Biderman On Europe And The Rally: "It's All Bullshit"

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The sensible Sausalitan is back and this time he is taking on the "baffle 'em with bullshit" conclusion of last week's "non-game-changer" EU Summit. After some self-congratulatory chatter on his timely call for markets to ebb from April, Charles Biderman (CEO of TrimTabs) chokes back the spittal as he reflects on what came out of the mouths of European leaders last week: "I cannot see anything new from last week's summit" as he summarizes the findings clearly "The ECB possibly will print more money and save some Spanish and Italian banks". We can't help but agree with Charles when he adds: "Where have I heard that before? Printing Money To Save Banks - wow, how original?". Biderman still believes the Fed will engage in more money-printing but the stock market's current rally is temporary and will falter once again until Bernanke pre-announces his next print-fest. "Money-printing is the only solution left for Central Banks and in reality without fundamental changes in the way Europe and the US is run, the best money-printing can do is keep the dieing alive a bit longer"

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Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:27 | 2583962 world_debt_slave
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Tell us something we already don't know.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:30 | 2583987 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Biderman went long the FB IPO.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:38 | 2584029 Conman
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If you watched the video he says he is up 5% on his facebook trades.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:43 | 2584059 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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He is up on FB!  But deflation is coming!  King dollar!  Loud noises!!

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:44 | 2584068 Xibalba
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Am I the only one selling this fake rally? 

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:48 | 2584086 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You are one of a few humans trading.  It's just you and skynet now.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:10 | 2584183 Xibalba
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I guess I'm betting that it will become self aware and go Cylon.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:19 | 2584216 Stock Tips Inve...
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An expansionary monetary policy usually does not work by itself. Governments need to do their part (to reduce the deficit, reduce (or eliminate) the regulations and promote growth). If you think that injecting liquidity into the market are solved huge problems that exist, then we should prepare for the worst.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 19:02 | 2585506 The Monkey
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Prepare for the worst AFTER investors have fully purchased any news out of the EU. Even though nothing has changed with respect to Europe's deepening recession, do not underestimate how much further north prices can move before the market turns down again.

Start dollar cost averaging @ 1400, and expect it to ultimately retrace all the way to 1415 -1420. Save dry powder for the unexpected upward stab.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:33 | 2584006 The Monkey
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Biderman is right, monetary stimulus doesn't do a lot. But, it can temporarily move prices big time. Be very patient.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:47 | 2584081 Hippocratic Oaf
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May we have a constitution left when we visit this site again a year from now.


Happy July 4th all you bloggin' mother fuckers!!!

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 13:28 | 2584458 TBT or not TBT
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We still have a constitution, but it now says Congress can fine an individual for not doing something they want you to force you to do, and call that fine a tax by virtue of the IRS  (the guilty-till-proven innocent branch of the formerly federal government) collecting the fine.   The fine can be big, apparently, and still be a tax and not a punishment.    It can ass-rape the spirit of the commerce clause and the federal structure set up by the founders, and do so in the public square, with full support of law enforcement, the courts, and the looter class.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 15:12 | 2584883 vast-dom
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why would he dabble in fuckbook?

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 19:28 | 2585543 stocktivity
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Biderman stole my line!!!!

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:27 | 2583966 firstdivision
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Why the f is the EUR rallying today?

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:40 | 2584044 bdc63
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there's a rumor that there might be a rumor coming out later today ....

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:43 | 2584058 The Monkey
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Positioning ahead of the ECB.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:45 | 2584070 ebworthen
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Lagarde was on CNBC with Maria "G6" Bartiromo saying that all is fine with Euro and European Banks and that deposits are safe.


Tue, 07/03/2012 - 16:22 | 2585103 natty light
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:Kevin Bacon voice:

"Remain calm! All is well!"

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:27 | 2583967 VonManstein
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fuck Birdman he's proably losing some money on something.

It is all bullshit of course but anything is better than USD or EUR so real assets (including stocks) are inevitably going to go higher

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 16:37 | 2585150 Randall Cabot
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The last time biderman ranted like this back in December the market rallied for four months!!!

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:28 | 2583973 veyron
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How's your FB call biderman?

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:29 | 2583976 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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It's all bullshit!  Buy facebook!  Deflation is coming!  King Dollar!

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:33 | 2584003 tocointhephrase
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Your (so called) King is on the verge of being dethroned and it will be in my lifetime!

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:35 | 2584013 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Please allow me to introduce myself....

Buy silver

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:40 | 2584021 tocointhephrase
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EDIT: Nice to make your aquaintance: If I may add, load up the truck while your at it!

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:42 | 2584056 ebworthen
Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:51 | 2584103 tocointhephrase
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Dont be a mug, BUY SILVER!

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:18 | 2584215 FEDbuster
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Buy a couple years worth of food first.  Food is always in short supply during economic collapses (read your history).  Silver and gold are nice, but what you need first is rice.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:45 | 2584311 francis_sawyer
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buy booze next... (or learn how to grow potatoes & build a fire)...

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:54 | 2584332 FEDbuster
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Learn how to grow potatoes and make your own booze?   Don't forget a good supply of "special seeds" for appetite enhancement (long term storage food can get boring to eat).

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 13:30 | 2584471 TBT or not TBT
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That 5hr energy stuff will carry us all through.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:42 | 2584041 peekcrackers
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Plus 1 Mr Lennon .

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:29 | 2583977 Fidel Sarcastro
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It's bullshit alright, but what do u expect with CENTRAL PLANNING from Comrades Bernanke & Co?

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:30 | 2583983 blueskies123
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A big thanks as always to a voice of truth. Only wish I had heard of Mr. Biderman and his excellent video outlook years ago but of course financial media such as CNBC, Yahoo Finance and MarketWatch routinely ignore his advice.  Happy 4th to all despite all the horrible acts of torture, deceit, broken promises that the US gov continues to engage in.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:43 | 2583991 midgetrannyporn
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He likes the 5 horse in the 5th race. lulz

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:31 | 2583995 Peter Pan
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Everyone talks about central banks printing money, but in actual fact they are printing debt.

There is something awfully sick in a system when banks cannot save themselves despite having at their disposal the use of fractional reserve banking, questionable valuations and low interest money from government.


Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:34 | 2584009 tocointhephrase
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Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:50 | 2584093 Dr. No
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Im not sure I follow.  The CBs do print money.  That is their killer app.  For whatever reason, they choose to buy debt of their friends because their friends have nothing else to sell.  But be clear, they print money. 

BTW, the FED is tightening.  If you dont believe me, just look at the adjusted monetary base published by the FED.  In the end they will print, but the current tightening does not bode well for equities.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:02 | 2584123 Peter Pan
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The money they print enters the system as debt and debt requires interest payments which in effect add to the debt. Hence in reality they are printing debt and not just debt but debt that continues to grow until it consumes all productive efforts and output.

The monetary base is in fact growing but the debt is growing at a faster pace due to interest. Furthermore many of the "assets" bought with this monetary base turn to crap either because they are holidays, granite bench tops or bad investments. The debt however remains.

This is the crossroads we find ourselves at. This debt must largely be written off in order to recognise that there is no longer a corresponding asset or at least an ability to service the debt without stifling economic activity.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:44 | 2584308 Dr. No
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They purchase debt only because that is what their pals are selling.  However, (as Helicopter Ben stated do well), there is nothing preventing them from opening the window and tossing out money to the people on the streets.

With interest on mony at 1.6 for the 10 year, it doesnt take much ROI to make payments.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 16:09 | 2585056 TWSceptic
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The reality is, these banks should not exist today. Like any bad company, they should have been declared bankrupt. Unfortunately some idiot in the white house thought otherwise.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:32 | 2583997 kindape
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"Its all bullshit"....translation =someone who has lost alot of money being wrong on short side...

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:11 | 2584188 gjp
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Maybe so, but it doesn't make it any less bullshit.  Congrats to all 'savvy' longs playing along side the kleptocrat money destroyers.  You're part of a long history of just going with the flow in tyrannical regimes.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:33 | 2584004 Cdad
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All one needs to do to confirm "it's all bullshit" is to watch just how desperate and sloppy buyers are today...especially in individual energy equities.  Just pathetic...the worst of the worst panic buying.

Indeed, it is all bullshit.  And based on volume during this latest miracle rally...everyone seems to understand that it is "bullshit" except all the boy wonders on Wall Street...who still think they are simply trading towards a new bonus pool in a bull market, talking about how "historically cheap" stocks are, and pimping their "channel checks" and their "forward projections."  This...this as we have now confirmed via Bod Diamond that the entire banking system, including the central banks, are a complete fraud.  Good grief.

More banker pink slips, please.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:12 | 2584198 gjp
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More banker fitted nooses please.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:20 | 2584220 centerline
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The big goal seems to be apathy.  Enough continuous information/disinformation, turmoil and emotion... pretty soon everyone is numb and reactions to real events are muted or confused.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:29 | 2584251 Shizzmoney
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Well, here's the thing.  The suckers are still at the table betting away, it's just the sharks with staying power (and intelligence) that are backing out. 

So the only players left in the game are the Big Whales (Pensions, Buffett types) and the Big Sharks (Banks, Goldman types); but in order for any game to survive, you need new blood.  But that's hard as a) the market is obviously rigged to the intelligent person and b) even ifthe intelligent person wanted to get into the market, the majority of us don't have any capital, or don't have access to unlimited credit to capital (unlike the Big Banks who can just Call-n-CRTL-P to the Fed for easy cash).

What happens when the suckers FINALLY go bust (Baby Boomers and pensions, mostly)?  The game dies.   

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:39 | 2584034 BigMike
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I'd love to see all the Biderman haters on this thread record a youtube video 4-5 times a week with their market views -- probably end up worse than Cramer. Bitches

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