairy swore an oath to the Constitution, and nothing else. Take that away at such a crucial time and you lose the moral upper hand as far as eradicating CORRUPTION.

4. Moreover.. it's time to act, not have endless discussions about new and better Constitutions. Each month there's another Executive Order. https://rt.com/usa/news/obama-president-order-communications-770/print/

Therefore I'd say it's MUCH more needed to eradicate CORRUPTION within the framework of the Constitution both in Europe as in the USA, and MUCH needed to make citizens aware of the fact that their State has been hijacked by the special interest, and that it's time to grab the old pitchfork now. (or become a slave) In turn this is very hard to do, as ppl. are brainwashed by the media nonsense. So the first step is not just critisising media, but actively engage them.

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:29 | 2608794 CitizenPete
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Google: "Beware the ConCon Job"  Dangerous -- can not be controlled.  This could potentially make things much worse.  There is no stopping a runaway ConCon so if you like the Bill of Rights (at least what they say) then beware. 

 

Beware of Article V

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz2RCxHZHDc

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:17 | 2608816 msjimmied
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Too many internet tough guys who shoot first, smash and burn with a knee jerk like reaction, that's the testosterone angle Noah was talking about...listen to what Biderman is saying. The system of having representatives was necessary when the constitution was written. Distance, and the constraints of communications at that time made sending a jackass to DC necessary. It is no longer true. Soon as the jackass arrives on the hill, he's going to be for sale. Doesn't matter what the constitution says. It is the way it is now. We've had the problem even before Citizen's United, it just got a whole lot worse. Everything else we believe in stays in. It's well nigh impossible to make it profitable to buy off the population, it's easy if it's just a couple of guys.

However, it isn't going to happen. Not without a complete collapse of the system. There will be blood on the streets first before the parasites give up power over the enormous wealth and might of this country. Admit it, there has been many times we wondered if there was something they were not telling us, is it an asteroid headed for us we don't know about? A great disturbance in the force? What would account for this unseemly, grasping, voracious appetite to devour everything not nailed down? Why? Because they don't care anymore about maintaining appearances, they know they have it covered, no one is going to jail. Don't blame the greedy fucks, it's the politicians who have sold us out. Is it not obvious already? Throwing all the bums out is not going to make a damn bit of difference, the Borg will absorb whoever new we send up. 

You guys have any better ideas? Throw it out there. Don't shoot the messenger who is telling you the obvious. 

 

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:55 | 2608881 Wave-Tech
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If we stay on the road toward collapse, it is likely that we end up far worse off than we are now.  Think Soviet Union – tanks aiming at the Capital – the MASSIVE money-grab by the oligarchs – the deeply embedded corruption…  I know, save the tanks, that is pretty much how one may view the current condition.  However, is TOTAL collapse and the mayhem of blood-in-the-streets something to cheer for or wish upon?  If so, I think it wiser to think twice of what such wishes may bring. 

Here are the basic three choices as I see them:

  •  Stay enslaved as we are and accept whatever lies ahead
  • Cheer and hope that an invevitable collapse of magnitude will bring change for the better
  • Galvanize and educate the masses to use the Framework and Law of the Constitution to restore its core principles

 http://www.elliottwavetechnology.com/2012/07/genesis-of-intelligent-revolution.html

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:57 | 2608887 Wave-Tech
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Oh, and by the way, I forgot to add that HOPE is NOT a strategy...

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:24 | 2608823 JackT
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Worst idea I've heard of in a while, here's why:

https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=7f9abf0ff0fdba171d1130ddf412aea3

We don't need a new constitution. What we need is to adhere to the existing constitution.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:27 | 2608831 Wave-Tech
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Agreed!  However, what is the citizenries’ recourse if its government is NOT adhering and refuses to do so.  That is why the Framers put ARTICLE-V in founding document.  Applying it when needed IS adhering to the existing Constitution.

http://www.elliottwavetechnology.com/2012/07/genesis-of-intelligent-revolution.html

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:22 | 2608824 Wave-Tech
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Article-V of the Constitution provides for amendments without risking a no holds barred runaway by extremists.

 

Check out the both videos here and the link to the entire conference led by RootStrikers (on the left) and the Tea Party (on the right).

 

It is intense, necessary, and doable.  The only thing to fear is success.

http://www.elliottwavetechnology.com/2012/07/genesis-of-intelligent-revolution.html

 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:38 | 2608845 Wave-Tech
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Sure, there are valid arguments against however, given the how the national government has slowly but surely usurped the essential first principles of the “peoples” constitution as it was written, I suspect we are edging closer toward a necessity for an intelligent vs. violent revolution.

 

And no, Congress should NOT run the show as it is Congress being called by the People of the States and as such, delegates for an Article-V convention would be brought forth ideally by a State-sponsored jury-style selected array of diverse and educated citizens.

 

http://www.elliottwavetechnology.com/2012/07/genesis-of-intelligent-revolution.html

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:28 | 2608948 Carl LaFong
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We don't need a new constitution.  We need to re-adopt the one we have.  Outlaw all lobbying altogether and any other special interest groups that have access to congress.  Provide only minimal staff, no salary, health or retirement benefits to congressmen/women or senators.  Do not allow congress to meet for more than 120 days per year.  Do not allow congress to spend what they don't have.  Outlaw the Fed and go back to issuing our own currency backed by gold and silver as per constitution....etc.  The constitution is the greatest document ever written for a "free" people ... but it's definitely not for the sheeple.   

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:36 | 2608971 Wave-Tech
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Agreed!  The only way to maintain the sanctity and brilliance of the Framers documents is to use what the Framers provided us with, ARTICLE-V of the Constitution.

Check out the both videos here and the link to the entire conference led by RootStrikers (on the left) and the Tea Party (on the right).  Not perfect – nothing ever is, but it is a framework with which to build upon.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:05 | 2609007 Dr. Engali
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Before we start messing with the constitution maybe we ought to start out by learning the declaration of independence. Especially this part here;

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The genius of the founding fathers is they put everything in place we need. All we need to do is exercise the freedoms they And rights they fought for.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:35 | 2609049 Peter K
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Very well said, good Doctor. :)

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:23 | 2609034 gorillaonyourback
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i like biderman,after the revolution he will  be our modern day ben franklin,  i am ready,  good night all and lets fight them together,  we can can do this.  nathanial hale is my inspiration

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:26 | 2609040 Bobportlandor
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CC non starter, every Dick and Mary will want something. With Health Care at 2500 pages, you'll have 1 million page constitution versus 35.

Lots of good points here, but the only way out is return all the power back to each state and push reset.

Having 50 states competing will bring out the best of bread.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:34 | 2609048 Peter K
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We don't need a new constitution. We need to revert back to the old one. It's just like we don't need reform of criminal laws to put Corzine in jail for theft, we just need to apply the current law.

It's just that simple.

 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:40 | 2609055 Goldilocks
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Crony America and The Bill of Rights
Written by Cognitive Dissonance
Artwork by WilliamBanzai7  11/22/2010
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/crony-america-and-bill-rights-artwork-w...

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 02:05 | 2609071 PiratePawpaw
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This just in...............It Seems the Titanic would have sunk just as fast regardless of how the deckchairs were arranged....

American Passengers were delighted to discover that they were sitting one deck above their European counterparts........

Survivors credit their success to "actually getting off their ass and doing something"...........

Film at eleven....or so....

 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 05:10 | 2609168 ThaBigPerm
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Unfortunately, the aforementioned special interests will run the Convention.  Then you'll have their plundering codified by a new Constitution that, Lo! and Behold! they suddenly will insist cannot be ignored.  No "creative interpretation" or "incremental divergence" allowed anymore.  For some odd, self-serving reason...

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 07:20 | 2609294 Tom Green Swedish
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America is a pile of garbage.  A half communist / half welfare state to screw the middle class slaves, make the top 1 percent, banks and governement gods, and let the rest of the people chill out with welfare and in prison.  It disgusts me beyond infinity. 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 08:08 | 2609397 dolly madison
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I'm with Biderman.  Where we are now is a result of representative democracy.  This is what the experiment with representative democracy has come to.   This is what it will always come to eventually. 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 09:12 | 2609577 heavy_metals
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Think we need to stick with our existing constitution, but add an amendment that prohibits any tax dollars collected from citizens from being spent on anything other than services provided to citizens.  This eliminates the funding of special interest groups who often receive tax dollars in grants and then recycle part of it into the next election cycle or buying up of congress.  It eliminates corporate welfare, and would restrict dispersing tax dollars to foreign nations or corporations. 

Both Democrats & Republicans claim they hate money controlling politics, so I think a constitutional amendment would have an excellent chance of passage. 

Over the past few decades, congress (both sides) have all but ignored our existing constitution, so we need to insist that past bills conform to constitution & all future bills, as well. 

Much of the thwarting of our constitution & loss of sovereignty has emanated from global initiatives, which need to be rebuked & repealed.

I think Biderman's idea is a great one.  We need people able to think outside the box.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 10:05 | 2609727 boiltherich
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If the current constitution is flawed to the point of not working why does Mr. B or anyone here think a new one would be any different? Even if it were please tell me for how long before the nastier human impulses of greed and hate work their magic on the new document. He says he wants to change nothing in the bill of rights, yet we all know there are dozens of special interest groups just "praying" for a constitutional convention so they can have a crack at making this nation even more theologically ruthless than it already is.

He says or implies heavily that this is not how we should be governing in an "online" world, he said that representative government does not work because politicians are too easy to buy or worse yet run for office by corporations? He is asking for direct rule of the people which is nothing more than mob rule via the pretext of civilization just because you can text on a Blackberry.

Just look at the comments here at ZH or some of the other grossly polarized platforms of free speech by the people, NO WAY! He wants direct rule by plebiscite cutting out the checks and balances of the SCOTUS because the sheeple are easier to control and manipulate than SCOTUS which has the power of the third branch of government. His form of rule would see a nation in which Jim Crow was still the law, gays are forced back into the closet, and if you think Diebold black box voting machines are easy to rig just wait till you see how easy it is to defraud instant popup elections where voting is done with the emotional intensity of the moment rather than months or years down the road on election days when people have had time to actually think about what they vote on.

What we really need to do is upend the court decision that says corporation are people and that free speech includes "monetary contributions" to politicians, they are both blatant repudiations of our bribery laws which existed for just this reason, they corrupt. This would require an amendment to the constitution which would not require a whole constitutional convention which opens up the document to serious rewrite. Ditto the repeal of the amendment that created the Fed, like prohibition which was both passed and repealed without a convention. Failing this effort the only real answer is armed uprising by the people to water that tree of liberty, and put mortal fear into the hearts of the greedy and unjust. I am not affiliated with any groups advocating this, but I know deep down that the only way to get the attention and respect of the corporate owners and the 1% is with some blood on the ground. A pussy hearted attempt to rewrite the constitution which would push direct democracy via Twitter is not going to fix ANYTHING and will make many things a lot worse.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 19:38 | 2611443 dolly madison
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I didn't hear him say anything about getting rid of SCOTUS.  But with this SCOTUS ruling 100% with the chamber of commerse, I am not sure at all that the sheeple are easier to control than the SCOTUS.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 19:42 | 2611451 dolly madison
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My vision of where we need to go is not getting rid of any branch of government, but adding one more branch, the people, who can then veto crappy laws and recall corrupt politicians.  More than needing the power to make laws, we need the power to get rid of laws.  We do still need SCOTUS to check the constitutionality of laws.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 12:43 | 2610239 Burticus
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No CON-CON!!!

Our parasite class already shreds & wipes with the Constitution, now only tattered remnants covered with elephant & jackass $#!+.  Just look at the disaster they've engiqueered over the last few decades.

There are no statesmen any more, like Washington, Jefferson & Madison.  If our current crop of incompetent criminal public serpents writes a new "Constitution," your only "rights" will be privileges granted by the ruling elite.

The only things we need to do with the current Constitution is to repeal the 16th and 17th amendments, then follow it for a change.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 05:50 | 2612100 frankmccoy24
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You dont need a new constitution when you dont follow the one we have. I like Biderman, but he should stay with what he has a clue about.

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 11:51 | 2613116 bcecil
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It is actually simple to fix all this crap without bloodshed, new constitutions etc.

If 10% of the US population had a plan that changed all the bullshit going on, and a handfull of leaders, and were willing to take to the streets for as long as it took, the whole thing could change quickly.. So just organize 36 million people and the problems are all solved. Step up boys and girls... your all smart people here on ZH...

We need the same thing up here in Canada, but not as usrgent as down there right now.

 

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 14:30 | 2613808 ChacoFunFact
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"Rape Of The Mind"

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