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The Biggest Market Headfake Ever: Is A Wholesale French Bank Liquidity Run The Sole Reason For The Euro, And S&P, Surge?

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Sat, 10/15/2011 - 17:25 | 1777622 ZippyDooDah
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Freakin' priceless!

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 18:48 | 1777783 LeonardoFibonacci
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Would that fench bank be Banque Nationale de Paris (BNP PARIBAS).  Regardless of the Euro situation and total turmoil in all the spreads, the market will go up 5% monday in Europe & USA because people are hooked on HOPIUM!

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 19:27 | 1777858 LeBalance
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"fench" == Frucking Piceless!

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 20:13 | 1777942 ratso
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Great stuff Tyler.  KUDOS!!

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 22:44 | 1778188 DeadFred
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" Expect all of this to promptly, and very violently, correct once the market understand what an idiot it has been in the past two weeks" Couldn't happen to a nicer market.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 00:55 | 1778336 Oh regional Indian
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Yep yep. Only  Q is will it be MOnday or Tuesday?

ORI

Speechless

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 02:30 | 1778399 Smithovsky
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so another 10% up next week?  

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 02:58 | 1778411 Oh regional Indian
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Hah! Anything CAN happen in this universe of infinite possibilities.

But certain stresses in any complex system can act as catalysts and guide outcomes. Right now, Catalysts abound.

Perhaps tomorrow will be known in history as Black Moanday!

ORI

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 03:17 | 1778417 Smithovsky
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It doesn't feel like we're at maximum pain yet.  

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 04:58 | 1778478 Michael
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I can't tell you how desperate the situation has become.

All I got to say is get your hands on as much gold and silver as you can.

For Inspiration;

REM - Shiny Happy People

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNW809QqF1g

 

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 12:54 | 1778536 Manthong
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Is it possible that the algos are NOT infallible and inherently risk limited?

Say it ain't so.

 

 

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 12:36 | 1778870 French Frog
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"It doesn't feel like we're at maximum pain yet"

You're quite right: this market (recent rally) is starting to have all the hallmarks of the early 2010 move, when no amount of bad news (or fake/false good news) stopped it from grinding higher.

Unfortunately I expect many more shorts to be decimated in the following days/weeks before we have the next downleg

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 13:18 | 1778925 CrashisOptimistic
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QE2 was in full force in early 2010, with net new 600 billion of money added to the system by Ben.

We now have zero net new money being added.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1778939 Smithovsky
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But we do have low earnings estimates and a plan for a plan from EU with a Nov. 4 deadline.  Oh, and Tim just promised to bail out Europe if needed.

The shorts (I am one) could be in for a painful 3 weeks.  

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1778992 WonderDawg
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I think it's possible we have a short term dip this week that might be a nice place to exit shorts, before one final surge into December. Once that surge peters out, maybe around 1260-1270 S&P, we tank and tank hard.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 13:38 | 1778951 French Frog
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QE2 only started after the Jacksons Hole meeting in late August 2010; it wasn't around during the Feb/Apr 2010 market ramp I referred to when the Dow added 2500 points in less than 3 months

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 14:51 | 1779071 bonddude
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So who's buying? The melt-up continues in 3...2...1...

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 06:01 | 1778495 Reptil
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The younger brothers went away and came back again.
We went to another planet, while they remained here?
Very interesting! Thank you.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 00:59 | 1778341 CrazyCooter
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When I was young and starting out, I used to have a Bill Joy quote on a piece of paper pinned up on my cube wall that said "Artificial intelligence is that which we don't understand" or something to that effect. I tried to source it, but couldn't find anything right off the bat. I burned my butter/almondbutter/nutella/sriracha power grain toast dessert doing this post, so gotta go fix my spicy tooth and head to bed.

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 04:51 | 1778474 Reggie Middleton
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I'm going to address this in detail in a post on both ZH and BoomBustBlog. This was seen coming in the 2nd quarter and it is quite apparent that it is being quite underestimated. These French banks can set off a chain reaction that will make Central Bankers long for the good ole Lehman collapse days. Until I get the post up (complete with downloadable models for everyone to play with - yes, Christmas comes early in the blogosphere), review:

"BoomBust BNP Paribas?" (it is strongly recommended that you review this article if you haven't read it already) as well as...

Thursday, 28 July 2011  The Mechanics Behind Setting Up A Potential European Bank Run Trastde and European Bank Run Trading Supplement

I identify specific bank run candidates
and offer illustrative trade setups to capture alpha from such an event.
The options quoted were unfortunately unavailable to American
investors, and enjoyed a literal explosion in gamma and implied
volatility. Not to fear, fruits of those juicy premiums were able to be
tasted elsewhere as plain vanilla shorts and even single stock futures
threw off insane profits.

Wednesday, 03 August 2011 France, As Most Susceptble To Contagion, Will See Its Banks Suffer

In case the hint was strong enough, I
explicitly state that although the sell side and the media are looking
at Greece sparking Italy, it is France and french banks in particular
that risk bringing the Franco-Italia make-believe capitalism session,
aka the French leveraged Italian sector of the Euro ponzi scheme down,
on its head.

I then provide a deep dive of the French bank we feel is most at risk. Let it be known that every banked remotely referenced by this research has been halved (at a mininal) in share price!

So, What's the Next Shoe To Drop? Read on...

For those who claim I may be Euro bashing,
rest assured - I am not. Just a week or two later, I released research
on a big US bank that will quite possibly catch Franco-Italiano Ponzi
Collapse fever, with the pro document containing all types of juicy
details. This is the next big thing, for when (not if, but when) European banks blow up, it WILL affect us stateside! 

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 10:00 | 1778645 centerline
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Looking forward to your next article Reggie.  Always appreciate your work.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 12:18 | 1778838 Confuchius
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Reggie;

Seems for a month or so the rumors were flying regarding a cut in euro interest rates.

The euro got sold & sold & oversold.

Then the rumored interest rate cut never happened. Gone. Poof.

Followed quickly by mucho short covering. Panic. Euro rises from ashes...

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 12:55 | 1778887 fockewulf190
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I wonder Reggie, just how much of a Phyzz stacker you are.  I´m going to take an educated guess (in which you have been a part of based on the information you have provided over time) and predict your taking the same preventive action as many of us here are. If so, I thank you for your service.

At this moment I´m watching the German finance minister on TV trying to blow sunshine onto the situation for the German public to digest.  The man is looking older and grayer than ever before.  Not surprisingly, he never advises the public to take measures to protect themselves.  It´s all a Leslie Nielson moment: "Nothing to see here... please disperse...nothing to see here...please!!"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 19:45 | 1777887 Mike2756
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Yes, great work!

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 22:30 | 1778168 FL_Conservative
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I guess that's what happens when one allows algos to drive their trading policies.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 01:00 | 1778338 Newager23
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I think it's possible that stimulus/growth of the western economies is no longer possible. The reason I say that is two-fold: the curtailing of credit and high energy prices. We have not seen Brent prices drop below $100 for quite some time, and that is the price most of the world is paying. The Western banking crisis appears to be getting worse instead of better and that is hurting liquidity and thus loans.

I know that the ECB and the Fed are going to do everything they can to maintain liquidity and bank capitalization, and they might succeed in the short term and create some inflation in commodities. But there is also the likelihood of a black swan event, such as a major bank in Europe going down, that spins out of control like the Lehman event in 2008.

The bottom line, in my opinion, is that the debt situation in the banking/financial system is not fixable. At some point, all hell is going to break loose and a lot of bad things are going to happen. Inflation and deflation are two of those events. The other is high unemployment. Another is riots and martial law in the big cities. Then it just gets worse and we have to reorganize society.

How long do we have? My guess is that it could happen any day between tomorrow and the next 24 months. I call this the change point, and it is getting closer as each day passes.

The OWS gang can feel this change point approaching and they want to do something now to prevent it. But its too late. All we can do now is start over.

www.goldsilverdata.com

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 09:36 | 1778622 prains
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Let's get freaking started then,this perpetual wait is killing my popcorn supply

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 09:47 | 1778627 disabledvet
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Again..."which is it son? The Franc or the Beans (counters)?"

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 10:23 | 1852803 Stuart
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basically the same as why the US dollar ran up in 2008... albeit at a much larger scale...so why should anyone be confused. 

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 17:24 | 1777624 Sutton
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Cannibalization.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 21:16 | 1778074 jekyll island
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I wonder if the French banks got Goldman Sachs to help them like Greece did

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 17:25 | 1777625 devo
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Pretty much.

A year from now, if the Euro still exists, it will be 1:1 with the dollar.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 18:07 | 1777705 Ghordius
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October 2012?
EUR/USD over 1.6

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 18:31 | 1777752 agent default
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Or 0.8.  When the market panics, and it will with the current Eurozone mess, everybody scrambles to the USD for safety.  Now, don't ask me what kind of safety you get there, I don't even know what the damn thing is really worth but they always do it.  It is stupid but they will do it.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 19:23 | 1777849 Vengeance
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I wouldn't necessarily say that the market scrambles to the USD for safety... If we think about it, the only currencies which offer the liquidity needed by SWFs, CBs, Major Funds, etc. are the JPY, EUR, GBP, and USD. And the winner this year, thus far, is the JPY.

But, as fucked up as it may appear, with the USD still being the reserve currency funding most of the world's international trading (i.e. commodity prices for one), the USD, as we all well know, falls when world economy is doing well and gains during constrictive times like fears of an impending recession. This happens because the negative outlook and potential negative ramifications on business causes both American and European banks who in the good times are lending greenbacks to help support economic growth, to retrench and reduce their loans outstanding. So in the absence of new dollar-denominated loans and the paying back of currently outstanding loans the effect is a scarcity of USD liquidity and thereby a shortage of USDs! Looking at past recessions, this has happened in everyone of them for the last thirty years and has caused the USD to rally! So it's not necessarily the flight to safety as every TV pundit assumes, but instead it is quite simply loans being repaid and/or banks in a scramble to support the outstanding ones they have on their books.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 19:50 | 1777899 topcallingtroll
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And if the euro falls ( dollar rises) we can qe a few more trillions without repercussions. We can make the rest of the world pay up, and pay up dearly for liquidity preferences.

There is free money out there. The third world mercantilists are basically begging us to rip them off and make them subsidize the usa.

We should oblige them

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 19:30 | 1777862 LeBalance
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1.6 to 0.8 on the same day, baby! Maybe 0.08 too! /roflmao/ Dicky V voice (of course):  Its an Awesome opportunity!  Its a dealaroonie from me to yoonie!  :)  /mask sez: smokin!/

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 22:27 | 1778163 fasTTcar
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If you can wait that long, have the same amount of ounces of gold and silver.

You won't have to play that game.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 11:25 | 1778764 upWising
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Safety in the dollar?  Safety in a howling, driving rainstorm?  That's like the safety you get from a really pretty green umbrella - made of paper.  

Stay dry.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 19:33 | 1777870 MolotovCockhead
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Euro up, Euro down... Dollar up, Dollar down.....what the fuck do I care!!! I'm into gold. Only interested to see some bankers jump out through the windows where they work.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 00:29 | 1778303 yipcarl
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everything else is manipulated, controlled, cajoled, and at large admitedly HFT computers control 80% of the volume... and you don't think gold can be controlled like anything else?  You and everyone else in that slumber needs to wake up. 

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 01:42 | 1778369 12ToothAssassin
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Hasnt it been pretty well established that gold is manipulated UNDERVALUE? If everything is manipulated, then is gold still not the best play?

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 13:28 | 1778937 yipcarl
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I'm confused at to what you don't get?  So the elites OR the ones causing this monetary death and destruction, I.E. Feds etc.... and you think they're going to let YOU and others like you retain your wealth and even get rich during this period of paper money destruction because you own gold?  DUDE, that happens in a FREE market, this is not a FREE market.  You cannot eat your gold therefore your gold will be worth nothing, absolutely NOTHIING in a monetary collapse.  The fact this escapes so many people, even here on ZH amazes me.  AMAZES ME. 

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 14:48 | 1779064 RockyRacoon
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You've been here long enough not to be such a simpleton.  I pity your future.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 20:30 | 1779780 Hulk
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The yipper sold all his Au at $1000, I remember when he posted that years back...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:10 | 1781407 yipcarl
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Hulk... I can't believe you remember that?! Now Rocky 'Racoon' ... 'Gold Selling' Raccoon, who called me a 'troll' should have remembered me way before you.  As  you can see I'm no troll, actually you can click on my user name and see my posts for years, that's NOT the def of a troll.  Point is........ yes I had gold at about 500 and I sold it around 990-1120. Obviously I shouldn't have sold, I was wrong. I got alot of things wrong but i can tell you this, no matter WHO is right here........To think that gold is the place to be because our paper money, which has been backed by the strongest nation in the world for a century is going to lose it's worth(of course that will happen it's planned) is a massive feat, which IS happening....BUT then in the same thought say it's time to buy gold.....as if they can't cajole and manipulate that.  What a JOKE, fairytales are made of more intellegent stuff. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:53 | 1781655 RockyRacoon
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The word "troll" was never used.   That's your own concoction.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 23:18 | 1778223 macholatte
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The pattern does seem to suggest that the headfake was not to the upside but to the downside and then the correction was back to the upside. Clearly TPTB want a strong Euro and a weak dollar. The recent decline in the Euro was a mistake that they quickly corrected via historically extreme movements. Avoiding that kind of blip is what they are working very hard at regardless of fundamentals, logic and reasoning. Government intervention always trumps everything else. The mandate is that the currency crisis shall be avoided at all costs. So we just might see a EUR/USD = $1.60 long before we see EUR/USD = $1.20 or less.    JMHO

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 13:20 | 1778926 macholatte
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French Finance Minister Francois Baroin, who chaired the meeting, said Berlin and Paris, the leading euro zone powers, were well on the way to agreeing a plan to reduce Greece's debt, stop contagion and protect Europe's banks.

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The G20 statement pledged to ensure banks are adequately capitalized and have sufficient access to funding, and said central banks would continue to provide liquidity to banks as required.

G20 tells euro zone to fix debt crisis in eight days

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/15/us-g-idUSTRE79C74G20111015

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 17:30 | 1777627 DoChenRollingBearing
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I have comments on the banks in my review of Barron's this weekend.  Interested to take a look?  gmail me at my name for the link.  My blog is not Fight Club, please assure me that you will behave...

A Barron's writer says the US banks are not only stronger (on average than Europe's) but they are stronger than they were in 2008.

Barron's Cover Story is about why (in Andrew Bary's view) bank stocks are a BUY now.

EDIT:

Germany, despite the many meetings with Sarkozy, may very well wind up running Europe after an orderly default on Greece is finished (Richard Morais, Oct. 12).  France?  No.

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