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BIG PIS: The CEO Of Europe's Most Troubled Bank, Dexia, Quits As Contagion Tsunami Sweeps Over Belgium

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Just when we thought the world was running out of headlines, here come something that will send futures scurrying for even more safety. According to Belgian Nieuwsblad, the CEO of Belgium's biggest bank has just resigned. As a reminder, Dexia is the one European bank that in the 2008-2009 period borrowed more money from the Fed than anyone else, and which we have discussed on several occasions in the past few months as being rumored to be on the receiving end of a variety of liquidity "complications" and countreparty concerns. Typically rumors of that nature, coupled with the sudden departure of the CEO, end up being proven as fact shortly to quite shortly. In other news, we are happy to announce the expansion of the PIIGS to BIG PIS following the arrival of the latest country to join the sovereign and bank funding crisis.

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Stefaan Decraene, the chief executive of Dexia Bank Belgium, leave the company. That tells the time and is confirmed by Dexia. He is succeeded by Jos Clijsters.

 

Dexia's departure Decraene tonight confirmed in a press release. The bank also announced that it Jos Clijsters by the board of directors was appointed new CEO of Dexia Bank Belgium. "The experience of Jos Clijsters in the financial sector and his knowledge of Dexia guarantee the continuity and development of the bank to serve its customers," it sounds.

 

The new vice chairman of the executive Marc Lauwers, the board member responsible for the Belgian retail bank.

 

According to Time, there are "strong indications" that Decraene (46) will switch to the French financial giant BNP Paribas, the parent of Dexia's rival Fortis. Confirmation has not yet.

 

Not the first

 

The departure comes at a time when Dexia's very difficult, and the financial markets to deal with a growing crisis of confidence in investors and creditors. The departure of Decraene may be the result of tensions between the Belgian and French arm within the group. It's no secret that it was difficult to find Decraene the Frenchman Pierre Mariani, Dexia's CEO of the entire group.

Earlier this year already got several other executives of Dexia, including Xavier de Walque, financial director of Dexia Bank Belgium, and Wim Vermeir, an asset to the ancien Dexia Asset Management.

h/t Sudden Debt

 


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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:48 | Link to Comment speconomist
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GIPSY B- ???

 

Greece

Ireland

Portugal

Spain

ItalY

Belgium-

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:50 | Link to Comment WoodMizer
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BIGPIGS, if you count Greece twice.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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What a Big Pig might sound like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBCcnazy88U

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 20:43 | Link to Comment eisley79
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count scotish banks, and you got yourself a BIG PISS

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 20:45 | Link to Comment eisley79
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Europe is going to R. kelly the world's financial system right on cue to justify QE3, then we are only one more dead cat bounce from QE4 which will have no effect, and the Great Depression 2 can finally get rolling.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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You got that right.  I'm getting a very very bad feeling that the when individuals in charge of large banks or institutions just up and leave like that, it usually means he's getting out while he can.  The rats are leaving the ship and it's suddenly starting to look as if all of them are going out the door at the same time.  Belgium has had issues for a few years now, what has happened is that the media has been focused on Greece then Ireland then Greece (remember Spain said there was nothing wrong and Italy was saying there was nothing wrong) then Spain and Italy.  Now Belgium is coming out and as someone else said Scotlands banks are in just as bad of a shape. 

 

So your correct, it should be called BIG PISS.  And that is what they all will do to each other and the EU

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 06:46 | Link to Comment jaffa
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Thu, 03/29/2012 - 02:31 | Link to Comment jaffa
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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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no need for counting twice. germany is the other G

but the sheeple hardly notice.

they are more interested in the latest reality crap show: which "illegal" immigrant gets worthless fiat paper as he gets deported.

WEG VAN NEDERLAND:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF3xE8sqJbo

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,783830,00.html

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Perotinus
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It would be nice to know what precisely the Netherlands have to do with Belgium (besides the fact that the Belgian kicked them out of their territory in 1830)?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:41 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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What he's not saying is that it's actually far worse than 2008 (he is insinuating it, though):

European banks face collapse under debts, warns Deutsche Bank chief Josef ...
Telegraph.co.uk - Louise Armitstead - ‎3 hours ago‎ Josef Ackermann, the chief executive of Deutsche Bank, Germany's biggest bank, has warned that "numerous" European lenders would collapse if they were forced to book their losses on stricken sovereign bonds. By Louise Armitstead Mr Ackermann said that ...

Ackermann unplugged
FT Alphaville (blog) - Neil Hume - ‎11 hours ago‎ RTRS – SOME BANKS WOULD NOT SURVIVE HAVING TO REVALUE ALL SOVEREIGN DEBT AT MARKET LEVELS – SPEECH TEXT. A statement of the obvious you might think. But what makes the above interesting is the source: outgoing Deutsche Bank chief executive, ...
Europe crisis could destroy banks
Stuff.co.nz - ‎55 minutes ago‎
Europe's sovereign debt crisis will stunt bank profit for years and could kill off the weakest, Deutsche Bank Chief Executive Josef Ackermann told industry bosses, amid intense scrutiny of the sector's finances. "Prospects for the financial sector ...
JOSEF ACKERMANN TO STEP DOWN AS IIF CEO IN 2012
Agenzia Giornalistica Italia - ‎10 hours ago‎ (AGI) Frankfurt- Josef Ackermann, Deutsche Bank CEO, has announced he will step down as chairman of the IIF in 2012. He stated, "In the new year I will leave my post" at the Institute of International Finance; in 2012 he will step down as CEO of ...
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:13 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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Pitkinville, Montana -- the little town with big heart and BIGPIGS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-u9wMLGmk4

cue to 2:22

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 18:39 | Link to Comment JethroBodien
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Rally time!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:54 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Rather than BIG PIS how about BIG SIP? That's what they get when they belly up to bar at Jean Claude & Bennie's.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:55 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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That's good!

BIG SIP.  A keeper.

Now how do we add the "A" for America?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Topher
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BIG SIPA  

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:07 | Link to Comment cossack55
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"Please, have A BIG SIP."

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Stumpy
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Using an anagram generator? 

http://wordsmith.org/anagram/

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Stumpy
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I love "Bi Pigs"

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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What are that? PIGS that swing both ways?

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:22 | Link to Comment walküre
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You should be on the move.. to Germany that is.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:32 | Link to Comment ParaZite
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Bi Pigs = everybody's getting raped!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 21:23 | Link to Comment robobbob
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never fear bearing, so long as America has at least one aircraft carrier battle group still floating, we will never join the sovereign soup kitchen crowd.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 21:33 | Link to Comment sgorem
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one carrier and 100 admirals at the helm matey.......

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:58 | Link to Comment Roger Knights
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BIG SIP?

PIG SIB? (sibling) (pig brother)

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 21:36 | Link to Comment sgorem
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we might as well add Luxembourg(they'll bite the dust as well sooner or later) AND call them the BIG SLIP....no? yeah? maybe?........

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Mec-sick-o
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GYPSY BINGS

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:01 | Link to Comment Cash-NonCash
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GYPSY anything is appropriate but the best anagram for this is "Aw snap, aw snap. Come to my macaroni party and take a nap".

Clear?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:16 | Link to Comment walküre
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PAGING SUDDEN DEBT

PAGING SUDDEN DEBT

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Anonymouse
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Given that the problem comes from banks, I suggest we hearken back to Basel and go with

BIS PIG.

At least until France and Netherlands join in.  Then DoctorMad's suggestion has to be the winner.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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FIBBERS !

France

Italy

Belgium

Belarus

European Union

Republic of Ireland

Spain

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:14 | Link to Comment HistorySquared
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No chance Ben realizes these losses.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:47 | Link to Comment Mongo
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Herman von Rumpoys home turf... EU spreading their fescies around...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Dismal Scientist
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Where's Sudden Debt when you need your resident Belgian ?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:54 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Bet he comes by soon!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:02 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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That's one Belgian that doesn't waffle.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I'm always here :)

If I have any adiction, it's ZH, and silver collecting :)

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:16 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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Sure, you can stop reading ZH compulsively anytime you feel like it, BUT can you sit still for just one minute?  That's what I thought.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 23:35 | Link to Comment Rome is burining
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SD
Good man! Not many other places worthy to spend your time and money on ! Close to the best show in town for a buck!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:21 | Link to Comment walküre
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Still in shock.

Once he recovers, he may be booking a ticket, packing his stuff and rushing to an airport or train station?

Don't count on him just yet. He'll come back posting from Germany.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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If I ever leave my country, it will be to somewhere HOT!

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Don't think they'll like your kind in Texas....

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:51 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I actually have some friends in Texas :) I love the food. To bad your flag kind of looks like it fell on it's back....

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Kuri
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I'm half belgian, half Italian. My wife is japanese. Hard to find a place to escape... But wait... i've have some relatives in Canada !!! Canada... is a great place to start a new life , no ???

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Yep... but you might want to check the weather first.....it is not to everyones liking.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:32 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Here in Belgium it rains 367 days a year. Just imagine how that's possible....

 and if it doesn't rain we blame global warming.

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:49 | Link to Comment Ag1761
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SD if you don't like the rain then don't come to Scotland, the rain here makes Belgium look like a desert

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:34 | Link to Comment lance_manion
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Maybe not, but it keeps out the riff-raff. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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As do I.... but Austin is not exactly typical of Texas. Once had pan-fried oysters with Habanero peppers in Tex-Mex Nouveau Cusine kind of bistro there... One of best meals I have ever had in the US

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:39 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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"... but Austin is not exactly typical of Texas."

Don't cha' know.

- Ned

{271.8 square miles separated from reality in all directions}

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:44 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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FWIW, spent some time in College Station and the DFW area.... Can't say it was to my liking, but to each his own.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Hot Apple Pie
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It's a little blue island in a sea of red.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:21 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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We don't want Sudden. Let's face it: He is funny. We don't want funny people here. Too dangerous. With his help we might find the secret to the funniest joke in the world and that would change everything.

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Duuude
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RuhRoh...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:49 | Link to Comment IAmNotMark
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I agree Duuude...this does seem like a RuhRoh moment.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:53 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Yet another SJGR moment!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Instant Wealth
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I guess he just wants to spend more time with his family.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:52 | Link to Comment brew
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extending his month long august vacation a bit...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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So they borrowed from the Fed and not the ECB......Don't forget all the Fed primary dealers in EUROPE. Oh, and one of those high levered Canadian banks is a Fed primary dealer too.

Looks like a dollar problem to me, not a Euro problem.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Loose Caboose
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@ spitzer - You mean the Canadian bank with the name of a popular brand of margarine in their name? 

Disobey.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Stumpy
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Got it. I prefer Becel, thanks.

http://www.imperialmargarine.ca/

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:13 | Link to Comment mr. mirbach
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never heard of Blue Bonnet Bank

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:08 | Link to Comment phraseshifter
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you mean "Blue-Butter" Bank...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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haha no. Royal is the primary dealer I believe.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:20 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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PARKAY!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:34 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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TDAmeri-cow?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Herman Strandsc...
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I can't believe it's not better

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:32 | Link to Comment DaBernank
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Glad to know you're buying lots of Euros Spitsy. Why is it that Spitzer is so clueless about the true (not 'ideal') structure of the ECB? Only 550 tons gold, massive debt on the balance sheet already and only dealt with 2% of the Euro zone so far, pulled every which way politically by the MEPs. Must have been that one FOFOA blog post he read.

It's a Euro problem, dip shit.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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Then why did the Fed bail out Dexia you idiot ?

It is unreal that none of the gold bugs or even any of the prominant Austrians can see the huge diffrence between the ECB system and the Fed system.

I am not going to bother giving you an education on it here, I am too busy.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:40 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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Have Printer, Will Travel.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:50 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Dexia's Midnight Runners

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc-P8oDuS0Q

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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This is a good movie for ZH readers and fiits this headline. 

The International, trailer-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILj3HlaoOCg

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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aww I was hoping to see the trailer for the new baseball film with Brad Pitt (sarc).

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Quintus
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EUR/USD seems untroubled by this news, which seems a little odd if there really is something big about to break in the Euro banking system.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Sequitur
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No one was troubled by Madoff either. Until they were, when the Ponzi imploded within 48 hours.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:57 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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How about "Mr. Big"? What was that guy's name in Live and Let Die? "Whisper":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqdX4Yv-E38&feature=player_detailpage
THERE GOES BELGIUM!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Dick Darlington
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How big the Belgium's equity stake in Dexia is again after the first round of bail out bonanza? Good luck with that...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:06 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Of course Europe is screwed....their numbers are all wrong.  That's what happens when your banks accountants have

D(ysl)exia

 

Which at this point due to mark-to-unicorn is rampant throughout the world.

 

...and if Switzerland, Syria, Hungary, Iran, and Turkey join...we'll have BIG PISS and SHIT

 

Go long Depends...no the adult diaper.

 

Glass-Steagall

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:04 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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California Oregon Chicago Kansas

See what I did there? 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:14 | Link to Comment cossack55
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You forgot to finish it....:

Louisianna, East (st. louis), Sanfran, Seattle.

this is too hard for Barbie.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Religion Explained
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Yeah, and Obama leads in the polls in Cali. So many f morons. Earth needs a huge f war with lots of neutron bombs.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:23 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Right up your Atlanta Shreveport Savannah

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:27 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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From my Atlanta Shreveport Savannah directly to your Minnesosta Oakland Utah Tennessee Houston

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:56 | Link to Comment snowball777
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In your Denver Richmond Erie Antietam Missouri Sacramento

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Fed_Printstone
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How fitting... Belguim just upgraded from little whizzer to BIG PIS. Now they just need to upgrade the Manneken Pis statue.

 

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Manneken_Pis

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:14 | Link to Comment fiddy pence haf...
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That fits with Chicago's hockey team. if read quickly, well.. try it, and yell it in public.

 

Black Hawks

 

That joke doesn't go over well in hockey circles, however.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Shirley Wilfahrt
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Speaking of dead bloated PIGMAN banks....

 

I've had a BOA for over a decade....used their billpay when it first came out....left a long time ago but never closed completely. Still used the debit card to drain over the past few years.

They tried to charge me a $12 monthly fee about a year ago....I bitched and they stopped.

I just got a statement.

My current balance is $666.84.

Seems appropriate so I'll leave it there.

Cheers Bitchez.

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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BankofA are scum!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Bob Paulson
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*is, not are.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:44 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Han is not a native U.S. speaker of da English. - Ned

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:57 | Link to Comment snowball777
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*was, not is.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Sequitur
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Deutsche says Europe crisis could kill weak banks

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Europe's sovereign debt crisis will stunt bank profit for years and could kill off the weakest, Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE) Chief Executive Josef Ackermann told industry bosses, amid intense scrutiny of the sector's finances.

"Prospects for the financial sector overall ... are rather limited," the CEO of Germany's top bank said on Monday. "The outlook for the future growth of revenues is limited by both the current situation and structurally."

Ackermann was speaking at Frankfurt's annual Banks in Transition conference against a backdrop of gloom in the capital markets, where fears some euro zone countries could default on their debts have sent investors scurrying for shelter.

Many European banks could go under if they had to accept a "haircut" at current market valuations on their entire sovereign debt holdings instead of the 21 percent writedown that has been proposed on Greek sovereign debt, Ackermann warned.

"It's stating the obvious that many European banks would not survive having to revalue sovereign debt held on the banking book at market levels," he said.

Fears about how the crisis will play out have struck the inter-bank lending market and made it difficult for banks to raise even long-term financing, said Ulrich Schroeder, head of German government-backed KFW KFW.UL.

"The situation for banks is more dramatic than it was in 2008," he said in a panel discussion at the conference. "In 2008, governments were still able to support their banks. Now this is simply no longer possible," Schroeder said, adding that he knows of no bank that is able to issue a seven- or eight-year bond in the current environment.

Bank shares tumbled further on Monday with the STOXX Europe 600 banking index .SX7P closing down 6 percent to its lowest level in 29 months, after tumbling by a third in value since the beginning of the year.

"The chances of a near-term recovery remain slim as eurozone debt concerns, structural reform and a lawsuit for allegedly mis-selling mortgage debt all weigh heavy on the sector," Manoj Ladwa, a senior trader at ETX Capital, said.

The chief executives of Commerzbank (CBKG.DE), Societe Generale and UniCredit (CRDI.MI) are also due to set out their visions for the way forward in difficult terrain. The CEO of JP Morgan's (JPM.N) investment bank, Jes Staley, will give the view from the other side of the Atlantic.

They are all due to speak at the conference on Tuesday.

 

http://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCATRE78426Y20110905?sp=true

 

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:31 | Link to Comment ded_moroz
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Commerzbank is already trading 20% below its 2009 lows - and it is the most quiet amongst the troubled banks mentioned here. They definitly need to do something, to say something. What will they say? Probably beg for more help from EU/IMF/God/Martians. My bet: they have to scare the govts, so the conference is not going to be nice.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:46 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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What he meant to say is "all banks could go under."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E794rTPa4nA&feature=player_detailpage
looks like a street fight to me.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:17 | Link to Comment rambler6421
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Gold gonna go thru the roof!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:19 | Link to Comment Apeman
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Good, I hope it gets worse.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Shirley Wilfahrt
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I don't want to kill my China Pig....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5rGXgzvs44

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:21 | Link to Comment snowball777
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PSI GIB

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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DEXIA is in a serious sack of shit. DEXIA just broke it's limit where pension funds and institutions like the cities are allowed to dump the stock.

Prepare for a serious crackdown on the stock this month. It'll take at least a month because there simply aren't enough buyers to take on all those stocks and every single one needs to sell the stock to maintain their minimum required step in level.

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:35 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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In a traditional trading world with real buyers and sellers.  A lower bid would result in the stock price coming down.  In the world of the snatch and grab and dump algo, does it really matter?  Are we looking at a bidless rally this week?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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I use to deal with RBC DEXIA here in Canada (Royal Bank of Canuckistan), gives me an idea to look into their exposure to this Belgian crap.  I can say this because I'm certain we're not too far behind despite the fact that Canadians think their banks are superior to everybody else.

edit: according to Wiki its jointly owned with 2.4 trillion of custodial assets.  If anybody has any insights they'd like to share...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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Could you elaborate on the share structure or do you have a good link?

Thanks

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Lord Wellington I think you're asking Sudden Debt for more intel, but if you're asking me Im scrambling to find out more.  Like many Canadians I may have some assets with RBC and my family too.  All I know is that RBC Dexia was custodian for a lot of funds...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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From wiki ...

2006: Royal Bank of Canada created Institutional Investment Joint Venture with Dexia. It is a 50/50 Partnership called RBC Dexia Investor Services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexia

 

http://www.dexia-investments.ie/

 

http://www.rbcdexia.com/aboutus/locations/p_CountryDetail.aspx?countryID=7

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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https://www.dexia.be/info/NL/Media/050411_dex_RA_n_DEF_tcm_11-19273.pdf

This is the annual report, it will be inside.

I know I have it somewhere because I looked it up about a year ago but can't find it immediatly.

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:15 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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Thanks

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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It's all Dutch to me.

:))

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Looks like I have some reading tonight, thanks folks.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:28 | Link to Comment walküre
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The successor is Jos Clijsters.

HAHA. Cool name for a bank exec. In German Clijster(s) sounds like Kleister which is glue for wall paper.

This is funny stuff.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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The tennis playing Kim is not amused!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:52 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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I don't know. "Glue" sounds like a good nick-name for a tennis pro. Then again maybe it translates into "cloisters"...as in "a monastic establishment." she probably wouldn't like that though.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Dick Darlington
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This guy is still living the dream. Could someone please wake him up.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:27 | Link to Comment Herman Strandsc...
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'...the Euro is extremely credible and solid'

So is rat shit.

Herman Strand-Schnecke

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:31 | Link to Comment MauiDog
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How about.... PIIGS FUK US ...Portugal Ireland Italy Greece Spain France UK UnitedStates..... It just sound right....

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:32 | Link to Comment DoctorMad
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How about BIG F'N PIGS?

Belgium

Italy

Greece

France

Netherlands

Portugal

Ireland

Germany

Spain

The Dutch are hardly squeaky clean in this mess with their pension issues.

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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WOW!!! YOU NAILED IT!!! COOL!!!!   BIG F'N PIGS IT IS FROM NOW ON!!!

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:49 | Link to Comment Byte Me
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PIG BIPS

Only here in Benelux though.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:33 | Link to Comment jules from aus
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I don't like this show.. can I get a refund, Mister?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:35 | Link to Comment tennisdude
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So will SocGen FINALLY go under this week? It seems like it's about that time. BIG PIS needs an F in there somewhere.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Heh, Heh, heh....

As part of the '08 shitshow I was given a package and the right to liquidate my Dexia Share Plan....Cashed out when the stock was at 27 or so...

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This couldn't happen to a more incompentent bunch of guys...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:36 | Link to Comment TheLooza
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is anyone here willing to

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   greecE

     spaiN

   irelanD

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   irelanD

      italY

  belgiuM

           ?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Use of Weapons
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Note to the party faithful here:

Belgium still doesn't have a 'proper' government. http://blogs.wsj.com/source/2011/08/18/belgium-thrives-despite-lack-of-g...

 

I guess we'll get to see what happens when an economy tanks without a government. History in the making.1

  • 1. Non-European readers - warning, large snark ahoy. Brussels is the centre of the EU. And very pretty canals & good beer
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:50 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Spent a week in Brussels back in '95.... had a great time, awesome moules-frites as well. La Grand Place is also a great place to chill and have a few...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Alvaro de Esteban
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Having a Van Rompuy you don´t need a proper government to destroy a country´s economy. Not to say with more than 10.000 Eurocrats living there.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:17 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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"Belgium still doesn't have a 'proper' government" This may be their saving grace. Without the nice government men to make things worse they may just go through the pain they need to go through then exit in better shape. Or the Germans could send tanks through once again. Time will tell but my guess is that no government is a plus at this point in history.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:48 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Brussels has NATO HQ as well.  Is this a race between Gaddaffi and NATO?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:08 | Link to Comment Use of Weapons
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Ottomans & Turks, that's where it is at...

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Alvaro de Esteban
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Bernie Boney & Claude Clyde will solve the mess with marxist measures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVoZgM4fgI&feature=related

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:02 | Link to Comment tempo
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Its clear w/o Germany's full backing the ECB bond concept and $4 trillion in funding for the PIIGSB will result in the collaspe of the euro zone and a world wide depression.  Its coming fast.  Maybe the FED will underwrite the ECB bonds.  When you owe $200 trillion WHAT diffference does an additional  $4 trillion make?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:19 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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Hey make it 6T and give everyone a holiday bonus!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:25 | Link to Comment turkey george palmer
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can i ask a dumb question,  if banks are possibly going to have to have a holiday in this country, would credit cards be honored or would they decline them at the point of sale terminals.

   I know htis is not on subject. been wondering awhile

 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:35 | Link to Comment Herman Strandsc...
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Turkey George..My advice is, If your card is declined try to sell it to a politician in a Bar for twenty bucks or more.

Yours, Auntie Herman.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:49 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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"can i ask a dumb question, ..."

Yes.

- Ned

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Use of Weapons
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There's an excellent reason why all major bank cards in the entire fucking world have Visa, Mastercard or Delta on them.

Reserve currency. Lack of liquidity freezing cards is basically endgame stuff, and there should be various gaurentees via Visa/Mastercard/Delta/American Express etc on credit protection [tied into governments insuring up to X,000 of said deposit for their nationally based banks.] Put it this way - unless your credit rating is insane, and you can put a $3,000,000 bill on your card, you should still be able to charge to it, in terms of small [sub $20,000] amounts.

 

ATMs running out of money? Entirely possible - however, Brussels really isn't a cash place, capice?

 

It is late, and I'm not doing due diligence - but that's my intuitive thoughts about it - I'm sure better minds can take me to the Alamo if I'm wrong.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:38 | Link to Comment viator
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You got it screwed up. It was the PFIIGS. Now I guess it's going to have to be BIG F'n PIS

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:50 | Link to Comment Dick Darlington
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Dexia Municipal Agency, major player in funding states, local governments, public sector entities etc. They issue covered bonds under the french obligation fonciere law. Have a peek at their exposures here:

http://www.dexia-ma.com/docs/en/actifs_30-06-2011.pdf

It's all good baby, all good.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Herman Strandsc...
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Wow. That's quite a client list ain't it? The competition must've been green with envy.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:02 | Link to Comment sheeple2012
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BIG FUK PIGS?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:52 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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Excellent indicator that France and the UK are next... bravo...

What about FUK US BIG PIGS... The super douche Obummer is no brighter than the European dim bulbs...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:09 | Link to Comment ZeroPoint
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Did shit just get real?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:21 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Yes. Gold closed in NY at $1900.30

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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The Bernank says:

"Gold isn't money."

The Bernanke IS Correct...
Gold isn't money... Gold is like a thermometer...

It simply measures the devaluation or uselessness of dollars aka Bernanke Bucks... Therefore there is no Gold bubble, it is simply a shiny indicator of value...

The Bernank
What a maroon... what an ultra maroon...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Golden monkey
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Use of Weapons
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Pretty much hardcore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaNEK1suwiM&feature=related

 

The videos of the terminal hits aren't pretty however - I can imagine any uplift / cross winds will fuck you up big time.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:29 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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Why do you hate the Canadian?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:30 | Link to Comment pallen
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Is the crack of doom coming soon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U319VzSqEU

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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You posted that just to cheer us all up didn't you.  :)

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:10 | Link to Comment pallen
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:)

And this one works even better.

Who knew that ukrainians could make music :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX_rNEPIgc8

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:59 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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That was like a Wizard-of-Oz-Tin-Man-Nazi-Lawrence-Welk-Gong-Show in a Vegas-Casino...

I almost threw up...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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What happens when Britain joins??

B-BIG PIS...

What About Shark-oozy?
You know that Frank Weisner Jr. step son aka CIA tool Shark-oozy will jump the shark and run France into the ground...

Then what?? BF BIG PIS?

What About Obama Bin Lyin'?
Lord knows that bitch can't read the Teleprompter and steer the economic bus at the same time... That clueless bitch will steer the econ bus right into the ditch... Then what?

BF US BIG PIS or BF BIGUS PIS...

Tyler, so many acronyms, so little time...

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