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The Biggest Shock From This Friday's Payroll Report (Sorry Men)

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By now much has been written about the joke that was the collapse in the labor force participation rate. Perhaps too much, especially for a topic which as we predicted back in early 2011, would be the primary fudge factor allowing mainstream media headlines to blast America's economic renaissance. Remember: it is all about "confidence." Little, however, has been said about the constituents of this dramatic plunge to a 31 year low, namely the simplest distinction: that between genders. As the chart below shows, when one spreads the labor force by sex, the Friday data is particularly sad for one class of workers: Men. Because as the seasonally adjusted data shows, the labor force participation rate for men just printed at 69.8%. It has never been lower.

The winners, if one may call it that? Women, whose participation rate, while declining and merely where it was back in 1993 last, is still nearly double where it was in 1948.

America is already elbow deep into class warfare. In order to comply with Caesarian and Napoleonic principles, and divide and rule "more better", has the time come to throw in some sexual conflict into the mix as well?


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Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:09 | 2776403 boogerbently
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Can we get months of coverage about "Obamas War on Men" now ??

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:19 | 2776432 Fecklesslackey
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Are there still any men who are going to vote for Obama?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:21 | 2776589 Red Heeler
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Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:38 | 2776628 Central Bankster
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I wouldn't call them "men".

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:43 | 2776722 lemonobrien
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he is the "Gay" president.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:58 | 2776742 TruthInSunshine
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Dr. Michael "The Big Short" Burry's "Brutal Hangover Is Inevitable


"Infamous for his prediction of the great recession, Europe's demise, and the collapse of the US financial system (as well as profiting extremely handsomely from said predictions), so well captured in Michael Lewis' book "The Big Short", UCLA's Dr. Michael Burry undertakes UCLA's Economics Department's commencement speech with much aplomb. In this "age of infinite distraction", the astounding truthiness of this 15 minute speech is stunning from single-sentence summation of Europe's convulsions that "when the entitled elect themselves, the party accelerates, and the brutal hangover is inevitable" he reminds us that Californians, and indeed all Americans, should take note. A quarter-of-an-hour well spent from a self-described 'chicken-little' who was "just trying to figure it all out"."
Source: Zerohedge

Dr. Michael "The Big Short" Burry's "Brutal Hangover Is Inevitable" State-Of-The-World UCLA Commencement Speech
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:05 | 2776840 flacon
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 21:23 | 2777194 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Affirmative action at its best. Keep your intellectual crowd stupid and subservient.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 01:07 | 2777637 phyuckyiu
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MGTOW. Fuck your no fault divorce, loss of kids, assets, and alimony/child support to boot because you are unhaaaaaapy.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 06:28 | 2777815 AldousHuxley
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"labor force" reports only counts wage jobs as report worthy,

but women have always "worked"

  1. gaining hobbies and skills to marry up no matter class
  2. cook and clean until modern technology automated those tasks
  3. raise children
  4. and lower class women always worked in some job for plantation owners...just ask any african american grandmother.


feminism came about to put those houshold work labor into corporate work labor.


Caveat....corporate world tend to make a person a hypercompetitive sociopath which women are not naturally talented for.

Motherly skills are devalued, "manly" skills are forced upon women. Men chase hot tails anyway after  certain money in the bank and of age when men realizes younger women are more valuable as companion than aging nagging wives.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:43 | 2776909 Red Heeler
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'I wouldn't call them "men".'

Call them what you wish. My point is that most people get their marching orders from the MSM. How do you think the guy got elected in the first place?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:59 | 2776746 Whatta
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Are there still any men who are going to vote for Obama?


Unfortunately the answer is "shitloads". Here in post-racial post-partisan amerika no one gives a shit about things like A Presidents Record, Future For The Kids, etc.

We only want our fvcking entitlements and freeshit from the rich man. We are visionless and clueless as a people.


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:22 | 2776442 Michael
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The equal rights amendment push did wonders getting us to where we are today.

I'm happy being a house husband lying on the couch, watching soap operas, and eating bon bons all day while my wife brings home the bacon.

Equal Rights Amendment 

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:25 | 2776450 Gully Foyle
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I've lived that life since before 90.

On the positive side I raised our son while she went to work.

Not many men have that level of interaction with their children.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:42 | 2776502 Michael
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Love it.

Mr. Mom (1983) Trailer

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:35 | 2776478 max2205
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Work is over rated

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:49 | 2776517 DoChenRollingBearing
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LOTS of men way underemployed over here in Italy (where we are on vacation).

I could write a book on Italy vs. Korea when it comes to manufacturing...

Your humble correspondent did not see any "Compro Oro" signs in Orvieto (the small town we are at today), but I will keep a sharp eye out for more (I saw at least 15 in Rome, most for ONE BIG BUYER).  More cities to visit and I am raelly curious to see if Italians are selling gold heirlooms whose gold will get melted down and sent to China...  Details and picture will be at my blog when we get back.

Italy is taking a real beating.  Sad.  And they have worse immigration problems than we do.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:02 | 2776548 fourchan
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personally i checked out of this economy around 2004.

i no longer pay taxes, i no longer report income, i no longer trade the time i have on earth for worthless fiat

currency, as a wage, slaving for another man.

i live free and will soon file for my social security to get back what i payed in before that ponzie scam goes under.

i am breaking the system because it needs breaking, and i am doing it by not playing in the fraud game.

i have a feeling im not the only one trying to break this game, and the chart above speaks a truth echoing my cause.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:10 | 2776571 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ a big fat 1!

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 06:49 | 2777825 AldousHuxley
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As technology improves standard of living and increases productivity, population needs to DECREASE in order to benefit from the gains.

For example, typical family in agrarian economy had 10 kids because half of them would die young prior to having children due to disease, wars, accidents and 5 are needed to keep up the farm work since more could die in adult age prior to 60.

But today, same 10 kids are likely to use natural and societal resources until age of 80 and we dont' need any one of them to farm because food production is pretty much automated at massive scale.


so why is world population increasing?

because ponzi scammers like the church, politicians, bankers (anyone who collects % of income versus set amount) depend on the pyramid growing at the bottom as they tax.


If you are the king, more slaves = means more wealth to you.

If you are the slave, more slave = means more cutt throat competition for you.


and without technological and social innovations, productivity wealth pie isn't growing, so it is now a Zero sum game.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:49 | 2776646 Fecklesslackey
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I'm sorry ... when you say you are not playing in the fraud game ... that is not true. You will receive payments from my children since the SS taxes you paid helped the Greatest Generation to survive the Boomer Onslaught. You will also be receiving Medicare in due time. You may say that you are not in the sandbox, then give up your SS and Mc ... or you are just a leach like the rest of us. 


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:02 | 2776838 Bastiat
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 "helped the Greatest Generation to survive the Boomer Onslaught"

Were the boomers an alien invasion victimizing the poor Greats?   The "Greatest Generation" MADE the Boomer "onslaught," literally. 


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:14 | 2776856 Fecklesslackey
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I agree ... but we did suck up a lot of the resources, decided that debt didn't matter, packed out education system with collectivists, and generally left the next generation responsible for our elderhood.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 19:06 | 2776944 Bastiat
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I did none of those things but then I've always been on my own trip.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:42 | 2776814 Fecklesslackey
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So all the green up arrows means that all you agree with "i no longer pay taxes, i no longer report income, i no longer trade the time ..."   

meaning, "i contribute shit to my country"


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:37 | 2776897 Dave Thomas
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Right lets all tow the line for the drone striking, meat dress wearing, banker fraud protecting shitty police state this country has become. Look at what the contributions and sweat of our brow has gotten us. You can stay in the party bus and contribute all you want. Good luck with the turnaround.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 00:56 | 2777629 MiltonFriedmans...
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I just wanna know when the Hunger Games begin....been looking for a good seat on Stub Hub and can't find one....

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 19:33 | 2776992 CH1
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meaning, "i contribute shit to my country"

First of all, no country is mine, except in the sense that I live there and like some good folks there.

And I owe 'my country' Jack shit. I owe other humans "do no harm".

All else are the bullshit songs of sacrifice-gatherers.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 19:55 | 2777046 Things that go bump
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I don't know whose country the US is now, but it isn't ours anymore.  

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 00:14 | 2777572 monad
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Don't believe it. You get what you're willing to settle for. You don't like it, you can change it. Don't wait for someone to give you what you want, you have to go get it. The laws of men are not the laws of physics. Everything is fatal, act accordingly.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:09 | 2776846 Angus McHugepenis
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I got a few years head start on you brother. Only difference is, I won't be asking .gov for any hand outs later in life. It was never my intention to try and break the system. I just didn't want any part of it anymore. I suppose it will break if enough people get fed up and do as we do.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 20:26 | 2777095 Svener
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I certainly hope you are not using the roads the rest of us pay for. And I'm sure if your house was on fire you would not call the fire department that the rest of us pay for.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 20:48 | 2777136 cifo
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I also hope you don't breath the same air we breath, and don't drink the same water.

Also, refrain from using the sewage system.


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:19 | 2776779 Element
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We're all golfers now.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:26 | 2776453 Gully Foyle
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What's the breakdown by race?

Black men must really be on the low end of this.

I gather no one will be playing that race card against Obama.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:46 | 2776641 boogerbently
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Black men got to vote (15th Amendment) 50 years before women got to vote (19th Amendment).

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:52 | 2776735 DosZap
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Black men must really be on the low end of this.

They are/ have been hit the hardest, and they will still vote for Obama.

Their rate of UE is DOUBLE all other groups.

I gather no one will be playing that race card against Obama.


You can BANK that.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:18 | 2776777 Translational Lift
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They are/ have been hit the hardest, and they will still vote for Obama.

Their rate of UE is DOUBLE all other groups.

Yep....the Bummer keeps shoveling shit in their face and they keep asking for more!!  SAD

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 21:23 | 2777192 Totentänzerlied
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They will because politically they lead a dialectical existence in which the answer to the failure of the state to lift them out of poverty is ... to ask the state to lift them out of poverty - after, depending on your attitude, 60 to 150 years of that state failing (surprise) to do just that.

Obviously a scapegoat will always be found, Obama must be trying really hard to help the blacks (and everyone else), but the evil *mumble*mumble*s are thwarting him at every turn! Maybe if we give him 4 more years ...

Reason does not enter the equation, we are safely within the realm of identity politics, managed perceptions, marketing, propaganda, etc.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:55 | 2776531 williambanzai7
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Sun, 09/09/2012 - 20:19 | 2777079 Svener
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Well DA! It is called capitalism. Women can work these jobs and are paid less. I thought we were all for capitalism. Easy answer, men should accept lower wages and they'd be hired more. This is just the market working as it should.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:09 | 2776404 fireangelmaverick
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I am buying this fucking dip in participation rate.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:34 | 2776706 boogerbently
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IF  96,000 jobs were added in the MONTH of August,

and 365,000 new "initial claims" (Unemployment) were filed last WEEK,

aren't we LOSING 15X more jobs than gaining them?

Remembering, people who have exhausted their UE benefits are no longer counted in the "unemployment" numbers.

In about 3 more years, 50% of potential workers will be out of work, but the "official" Unemployment number will be Zero !

My leg smells like pis.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:08 | 2776760 knukles
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And that's with inflated good numbers and deflated bad.

Imagine that!


Mon, 09/10/2012 - 01:00 | 2777630 MiltonFriedmans...
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Yeah, buy the f'n dip, the Obama put has your back.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:13 | 2776415 Mongo
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The age of men is over... the age of the cleptocrats have come

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:16 | 2776422 q99x2
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YeeeeeHaaaaaa. More reason not to work.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:21 | 2776425 timbo_em
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Maybe those men just needed some time to thoroughly put their fantasy team together?!

ps: Damn you, Cutler! A pick six in week one! Hell of a way to start a season.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:17 | 2776426 Caveman93
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Women are cheap labor..this is why. Can we say "Low Wage Bitchez?"

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:28 | 2776458 Gully Foyle
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It isn't so much that women are cheap labor, it's they will take jobs men won't.

Waitress, checkout person, nurses aid, so on.

How many men do you think want to wipe shit off elderly ass?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:58 | 2776538 LetThemEatRand
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Exactly.  Service economy = lower wages, more jobs that traditionally are taken by women because they pay less and women have historically been willing to accept lower wages than men.  The race to the bottom is in full steam ahead mode, and our politicians are competiting over which party will get us to the bottom first.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:54 | 2776739 MilleniumJane
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Plus those of us women who work in nontraditional fields have to work twice as hard to prove ourselves.  Whatta deal, huh?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:10 | 2776765 knukles
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I wipe my own elderly ass and don't get paid for it, so there!

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:54 | 2776827 icanhasbailout
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Clearly you don't know how to work the system.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:01 | 2776837 Angus McHugepenis
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That's because you're not using FRN's to wipe with. Duh!

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 20:21 | 2777084 Svener
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If men would accept lower wages they wouldn't have this problem.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 02:22 | 2777698 phyuckyiu
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Of course the benefits system will collapse when this happens, and women will be forced to magically find men attractive again, because the state can't step up anymore. Dichotomy.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:19 | 2776431 phat ho
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I need a job watchin' the soaps on tv; not

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:21 | 2776437 Fecklesslackey
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It's sure a good thing that all those 'shovel ready' jobs are completed ... I know my wife doesn't dig much

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:21 | 2776438 lolmao500
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Women everywhere are getting more phds, etc.... the laws are being pussified again and again to please women... the whole society is becoming weaker because of women.

Don't get me wrong. I like women and I want them to be treated just like men. Most women are statists because they think the state is like a mother who wants to protect their children. They don't understand/know history. Men are like that too, but overall, women are more statists then men.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:07 | 2776559 fourchan
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agree 100%

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:02 | 2776665 lolmao500
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Women are big balls of emotions. Facts don't matter. They want to control everything, everybody... for their own good, of course... and to protect ``the children``. Ban guns, ban curse words, ban drugs, ban alcohol, etc... etc...

Women on average are more control freaks then men. Think of all the women you know and how many are not control freaks? How many are not statists? How many wants to let everybody do what the fuck they want regardless if it's gonna end bad for them? All women I know want to control everybody's behavior.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:58 | 2776743 MilleniumJane
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You need to expand the circle of women you know in your life.  You might get a better view of the bigger picture.  Gross generalizations don't do anyone any favors.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 20:27 | 2777097 Zero Debt
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Peter Schiff at DNC: Ban corporate profits!


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 20:31 | 2777103 Svener
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Lol what planet are you on! Woman hater!

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 00:27 | 2777580 Free2Speak
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I am a woman, and sadly I agree with you about many, if not most women.  Women like the idea of government taking care of them.  They also see nothing wrong with taking away people's freedom, as long as it is "for their own good".  I am not a typical woman and do NOT think this way, which is why I can only have surface friendships with most women.  My mother-in-law is a typical example of a control freak --she needs to dictate and control everyting about everyone in her family, right down to what plumber I use, what musical instruments my kids play, whether my husband can have a beer, and how I wrap up my leftovers.  She is also the biggest moocher on the planet --always looking for someone else to pay for her major expenses (appliances, new car, health insurance) -- even though she has the money.  Now she LOVES LOVES LOVES being on Medicare so she can go to the doctor 3 times a week!

There are good women out there, but they are the quiet, intelligent types.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 01:11 | 2777643 Intoxicologist
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"There are good women out there, but they are the quiet, intelligent types."

And they pretty much just want to be left alone.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 04:30 | 2777776 MiltonFriedmans...
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Free2Speak, great post.

I have to teenage daughters, and I thank God, they are like you.

My wife, unfortunately, isn't. Go figure.....

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 04:31 | 2777777 MiltonFriedmans...
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2, sorry, it's late

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:48 | 2776729 boogerbently
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There ought to be a bounty on 'em.

Their "inconsistent" thinking has spilled over from popular culture into legislation.

Killing (of convicted murderers) is wrong.

Killing of babies is OK.

But, if an attacker causes a miscarriage, they want to have the right to charge him with murder.

Old people suffering with a terminal disease CANNOT choose to have their own life ended. Suicide is crazy.

Abortions now come with psychological counseling to help the mother cope with terminating their childs life.

There has been a sizeable increase in mothers killing their adolescent children, since Roe V Wade. Some "confusion" as to the "legal timeline" for filicide, I imagine.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 00:30 | 2777595 Free2Speak
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I am a woman Ph.D. (cell biology) and I agree with you, for the most part.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 00:30 | 2777596 Free2Speak
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I am a woman Ph.D. (cell biology) and I agree with you, for the most part.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:21 | 2776441 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Men. Can't live with 'em. Yes we can live without them!


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:50 | 2776520 Michael
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Or the $2,000 massage chair that has a perfect Swedish and Turkish massage at the push of a button that I bought on Craigslist for $200.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:58 | 2776539 GernB
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Looking at the increasing average age people get married, it would appear men can live without women just as easily as women can live without men.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:25 | 2776698 Winston Churchill
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God created man because she couldn't get her vibrator to mow the lawn.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:06 | 2776558 Michael
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That's why God gave us two hands.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:23 | 2776445 phat ho
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was just going to say; as long as the 'pussification' of MericA marches on it's no wonder dudes are getting pffffttt'd off about what's coming down the pike.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:30 | 2776463 Gully Foyle
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phat ho

I was just going to say as long as ignorant as fuck men who can't even speak or write the English language exist women will be employable.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:52 | 2776736 boogerbently
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As long as ignorant as fuck men don't realize the internet is an INTERNATIONAL forum, and ASS-U-ME English is the "default" language of the WWW.....


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:26 | 2776787 DosZap
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phat ho

I was just going to say as long as ignorant as fuck men who can't even speak or write the English language exist women will be employable.

Dat b Ebonics dude.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:25 | 2776449 phat ho
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can't make this shit up

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:26 | 2776452 Racer
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In 1948 men's wages were enough to provide for the family, now their wages haven't kept pace with REAL inflation, not the fake gumment con fake inflation figures, so two people have to work and if companies want cheap employees they will employ a woman because despite discrimination laws women earn less than men

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:35 | 2776475 Gully Foyle
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I think you missed something.

During WW2 when women entered the workforce TPTB realized they had a vast market.

Suddenly you could have two income households and sell twice as much.

Plus the nanny state could raise children.

Part of the war on terrorism was to bring more women into the worldwide workforce under the guise of equal rights. More money spent and churning the world economy. More kids seperated from their traditional lifestyles and education.

More lost souls.

Did you know that one of the great losses of the Feminist movement was quality Nurses and teachers?

Previously Women had very few career choices. The more intelligent were shuttled into Nursing and Education.

Now that they have a big old world of choice we are left with the slim pickings at the bottom of the barrel.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:41 | 2776495 BORT
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Men in 1948 didn't have to pay for 3000+ sq ft houses, granite counter tops, wifi for everyone, $400 per month cell phone bills, vacations to Disney, more than one car per family  That was the middle class. It was more affordable.  We borrowed this lifestyle, and we can't afford it.  Then you get into who's to blame within the family, and that is where it gets ugly, leads to divorce, and two homes with more money spent than less.  And this doesn't even count the older generation living 20 more years than they did in 1948, and the cost associated with that.  We have have to go through a gut wrenching return to a simpler li8fe with less health care, or the class/sex wars will continue

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:35 | 2776620 Michael
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I count total household hours worked by its occupants, to keep the roof over your families head, as a measure of living standards and quality of life.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:29 | 2776462 Conax
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Women work in retail, medical, and government jobs. So they are only vulnerable in the retail sector.

Lots of men are industrialists or into construction. They produce buildings and production machinery nobody needs anymore and vehicles nobody can afford. They are screwed.  I knew I should have been a  nurse.   I was in the hospital a while back, some girl came around taking everyone's blood pressure.  She'd walk in all bored and say, "blood preshuh?" It was an impressive display of professional acumen.  Since  nobody spoke up, she shrugged and left.  A very good paying job, I'm sure.  Only a woman could do that.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:40 | 2776491 Gully Foyle
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Read what I posted above you regarding Feminism and loss of quality in Nursing and Education.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:56 | 2776532 WillyGroper
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GF, with regards to loss of quality nursing, like everything else has been globalized. I can't tell you how many are now contracted out & paid less. As my mother was in the process of her final exit, many of the nurses in (best hospital in my city IMO) were from India. BTW, thx for the links on aquaculture a while back.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:19 | 2776862 BooMushroom
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If you enjoyed aquaculture, you might also be interested in

    Forest Farming

by Sholto Douglas, James. A book about farming using trees, as well as other perennials, and annual plants all together.

Got it at the library, read in two days. Ymmv.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 23:43 | 2793444 WillyGroper
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Thank you! 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 00:38 | 2777608 Free2Speak
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The nursing situation is downright dangerous to patients. My husband is a doctor who deals with these foreign nurses that the hospitals employ. They are unable to understand basic instructions, and he has to repeat things over and over to them. They are so poorly trained that they cannot answer simple questions about the patient or even carry out the doctor's basic orders.  For the hospitals, it is about saving money, paying big CEO salaries, and increasing profits.  Some people are going to die because of this crisis in nursing care. 

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:30 | 2776465 GernB
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I dont know how society has let itself be bamboozled into the idea that the need for both individuals in a relationship to work is a good thing.

So, does this mean that while women have been busy trying to be like men, men have been realizing theyd much rather have women work and stay home?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:58 | 2776744 boogerbently
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The govt. realized that to keep up with inflation both parents would need to work.

So they spawned the "Womens Lib" movement.

Even endorsed abortion, so pregnancy wouldn't interfere with production.

Credit cards became popular(routine) during this time, also.

The more you make, the more you spend!!

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:33 | 2776801 Cathartes Aura
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ahhh petal, you're keeping Limbaugh in business. . .

"they" didn't spawn the "women's lib movement" - but you don't really care about facts.


The feminist movement (also known as the Women's Movement, Women's Liberation, or Women's Lib) refers to a series of campaigns for reforms on issues such as reproductive rights, domestic violence, maternity leave, equal pay, women's suffrage, sexual harassment, and sexual violence. The movement's priorities vary among nations and communities and range from opposition to female genital mutilation in one country or to the glass ceiling in another.

wow - scary shit, eh?  how can women even think they deserve these things?? and be agitating for them for over two centuries??

just for the record, cultural conditioning makes males into "men" too - might want to examine your pre-conceptions, but prolly won't, might find some uncomfortable things in that box. . .

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 19:33 | 2776991 pods
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Sorry Cath, testosterone makes males men.  And with dropping T levels, as well as plenty of endogenous estrogen active molecules floating around (no, I am not speaking of phytoestrogens), men have higher levels of estrogen to go along with lower levels of testosterone.

Women entering the workforce also coincided with the US embarking on a purely floating currency (1971) which helped to reduce the strain caused by higher inflation.  As more workers entered the labor pool, the cost of each worker dropped (wages).

Now we are about to where we were when many women decided to work outside the home.  

Our family tried it, but my better half was not happy with someone else raising our kids.  Turns out, it is easier than most know to be a one income household.  That is the dirty little secret.  It is way more difficult trying to have a two income household with kids, as the amount of time required to schedule life becomes costlier than the second income.

As to the OP, I think that fewer men being employed is a direct result of the proportion of men who are or have been to prison, making them all but unemployable.


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 21:30 | 2777210 Cathartes Aura
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while I understand what your point is pods, re: testosterone makes "men" - I'm also of the opinion that culture makes the rules, defines men, and "men" enforce those rules.

does testosterone cause men to commit more violent crimes like murder?  or to rape?  or to be pedophiles?  because if that's the cause then there seems to be an easy solution, no?  if a culture wanted to be free of these heinous threats, surely something could be done to those who commit these crimes?  or to preempt the crime ^^

by the way, I obviously don't advocate anything of the sort - I'm merely pointing to the fact that testosterone levels vary with the individual - male and female - but if it IS what "makes a man" and a culture doesn't desire to tolerate high levels of violence, etc. then surely by now better solutions would have been discussed. . .

other cultures hide their women, and the men walk about holding hands - in amrka this would be considered homosexual behaviour - is this down to testosterone levels?  I believe it to be cultural conditioning that makes this tolerable, not hormones.

and of course, when middle class, educated women decided to "enter the workforce" (because the working class/poor women have always worked), capitalism benefits - more workers, lower wages, simple.  and women traditionally were always paid less, as culture says they're contributing to a man's household, who should be paid more as a "man" whether married, with kids, or not.  that's got zip to do with testosterone, it's social engineering - like getting the women to do "men's" work during WW2 - no testosterone needed, OMG, whoops!  get 'em back in the kitchen Betty Crocker!  voila - 50's housewives invented!

very simplistic, there's obviously much more behind this - but testosterone is present on a sliding scale in all humans, always has been, as has the other "sex" hormones.  and yes, it does make for the traits that are recognised as "male" - how they're used is the conditioning part though.

as to the prison making more men un-employable - I agree.  there are also more men doing substances, and working the system that direction for an "income" - none of this explains why women are getting degrees at a higher rate than men (and yes, "degrees" are easier now - still doesn't explain why men can't get an "easy" degree at a higher rate).



Mon, 09/10/2012 - 02:22 | 2777700 Angus McHugepenis
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Wow... can you possibly insult men more subtly as fucking human terrorists and women as the saviours?

You are obviously one angry bitch, and I have no problem saying it. Your semi-articulate diatribes are revealed for what they are... man-hating bullshit.

I love how you conveniently work in the words "murder" and "rape" while trying to explain your bullshit theories, which we all can see are about your anger towards men.

You are one of the most dangerous people on the loose. I see through your bullshit. You should be in prison before you hurt someone.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 02:34 | 2777706 4horse
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(because the working class/poor women have always worked)

merely paranthetical . . .


cause, in a palace revolt --like a paris catwalk-- who else gotz time to showup and showoff

they opinions . . . all got one, but some just don't stink

. . . thinking back to early 80s, and a scene off the park, where such revolutionary friedans, jongs and other ugly abzugs were being screamed at as working women come and go mostly black and spanish speaking of a gulag archipelago whose men were already casualties and they the walking wounded: nevertheless being imperially patronized by the lawrencians, freewives and offspring-- jenius! --of that upper-east-side's 0.01% . . .


screaming something along the lines of You can't have our men


who did. certainly not these hogs of the spotlight except perhaps, a quickie, for exotic shopping nevermind the totally fucked working girls, any, alla them, having already even then been had




the sadness . . .




come'n'gone, in the continuing silence

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 03:35 | 2777748 phyuckyiu
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With women in super hypergamy mode, men don't even need a job to get laid often. They just need to pull off some bullshit game to impress them for the evening. Since the state takes care of broke women, espeically broke women who procreate, the traits that men have been taught to be 'good fathers' will no longer get them laid in this hypergamy marketplace. What works is disrespect, aloofness, and more disrespect. So 20% of the male populace in game mode gets 80% of the available sex from the female population. And a fair portion of the rest end up on the chart above, with no motivation to go to college, or work. Why get a degree, it won't get you laid, it won't get you a job, and any assets you accrue will be taken post haste in a divorce the second she gets unhaaaaaapy. And if you make more than her, or have children, you're screwed indefinitely.

Of course the response will be some crap like 'Men need to get another reward system besides sex then'. Enjoy the downfall of the benefits empire.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 14:57 | 2779347 Cathartes Aura
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yours is a very honest man-post - in that you acknowledge all you want from a "woman" is fucking.

and so your counterpart is obviously a "woman" who realises this, and expects to be paid and/or compensated for being fucked.

logical, no?

Since the state takes care of broke women, espeically broke women who procreate, the traits that men have been taught to be 'good fathers' will no longer get them laid in this hypergamy marketplace

two points here:  the "state" does NOT take any more care of a childless "woman" than it does of a childless "man" - both, when single, are treated the same.  agreed that having children gives you more "benefits" - but a "man" can get these benefits equally should he be sole caretaker of the children. 

and believing that the "traits that men have been taught to be good fathers" are the same ones that get you "laid" may be part of your problem.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 19:21 | 2780106 phyuckyiu
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Sadly you have to make them want to have sex with you first before the concept of marriage can even take fruition. If you don't give your lady gina tingles, she will either cheat or leave you. This is the new law of the hypergamy culture. The Christian man that has been taught to do everything in his power to make his wife happy will be seen as weak, and cheated on or divorced. So yes, without good sex or getting 'laid', you are a bad father, since you will be single soon, which is a pretty good sign of a bad father. You cannot be a good father without being a good lover anymore, since you won't even BE a father. My dad would still be single today if these new rules were around when he was growing up.


On the other point, the state does offer subsidies to broke women, women get section 8 vouchers, especially a woman with kids, 1000x more often than a single man. She is more likely to receive SNAP and cash assistance, single or not. She is more likely to receive emergency living assistance, single or not. The minute she gets pregnant, she is allowed to receive unlimited dental/medical/extra cash assistance till the baby is born, then she can move to a different benefits program after the baby is born. To say that the man will receive these subsidies when he is the sole father is crap. Men receiving sole custody: 10%, joint custody: 20%, Women sole custody: 70%. I'd love to see some numbers on subsidies for this 10%. Sorry I call bullshit answer.


P.S. I am all for women in marriage declaring they get compensated for sex. They should add up how much free mortgage/car/credit card/Rosita to do housekeeping and childcare/misc expenses/usually tax payments are per week (they never spend their paychecks on those items), and how many times they would be required to fuck their husband per week, and come to a value per fuck. Then when everyone sees the real math, they can come to their own conclusions.


P.P.S. If you are over 50, your interaction with this new relationship paradigm might not be as intense.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 19:25 | 2780204 Cathartes Aura
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I'll start with your postscript, and say - go ahead, draw up a contract whereby you get X-sex, and the woman gets X-compensation, whether she "tingles" or not.  it's a suggestion modeled on prostitution, which a lot of marriages mimic anyhow - see if it gets you what you want, which appears to be just "a fuck"

you don't really seem to want to be in a "relationship" - or at least one that is defined by affection or caring or trust - I don't mean this in sarcasm, but in truth, from your words.  so why try to fit into a "traditional" type relationship, just shop around and negotiate your terms - if women are as you imagine them to be, the right compensation package with paperwork might work out better for you than pretending to want a "marriage" or anything else similar - stop trying to "pretend" your way into getting fucked, just be honest.

as to the benefits thing - half of what you describe as available to women is based on their being pregnant or with children.  single childless women don't get any more than single childless men - unless perhaps a profile as "battered wife" etc. is introduced, but even then, it's slim pickings for extras.  men not receiving custody of children is a whole different discussion I'll not pursue just now.  SNAP benefits are not gender specific, again, if there are more in the household (dependents), then more benefits.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 20:13 | 2780321 phyuckyiu
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I don't know the answer to restoring faith that marriage is a good deal for men. If I may be so bold, It doesn't seem you think it is a good deal either (pure conjecture). I think this chart is a solid representation of an entire sex responding to the pendulum of women now having the upper hand, and their response is to shut down. Men need to be motivated, either because they are dumb/simple/one track minded, or because that's how the genes work, whatever you want to call it. But the chances of them raising their own children are slim. The chances of them accumulating assets over a lifetime are slim. The chances of them relieiving sexual pressure without prostitution being legal, or them putting on some front to appeal to women's new re-found addiction to social status, are slim. You can hit men with the cattle prod all you want to man up, but the graph above doesn't lie. So either women re-learn how to motivate men (evolution has equipped you with much more guile than men, that was the tradeoff for muscles), or we all down the benefits empire tube together in a race to the bottom.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 20:55 | 2780416 Cathartes Aura
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"marriage" is a cultural construct, and the reasoning has varied over time.  used to be more like a business contract (in upper class households), where the woman ran the household, servants, kitchen staff, etc. which was just a big showy thing for the businessman - the woman being like a Barbie-doll to keep finely dressed, paraded as a wealth object (similar applies today in the wealthy homes).  the lower classes of course just got on with social agreements, but women weren't "allowed" such things as bank accounts, and never "credit" - those things were reserved for the husband/man.

so things are different now, marriage has been tarted up as a romantic endeavour, and sold to both parties as such, but for women doubly so.  also, with every "housing boom" there is always a "baby" correlation, so yummy-mommy types abound, and culture likes to imitate, mirror.  so many women want the package deal.

having said that - these are the obvious ones, they stand out, but they are rarely a majority.  you're right in that I am not attracted to the idea of marriage, because it comes with so much baggage.  if I want to be with a guy, we don't need legal agreements to define the relationship - there will be trust and respect and affection, else it's just not of interest, why bother?  and no need to divvy up the mutual spoils - I'm not into accumulation of stuffs, even "wealth" - I'd much rather keep all things in life simple.  I have my own.

but of course, I'm not "normal" - thankfully, lol.  I don't go to bars or clubs to hang out, so I only meet people in situations that are mutually of interest to me and "others" - like minds, if you will.  I say all this to show that there ARE people who don't adhere to cultural norms, and not every woman - or man - fits the stereotype.

for centuries women had to rely on men to exist - that's how cultures were set up.  in amrka, not so much any more, men don't get an automatic free access pass, and are entering new territory as to how things will continue to unfold.  the one thing you'll find though, is that women and men are tending towards their own company more and more, and those that truly desire to be with each other as pair bonding will continue to re-define the terms - or suffer.  decide what it is you really want, then see if you can find it.

best of luck (sincere).


Mon, 09/10/2012 - 21:26 | 2780483 phyuckyiu
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Women that don't want a man's balls are few and far between, I commend you. Cheers.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:01 | 2778026 pods
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I would not go so far as to say that testosterone causes men to commit violent crimes, but it certainly is part of the reason.  Hormones are very powerful chemicals that can act on the body at almost lightning speed.  If you have ever read some of the side effects of taking anabolic steroids, which mimic testosterone, you will see that there is a high correlation between free testosterone (or a derivative) and agitation, violence, etc.  So much so that there is common sayings pertaining to this:  Roid Rage.

As to a solution, there have been many documented instances of chemical or surgical castration to try and limit the behavior of perpetrators.  I have not really researched this much, but it seems valid.  

As to the specific crimes you have stated, they all involve forcing your will (and body) upon another without permission.  All violent crimes, and yes, sorry to say, are more likely to be carried out by men.

It seems to me that an easy correlation can be made between levels of hormones that increase violent behavior and said violent behavior.  

But humans are also given the ability to think, and your mind can overcome these hormonal effects.  So you cannot prove or show causality by simply looking at hormone levels.  Culture and morals go a long way in this regard.  Violent culture and high T levels are a recipe for a short, violent life.

I would say the degree issue is different, but for me, college was difficult. Not in the material, but the structure.  Same thing with school before it. I am not one for imposed rules or too much structure.  Much like a jackass in that regard.  :)


Mon, 09/10/2012 - 15:09 | 2779399 Cathartes Aura
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thanks for taking the time to actually read what I wrote, and for having a mind that could comprehend my points raised. . .

I don't believe that testosterone causes violent crime, although I do recognise high levels contribute to "anger management" issues.  we live in a culture that encourages rage, therefore there will be more "acting out" incidents, resulting in higher rates of incarceration, and more cultural "feedback" on the reasons.

As to the specific crimes you have stated, they all involve forcing your will (and body) upon another without permission.  All violent crimes, and yes, sorry to say, are more likely to be carried out by men.

It seems to me that an easy correlation can be made between levels of hormones that increase violent behavior and said violent behavior.

acknowledging this, and also realising that incarceration is rampant in amrka, AND profitable starts to connect dots.  angry non-rational thinkers also make for a voluntary military that works for them.

and of course, the "war between the sexes" is a perfect distraction for those who work behind the curtain, in that it keeps the hatred, resentment, anger, bitterness, and violence flowing. . . also feeds the lawyers, courts, etc. 

it's really just the perfect set-up they have going - and most participate voluntarily. . .

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 19:40 | 2780229 phyuckyiu
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Wow nice, so those who didn't address your points about testosterone directly, and went in different directions than you will allow (sorry didn't see those rules), are chided as having difficulty in reading comprehension (in italics no less, for that extra diss), and then for good measure, not being mature enough to only deal with the topic you raised. Then we get a lecture about sexism (not feminism of course) being a catalyst for the NWO. After being insulted for having a male mind. The Hamsterbation continues.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 21:11 | 2780442 Cathartes Aura
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you're pretty raw/touchy dude, so it's doubtful anything I'm going to say will please you - my comments to pods I dare say were understood by him, and it was pods that I replied to originally, when he wrote that men are defined by testosterone.  if you care to read the upthread posts again, you may see this. . .

"those who didn't address" my "points about testosterone directly" and instead chose to respond with insults, DO have reading comprehension difficulties, but hey, whatever - it's ZH, and I've had all these interactions, and more, here before. 

you know squat about "feminism" and most likely very little about "sexism" - and you've yet to see my "lectures" on either topic, for which you can say "PHEW!" 

I'm willing to engage thoughtful posters, and occasionally rude fuckers - depending on my whims.  obviously, the words used for each will vary wildly. . .

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 23:46 | 2793453 WillyGroper
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Women have not & cannot be like men. It's a yin/yang thang. Both need to work to provide for basic necessities, not IShit. Many have dumped the corporate gulag for what is truly important.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:32 | 2776466 phat ho
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it's sort of like madd; mothers against drunk drivers....... in retaliation there is damm; drivers against madd mothers   :-)

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:32 | 2776468 phat ho
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ddamm I should say

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:32 | 2776469 phat ho
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drunk drivers against madd mothers

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:40 | 2776490 Shell Game
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Having phun?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:34 | 2776474 phat ho
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what I'm trying to say is there is a feminine logic at work here that is making living as a guy shitty. Anybody ever see the movie "paint your wagon" might relate to what I'm getting at here

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:35 | 2776805 Cathartes Aura
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lol, the irony of you referring to a Hollywood movie to make your point is precious!

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:44 | 2776913 Dave Thomas
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And that Hollywood movie being "Paint your Wagon" no less vaunts it into the hights of zanyness!

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:42 | 2776479 bob_dabolina
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I don't want to come off as misogynistic but in my opinion women shouldn't have a large involvement in the workforce. This doesn't come from the idea that women are not qualified or anything like that.

Let's take a woman who spends all of this time going to college and ends up getting some low paying job because the economy sucks. Well she'll at some point get into a managerial position of some kind. But let's be honest, women have a biological clock. I think it's somewhere between 25 and early 30's where they want to have a kid. Well with a divorce rate of over 50% and ever more increasing single mothers, that leaves quite a burden. Many women (with husbands) leave the workforce to take of their children while the husband (or father) provides the financial support. I've met many single mothers who struggle something fierce balancing working/childcare (and in many cases the father is replaced with government assistance). And also let's be honest, while men can be great parents, there's is nothing that can compare to a woman nurturing her child.

So all of this time and money on education is invested getting a woman to a successful position which is around the time she wants to have a child and leave the work force. There could have been a man with equal merits that could have had the same job but stuck with it while his wife could support the child at home.

I guess this comes down to my belief that the father is the band that holds the family together from a financial standpoint and the woman is the band that holds the family together, but both work together in symphony to raise a family.

However, we live in bass ackwards world where women want to be rifleman on the front line of combat, and men want to be nurses so what the fuck do I know?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:50 | 2776500 moonstears
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Hey, Bob. The guy who wrote/directed "Trading Places"(Aaron Russo) said the Rocknfellows wanted it that way in the 1960s, funding women's lib, so he said, Women can work /be liberated/pay taxes, too, and all. Two incomes per family, thus dual taxation, or free divorced hippy pussy, win/win. Of course he died shortly after divulging that, interestingly. Video's still floating around, he was a "tin foiler", some would say!

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:45 | 2776507 Gully Foyle
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I think you missed the point that women have been sold the idea they can have it all, career and children.

Virtually every place staffed by women either has daycare or can directed the career oriented woman toward a daycare center.

Women have created quite the niche in modern society, fuck dude it's called "Mommy and Me". There is no daddy and me.

Daddies get stripper daughters. You ever hear of a stripper with Mommy issues?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:04 | 2776553 WillyGroper
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 women have been sold the idea they can have it all, career and children.

Thank u Gloria. They can, just not all at the same time as some aspect will always be placed on the back burner. Couple that with being sandwiched between kids & elderly parents, and all of it simply cannot be done. 

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:48 | 2776514 Cathartes Aura
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so bobby, how do you propose "women" who don't want to birth families, or be dependent on a man's income (so popular with the whining here), support themselves? 

you lads really have such sad taste in "women" - from most of your posts, you've chosen some real cultural imbibers to enhance your lives. . .

which is weird, because you DO have a choice - but then so do the females who hold their independence dear. . . I'm guessing you've not been able to attract any of them.

(clue:  if you believe the only bait you need is $$, then the only catch you'll get is one who loves it)

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:01 | 2776542 bob_dabolina
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I obviously can't write a dissertation style response to your reply on every single situation (which I could if I were so inclined)

I never said women should NOT be in the workforce. I'm a strong proponent of women working, I know many successful, capable, and self-reliant women and I respect them highly. 

If women want to be single mothers I'm not against the choice for them to do so. I don't find it to be the best way for a working mother to raise a child but to each his/her own. It's no wonder to me there is such a high reliance on government welfare...women are the largest recipients of food stamps by percentage of the population, perhaps there is a reason for that. It should be easy for a single mother as a waitress to support her child.

I would guess someone of your political persuasion (based on your response) believes the government replacing the role of a father is a good thing.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:42 | 2776813 Cathartes Aura
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right over your head - I'm talking about females who don't WANT to be "mothers" or "wives" or be dependent on .gov handouts to survive.

females who work for themselves - those rare females who don't do cultural memes that don't appeal to them.

as to my "politcal persuasion" - I've yet to be persuaded towards any political groups beyond independence of thought and body.

not my down arrow, for the record.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:18 | 2776858 bob_dabolina
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Do you have a child, or wish to have one at some point in the future?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 21:44 | 2777237 Cathartes Aura
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I don't, and no, I won't.

I knew very early on that traditional marriage, babies, house-keeping, etc. wasn't for me.

I preferred to travel, explore other countries, earn my own living, freedom.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 21:59 | 2777267 bob_dabolina
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+1 to you

When you are on your deathbed, you will be alone. 

You will die cold and alone with no one by your side. I respect that courage.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 01:19 | 2777653 Cathartes Aura
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oh my, such drama.

we all die alone, and having children in the vain hope of getting 'em to hold your hand & keep it warm won't make a damn bit of difference in your passing.

but it's cute and sentimental of you to throw it out there.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 01:45 | 2777665 Angus McHugepenis
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Speaking of drama, you seem to put forth a great deal of anger towards men. If the situation was reversed, you'd have armed .gov thugs kicking your door down claiming you're a threat to society. But you're a female, so you get a pass. The Rockefellers would be proud of you.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 14:47 | 2779317 Cathartes Aura
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pot, kettle.

you're hilarious, from your moniker to your outrage - your posts exhibit more "rage" towards "women" than I've ever had towards "men"

for the record, my closest friends have always been male, and still are to this day.

Sat, 09/15/2012 - 19:04 | 2799423 Angus McHugepenis
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Yeah, right... My outrage is directed to idiots regardless of gender. Oh, and "for the record" (as unproven a claim as yours), I can also say that most of my closest friends are female, and still are to this day. Face it, you're a man-hater... plain and simple. Case closed.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:28 | 2776877 ClassicalLib17
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@Cathartes Aura,  you independent broads can do what ever you want,  just don't try carpentry.  You have no place there.  The only women in my union who are gainfully employed are placed on gov't projects because they want to make things more equal.  Pulling your own weight doesn't enter into the equation for the statists.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 18:51 | 2776927 Angus McHugepenis
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Speaking of women and carpentry, there is a YWCA in my town that has a prominent sign outside stating they train women for non-traditional roles (carpentry is the specialty). I've been driving by that place for over 5 years, and only recently this year have they displayed a finished project in their parking lot... a 6'x8' shed with faux log siding and a shingled roof on it. On another "drive-by" several of the carpentry candidates were outside having a cigarette. Not a single one weighed less than 200 lbs and would never be hired or considered for a serious construction job site. It's just another .gov way of funding welfare queens that have no intention of ever using whatever skills they might learn.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 19:25 | 2776974 ClassicalLib17
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The fat broad in my local has worked on a long term gov't project that is nearing completion.  I would describe her as just shy of morbidly obese.  Her career is almost over.  I don't think carpentry is suitable for even a semi-muscular dyke.  Womens brains are just not wired to handle the intricacies of carpentry,  nor is their physical stamina up to the task.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 20:09 | 2777062 Angus McHugepenis
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A guy I know applied as a courier driver for Canada Post back in 2011. During part of the "interview" process, all the candidates (about 20 of them) were made to stand in a line, side by side, as some overweight fat dyke went down the line berating each potential hiree. When she(?) got to my buddy she said, "You're not fit to work here" in a very loud voice, then moved on to the next victim.

Just imagine a MAN supervisor screaming that at a WOMAN hiree! It would make front page fucking news. My buddy is an able-bodied, articulate man. I'll tell you about the newest hiree at Canada Post who just delivered our mail last week. I had to help him read the addreses on the envelopes and handed back the ones that didn't belong to us. He was a very polite and sincere man, but I have no idea how the government deemed him fit to deliver the mail (when my buddy was not), since he could barely read and was obviously mentally challenged. It pained me to watch him drive out of our parking lot... literally an accident waiting to happen.


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 21:59 | 2777255 Cathartes Aura
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you're hilarious - and outdated.  I know many females who can build - it's really not so fucking hard as you guys like to think.

must say, I prefer cob to standard wooden structures - more creative design, such as Hundertwasser, and others work towards,

but hey, you protect your territory dude!  manly!

and the rest of you citing "fat dykes" encroaching your jawb-space - like "obese" construction workers, and road workers, and heavy equipment operators, ETC. don't come in the "man" category - hahahh. . .

*plumber's crack*

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 16:30 | 2776702 resurger
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"Paradise lies under the feets of mothers"

+1 bob-D

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:37 | 2776480 phat ho
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bottom of the barrel pickles shouldn't be allowed to vote, just sayin


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 15:48 | 2776644 boogerbently
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Anyone NOT paying taxes, or on any "public assistance"  shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 20:02 | 2777025 pods
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I don't give a shit who they allow to vote, I personally think anyone within a jurisdiction should be able to vote if so inclined.

My problem is that those voted into office should hold no power to do anything that each individual cannot do.

Government is a creation, and should ALWAYS remain a servant to the people.

Take away the power that government usurped, and it really matters little as to who occupies the office.


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:37 | 2776483 moonstears
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Well, a vote for Obama's a vote for the banks. A vote for Mitt is a vote, for business(?). Alfred E. Neuman it is, AGAIN!

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 19:30 | 2776983 Vendetta
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a vote for Obama is a vote for Blankfein and Dimon, a vote for Mitt is a vote for vulture capitalism, blankfein, and dimon.  happy voting Amerika

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 19:46 | 2777028 pods
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Might I add that a vote WITHIN the system is a vote FOR the system.


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:39 | 2776486 Wakanda
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Barry can't figure out if he wants to castrate men or fuck them, so he's doing both at the same time.


Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:39 | 2776489 luna_man
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Men, get out the way!...Let that women show you how it's done!


Based on the women I have known, money was made to spend...Tomorrow, will take care of itself!

need more job's / more credit...we'll bring this country back

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:40 | 2776492 ebworthen
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Men are just sperm donors or warm blooded dildos anymore.

Still useful for cannon fodder too, apparently.

The Hegemony of the Vagina marches on.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 17:37 | 2776809 Angus McHugepenis
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Is that you, Hillary / Michelle?

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 14:40 | 2776493 phat ho
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Sooooo, love is stronger than gov't.

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