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"The End Game: 2012 And 2013 Will Usher In The End" - The Scariest Presentation Ever?

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If Raoul Pal was some doomsday spouting windbag, writing in all caps, arbitrarily pasting together disparate charts to create 200 page slideshows, it would be easy to ignore him. He isn't. The founder of Global Macro Investor "previously co-managed the GLG Global Macro Fund in London for GLG Partners, one of the largest hedge fund groups in the world. Raoul came to GLG from Goldman Sachs where he co-managed the hedge fund sales business in Equities and Equity Derivatives in Europe... Raoul Pal retired from managing client money in 2004 at the age of 36 and now lives on the Valencian coast of Spain, from where he writes." It is his writing we are concerned about, and specifically his latest presentation, which is, for lack of a better word, the most disturbing and scary forecast of the future of the world we have ever seen....

And we see a lot of those.

Consider this:

  • We are here...

  • We don’t know exactly what is to come, but we can all join the very few dots from where we are now, to the collapse of the first major bank…
  • With very limited room for government bailouts, we can very easily join the next dots from the first bank closure to the collapse of the whole European banking system, and then to the bankruptcy of the governments themselves.
  • There are almost no brakes in the system to stop this, and almost no one realises the seriousness of the situation.
  • The problem is not Government debt per se. The real problem is that the $70 trillion in G10 debt is the collateral for $700 trillion in derivatives…
  • Yes, that equates to 1200% of Global GDP and it rests on very, very weak foundations
  • From an EU crisis, we only have to join one dot for a UK crisis of equal magnitude.
  • And then do you think Japan and China would not be next?
  • And then do you think the US would survive unscathed?
  • That is the end of the fractional reserve banking system and of fiat money.
  • It is the big RESET.

It continues:

  • Bonds will be stuck at 1% in the US, Germany, UK and Japan (for this phase).
  • The whole bond market will be dead.
  • Short selling on bonds - banned
  • Short selling stocks – banned
  • CDS – banned
  • Short futures – banned
  • Put options – banned
  • All that is left is the Dollar and Gold

It only gets better. We use the term loosely:

  • We have around 6 months left of trading in Western markets to protect ourselves or make enough money to offset future losses.
  • Spend your time looking at the risks of custody, safekeeping, counterparty etc. Assume that no one and nothing is safe.
  • After that…we put on our tin helmets and hide until the new system emerges

And the punchline

From a timing perspective, I think 2012 and 2013 will usher in the end.




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Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:46 | 2482469 Ranger4564
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You're right about that, but this time around, there will be about roughly 6.99999999999999999 Billion pissed off natives, who will band together overcoming their massive disagreements and body odor, to form one fucking huge militia likes of which the world has never seen, and we'll crucify these fuckers once and for all.  Forget the military / politzai / various agencies / mercenaries / drug lords / mob... the people will clean house.  It has come to a point so deep, we need to really deal with these scum once and for all. You don't need their grain or power if you prepare and know how to survive.  Don't become compliant.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 02:25 | 2482671 Cathartes Aura
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bioweaponry.  already being used, efficiency.  not everyone gets a ticket to ride. . .


"I think I'm gonna be sad, I think it's today. . ."

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 08:08 | 2483085 Ranger4564
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yeah, i know these bastards have been working on killing in every way possible... sick fuckers really.  nano aerosol dispersed viruses.  sprayed in the air, absorbed through your skin. thanks to funding by bill gates of hell.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 23:35 | 2488401 Cathartes Aura
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plus one reality upvote.  spread the word(s).

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:15 | 2482510 kiwidor
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except 15:1 is no longer the natural ratio.   More like 8:1

FOFOA could write 200 pages of rational shit to explain or debunk this, but I won't.  instead, i'll skip the overwrought argument and head straight for the crutch;

an 8:1 ratio, which is more natural today than the oft quoted 15:1, will have the effect not of increasing the price of silver, but of limiting the price of gold.

(and bear in mind there isn't enough of either metal to go around)

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 08:09 | 2482461 Ranger4564
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When all this interest globally chases Gold, there won't be enough who want to part with it for whatever is deemed to be exchangeable currency, so Silver, Tungsten, Copper, Titanium, every fucking thing will go up, in regions.  Silver will do very well along with Gold because Silver used to be money in poorer countries that could not afford gold.  So in my opinion, Silver will do quite well.  And if we really want to fuck the bankers, we disuse gold and focus all popular attention on using silver... as a way to topple their "power".  That's the real logic of the silver liberation army.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:15 | 2481814 dougngen
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Long self sufficency and self defence...


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:16 | 2481815 walcott
Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:26 | 2482051 flacon
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Why are those grown males acting like children?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:29 | 2482258 Calmyourself
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Becasue they are the epitome of bread and circus imbibing morons..

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:01 | 2482163 mtomato2
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Fuck it, Dude.  Lets go bowling.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:29 | 2482259 NuckingFuts
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Do you mind if I do a J?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:40 | 2482291 NuckingFuts
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I guess I picked the wrong year (2012) to quit sniffing glue.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:25 | 2482522 kiwidor
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There is never a wrong year to quit sniffing glue.   or taking Meth.  or Coke.  (either kind)

Junkies are happy enough when they have their junk, so a minor H habit isn't so bad.  

but glue?  nasty . as my dad always used to say (apart from saying "don't get caught"); "Don't be a cheap-drug addict."

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:16 | 2481816 AurorusBorealus
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The "new system" that emerges after a financial collapse will certainly include an attempt to install complete fascist totalitarianism in the West and provoke a war that involves much of the globe.

Economics and finance do not exist in a vacuum unattached to the real world no matter how removed derivatives seem from anything that produces goods or services for people.  This is no mere economic squall; this is a hurricane that will obliterate the social and political structures of most of the world.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:32 | 2481869 macholatte
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The "new system" that emerges after a financial collapse will certainly include an attempt to install complete fascist totalitarianism in the West and provoke a war that involves much of the globe.


Now take that thought and envision the most disgusting politicians imaginable being protected by the cops and the army and the governments they helped to destroy, being shielded in bunkers and private estates at zero cost with servants and assistants and security guards and plenty of food and drink, while they remain in power, while the sheeple get trampled and bloody and miserable.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:59 | 2482160 Offthebeach
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Envision? It's called, Town Hall, Anywhere. USA.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:58 | 2486733 Clashfan
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Macholatte, exactly. Now add in technology, info databanks on all persons, bio-weapons, massive bunkers for the elite, energy weapons, and obedient coppers.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:55 | 2481953 Overfed
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My fears exactly.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:19 | 2482019 A Lunatic
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Oh. I thought good men would rise to the occasion, chase out the moneychangers, elect Ron Paul and return to the gold standard...............



Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:40 | 2482092 Xel3
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I share your pessimism towards good men standing to the ocassion. On the other hand there was this one time around 1786 or so I think.

Besides. Who needs "good" men when you have a starving nation? Ask ol' Louie the 16th how that played out for him. ^_^

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:59 | 2486737 Clashfan
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Um, better ask Louis and the Czar about Templars first.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:40 | 2482093 Xel3
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I share your pessimism towards good men standing to the ocassion. On the other hand there was this one time around 1786 or so I think.

Besides. Who needs "good" men when you have a starving nation? Ask ol' Louie the 16th how that played out for him. ^_^

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:20 | 2482233 Miffed Microbio...
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Agree with your sarcasm. Ive been on the lookout for the next Hitler making his pitch to solve all the problems. Someone charismatic, persuasive and giving hope to the masses, a real orator to herd the sheeple. Don't really see one that fits the bill just yet, he (she?) must be waiting for the true economic malaise before emerging. Fascism here we come!


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:16 | 2481818 Beevreetr
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oops....  tier

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:17 | 2481820 zerotohero
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Even if half of what he says happens - it ain't gonna be pretty.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:21 | 2481827 cranky-old-geezer
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Nice presentation, but wrong conclusion.

TBTF banks are just that, too big to fail, meaning endless printing to keep bailing them out.

Bank collapse won't happen.  But currency collpase will. From all that endless printing.

2013 will usher in the new global feudal financial system where governments, banks, and similar oligarchy get boatloads of printed currency to maintain their lavish lifestyles while everybody else slides toward poverty

...because the dollars (or euros or whatever) in their paychecks are worthless, or nearly worthless.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:29 | 2481857 chump666
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No, rates are collapsing, which means even the mega wealthy will be screaming out as values collapse across the board, mixed with energy inflation.  The safe havens are collapsing accept for USDs (just look at Asia) and Gold.

USD's?  Yes, why, because all other currencies are stuck with brutal stagflation re: India and China  - a f*cking mess.

Money printing does not keep banks solvent.  Look at Spain, then look at the ECB balance sheet - it 100% financed the Spanish banking sector which is HUGE.  Now a c-hair away from a total collapse.

There is no master players here pulling strings, just a a chaotic rudderless mess. 

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:51 | 2481929 Rubbish
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I bring up gold to under $1,000 and get all thumbs down.


I agree with the guy, there is no fucking place to hide. You have your strong back and thats about it, well and a ruger 10/22 & a Moist Nugget...pew pew

Just ordered a tack driving scope for the 10/22, all I need now is a Fram oil filter to screw on the end. Gimme your gold bitchez

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:21 | 2482025 pods
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You are going to take people's gold with a 10/22 and an oil filter?

Better luck stabbing them with the bayonet on the Mosin, at least you can do that from a safe distance.


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:34 | 2482056 Rubbish
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Actually there isn't going to be any gold, the feds will have confiscated it all for worthless digits.


Gotta love dem digits. All those hungry peeps getting a bounty to turn in folks with Gold, they will love digits too.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:27 | 2482054 chump666
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A ZH poster just put up the Rollover clip. Wow, forgot about that my heart is beating a little faster.  It's right on the money, accept, Asia will drive up US rates by massive USD appreciation and since America can't handle higher rates = slam's that Obama recovery down.  Fed may just lose control of the curve.

+ gold buying.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:24 | 2482036 A Lunatic
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Correct...........because just like Facebook, the whole damned financial system is nothing more than a pump and dump scheme for the benefit of the political, social, and economic elite. All of these "failures" are merely consolidations of power and money for them...............

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:58 | 2482481 Ranger4564
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I agree, and I like how you think.  You've got that devious cunning going for you, so you can think like the evil bastards, and see all of this as not a failure of the banks, but a failing for the people, who will lose their money, the investors who will lose value, and all that gets shoveled to the top of the pyramid.  And same goes for nations, corporations, etc.  All those failings are no threat to the oligarchs, in fact they enrich the oli, they're a threat to the ordinary peeps.

This is the final stages of the overthrow of governments.  All of you who have been clamoring for regulation free society... you're about to have your wish fullfilled.  Happy wet dreams... it's your blood afterall.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:17 | 2482514 cranky-old-geezer
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No, rates are collapsing...

It's not about rates moron, it's about value of currency, which keeps dropping with more printing ...and there's gonna be lots more printing to buy up lots more (worthless) paper from governments and banks.

The safe havens are collapsing accept for USDs (just look at Asia) and Gold.

Hey moron, USD has lost 50% of its value since 2007, gold hasn't.  And see what happens when USD loses WRC status, it'll drop like a stone.

Money printing does not keep banks solvent. 

Yes it does moron.  How do you think TBTF banks  survived since '08?

You're a blithering blathering idiot.  Go the fuck away moron.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 21:45 | 2486595 Ookspay
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Man, you are cranky...

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:36 | 2481885 disabledvet
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still gotta have that interest rate reset. i still don't understand "how we get to the end of the world" with zero percent financing of government. eventually "someone has to pay for something" in my view. i can't say i can explain this current "the governments of Germany and the USA don't have to pay for anything" period in time. i have noted that the farmers up here are really clearing the land to make way for "yet another ethanol plant and its feedstock." word is ethanol costs a buck a gallon to make which "can power quite a vehicle fleet" once we throw the corrupt politicians "under the bus" so to speak such that "flex fuel vehicles are required by law." anywho this is one wild time! my advice? "don't be big."

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:25 | 2482044 pods
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If cash ever detaches from digital, that is when it is time.  As long as plastic (credit/debit same thing) is usable, things will be okay.


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:25 | 2482045 pods
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Double tap.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:38 | 2482454 WoodMizer
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How do these farmers plan to sustain the feilds without oil to produce high intensity nitrogen fertilizer?  Oil is needed more in, large scale, modern agriculture than in almost any other industry.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:16 | 2482513 my puppy for prez
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It's called "cover cropping".

Check out "The One Straw Revolution".

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:29 | 2482529 kiwidor
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check out this too:

the guy who made those deserves a nobel prize.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 01:17 | 2482608 Seer
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" i still don't understand "how we get to the end of the world" with zero percent financing of government."

Well, I suppose that being unable to pay for the actual stuff, not just the financing fees, would be a pretty good indicator.

Govts can only hope to keep themselves afloat (a bit longer) by starting wars.  It's physical resources that drive the bus; all the rest is just painting on the outside (advertizing/propaganda).

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 18:24 | 2486194 DosZap
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"flex fuel vehicles are required by law."

And who can afford to just junk out their new,used vehicles set for max 10% ethanol?.

Flex fuel will (as you know run on 100% ethanol), ALL  vechicles that are not Flex Fuel self destruct engines at 15% Ethanol.

I am thinking that Ethanol, might be better utilized to feed starving masses,if this is played out as written.

Using Food for fuel is Idocy IMHO.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:39 | 2481900 AGuy
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I believe your scenero will be the one that happens. Recall last year the Central banks joined forces to kick the crisis down the road another year. They will kick the can again.

 Japan has managed to hang on despite a much higher Debt to GDP, and with a 9.0 Earthquarke and a meltdown of 3 reactors. It will take a lot more pain before a global collapse happens. Its also likely that countries will continue to erode civil liberties, and probably go to war rather than resign to a collapse. The TPTB will not go down with out a fight. and masses (most either recieving or promised gov't handouts) are likely to go on following, surrendering both their freedom and digity to support the system. The masses will permit the TPTB to continue to plunder assest and wealth (ether by out-right theft of there banking accounts) or with real negative interest rates, just as long as the TPBT lie to them about their promised (non-existant) entitlements and that better times are around the corner!



Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:07 | 2482190 mtomato2
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I SO dont want you to be right.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:19 | 2481831 toady
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Yep, that's what I thought.

Of course, I'm just a toady, so no one cares if I say this stuff.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:20 | 2481833 theduke2421
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Question - is any of this actionable? If not, is it valuable? 



Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:25 | 2482005 hedgeless_horseman
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Yes, it is actionable on many fronts.  Here is just one...

Whether or not it is valuable is yet to be determined.  

Personally, I try to live every day like it is the banks' last.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:16 | 2482012 cranky-old-geezer
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Yes, get your ass(ets) out of their system before they loot your ass(ets) into poverty.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:21 | 2481836 disabledvet
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THE COUNTRY OF SPAIN IS THE COLLATERAL YOU MORONS. Sure..."all the scary people live in Valencia these days." I hope to visit one day myself! Still...i didn't find the video particularly alarming. Perhaps it's because my threshold of "fear" has been increased exponentially oh these last few years.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:21 | 2481837 chump666
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Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:23 | 2481841 Marginal Call
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Pfft.  The problem is energy.  Water.  Etc.  We can't freely grow as we are flirting with carrying capacity.


So not being able to short stuff isn't that scary.  You want scarier?  Hunger games with 6 billion losers. 

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:44 | 2481910 Arisu
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Good to point this out. This is going to be the ultimate barrier to the system's expectation of exponential growth, no matter what tricks they'll employ to buy more time.

The hyperinflation is predetermined because actual resources can't be duplicated at will and technological progress is subject to diminishing returns as complexity rises, yet everyone acts as if it will never become a problem. This lack of adaption will make the crash velocity very unpleasant for us when we hit the wall of confrontion with reality.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:23 | 2481842 slewie the pi-rat
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he's good

but he's also about 1 year behind the zH curve, imo

except here, who could even understand him?  they'd think he was a fuking crackpot like slewie without tyler's intro and tyler's great work getting us to where we already know this and have already done what is needed

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:31 | 2481862 francis_sawyer
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I hereby nominate slewie to go on 'The View' and explain it to everyone by discussing the nuances with Whoopi Goldberg...

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:48 | 2481930 slewie the pi-rat
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you may have heard i have been curious abt whoP since i first saw her and thought she might be a guy who had grown up on flipWilson?

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 12:23 | 2487259 Jena
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The devil made you say that slewie!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:27 | 2481843 tony wilson
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the big reset

Rothschild Rockefeller are joining forces


glg  partners  are a rothschild entity so you could say this is the baron's report.

Niall Ferguson also of glg is paid a couple of million a year to bleat his corporate shill shit.

this is like wt7 a controlled world wide demolition.

call it the start of the nwo or what you will..

with the added ingredient of fukishita radiation with more to come in the next couple of months add in a few wars.

all the makings of a hot return to the medievel periods with some cia zombie flesh eaters thrown in the mix.


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:25 | 2481847 Rick Blaine
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Long anything related to firearms.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:31 | 2482063 A Lunatic
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Especially visits from jackbooted thugs at three A.M.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:25 | 2481848 nmewn
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"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

- Anonymous
Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:38 | 2481893 disabledvet
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EXACTLY! "And now you owe me one."

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:51 | 2481938 nmewn
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Paid in full ;-)

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:36 | 2482541 kiwidor
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There can be only owe.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:27 | 2481850 PLove
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The TV-Titrabble got you covered.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:27 | 2481852 DanDaley
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This is getting trying to out-ski an avalanche.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:28 | 2481853 boooyaaaah
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There is that number 13 again

Revelation 13

King James Version (KJV)

13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:33 | 2481872 francis_sawyer
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- Dan Marino

- Alex Rodriguez

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:08 | 2481990 Marginal Call
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I'm not afraid of your sky monkey fairy tale unicorn talking snake bush. 


The story of religion is the story of ruling powers enslaving rubes.  And idiot preacher families in West Virginia, now 2 consecutive generations wiped out to snake handling.  Stick to twirling chickens. 

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:22 | 2482030 nmewn
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Ya know, I'm sensing some real love, compassion and understanding for my fellow man in this comment ;-)

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 20:14 | 2486449 BigDuke6
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Sounds like the gospel hour.
Whatever happened to that guy Jimmy swaggert?

He's back!!!

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 10:42 | 2487137 nmewn
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For every one weak, backsliding shepherd, there are thousands who stay on the straight & narrow...and even more bleating sheep (millions perhaps) mocking the disgraced shepherd ;-)

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:24 | 2482041 rehypothecator
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2013 != 13 

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:17 | 2482395 hangemhigh
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@ rehyper       

best case 2013=33. worst case it equals 6, the recurring digit of the unholy trinity...............

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 07:09 | 2482944 francis_sawyer
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2+0+1+2 = 5

2+0+1+3= 6


(Footnote: This means nothing to me... But If you're bored, it's kind of fun)

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 21:28 | 2486562 jwoop66
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The world's about to end and you direct us to a three (3) hour+ youtube!?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:36 | 2482276 constantine
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So, what's the trade?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 21:56 | 2486610 Ookspay
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Mark 13:32 - Jesus said  "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

No man will know the end times including John the rambling author of Revelations. Perhaps he should have listened to Jesus.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:28 | 2481855 dwayne elizando
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I have a three year old son and I can't help but to cry some nights thinking about whats coming! Fuck this system!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:47 | 2481924 EverythingEviL
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I feel the same, I have one on the way. My wife really thinks I'm nuts when I try to tell her how bad things are. I didn't want to even have a child at this point in history but I couldn't stand to deny her's gonna be crazy soon. Good luck all....

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:32 | 2482064 Blotsky
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Tell ya what, when I "woke up" at the age of 28 to what is going on, I knew one thing for certian, I will not have children.

And to be honest that is heart wrenching. 

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:03 | 2482455 New World Chaos
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The puppetmasters thank you for not spreading any genetic susceptibility to alturism and intelligence.  They see these as dangerous social diseases which must be selectively bred out of the population. 

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:31 | 2482532 Tsunami Wave
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Your avatar seems to describe the feeling well.


 As for me since I'm exiting my mid 20s, I don't really know what to do.  I suppose still go on with it and be very fucking careful.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 04:14 | 2482752 Sent by the hand
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It's a scary deal all around.  But I had three in the last 8 years and it's the best thing I ever did.  Maybe not the right thing, nor the smart thing (for them) but the best thing for me.  Even with the divorce coming and fully immersed in Operation Bitchface it's still great.


You just have to train them to get ready and live somewhere you can put some food up..

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:39 | 2484968 boiltherich
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And you never know, they might come in handy when food gets REALLY short...  Waiter, make mine a Donner Party special, well done.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:37 | 2482083 pods
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To the both of you:  There are many things outside your control.  These leave up to faith.

Do what you can to prepare with the usual list.  And remember that almost anyone you meet can be as kind or as cruel as you can.  Once the angry mobs have subsided, then the people who have cool heads and real life skills can think about getting back to work rebuilding things.  

I once was worried about my two young kids.  Since I have started to teach them the values that they deserve, I have found strength of duty in doing so.

Purpose so to speak.

Give em a hug and remember money systems have collapsed all throughout history.  Misery will surely follow for some, but it does not have to follow for all.


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:24 | 2482247 nmewn
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Well stated as usual pods.

The ones who have been absorbed into the system will remain there. The ones who remain true to themselves and theirs will be just fine.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 21:31 | 2486568 New_Meat
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pods, a greenie on ya.

and the pussy junksta--one pussy junksta?  c'mon out and 'splain your self.

'cuz I have limited keyboard time before I have to go out and clean up the garage.

don't cha' know.

- Ned

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:00 | 2482361 Dr. Engali
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I feel your pain. I have three kids , the oldest one is thirteen the youngest is five. But the thing about it is , when I first woke up to what is really going on in the world I felt the exact same way. My wife thought I was nuts and all I could do was fret for my family. But after a while , of study and silent prepping I started seeing things differently. I figure if I can teach my kids the skills they need and the values of putting the needs of others before their own , then they will be the seeds of a new and better system.

I also learned not to be so direct when talking about it. I learned to quietly point out the truth or certain current events. I let my wife come to her own conclusion about things. She isn't quite on board, but she also doesn't look at me like I'm crazy when I continue to stock the larder.

I believe it's going to be a rough go for a while but With a little faith and preparation it could lead to something better.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:56 | 2482480 Miffed Microbio...
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Dr Engali,

Reading what you said truly saddens me. I feel like I have to apologize for women everywhere. My father in 1971 had a heart to heart talk about the importance for holding real assets ( gold, productive land and property) because Nixon taking us off the gold standard. To him the world was going to end. I was 10 yrs old. Each time his Howard Ruff newsletter came he read it to me and tried to get me to understand how to prepare for the future. Being 10 not much sank in but I'll never forget his passion. I never forgot his passion for gold ( his masters thesis at Columbia was about the gold standard). When he died in 1981, I tried so hard to do what he wanted me to do. I can't tell you how many people laughed at me and said I was foolish, and like an idiot I listened to them. My own husband said that if we impemented my dad's ideas, we would end up living under a freeway ramp in our retirement (he's seen the light now and regularly
buys gold with me). I had financial planners laud my husbands
investments and tell me that my dad was a product of his time and his
ideas had no application to modern life. Yet again I believed them. My
husband has eaten a lot of crow the last few years but, honestly, I'm more
angry with myself. I should have taken my own money and prepped the
way my dad told me to do long ago and given the middle finger to all who
ridiculed me. Thank God some people have the balls to follow the proper path in a sea of naysayers! You have my respect. I wish there was the Internet in the 1970s and 80s so like minded people could have connected. Those were very lonely years.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:08 | 2482501 my puppy for prez
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Your wife is a lucky woman, Engali!  I am the wife in this house, and I am the one who is doing all the prepping!  I feel like the protector most days, and that saddens me.  My hubby is a good man, works very hard, makes a fantastic living, but I can't seem to get him to internalize what is coming and DO something, damn it!  He tends to do the "ostrich" thing.  I'm doing the best I can, but I don't have complete control of the finances.  I dread the thought of the day when the stuff we didn't get out of the market goes up in smoke....I am afraid I will be extremely resentful.  My three kids are all so different.  My girl (21) is like me and is learning to live off the grid.  My eldest son (23) is the eternal optimist brainwashed by the business school, and loves the "modern life".  My 15 yr old son is pretty solid, and has some rudimetary survival skills plus some serious marksmanship.  

I guess the best we can do for our families is to have an emergency know....for "natural disasters", I tell them, so they don't look at me too askance!  

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:26 | 2482525 Miffed Microbio...
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You go girl! Nice to hear there are crazy prepper women like me out there too. After reading ZH, sometimes I feel all women are doing the "ostrich" thing... most embarrassing. I mean... men cant be the only ones awake. I like to think all the women are lurking here and are afraid to decloak in the man cave.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 08:13 | 2483102 my puppy for prez
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Thanks for your words!  Maybe we should start the "Annie Oakley" club!  lol

You have been blessed to have had a dad who would teach you these things.  I stumbled into the "truth movement" about 5 years ago in the weirdest way.  Someone asked me if I had ever heard of the Hegelian Dialectical Process.  I had to find out what it meant, and then, down the rabbit hole I went!  

Good to know that at least one other woman in the world is plugged in and can handle the truth!  I sometimes want to scream to women:  Wake up!  Your lunch dates, Junior League, nail appts, Pilates workouts, and Botox aren't going to even EXIST pretty soon!


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:15 | 2484787 Miffed Microbio...
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Annie Oakley... That's great! I wish I could shoot as well as she, but I am working on it. Yes, I took the bait and googled Hegelian Dialetical Process. Very interesting. I now have something to read tomorrow on my day off,thanks. I share your views about the soccer moms out there. All the women I work with are only interested what's on tv or what other form of entertainment they will engage in. Reminds me of that old Star Trek episode the Cloudminders. They frustrate me so! Then I drive home after work and pick up some steaks at our local butcher shop. The butcher seemed a little down and I asked why. He was working on prepping and realized his wife, who had surgery to remove her thyroid, must have medication. He was afraid when the SHTF he wouldn't have enough meds stored. I told him as a butcher he had a lot of access to beef thyroid and with some research he could possibly make his own, though he would have to be extremely careful an overdose could be fatal and I would do anything to help. He was so happy and said I had lifted an enormous burden off his shoulders. So, in my experience, the so called uneducated blue collars seem to be more awake then the college educated.
Keep the faith and stay strong...nice to find a kindred spirit.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 18:48 | 2486253 jemlyn
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Hello Miffed and My Puppy.  You are not alone.  I read ZH every day and try to warn my friends.  My husband was a gold bug and made a lot in the 70s but did not do well 80 to 2000.  He passed away then and did not live to see the rise but he was right about the preparations and I am carrying on.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:20 | 2486335 Miffed Microbio...
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Hi Jemlyn,

Well you made my day. I can now count at least a few women who are not asleep. ZH has saved my mental life. I'm sorry to hear of your loss and I hope you have support. It's a tough world out there and I hope you aren't going it alone. I'm at the shooting range and got to go for now. Take care!


Sat, 06/02/2012 - 23:57 | 2488435 Cathartes Aura
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for every "woman" with her head in the sand, there's also a "man" in denial - let's not perpetuate myths, particularly here @ ZH.

here are some links to awake people who happen to be female - pass 'em on.


humans, being.  no need to draw divisive lines, particularly at this stage of the game.  we can all work to wake others up, no one benefits from leaving loved ones behind. . .

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 21:27 | 2490484 Miffed Microbio...
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Dear C. Aura

In my post I was not trying to devisive but simply stating personal experience therefore anecdotal and NOT scientific. All personal experience has personal bias. Frankly the 1:1 ratio you speak of can hardly be proven...even it it were what's the point? In my experience, women tend not to like to face fear. I'm included in that category. It's taken a lot of courage to face my own fears as well as societal fears. I believe women tend to find more comfort in safety, perceived or otherwise,rather than men. This is a generalization of course and not meant as absolute. Perhaps the reasons are biological in origins. I would find myself extremely fearful walking in an area with a known rapist was committing crimes, my husband would not.

My intent was not to judge, denigrate or offend anyone.


Sat, 06/02/2012 - 08:51 | 2487055 Waterfallsparkles
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Hi Miffed and My Puppy,

I was taught at the age of 7 by my Father to Shoot a rifel.  I became a Marxman.  My Father took me with him to Hunt and Fish.  He had permission to Hunt Ground Hogs on a friends farm as they would eat all of the Farmers Crops. We even had a target in the basement where I practiced with a pellet rifle.

Even as of today I still have the skills and ocassionally go with my Son to the pistol range to keep in practice with a hand gun I have for protection.

My Father taught me like a Son and I am so grateful for everything he taught me and the time we had together Hunting and Fishing.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 21:03 | 2490444 Miffed Microbio...
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You truly had a blessed childhood. My father also loved to shoot but never had time to take me due to the fact he worked m-f at his business in LA and came home to sleep on the weekends. Watching him slowing kill himself working to death made me determined not to have a life like that so I became a professional ( didn't realize I had just signed up for permanent tax slavey). At 51 I'm now trying to catch up on his ideas of self sufficiency and preparedness. It's heart warming to hear your warm feelings for your childhood.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 01:10 | 2482595 Dr. Engali
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Thank you for your kind comments, however I am the lucky one. She is a strong woman, but she doesn't like to hear bad things. Lord knows I've made plenty of dumb mistakes. It was the events from 2001 through 2007 that woke me up from my selfish slumber, and I started putting the needs of the family above my own needs.
I can appreciate your frustration, but you are to be commended. I'm sure your husband will understand some time and he will be grateful for what you have accomplished. Keep plugging along.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 21:40 | 2486589 New_Meat
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Hey doc,

"I believe it's going to be a rough go for a while but With a little faith and preparation it could lead to something better."

and in prep

"A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent"

all y'all can look up the second quote.  Then, truly consider the source of same.

Then {OT--but I'm compelled} consider the fricken' ACLU {I'm considering how to characterize them, but not tonite}  "lawyers" who we finance publicly to oppose whatever they wish.


 - Ned


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:33 | 2481858 Normalcy Bias
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Fiat Fraudpocalypse!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:30 | 2481859 Newager23
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I don't like to post negative, but let's face the facts are becoming clear. I'm a futurist and I have studied the future since 1989. I have known what is coming for a long time, so what is happening today I expected. And it is only going to get much worse before it gets better.

I have self-published 9 books to let people know what is coming and to prepare them. What we are facing is nothing less than the transformation of civilization: our econommic, social, political, and religious systems are going to be transformed in our lifetime. This is not a slow change, but a dramatic change. And we are on the precipice.

America is literally on the edge of implosion. Forget about Greece and Europe, that is child's play. America has bigger problems because our culture and demographics. We have lived (and are living) a life of affluence and expectations. Europe is more attuned to deprivation and will endure it better. American's are not ready for deprivation.

As most on the site are aware, our economic system of spend and pretend is no longer tenable. We mock Krugman, the Benank and company, and other Keynsians because we know they are leading down a dark tunnel. That tunnel is approaching and we know it.

I've been writing about this since the early 1990s and now it is here. What can we expect? The nothing less than the Demise of America. The first state to secede will be Texas around 2015, which will lead a stead stream of state to secede. You may think that can't happen, but trust me the Fed's will be broke and the country will be in no mood for a civil war.

Once Texas goes, the national economy will fall on its face completely. It will already be in dire straits by then, but it will be brutal fall after that. We will have armed troops in the majors cities and it won't be pretty.

Economically it will be a return to what I call hyper-localisim. We will work locally, for local business. And eat locally, from local farmers. The corporation is going away, and there will no more fast food industry to feed everyone. I'm sure most of you think that is impossible, but get ready. McDonald's will be the lone survivor for a while, but even they will go away.

How could this happen? People won't have any money and these fast food restaurants will be empty. People will have no choice but to live together, share resources. The money that exists will be shares by groups, and people will eat together in groups. Communities will become checkerboard at night, with more than half of homes dark because no one lives there.

So, if you think real estate -- houses and appartments -- is good investment, I have my doubts. The only thing that will protect you is farmland and gold and silver. I've been investing in gold since 1991, when I realized what was coming. Now I have 95% of my assets in gold and silver.

Physical gold and silver will be hard to come by in about 2 years. So, get it while you can.



Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:39 | 2481901 disabledvet
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why do people who know the future always make it out to be so negative? on second thought..don't answer that.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:04 | 2481976 SilverIsKing
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I wonder if those cash for gold shops will convert to sex for gold. Some PM stackers are going to be a hit with the ladies.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 21:39 | 2486586 jwoop66
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Depends.   If we choose to follow the Constitution we will be flexible enough to maneuver through whatever life throws at us as a nation.   Europe has been addicted to state control since WWII.   I believe they, and the rest of the world will have a more difficult time.   If we stick with Constitutional principles, we will survive, then thrive.   It is up to us.  That is our(americans) challenge.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 22:16 | 2486641 Ookspay
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Great post in response to the futurist, who did make some good points. The United States will fair well in the long run. We are blessed with tremendous natural resources; water, farmland, oil, coal, natgas, timber, oceans. We produce and export more food than the rest of the world combined!

"Follow the Constitution" and return power to the States.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:41 | 2481904 stocktivity
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looney tunes on ZH tonight

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:04 | 2482122 New World Chaos
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I'm a doomer, I'm a shroomer

I'm a loony-tooner

Play with my silver in the sun

I'm a joker, a chicken-choker,

But glad I'm not a broker

I sure don't wanna hurt no one



Agree with Newager23 that Texas will secede and most other states will follow.  This will culminate in a horde of vets and rednecks sacking NY and DC.  It will be the Woodstock of our generation.  Then all conspiracies will be revealed in the mainstream.  There will be a worldwide Philip K. Dick reality shift.  It will be hundreds of years before people trust the elites again.  Been saying all this stuff for a couple years.

Global system reset, debt jubilee and radical decentralization are the only viable paths to freedom!  Bring it, bitchez!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 04:04 | 2482744 The Navigator
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Montana/Wyoming/Idaho will compete with Texas to be 1st - but Texas has a great advantage having seaports for import/export and naval ops.

I also agree with Newager23 - math and history are hard to beat with fiction and teleprompters.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 04:55 | 2482779 uff the fluff
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I truly wish that I could say I see evidence in history of a time when extractive elites have been universally dismissed or even greatly weakened but I simply fail to find precedent for such things. The elite usually kill a whole lot of us and we fall in line if push really comes to shove.

Now this certainly doesn't rule out a wide scale embarrassment of the current crop of elites (though I wouldn't count on it), but to think that they would not quickly be replaced by a surprisingly similar cadre is unrealistic.

The whole of human history after agriculture is one long exercise in an ever increasing consolidation and refinement of power.

I will say that the current “masters” are certainly giving the impression that they’ve managed to kill the goose that’s been laying golden eggs, but if that’s the case I see an awful lot more suffering and downright subjugation than I do a renewal of frontier living and personal freedom.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 05:48 | 2482811 slewie the pi-rat
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hey, stocktivity!

without grading anybody, you have an excellent point imo, here

yet, New_23 gets greens and you get the splits and some shits

maybe this doesn't fit for this case or what we are seeing in general, but i'm gonna put it out here, in the context of your play, here

things suck and are not what they appear to be;  TSHF is not some bullshit fringeBlogTM flakiness;  serious writes are going ape-shit;  tyler brings them to us, every day, and other sites, also

so, i think everybody has some serious commonality here, ok?

the divisiveness seems to be in what i call the mythical orthodoxy aspect;  jimQuinn if you will;  a theory becomes idealogy, becomes dogma;  jim's 4thTurning is just one example of how this may work, for some adherents

this is neither good/bad;  right/wrong i think;  it is just human and emotionally satisfying to have something believable, historically, theoretically, sometimes mythically;  but many today distrust dogma even if the underlying situ seems compatible and agreeable:  looneyToons in the sense perhaps that someone feels compelled and qualified to tell the future and prophesy, inspired by the love of these ideas and the stance it affords them in life, existentially

personally, i understand this and do not try to stand against it and fight it, try to beat it, since the dramatic and revelatory angle is not necessarily in-valid, imo, depending more on personal style; and expressing it this way may be fine for _23;  he goes to his church; people in his church respond;  you and i end up m/l in our church... no biggie

and many like the structure, as we see here;  so maybe that's what's happening...

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:44 | 2481915 Almost Solvent
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Do you think peak {whatever} will also come into play? That is, if there is no oil, potable water, etc. there is no reason to invest what's left deploying forces such as the miltary into urban areas that would be basically overrun by zombie type "feral" humans? 

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:54 | 2481951 lotsoffun
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once you stop shipping i-junk across the planet and eat what's available locally and don't commute 2 hours and don't keep the tv. and the heat/ac on etc. while you leave the home for work, oil consumption drops like a stone.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:45 | 2482556 kiwidor
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I've been practising those things...leave the heaters on when i'm out, and the lights...never turn stuff off.  shipping junk from across the planet..  it's my small contribution to keeping the economy going.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:53 | 2481945 jomama
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who's going to maintain all those 440+ nuclear reactors globally if society falls apart?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:32 | 2482065 fuu
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No worries, most of them are on major rivers and lakes. The radiation gets diluted with the water.


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:44 | 2482114 slewie the pi-rat
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are you practicing homeopathic radiology w/out a state-issued license again, fuu?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:26 | 2482432 fuu
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1 vial $10!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:47 | 2482563 kiwidor
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Miracle Water.  except i think that's already a trademark.

how about "Bountiful pleasance"   or "extreme longevity" water.   better yet, "fuck-up your annoying neighbor" water.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 01:46 | 2482637 slewie the pi-rat
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eau de bequerel

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 07:15 | 2482959 francis_sawyer
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Don't swim in the water... Fish shit in it...

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 07:40 | 2483020 krispkritter
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Perfect! Because it grows great veggies in my aquaculture tanks....

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:11 | 2484218 fuu
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We have a winner!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:02 | 2482484 dwdollar
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I've been wondering that myself...

Don't worry, I'm sure they have a shutdown contingency plan for the end of the world... being how they were so prepared for a relatively common earthquake and associated tsunami.


On the bright side, a little radiation will probably be the least of our worries. Keeping the local "Lord Humungus" in check will probably be a bigger issue in our daily struggles.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:59 | 2481965 AGuy
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"The only thing that will protect you is farmland and gold and silver."

I agree on the farmland, but I doubt PM's will save you. I have no doubt that gold ownership will be made illegal before the collapse happens, or they will put a 90% tax on it. Those in power will force you to hand over your PMs by using the rule of law: legalized theft!

Farmland is OK, but you need to be self-reliant. Currently family farms are being forced out, by Big Agra so they can dominate the industry. They are doing this by getting laws passed with makes it impossible for small family farms to stay in business. Most of the new agra. regulations originate from Big Agra.

 You should not be dependant on selling crops/livestock/etc to the market to survive. Farmland also needs into include plenty of surface fresh water to avoid dependancy on deep well water. The land must also contain plenty of wood stock (for energy/raw building materials). When the dollar does take the deep plunge, oil will be in short supply and expensive. Same for nat-gas, and electricity.


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:23 | 2482035 Quinvarius
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For the entire hstory of mankind, gold and silver have been the only things that always protected you in a financial crisis.  The people who still have not bothered to research WTF money is yet should refrain from making any comments about gold or silver or repeating stupid stuff they hear on TV.  Governments have a long history of taking people's farmland.  You cannot bury your farm to preserve it for later.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:37 | 2482080 i_fly_me
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They can't make gold ownership illegal again or tax it for that matter ... at least not for long.  They shot their wad with that one early last century and it won't work now.  The only gold play they have left is to let the fiat float against the physical, and the more the public has the better after that.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:01 | 2482166 Thomas Jefferson
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UN Agenda 21 shit for brains.  Nothing is safe.  Go Google it before I rip you out of your diapers.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:58 | 2482487 my puppy for prez
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A21 is my area of deep research.  I am well aware of the threats it brings.  But that does not mean anyone should just roll over and die without fighting.  A21 is a stealth agenda, of course, and relies on local implementation for the most part.  The biggest redress one has is the local sheriff, who can stand b/t property owners and govt agents, demanding a warrant to enter said property.  I doubt that, in any real time of chaos and catastrophe, the local soviets (small s) will have much time or ability to regulate one off their land.  A shotgun would work fairly well.  No different than the wild west, really.  We will just have to become much tougher overnight! 

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:03 | 2482175 El
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Yeah? Well, I lost all my gold in Lake Erie. Can I help you with that scuba gear, Mr. Government Man?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:03 | 2481972 Marginal Call
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You're talking about the east coast.  I grew up in the wild west.  Where, less than 40 years ago my grandmother #1's house had no electricity, and grandmother #2's house had no plumbing or electricity.  I shit in an outhouse as a kid, and I'll do it again.   We've got 100x the resources and 1/50 of the population density.  And we're not so far removed from living off the land.


My Grandparents did.  And I'm only 38.  


If I lived out east I'd be looking at some Michigan land that they're almost giving away.  They've got water and space.  That's the first and most important criteria for survival.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 02:07 | 2482657 delacroix
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oklahoma and kansas, you can find a nice parcel in the $10,000 range, with an old fixer home. check craigslist.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:09 | 2481996 TSA gropee
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I can think of 450 million (hollow point) reasons why civil war is not only expected, but planned way in advance for.

A serious impediment to America falling into submission to the elite is a heavily armed citizenry. Hence, the purchase of oh so many pistol rounds. The goosestepping storm troopers plan to make it up close and personal.


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:38 | 2482085 i_fly_me
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They'll need better than .40 hollow point if they come to my town.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:12 | 2482505 mt paul
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an enemy wounded

is more a liability

to his comrades 

then a dead one...

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 02:16 | 2482662 Hunch Trader
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If not wounded seriously enough, he'll be back to the fight later on.


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:58 | 2482155 cranky-old-geezer
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A serious impediment to America falling into submission to the elite is a heavily armed citizenry.

Please ditch the patriot rhetoric, we're 98% submitted to the elite now and not one hint of any opposition / uprising / revolution / whatever.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:29 | 2482437 Vlad Tepid
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Shhh!  Don't talk while the movie is going on in his head!

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:55 | 2482288 TomGa
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Yep. A pistol is only for controlling your immediate surroundings and/or cutting a path to safety until you can reach your rifle.  A rifle is for implementing your will.

How many rifles in this nation eat .40 vs  7.62 / .308 or  5.56 / .223 or even .30-06?  How many scoped deer rifles are out there with trained men behind the triggers?  .40 does indeed sound "up close and personal."  


Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:55 | 2482483 BidnessMan
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Let's see....... 300M+ US citizens plus 10M - 20M illegal immigrants.  The federals better be very good shots with their 450M rounds.  Given that on average hundreds if not thousands of rounds are expended per kill, they will run out of .40 long before they run out of people.  Lots of folks will be left still around who are real pissed that friends and neighbors got taken out.  Will see how tough the 1%'ers are when their body guards and lackeys run out of ammo. And will abandon them to take care of themselves and their own families.  Will also be interesting to see how much inventory shrinkage there will be if things start getting tense.  A lot of that .40 might get lost in boating accidents and such.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:51 | 2482573 prodigious_idea
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Sadly, they'll only have to shoot a "few" to get (most of) the rest to comply.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 08:26 | 2488827 HellFish
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The sheep will comply after the first few are shot. Others will dig in and get motivated.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 21:46 | 2482118 Possible Impact
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Have you looked at the material from John Robb?

Your "hyper-localisim" seems related to his "Resilient Community" concept. Can you post a link to info on your books?



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By weaving open source permacultural and technological cycles together, we intend to provide basic human needs while being good stewards of the land, using resources sustainably, and pursuing right livelihood. With the gift of openly shared information, we can produce industrial products locally using open source design and digital fabrication. This frees us from the need to participate in the wasteful resource flows of the larger economy by letting us produce our own materials and components for the technologies we use. We see small, independent, land-based economies as means to transform societies, address pressing world issues, and evolve to freedom.

Factor e Farm is the land-based facility where we are putting this theory into practice. Here we are testing the prototypes of of Global Village Construction Set, working piece by piece towards self sufficiency. Ultimately, our goal is to make this self sufficiency available to all. To this end, the GVCS is designed to be self-replicable. After the first set is complete, it will be used to fabricate copies of itself from raw materials (for the cost of scrap metal). At that point we will shift to begin developing networks of interconnected self-sufficient villages and homes.



Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:48 | 2482473 my puppy for prez
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Very cool stuff!  Thanks.  It's college-age daughter and I were talking just today about learning permaculture...we better do it fast!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 07:34 | 2483006 krispkritter
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Looks for info on Bill Mollison, Sepp Holtzer, and Geoff Lawton. and cover a lot of ground on those subjects. It works for me!

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