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Big GDP Miss: 2.2% Vs Expectations Of 2.5%, Composition Even Uglier

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So much for the +3.0% GDP whisper number. Instead of printing at the expected number of +2.5%, the first preliminary GDP data point (two more revisions pending) came out at 2.2%, a big disappointment for a quarter which had a substantial boost from the weather. And while of the 2.2%, Personal Consumption came in strong - as expected, as it was precisely the factor most impacted by pulling in demand forward courtesy of "April in February", 0.59% of the 2.2% was an increase in inventories, something which was not supposed to happen as it means that the quality of the economic growth in Q1 was far worse than expected. Cementing the ugly composition of Q1 GDP was fixed investment which added just a paltry 0.18% - this is the number which is critical for ongoing cashflow generation and unfortunately, the very low print means that growth outlook for Q2 is now even worse than before and we expect economists will promptly trim their already bearish predictions for Q2 GDP. Finally, government "consumption" subtracted just 0.6% from the total number, a decrease from the 0.84% in Q4, which means that once again the government is starting to become less of a detractor to growth - a dagger in the heart to anyone who claims there is "quality" in GDP growth. And the number you have all been waiting for: At March 31, US Debt/GDP was 100.8%.

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Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:42 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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quick, someone upshift the fraud machine!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Missed it by jiiiiiiiiiiiist that much.

 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment SilverTree
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fukushima reactor 4

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:09 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Apples to apples...

ori

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment King_of_simpletons
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Great news for another 300 point upswing in the stock market. Boy, the economy has been getting better over the last decade will probably overheat before the elections. FED Reserve, DC and the Media deserve congratulations on this marvellous feat !!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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Yes, this is quite bullish.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Whoa Dammit
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Outsource the GDP calcs to China, then they will always be 9%. :-).

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:33 | Link to Comment jus_lite_reading
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I hope you are not being facetious.... one M7+ earthquake near reactor 4 could topple the whole unit and that would indeed be an ELE...

The world is one hair away from global collapse on so many levels... if you don't have guns gold and green beans then you have only yourself to blame...

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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Oh I've got green beans and led all right.

Do you have trader Joe's rack Of NZ lamb chops?

Don't go into the collapse without lamb.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Silver Bully
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Does this mean yer on the lamb?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment jus_lite_reading
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Funny^

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment urbanelf
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No, but I have an awful lot of Trader Joe's canned beans.  I really hope the collapse doesn't happen because I will be farting until civilization gets rebuilt.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:02 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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The US official inflation number is massaged to be a few points lower than the actual number.  So if we correct the GDP growth for actual inflation, we probably had a negative number for growth.  So much for the great growth in the US economy - unless you want to include fraudulent economic data.

This is bullish for QE and real money, i.e, precious metals. Let's see how long it takes gold to get to $1700

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:09 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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it's all inflation

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Comay Mierda
Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment thecoloredsky
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This means the government isn't spending enough.

/sarc

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:07 | Link to Comment bernorange
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Sounds bullish. /deadpan

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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IT'S BULLISH BECAUSE AMERICA ISN'T SPAIN!!

True fact actually! Don't let the Spanish speaking majority fool ya!

 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:24 | Link to Comment DOT
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No hay problema.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Born Patriot
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This is the sad reality of multicultural America. The economy simply cannot function with such a multitude of competing cultures. But for some reason, most of the idiots on this board are incapable of seeing this.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:00 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Would you get the fuck out of here, you fucking racist peice of shit?

Yes, everyone knows its you, RNR.  Everyone knows you hate anyone different from yourself.  Give it the fuck up.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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Have you noticed how the paid trolls largely dropped off the boards when the skank ads started? Now that they are on the decline we seeing reversion to the mean on the troll index. I conclude that the banks have limited funds for the anti-ZH campaign. I wonder if the current market ramp will falter for the same reason.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:42 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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Fred..!

What "skank ads" ?

You turned yourself in.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment DOT
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Get a shot from the Doc; you clicked through one too many McBaggs posts !

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Silver Bully
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Cap'n Ben is givin' it all she's got! The money printer is in overdrive and he doesn't know how long he can keep 'er together!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 15:12 | Link to Comment EINSILVERGUY
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You're te best engineer in the fleet. If you can't get her out of here then I'll have to fire you

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment fuu
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I dunno Truth Team 6 still swoops in with coordinated thread shitting quite often.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Woodyg
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I thought it was Ted Nugent....

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:00 | Link to Comment Waffen
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Lots of things can be blamed with multiculturalism, but to blame bullshit numbers and manipulation of statistics by government on it, is well beyond silly.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment Ivanovich
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Cant....stop...looking at....avatar.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment Kina
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Yep TPTB to distract from their insane corruption and destruction says.....look over there, race against race, thats a nice emotive issue that gets everybody going, lets create more controversy and circuses to keep the peasants distracted. AND of course there are always too many easy takers read to vent their hatred on something.

 

Lowest common denominatior TPTB best friend.

 

 

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 06:52 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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so true.  the bushobama administration made clear for many more what ralph nader could not convince the people of in 2000 (parties essentially the same) despite the lieberman nomination.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment victor82
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Look, Pickett's Charge didn't quite get the job done, okay? In fact, it was complete bollocks. You can't even blame Bernanke and the Fed for it, okay? Hang all of it on Bobby Lee.

However, there must have been Jooos about somewhere in Pennsylvania in 1863, I'll give you that.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 06:52 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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it's not the jews.  it's the zionists.  try to keep up.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment DOT
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No Pluribus => No Unum.

Are you wanting to quit the experiment ? 

 

Oh, just a suggestion, but you should really man up you sniveling, wretched, whiner. This ain't the place for the insecure and ineffectual.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment i love cholas
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I think i'm more shocked at 6 people voting you up. Oh yah, go fuck yourself Born Patriot 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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The fraud machine never sleeps so this is the number they wanted to print. We don't trust the positive prints so why do we think this miss is real? What are the options?

It's worse but they couldn't fudge it higher

They wanted a downer number now when the market is rising on a bounce so later upwards 'revisions' will support the market when it's needed

The other-than-above reason (which is most likely)

There is the possibility that a cigar is just a cigar, but I doubt it.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:21 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Guys: less growth in our abnormally-warm Q1, means MORE GROWTH left over for Q2-4.   BULLISH!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment victor82
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Yes, but its Q2 and Q3 that matter to this White House.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Stax Edwards
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Personal Consumption is the takeaway.  De-leveraging making way for old friend pent-up demand to rear his head.  Bullish!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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While ramping up the fraud machine don't forget to channel stuff and print another trillion and give it to the 1%.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:43 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Tyler...you rock, man.  You are reality.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment ZippyBananaPants
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I am just trying to get a better look at the chicks boobs on CNBC!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment jus_lite_reading
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And this number is with record M1 money supply flowing like the Niagra falls AND it's massaged which means in reality, if you subtract all the phoney pnozi money that has been injected and subtract the hopium quotient the US has a negative GDP of -5.0%+ in my opinion. How do I know? Just looking around at Main Street USA...

QE3 is now certain!!! (Shhhhhh don't tell anyone but GOLD and SILVER are about to skyrocket...)

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Planned destruction of America ON COURSE..............................who do they think they are fooling.

You cannot HOPE to control the people until they are starving, and on the streets.

WTF UP!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:43 | Link to Comment SeverinSlade
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Only question is, was this a big enough miss to spark New QE rumors?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment Dr Benway
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Gold reacted well.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment narapoiddyslexia
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And the leakees pre-reacted well using gold...

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment spastic_colon
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QE or not europe is up which is all that matters for our markets

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:43 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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Uh o, free money junkies are on the move

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:43 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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So Yurip double dips, we double dip. 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:43 | Link to Comment Cassandra Syndrome
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And the GDP deflator is only 1.5%. Inflation is what in real terms? 10% or more? 

Also Private Investment dropping is a tell tale sign of where the economy is going. 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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Core PCE (personal consumption expenditures price index -- Bernanke's favorite measure of inflation) is above 2% (2.1%) -- NO QE3.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment AbelCatalyst
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Cassandra: the deflator issue is a significant story that few talk too much about. Thanks for pointing it out! If they used the real inflation rate we'd be seeing close to negative numbers. So the only "growth" we are seeing is inflated prices, not an actual increase in production. This kind of manipulation is truly pathetic and at some point a total loss of confidence will destroy this financial system... How many times can they lie and the people believe???

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Bullshit.  Commodities have not been "deflating".  Moreover, we have been producing more than ever (I am in agriculture) and while we have enough diesel stored for this year, 2013 will be interesting.

Moreover, deflation rewards savers, and after 30+ years of ass rape, you would think it would be about time to reward the savers and let them drive the next recovery, but that would require a large shift in power away from the banks.  Not going to happen in a country with two flavors of a single party, for the banks, by the banks.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment SoNH80
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"Deflator" is Orwellian/stat speak for "inflation rate".  You apply the INflation rate as a DEflator to GDP.  So, if the inflation rate is 6%, the "GDP deflator" should be around 6%.  If you lowball the deflator, you're lowballing the inflation rate, and pumping up the GDP growth rate artificially.  They've been doing it since LBJ-- when inflation went up around 1966, he'd take a colored pencil and mark down what HE thought the deflator should be, and the bean counters got the message.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment youngman
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All I heard this quarter is "beat estimates"...now what is an estimate..and who made them?.....if you raise prices 5%..your sales will go up....so will your bottom line....but are you gaining sales...market share...new stores...I think we need to dig into the numbers a little more to see if we sold 10 widgets ..or 15....I know companies have cut costs....I don´t think they can do more in that area other than shutting down factories or stores....but at 10% inflation...everyone should "beat estimates" every quarter

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment moskov
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So much for the coming QE3

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:48 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Yeah....because we can service the debt with all the tax dollars that won't be coming in.

 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Theyre not worried about 'servicing' the 100.8% debt/GDP....theyre just looking for some way out of this mess theyve made.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment chinaguy
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No, I think you missed it, it was (exactly) just low enough, to keep the threat of QE on the table, but not so low to prove that further QE would be wasted money.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Beauty is in the eye of the debt holder.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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I smell a massive rally.

This has to be good for green lighting QE3,4, 5, 6.........

Funny Q1 2011 advance GDP was 1.8%.

2012 same as 2011, same as 2010.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment qussl3
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Question is will Banana Ben pull the trigger come June?

We're probably cleared for takeoff till then, but he better deliver.

 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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In the distance you can hear the sound of the helicopter engines winding up.

 

Romeo Foxtrot.......shall we dance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI

 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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I think most of us agree that QE+ is coming...either with the same name or a different look to it.

I just think the timing of it is still on hold - short term - until the U.S Presidential elections,

Queens Jubilee and

London Olympic Games are over.

In the interim, more heavily fudged, manipulated and perverted numbers to come...across the board as much as possible.

And a lot of symbolism on the way im sure...

 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Cursive
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Would love to see quarterly GDP for last 5.25 years expressed in 2006 constant dollars.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:48 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Why do you hate America?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment MFL8240
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Anyone know the nominal growth number?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:56 | Link to Comment Cassandra Syndrome
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I think its about 3.75% before the deflator of 1.5% is applied. Imagine what the real GDP figure would be if the real rate of inflation is applied via the deflator?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Posted this in the last thread... all add it here as well...

I think I'll take it upon myself, whenever there is a tread about GDP, to remind everyone of just how retarded of a measure it actually is.  And before anyone goes all PC on my use of "retarded"... this is actually the correct use of the word. 

GDP says absolutely nothing about our condition as a people or our economy.  Instead, growth in GDP correlates better to the growth of the money supply which correlates to the growth of debt, all of which is emblematic of the Ponzi scheme that is our monetary system.

GDP is a distraction... fodder with which our two false parties will claim success or point out failure, simultaneously.  It's retarded.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:53 | Link to Comment Melin
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I love watching retarded people's heads spin when I correctly use "retarded."

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Imagine everyone forming a circle. A single item is introduced by person #1, who sells it to the man to the left of him, who in turn immediately sells it to the man to his left. This carries on until everyone collapses from lack of sleep.

Now, what's the GDP increment as a result of this ridiculous transaction?

And what would the GDP increment be, if they all broke a window immediately after selling the item?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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BETTER THAN EXPECTED (everything is)! DJIA +400 pts.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment ZippyBananaPants
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pretty colors

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:47 | Link to Comment Spartan
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Risk On! Ben will print.....

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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And G and S are doing great, thank you very much!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:47 | Link to Comment PR Guy
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So, that sucks then.

But if it sparks QE3 rumours then it's turtles all the way up.

Do you think QE will end up like movies with loads of sequels or those 'Now That's What I Call Music nnn'.

In 2015 we'll be on QE 97

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:49 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Definitely takes more and more now, same as a junkie at the stage they need to shoot up not to get high, but to just not be sick.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:47 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yea they can print more money or whatever and piss off the general public because theyre not dumb enough to not get that the money definitely doesnt end up going to them, and get $5 gas by late summer....go for it FED boys I dont really care I'm sitting on cashs and PM's. Do your worst, it will help me, hurt you.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:47 | Link to Comment hankwil74
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2.2% growth for 1.3 trillion in annual debt.... a bargain at twice the price!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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yeah you would think all citizens would have got at least a t-shirt for all the money spent for shit numbers that are cooked anyway.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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that would escelate cotton prices even more

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Well, CLEARLY (according to Keynesians), the "solution" is MORE PUBLIC SECTOR SPENDING!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:07 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Why not? It is working so well in Japan.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment youngman
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They just called for that exact same thing on CNBC..Cramer said Krugman is right....and Merkel is out....wow..so when the socialist really take control....Weinmar here we come...now how the EURO and the Dollar have stayed so close to each other amazes me...its got to be in some under the table agreement...

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The Euro/USd stays close because both teams are taking their turn printing. And Cramer is a stupid fuck.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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But of course it is. 220% public debt/GDP rising at 20% p.a. is totally sustainable, and the fact that only a 2% rise in yield would make interest payments outstrip tax receipts is also not an issue.

I mean anyone who even believes that is just a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Pffffttt  don't muddy up the picture with facts. $2.52 worth of debt is clearly worth $1.00 of new GDP. Somebody is making good money. Besides who needs taxes when we can just print what we need.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment victor82
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As a matter of fact, I have a hundred billion dollar high speed rail project I'd like to sell you in California.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment gaoptimize
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This is the most important point.  I would love to have a flows model that would show how the $1.3T gets diluted through a sick economy with only a fraction of the wealth destroying consumption ending up in corporate cash hoards.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:10 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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The capital mis-allocation and mal-investment continues, same as it ever was.  call it what it is already.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:48 | Link to Comment youngman
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It will be a rally.....this is the new normal.....8% unemploymnet..46 million on food stamps...2-2.5% GDP....the economic bar is much lower with a Democratic President...much lower

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment max2205
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What!  Obamaerama has the best market performance of any post war president....STFU and be grateful!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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They'll soon flip the script though to get the Romney in there to take all the blame soon though. OK then in the meantime gold and oil, resume your rising.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment victor82
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If you only knew how many "conservatives" have flipped and are now supporters of this store mannequin, even though he is a Bushie Clone.

Makes one sick. I'm probably going to write in Palin or Ron Paul.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Let The Wurlitz...
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I cant wait to see what the personal consumption exp will be next month.

 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:49 | Link to Comment max2205
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Market Makers will be clearing their inventory at higher prices for a while

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Selling to who though? Retail never did show up. Theyre just sloshing it around...someones going to panic and bolt for the door watch and see.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:53 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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or maybe people are more scared of cash than they are of stocks.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:00 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Well at least people do know cash is worth SOMETHING, even if its really just a Monopoly game. You can take $20 to the store and buy food....sure not much food, but some. But 'stocks'? Here today *poof* its gone tomorrow for most people. 401K's are sucking ass so besides the 'CNBC stock supermodel lineup' most of the rest are dumpy Walmart women.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:49 | Link to Comment HyperLazy
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Global market dip is over. Hope everyone loaded up on 3rd world exploitive corporate slave driving stocks!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment victor82
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I see you've bought AAPL!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Gold likes the GDP number.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment PR Guy
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For a minute there I thought you said 'God likes the GDP number'.

Sounds like the kind of thing Sarah Palin would say (am I allowed to say her name on ZH?).

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:53 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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If it takes you a whole minute to figure out that "gold" is not "god" then you may be related to Sarah Palin.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment gaoptimize
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Junked you both for being main stream media brainwashed critic of a genuinely kind and thoughtful woman.  Why don't you look at your lives and compare them honestly with hers. I could easilly create a "top ten reasons Sarah Palin is a goddess".  There was a better time in America when she was not that unusual, and in today's f'd up world, she was thrust into an unusual situation.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:15 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Wow I guess I'll never call Sarah Palin a dumb fucking religious fanatic bulshitter again because of you.  The mainstream media didn't tell me that Sarah Palin can't read I figured that out on my own.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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If she were genuinely thoughtful, she wouldn't have accepted a spot on the ticket.  If she's genuinely narcissistic, she would.  There is nothing genuine about her, at least publicly.  She may have a real relationship with her husband, with her kids, etc. 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment PR Guy
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I'm not sure which is the scarier thought 1) someone thinks I might be related to Palin or 2) you think she's a goddess. Get a grip of yourself man. We can help pull you through this..

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment victor82
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Yeah, junked your ass as well. Palin had a great record as Governor. Didn't leave her state with toxic debt. Not to mention S&P uprated AK's bond rating to AAa precisely because of the policies she instituted as Governor.

Don't be a prat and believe what you read in HuffPo.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment bshirley1968
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Gold likes the fact that the euro is getting pumped and the dollar is getting dumped.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment youngman
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Every time we get a number like this or a piece of fact....more and more people/ countries  bail on the paper "markets"and go to the real money....GOLD...its a lack of confidence.....and a fear of the future

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Real people are piling into safety....they can ramp stocks all they want theyre just playing with themselves. They held a bubble rally, and no one showed up....good luck with that secret central banksters.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment bshirley1968
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BFD!  The market will be another 150 today.  Spain and Italy are falling apart, blah, blah, blah.......Someone needs to tell them that.  Both of their markets are up 2% today.  Maybe if we get another downgrade we can hit a new high on the DJI.

This is the biggest manipulated, bullshit I have ever seen in my life.  It will get worse because once they become shameless, they will be no different than a crack whore who would give blow jobs on the sidewalk if that is what it took to get more crack.

Euro up right now because they will be the next to print.  When they print, they will go down and dollar will go up because by then it will be our turn to print.  Then the dollar can go down again and the euro up.  That way they can print a couple of more trillion and yet on the Forex exchange it will still be dollar .76-.82 while the euro stays in the 1.28 to 1.34 range.  You and I will know that a dollar buys a helluva lot less this year than it did last, but on the exchange, by God, all will be fine.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Yep, and the GBP is strong right now, as they said "no more printing".

Of course, it sucks just a little bit for me, as I sit with a large amount of Dollars in my Dollar-denominated business account, but hey, I'm sure they'll start the printing presses back up again soon.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment VonManstein
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dollar not to happy about this

 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Personal consumption boosted by blatant miss by Punxatawney Phil and hair-of-the-dog savings drainage.  Second-revised number prolly prints at 1.8% in July, which really means -0.4%.  Q2 much, much worse.

Can we get a word cloud on the MSM coverage of this?  ...just wanna see how often the word "recovery" shows up, and what adjectives are wrapped around it.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment chinaguy
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When Q2 GDP numbers suck they will blame it on warm weather in Q1 - LOL

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment ekm
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As if it matters. It's been few quarters already any news, any any news or data DOES NOT matter.

All market is concentrated in few Primary Dealers' hands using Fed funds. Nothing matters until they buy up all market, same as in 2007-2008.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:56 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yep...no point at all to the pump, without the dump. Problem is this time retail did not participate, so they have to dump on themselves. 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:14 | Link to Comment ekm
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That's exactly what happened from 2007 till 2008 dump.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:21 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Except in 2008, retail was all-in the markets....today, not so much.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment ekm
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Yes up to point. After retail was maxed out they still kept buying since retail couldn't absorb all the dump available. That's why Bear Stearns and Lehman fell. All the suckers were maxed out.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment Silverhog
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PPT will force a half ass rally anyway just to piss us all off.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Hey, I'll take their money.  same as it ever was.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:00 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Of course.  First 3 words of CNBC headline are "US Economy Grows"...algos don't need anything else.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:56 | Link to Comment cooperbry
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Ever notice that GDP increase figures seem to match inflation numbers?  Leads me to believe that our economy is actually contracting because we know that inflation is understated.

So I always seem to conclude that GDP increases is ALL inflation and that our real economy is shrinking. :(

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Will be spun as a "positive GDP" number.  Same as it ever was.  Trade the dollar Euro pair (which has been range bound for quite some time).

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment dryam
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On growth.....

Sustainability 101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ghHia-M54

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment Hubbs
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So if market declines at outset on this news then insiders reacting to underlying issues of moribund economy.

 

If market rises, then we  can infer that it is due to increased expectations of QE3.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:02 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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And we can definitely conclude if QE were actually ever delivered, then we can see stocks rise, which no one is impressed with and more likely just making people more mad, and oil and gas and inflation rise. Well, good luck to them, they'll need it.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment TradingJoe
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You folks call this "news"?! :))) Hehehehe

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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QE3 trade is on.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Cool, make stocks go higher, that should really piss off most of americans who are now broke, Barrys already dismal 40% approval will be 30 by late summer with $5 gas by fall, that should be fun to watch.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:31 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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The average American doesn't care.  That's why this country is such a clusterfuck of corruption and inequality.  The government puts policies in place to supress the masses, shred the bill of rights, ignore the constitution; yet the only thing on American's minds is if the gay hispanic shot the black kid unjustly.  People don't seem to care about issues that directly effect them, only want to focus on what effects that are disjointed from their lives.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Village Smithy
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Wait for 9:30.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:01 | Link to Comment bshirley1968
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I can't believe all the goobers on this board still talking that QE crap.  Never going to happen boys.  That's because it is happening right now and will continue until the collapse.  QE is NEVER going to be announced again.  There will be creative terms for it like "twist", "LTRO", (the japs got real creative last night in what they called it), etc., but QE like int he past is a pipe dream.

The last two QE's were like emergency blood infusions.  Since then, the market has been hooked up on a permanent Bernanke IV.  They are not going to let the flow get that critical EVER again.  The economy will just become more and more immune to the effects but the IV will never be unplugged.  So enough already with the; their going to print, they gotta print, they will print, this will make them print, etc.  Time to step into the next level.  The printing is going on, and we now wait for the fall out which will come.  It will just take longer than most of us thought.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:07 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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assuming most people on here own pm's...do you think they give a shit if is announced or not?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 11:11 | Link to Comment blueskies123
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How much longer will it take for the markets to finally stop being pumped up on permanenet IV support?  Markets go up on bad news and go down on good news.

 Grece defaults, over 19 European countries soveriegn debt are downgraded, dozens of banks are also downgraded and the f'riggin markets keep going up in Q1, jan/feb/mar as if we're in the middle of some incredible economic recovery. What a crock of shiite.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 11:11 | Link to Comment blueskies123
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How much longer will it take for the markets to finally stop being pumped up on permanenet IV support?  Markets go up on bad news and go down on good news.

 Grece defaults, over 19 European countries soveriegn debt are downgraded, dozens of banks are also downgraded and the f'riggin markets keep going up in Q1, jan/feb/mar as if we're in the middle of some incredible economic recovery. What a crock of shiite.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:02 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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March 2009....Bernanke saw "green shoots"

June 2010......Geithner welcomed us to the recovery

December 2010......Goldman saw 4% US gdp growth in 2011.

April 2012......Rumor was 3% GDP growth.

On the back of growing the deficit by almost $6T, and DM CB's growing their balance sheets by almost $7T, the best the US can come up with is 2.2% growth.

Call me crazy, as i am no Ph.D economist, but is might be time for Plan B and Plan A seems to have hit a wall.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Plan B: See Plan A (print)

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:32 | Link to Comment youngman
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You are assuming the people in charge LEARN from their mistakes.....they do not...they have inner feelings that what they are doing is working...it is the RIGHT thing to do....so they will nver change..never learn from their failures...it comes from book learning..not knowledge learned from the street....

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:02 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Rally on bitchez!!! Inflate this new bubble to its maximum potential.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yea, really get in there and really rub the shit deep in the avg americans faces who are broke. And also give them $5 QE gas by mid summer too...the riots should be going great by then.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment CreativeDestructor
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This is gonna be a mother of all face ripper rallies!!!!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment SmoothCoolSmoke
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Wow.  Market drop on real bad GDP lasted...... 24 mins!  Buck Fernankie....... to the rescue!!!!!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment HyperLazy
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In the ZH chat I predicted a 0.3% dip with a 23 minute duration... LOL

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment Village Smithy
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The Republicans right now have probably the best insider trading advantage in history, but their stuck. If they blow the whistle on QE they risk crashing their own, and their corporate masters' equity funds. The upside though is an election win. If we ever find out that Republicans are dumping equities we'll know the party is over.

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